Comments on: Is the UFC going to lose out on Fedor? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 24 May 2012 21:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1685 Matt Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:38:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1685 Well, I think that the biggest problem here is Dana White's stupidity as far as building up fighters goes... Don't get me wrong, it worked at first when the UFC was small. He built Liddell's stock up enough amongst the retarted fans (yes liddell fans are retarted, he's a pussy counterpuncher that runs away. And building fighters up is exactly why he can't come to terms with Fedor. Fedor is a Sambo fighter... All he wants to do is fight in Sambo tournaments and represent Russia, because he's proud of his country and their success w/ Sambo. But Dana White is being a big bitch and crying about it... Dana White doesn't want this to happen for 2 reasons: #1 - He's worried that Fedor will get hurt. A legit concern, but fighters can get injured in training or DRIVING A MOTORCYCLE (cough Mir cough). I mean, Sambo is safer for Fedor than training for MMA imo, he has headgear and all. #2 - This is the big one, which is stupid, because it's NOT a legit worry. Dana is worried that he'll have Fedor as the UFC champ and then someone beats him in a Sambo match. He feels that this will destroy his investment on Fedor. *Side note* By the way, this is stupid because it's a cross sport comparison, a mistake that only an amateur fan (yes, White is an AMATEUR MMA fan, i said it). That's like having a UFC fighter who comes from kickboxing lose a kickboxing match, or a UFC fighter that comes from brazilian jiu-jitsu lose a grappling match.... There are ALWAYS going to be people better than you in other sports. I wouldnt' be surprised if a Sambo fighter that's better than Fedor came along and beat him. I mean, there's a Gi in sambo for one... Fedor fights w/o a Gi in 90% of his fights... Naturally someone who fights with a Gi in 100% of their fights is going to have an edge there. Plus, MMA is WAY higher of a difficulty calibre than MMA. Someone who could compete with Fedor in sambo would get tooled in under a minute with him in MMA. Because of this, Dana white is a moron. And there in lies the problem with Dana White that I fear coming.... He tries to build fighters up. In such an upredictable sport, you can't build up any one fighter. Look what happened to Cro Cop when White tried to build CC vs Couture...? Cro Cop got KTFO by Gonzaga... Liddell vs Jackson? His paper champ finally lost (wow, Liddell knocked out Couture twice who was disheartened with his life at the time). Even St. Pierre lost to Serra.. All this stuff just proves that you CANNOT build fighters up. Dana White has to give up this shit about controlling fighters and building their reputations up.... It's honestly starting to bug me. Let the fighters do their business in the Octagon for christ sake. Well, I think that the biggest problem here is Dana White’s stupidity as far as building up fighters goes…

Don’t get me wrong, it worked at first when the UFC was small. He built Liddell’s stock up enough amongst the retarted fans (yes liddell fans are retarted, he’s a pussy counterpuncher that runs away.

And building fighters up is exactly why he can’t come to terms with Fedor. Fedor is a Sambo fighter… All he wants to do is fight in Sambo tournaments and represent Russia, because he’s proud of his country and their success w/ Sambo.

But Dana White is being a big bitch and crying about it… Dana White doesn’t want this to happen for 2 reasons:

#1 – He’s worried that Fedor will get hurt. A legit concern, but fighters can get injured in training or DRIVING A MOTORCYCLE (cough Mir cough). I mean, Sambo is safer for Fedor than training for MMA imo, he has headgear and all.

#2 – This is the big one, which is stupid, because it’s NOT a legit worry. Dana is worried that he’ll have Fedor as the UFC champ and then someone beats him in a Sambo match. He feels that this will destroy his investment on Fedor.

*Side note* By the way, this is stupid because it’s a cross sport comparison, a mistake that only an amateur fan (yes, White is an AMATEUR MMA fan, i said it). That’s like having a UFC fighter who comes from kickboxing lose a kickboxing match, or a UFC fighter that comes from brazilian jiu-jitsu lose a grappling match….

There are ALWAYS going to be people better than you in other sports. I wouldnt’ be surprised if a Sambo fighter that’s better than Fedor came along and beat him. I mean, there’s a Gi in sambo for one… Fedor fights w/o a Gi in 90% of his fights… Naturally someone who fights with a Gi in 100% of their fights is going to have an edge there. Plus, MMA is WAY higher of a difficulty calibre than MMA. Someone who could compete with Fedor in sambo would get tooled in under a minute with him in MMA. Because of this, Dana white is a moron.

And there in lies the problem with Dana White that I fear coming…. He tries to build fighters up. In such an upredictable sport, you can’t build up any one fighter.

Look what happened to Cro Cop when White tried to build CC vs Couture…? Cro Cop got KTFO by Gonzaga…

Liddell vs Jackson? His paper champ finally lost (wow, Liddell knocked out Couture twice who was disheartened with his life at the time).

Even St. Pierre lost to Serra..

All this stuff just proves that you CANNOT build fighters up. Dana White has to give up this shit about controlling fighters and building their reputations up…. It’s honestly starting to bug me.

