Comments on: Why Josh Koscheck will beat Georges St. Pierre http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 24 May 2012 21:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: nathan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-2066 nathan Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:18:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-2066 Oh and I have to give Kos some credit, even though he actually did much worse than I thought he would, and was surprised how easily gsp got him down and how difficult it was for kos to get him down. I was very impressed with his guard and his submission defense, also avoiding the ground and pound, gsp is very dangerous here and kos did a great job of avoiding a fight ending strike. Kos is a good fighter but think he's a bit overrated and has never fought a great wrestler like gsp before, and is the reason he looked so good against strikers and submissionist, hope he learned a little humility and comes back stronger. Oh and I have to give Kos some credit, even though he actually did much worse than I thought he would, and was surprised how easily gsp got him down and how difficult it was for kos to get him down. I was very impressed with his guard and his submission defense, also avoiding the ground and pound, gsp is very dangerous here and kos did a great job of avoiding a fight ending strike. Kos is a good fighter but think he’s a bit overrated and has never fought a great wrestler like gsp before, and is the reason he looked so good against strikers and submissionist, hope he learned a little humility and comes back stronger.

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]]> By: nathan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-2064 nathan Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:07:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-2064 First and foremost GSP CLEARLY won rounds 2 and 3 against Penn and would have won round 1 too if it wasn't for the inadvertant poke in the eye which caused him to see double the entire round and enabled Penn to break his nose(why most don't get this baffels me). Gsp would have made Penn like like crap if the eye poke didn't happen and to me it was so obvious gsp was the superior striker, penn just went crazy and was swinging wildly(got the eye poke, then broke the nose of a semi blinded gsp). Had to get that out, and now on to Koscheck.....very humiliating fight for him, especially round 2, gsp sat on his head and made him look terrible, I would actually give that round 10-8 in gsp's favor. Gsp controlled about 90 percent of that fight how two judges scored it 29-28 is beyond me I would give it 30-26, first round close but gsp's 10-9, second totally domination 10-8 gsp, third, my favorite round gsp showed amazing take down defense and displayed obviously superior stand up and I'd give it 10-9 very dominating round but not quite a 10-8. My two cents. First and foremost GSP CLEARLY won rounds 2 and 3 against Penn and would have won round 1 too if it wasn’t for the inadvertant poke in the eye which caused him to see double the entire round and enabled Penn to break his nose(why most don’t get this baffels me). Gsp would have made Penn like like crap if the eye poke didn’t happen and to me it was so obvious gsp was the superior striker, penn just went crazy and was swinging wildly(got the eye poke, then broke the nose of a semi blinded gsp). Had to get that out, and now on to Koscheck…..very humiliating fight for him, especially round 2, gsp sat on his head and made him look terrible, I would actually give that round 10-8 in gsp’s favor. Gsp controlled about 90 percent of that fight how two judges scored it 29-28 is beyond me I would give it 30-26, first round close but gsp’s 10-9, second totally domination 10-8 gsp, third, my favorite round gsp showed amazing take down defense and displayed obviously superior stand up and I’d give it 10-9 very dominating round but not quite a 10-8. My two cents.

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]]> By: Dana http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1778 Dana Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:27:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1778 I guess you're eating your words now. I knew Josh didn't have what it takes. You can't harp on GSP for having a weak mind. Some things need to be learned and it's seems he's learned how to control his metal game now. What did Josh really have to defeat GSP? Georges shot right through Josh like it was nothing. I smiled the whole damn fight and I love it. Who is going to get in his way now? I guess you’re eating your words now. I knew Josh didn’t have what it takes. You can’t harp on GSP for having a weak mind. Some things need to be learned and it’s seems he’s learned how to control his metal game now. What did Josh really have to defeat GSP? Georges shot right through Josh like it was nothing. I smiled the whole damn fight and I love it. Who is going to get in his way now?

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]]> By: Danny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1687 Danny Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:01:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1687 Time for you to check your notes beacause Kos just got his face handed to him. Koscheck is so overated. Kos should have used his patented blanket/dead whale move to dominate GSP. Kos was clearly out of his league and needed to be humbled large. Thank you GSP. The UFC world owes you big for putting the little baby Kos to bed. Time for you to check your notes beacause Kos just got his face handed to him. Koscheck is so overated. Kos should have used his patented blanket/dead whale move to dominate GSP. Kos was clearly out of his league and needed to be humbled large. Thank you GSP. The UFC world owes you big for putting the little baby Kos to bed.