Let the fighters do their business in the Octagon for christ sake.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Ali]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1014 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:31:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1014 Dear Mr. White, You are the king of MMA at this point. But the easiest way to lose respect for yourself will be to lose fighters like Fedor Emelyanenko. The whole world wants to see this man fight in the UFC. His demands are not unreasonable. Dear Mr. White,

You are the king of MMA at this point. But the easiest way to lose respect for yourself will be to lose fighters like Fedor Emelyanenko.

The whole world wants to see this man fight in the UFC. His demands are not unreasonable.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Sam Caplan]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1013 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:52:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1013 Chi: Welcome to Russia! Chi:

Welcome to Russia!

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]]> By: <![CDATA[GameCritics.com]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:46:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1012 Does anyone seem to notice that Fedor's manager is not acting in the best interest of his client? He's instead concerned about bringing more events to Russia and getting more fights for Red Devil fighters, which in essence makes him richer, but does nothing for Fedor. This reeks of corruption. Does anyone seem to notice that Fedor’s manager is not acting in the best interest of his client? He’s instead concerned about bringing more events to Russia and getting more fights for Red Devil fighters, which in essence makes him richer, but does nothing for Fedor. This reeks of corruption.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[garth]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1011 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:49:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1011 i think the point is that Fedor is the best, and pretty much every fan above casual knows that. so to have all the best fighters except for that actual #1...well, that's just going to cause some serious cognitive dissonance. a lot of "yeahbuts". I mean, can we really, honestly say "this guy is the best HW in the world", whoever has the UFC HW belt, if he hasn't fought Fedor? I don't think so. Fedor is the yardstick. Go back and watch him nearly get killed by randleman then beat him...watch him get rocked by fujita then beat him too. look at his loss! hah! Fedor is the proof. i think the point is that Fedor is the best, and pretty much every fan above casual knows that. so to have all the best fighters except for that actual #1…well, that’s just going to cause some serious cognitive dissonance. a lot of “yeahbuts”. I mean, can we really, honestly say “this guy is the best HW in the world”, whoever has the UFC HW belt, if he hasn’t fought Fedor? I don’t think so. Fedor is the yardstick. Go back and watch him nearly get killed by randleman then beat him…watch him get rocked by fujita then beat him too. look at his loss! hah!
Fedor is the proof.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[MoreThanUFC]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1010 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:47:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1010 A very similiar thing happened in Nascar when Tony Stewart renegotiated his extension. As a pure racer, he still wanted to compete in Midgets, Silver Crown, etc and his team owners werent happy about it. So, he told them you take back a million ( 6 instead of 7 per year ) and let me race. It worked. Do the same with Fedor... A very similiar thing happened in Nascar when Tony Stewart renegotiated his extension. As a pure racer, he still wanted to compete in Midgets, Silver Crown, etc and his team owners werent happy about it. So, he told them you take back a million ( 6 instead of 7 per year ) and let me race. It worked. Do the same with Fedor…

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Zack]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1008 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:18:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1008 Call me totally nuts, but I think Fedor's legacy will lose out more than the UFC. Obviously, as hardcore fans, we all lose, but the UFC HW division is pretty deep right now, and could get deeper if Chuck moves up for the last fights of his career - ie, the HW division isn't lacking PPV and gate draws. Fedor's rep was built outside the US and he doesn't speak English, so I wonder if stardom in the US of a Russian is really that much of a lock? I think the first priority for UFC is getting Denis Kang at 185 and Hendo back at 185 to give that division some serious contenders. I'd also prioritize getting Aoki and Gomi at 155 over getting Fedor. My 2 cents. Call me totally nuts, but I think Fedor’s legacy will lose out more than the UFC. Obviously, as hardcore fans, we all lose, but the UFC HW division is pretty deep right now, and could get deeper if Chuck moves up for the last fights of his career – ie, the HW division isn’t lacking PPV and gate draws. Fedor’s rep was built outside the US and he doesn’t speak English, so I wonder if stardom in the US of a Russian is really that much of a lock?

I think the first priority for UFC is getting Denis Kang at 185 and Hendo back at 185 to give that division some serious contenders.

I’d also prioritize getting Aoki and Gomi at 155 over getting Fedor.

My 2 cents.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Asa]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/07/27/is-the-ufc-going-to-lose-out-on-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-1009 Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:41:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=410#comment-1009 <strong>Is the UFC going to lose out on Fedor?</strong> It seems that way. Dana seems to have gotten to the same point as Vince in thinking that the company is more important than the fighters. That's something that was somewhat useful in the early stages of public acceptance, but now it's going to tank our sport. If Dana won't let Fedor fight under his terms, he'll have ruined the chance to come through on his one primary promise of delivering the best fighters in the best fights. Dana's gonna find out eventually that the UFC will never be considered the best until they have the best fighters. Not having Fedor just makes your entire HW division look like the kiddie table. Is the UFC going to lose out on Fedor?

It seems that way. Dana seems to have gotten to the same point as Vince in thinking that the company is more important than the fighters. That’s something that was somewhat useful in the early stages of public acceptance, but now it’s going to tank our sport. If Dana won’t let Fedor fight under his terms, he’ll have ruined the chance to come through on his one primary promise of delivering the best fighters in the best fights.

Dana’s gonna find out eventually that the UFC will never be considered the best until they have the best fighters. Not having Fedor just makes your entire HW division look like the kiddie table.

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