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]]> By: Danny http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1686 Danny Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:56:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1686 Time for you to check your notesbeacause Kos just got his face handed to him. Koscheck is so overated. Kos should have used his patented blanket/dead whale move dominate GSP. Time for you to check your notesbeacause Kos just got his face handed to him. Koscheck is so overated. Kos should have used his patented blanket/dead whale move dominate GSP.

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]]> By: morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1652 morgan Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:20:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1652 ummmm ok gsp beat bj,, and he's gonna make koscheck look dumb ummmm ok gsp beat bj,, and he’s gonna make koscheck look dumb

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]]> By: pgam http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1634 pgam Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:25:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1634 no offence, i disagree. this is WEAK: If he was nervous for Serra then don’t you think he might be scared shitless of Koscheck, a fighter who has an inane ability of making good fighters look bad? first of all GSP wasn't in form, serra was, GSP he got tagged. KOS making good fighters look bad? like who? sanchez didn't look like sanchez, and the rest i'd call good - but not elite. no offence,
i disagree.
this is WEAK:
If he was nervous for Serra then don’t you think he might be scared shitless of Koscheck, a fighter who has an inane ability of making good fighters look bad?

first of all GSP wasn’t in form, serra was, GSP he got tagged.
KOS making good fighters look bad? like who?
sanchez didn’t look like sanchez, and the rest i’d call good – but not elite.

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]]> By: MMABloggen » Blog Archive » Inför UFC 74 - GSP vs Kos http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1630 MMABloggen » Blog Archive » Inför UFC 74 - GSP vs Kos Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:03:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1630 [...] upprört känslor och Luke Thomas på BloodyElbow som förutspår vinst för GSP har kolliderat med Sam Caplan på Five Ounces of Pain som anser att Kos kommer att vinna. Jag rekomenderar att ni läser båda deras utomordentliga [...] [...] upprört känslor och Luke Thomas på BloodyElbow som förutspår vinst för GSP har kolliderat med Sam Caplan på Five Ounces of Pain som anser att Kos kommer att vinna. Jag rekomenderar att ni läser båda deras utomordentliga [...]

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]]> By: Paul Carpentier http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1560 Paul Carpentier Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:57:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1560 And B.J Penn , Trigg, Hughes , sherk, couldn'T take st-pierre down. And you think Kos will?...euh....no And B.J Penn , Trigg, Hughes , sherk, couldn’T take st-pierre down. And you think Kos will?…euh….no

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]]> By: Paul Carpentier http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 Paul Carpentier Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:56:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1559 I respect your opinion. But GSP never wanted to quit against BJ. Let alone, this fight showed his character. GSP is seeing a sport psycologist after his loss. He changed his entourage for management. He's never been as ready. No excuse. He will TKO kos in the first round. Easy bet on sportbooks. St-pierre is scared of no one. Losing don'T mean you were scared. He got caught against serra and it's his fault. He knows. HE won'T do that mistake twice. Mark my words. He'll get the belt back in 2 fights. I respect your opinion. But GSP never wanted to quit against BJ. Let alone, this fight showed his character. GSP is seeing a sport psycologist after his loss. He changed his entourage for management. He’s never been as ready. No excuse. He will TKO kos in the first round. Easy bet on sportbooks. St-pierre is scared of no one. Losing don’T mean you were scared. He got caught against serra and it’s his fault. He knows. HE won’T do that mistake twice. Mark my words. He’ll get the belt back in 2 fights.

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]]> By: Five Ounces of Pain | Random Rant: More thoughts on Koscheck vs. GSP http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1516 Five Ounces of Pain | Random Rant: More thoughts on Koscheck vs. GSP Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:38:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1516 [...] my original rant about why I think Koscheck will beat GSP, just click here. I also recommend you check out Luke Thomas’ response to my argument by clicking [...] [...] my original rant about why I think Koscheck will beat GSP, just click here. I also recommend you check out Luke Thomas’ response to my argument by clicking [...]

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]]> By: <![CDATA[rick22]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1296 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:46:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1296 The reason I believe GSP lost to Matt Serra, is because of conflicting thoughts about fighting someone he considers a friend. When you get coflicting thoughts, you hesitate. Its one of the flaws of being a nice guy. But when you get back on the horse, your getting on with a madman attitude. With all of GSP's skills and strength, he bis as powerful as Matt Hughes - if not more so, i believe that he will demolish Koscheck in the first round. Koscheck could never match his strength. The reason I believe GSP lost to Matt Serra, is because of conflicting thoughts about fighting someone he considers a friend. When you get coflicting thoughts, you hesitate. Its one of the flaws of being a nice guy. But when you get back on the horse, your getting on with a madman attitude.
With all of GSP’s skills and strength, he bis as powerful as Matt Hughes – if not more so, i believe that he will demolish Koscheck in the first round. Koscheck could never match his strength.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Chris]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1295 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:53:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1295 You are not giving GSP enough credit for: A: his sprawl. Hughes couldn't get him down. B: the fact that he is an AMAZING wrestler. He has an ADCC victory over the only man to be ranked HIGHER than Koschek in the NCAA. And it was a 15 min "gut-it-out" unanimous decision victory. Look what he did to Trigg. GSP will not let Kos get him down, and if he does, GSP will get out or reverse position on Kos. You are not giving GSP enough credit for:

A: his sprawl. Hughes couldn’t get him down.

B: the fact that he is an AMAZING wrestler. He has an ADCC victory over the only man to be ranked HIGHER than Koschek in the NCAA. And it was a 15 min “gut-it-out” unanimous decision victory. Look what he did to Trigg.

GSP will not let Kos get him down, and if he does, GSP will get out or reverse position on Kos.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[bubbafat]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:03:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1294 I keep hearing about Georges being shaken up in the first round against Penn and walkin' to the wrong corner. Did you guys notice the thumb in the eye or what. He couldn't see. I'm not sayin' it was intentional but let's not question the guys heart when he's got no depth perception. As for what his corner was saying btween rounds, I speak a little french but couldn't quite hear what they were saying. I think Rogan was speculating. Kos was 43?-0 in college wrestling so he can put GSP on his back, but let's not forget Georges trains with the Canadian National wrestling team consistantly with some of the TOP ranked wrestlers in the world so he can do the same to Kos. This is a tough fight to call so I won't. -GSP FAN I keep hearing about Georges being shaken up in the first round against Penn and walkin’ to the wrong corner. Did you guys notice the thumb in the eye or what. He couldn’t see. I’m not sayin’ it was intentional but let’s not question the guys heart when he’s got no depth perception. As for what his corner was saying btween rounds, I speak a little french but couldn’t quite hear what they were saying. I think Rogan was speculating.

Kos was 43?-0 in college wrestling so he can put GSP on his back, but let’s not forget Georges trains with the Canadian National wrestling team consistantly with some of the TOP ranked wrestlers in the world so he can do the same to Kos. This is a tough fight to call so I won’t. -GSP FAN

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Gym Rat]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:21:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1274 For GSP, the gameplan is simple: don’t let Koscheck take him down. Your whole argument is based on this assumption. Yes, GSP tries to defend the takedown for three rounds, Kos will eventually get on top and score some LnP points. However this won't happen. St-Pierre won't go on full offense (i.e.: striking and defending takedowns). He HAS to win this fight or his career is in trouble. He probably doesn't care about a spectacular KO. The fighters will stand up and set up a takedown with strikes. In all likelyhood, St-Pierre will hit him first and take him down. Then you will see blood. What's Kos gonna do from his back? For GSP, the gameplan is simple: don’t let Koscheck take him down.

Your whole argument is based on this assumption. Yes, GSP tries to defend the takedown for three rounds, Kos will eventually get on top and score some LnP points.

However this won’t happen. St-Pierre won’t go on full offense (i.e.: striking and defending takedowns). He HAS to win this fight or his career is in trouble. He probably doesn’t care about a spectacular KO. The fighters will stand up and set up a takedown with strikes. In all likelyhood, St-Pierre will hit him first and take him down. Then you will see blood. What’s Kos gonna do from his back?

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Why Josh Koscheck will beat GSP according to Fiveouncesofpain.com - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1275 Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:25:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1275 [...] the Sanchez/Koscheck fight. I like his take and figured it could make for a good discussion. Source:Why Josh Koscheck will beat Georges St. Pierre ? Five Ounces of Pain! Why Josh Koscheck will beat Georges St. Pierre August 9th, 2007 by Sam Caplan The headline says it [...] [...] the Sanchez/Koscheck fight. I like his take and figured it could make for a good discussion. Source:Why Josh Koscheck will beat Georges St. Pierre ? Five Ounces of Pain! Why Josh Koscheck will beat Georges St. Pierre August 9th, 2007 by Sam Caplan The headline says it [...]

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]]> By: <![CDATA[Vess]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1293 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:30:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1293 You are wrong and mind altering drugs are bad for you. You are wrong and mind altering drugs are bad for you.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[screwface]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:36:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1292 I disagree completely. Josh is hands down one of the worst fighters in UFC history. Even his "win" over Sanchez was laughable. Sanchez fought Sanchez and lost in that 1. Kos is the most boring fighter to watch, and the boos in every one of his fights match what I say. The only way he will win is if it goes the distance and he runs and lays on GSP for 3 rounds, and the 'judges' decide thats cool. No idea what your basing your opinion on, this isn't high school wrestling and GSP isn't the usual schmoe brought in for Josh to chokeout to make Dana not look foolish for having him in UFC. Im sorry, but the fights are for the fans and most fighters know this, I don't hate Josh, i just think he doesnt know what it means to be a champ in the UFC and he should be sent to the minor leagues till he realizes, its about the fans. GSP will destroy him if Josh fights like a fighter, But if he fights like he usually does playing lay and run just for points I guess you could be right. I disagree completely. Josh is hands down one of the worst fighters in UFC history. Even his “win” over Sanchez was laughable. Sanchez fought Sanchez and lost in that 1. Kos is the most boring fighter to watch, and the boos in every one of his fights match what I say. The only way he will win is if it goes the distance and he runs and lays on GSP for 3 rounds, and the ‘judges’ decide thats cool. No idea what your basing your opinion on, this isn’t high school wrestling and GSP isn’t the usual schmoe brought in for Josh to chokeout to make Dana not look foolish for having him in UFC. Im sorry, but the fights are for the fans and most fighters know this, I don’t hate Josh, i just think he doesnt know what it means to be a champ in the UFC and he should be sent to the minor leagues till he realizes, its about the fans. GSP will destroy him if Josh fights like a fighter, But if he fights like he usually does playing lay and run just for points I guess you could be right.

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]]> By: <![CDATA[E]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1291 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:24:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1291 In my mind it's all about which GSP shows up: -will it be the Canadian kid who went on a tear after suffering his first loss (to Matt Hughes); where he absolutely dismantled Sherk and Trigg or -will it be the mentally shaken GSP that couldn't look Hughes in the eyes during their initial fight and was extremely nervous for his first title defense against Serra If it's the former then he'll make Koscheck pay for leaving his chin out there (watch his stand-up against Sanchez, his chin was never tucked) and actually make Koscheck look bad. If it's the latter, then Sam's prediction will probably come to fruition. Personally, I think we're going to see another assault on the welter-weight division as GSP storms back into title contention (but that's just my gut feeling). In my mind it’s all about which GSP shows up:

-will it be the Canadian kid who went on a tear after suffering his first loss (to Matt Hughes); where he absolutely dismantled Sherk and Trigg

or

-will it be the mentally shaken GSP that couldn’t look Hughes in the eyes during their initial fight and was extremely nervous for his first title defense against Serra

If it’s the former then he’ll make Koscheck pay for leaving his chin out there (watch his stand-up against Sanchez, his chin was never tucked) and actually make Koscheck look bad. If it’s the latter, then Sam’s prediction will probably come to fruition.

Personally, I think we’re going to see another assault on the welter-weight division as GSP storms back into title contention (but that’s just my gut feeling).

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]]> By: <![CDATA[jazzn]]> http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/09/why-josh-koscheck-will-beat-georges-st-pierre/comment-page-1/#comment-1290 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:20:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=479#comment-1290 Clearly the weakest thing about GSP is his mental toughness. He can be vulnerable to getting mentally off-track. This is the guy who beat B.J. Penn??? the guy who beats Matt Hughes (!) and then loses to Matt Who??? Amazing. I have a few bucks on Kos but he will have to come out fast and go after GSP. If he does what he did with Sanchez, IE stay on the outside and wait for opportunities, Georges will have time to start to relax and feel comfortable and Kos is going to get his bell rung. Clearly the weakest thing about GSP is his mental toughness. He can be vulnerable to getting mentally off-track.

This is the guy who beat B.J. Penn??? the guy who beats Matt Hughes (!) and then loses to Matt Who??? Amazing.

I have a few bucks on Kos but he will have to come out fast and go after GSP. If he does what he did with Sanchez, IE stay on the outside and wait for opportunities, Georges will have time to start to relax and feel comfortable and Kos is going to get his bell rung.

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