Comments on: Marvez plots Brock Lesnar’s UFC debut http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 24 May 2012 21:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1897 cyphron Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:34:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1897 Nick, While no one is arguing that professional wrestlers aren't athletes, I think it's a stretch to say that being "tough" means that one can make it in MMA. Professional football players are some of the toughest athletes around as well, and we already know that it doesn't translate into a career as an MMA fighter... Johnny Morton anyone? Having said that, I still believe that Lesnar can be a good if not great MMA fighter. However, don't mention Angle as he's more of a punchline than anything resembling a fighter nowadays. Nick,

While no one is arguing that professional wrestlers aren’t athletes, I think it’s a stretch to say that being “tough” means that one can make it in MMA. Professional football players are some of the toughest athletes around as well, and we already know that it doesn’t translate into a career as an MMA fighter… Johnny Morton anyone?

Having said that, I still believe that Lesnar can be a good if not great MMA fighter. However, don’t mention Angle as he’s more of a punchline than anything resembling a fighter nowadays.

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]]> By: nicklovesmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1882 nicklovesmma Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:20:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1882 Just to clarify: I'm not a pro wrestling mark; I realize that wrestling is "fake" in the respect that the outcome is predetermined and moves are sold to convey true damage. Still, I would consider pro wrestlers professional athletes and rank them as some of the toughest around Just to clarify: I’m not a pro wrestling mark; I realize that wrestling is “fake” in the respect that the outcome is predetermined and moves are sold to convey true damage. Still, I would consider pro wrestlers professional athletes and rank them as some of the toughest around

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]]> By: nicklovesmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1881 nicklovesmma Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:15:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1881 I don't think pro wrestlers get the credit they deserve. Just because the matches are a work does not mean wrestling is fake. These guys are tough and possess tremendous athleticism. I think Brock has the physical tools, mental toughness, and a will to win that will give him a better chance to excel than most others with his level of experience. I don’t think pro wrestlers get the credit they deserve. Just because the matches are a work does not mean wrestling is fake. These guys are tough and possess tremendous athleticism. I think Brock has the physical tools, mental toughness, and a will to win that will give him a better chance to excel than most others with his level of experience.

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]]> By: Gygax http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1880 Gygax Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:09:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1880 With Lesnar yapping so much about how great he is and Josh Barnett talking all this smack about how he's still the champ, let's match them up. They keep using their pro wrestling personas to promote themselves as being title contenders in the UFC, sign both and match them up. Put up or shut up. With Lesnar yapping so much about how great he is and Josh Barnett talking all this smack about how he’s still the champ, let’s match them up. They keep using their pro wrestling personas to promote themselves as being title contenders in the UFC, sign both and match them up. Put up or shut up.

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]]> By: pr0cs http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1874 pr0cs Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:56:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1874 I just don't understand all this love for Angle or Lesnar. Putting pro wrestlers front and center with little MMA experience sounds like an absolute disaster to me. Talk about putting any "real sport" credibility down the toilet. I just don’t understand all this love for Angle or Lesnar. Putting pro wrestlers front and center with little MMA experience sounds like an absolute disaster to me. Talk about putting any “real sport” credibility down the toilet.

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]]> By: bubbafat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1871 bubbafat Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:33:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1871 He's no coach. Maybe a contestant. But definitely no coach. Besides his assistants would probably be Gracies and Zuffa would nix that instantly. He’s no coach. Maybe a contestant. But definitely no coach.
Besides his assistants would probably be Gracies and Zuffa would nix that instantly.

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]]> By: me http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1870 me Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:08:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1870 In real life, Angle and Lesnar are very good friends so they will not be fighting. Angle is physically broken down and would never compete. He likes to talk to get free pub. In real life, Angle and Lesnar are very good friends so they will not be fighting. Angle is physically broken down and would never compete. He likes to talk to get free pub.

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]]> By: JP http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 JP Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:00:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1869 Most coaches have other coaches that specialize in different areas of MMA. Maybe brock could be a wrestling specialist and conditioning coach second to a MMA veteran. Let's see some heavyweight coaches. Most of the coaches have been in the middle weight classes. As far as drunk fighters and reality, these guys are bored to tears in a house with no media of any kind and fall back onto the behaviors they have shown in their life, many of which they normally would not do again except for the boredom. Most MMA fighters don't drink on a nightly basis. Most real MMA fighters are concerned enough about their weight and how they feel that they wouldnt do that. If you really watch the show, most of the drinking occurs with the fighters that have been eliminated Most coaches have other coaches that specialize in different areas of MMA. Maybe brock could be a wrestling specialist and conditioning coach second to a MMA veteran. Let’s see some heavyweight coaches. Most of the coaches have been in the middle weight classes. As far as drunk fighters and reality, these guys are bored to tears in a house with no media of any kind and fall back onto the behaviors they have shown in their life, many of which they normally would not do again except for the boredom. Most MMA fighters don’t drink on a nightly basis. Most real MMA fighters are concerned enough about their weight and how they feel that they wouldnt do that. If you really watch the show, most of the drinking occurs with the fighters that have been eliminated

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]]> By: Zurich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1865 Zurich Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:25:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1865 I got into TUF because of the reality aspect to it, meaning REAL MMA coaches (with experience) and REAL athletes doing REAL exercises. If TUF 7 had two former pro-wrestlers barking orders at a bunch of confused MMA guys, I would most certainly tune OUT. That said, TUF 7 should have Wandy and Rampage as coaches. That would be television gold! I got into TUF because of the reality aspect to it, meaning REAL MMA coaches (with experience) and REAL athletes doing REAL exercises. If TUF 7 had two former pro-wrestlers barking orders at a bunch of confused MMA guys, I would most certainly tune OUT.

That said, TUF 7 should have Wandy and Rampage as coaches. That would be television gold!

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]]> By: banditt2 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1863 banditt2 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:08:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1863 lesner and angle as coaches?come on are you for real?shouldn't a coach be well versed on the game not just learning it? lesner and angle as coaches?come on are you for real?shouldn’t a coach be well versed on the game not just learning it?

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]]> By: Brad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1862 Brad Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:53:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1862 If UFC ever had Lesnar as a coach on TUF it would lose any credibility that it has with hardcore MMA fans. It would be a good tool to get the casual fans that are also wrestling fans to watch the show but having somebody with less experience than most of the TUF contestants would be ridiculous. The sad thing is, I wouldn't be all too surprised to see Lesnar coaching TUF. TUF isn't about fighters, it is about 16 drunk guys stuck in a nice house. The guys just happen to be fighters. As seen on the previews of the upcoming season of TUF, the main focus is becoming (or already is) said drunk guys getting pissed off and breaking doors and anything else they can get their hands on. Bringing Lesnar in as coach would further go to show that the UFC really doesn't give a crap about making future champs, its all about the week to week ratings. One thing that I would love to see and would also boost the ratings is Lesnar being a TUF contestant. They could have the rest of the contestants be so-so fighters that Lesnar would demolish. Having Lesnar as a contestant instead of a coach would 1. Build Lesnar up and make him look unstoppable and 2. Give the contestants the best chance at improving as they could have two good coaches. If UFC ever had Lesnar as a coach on TUF it would lose any credibility that it has with hardcore MMA fans. It would be a good tool to get the casual fans that are also wrestling fans to watch the show but having somebody with less experience than most of the TUF contestants would be ridiculous.

The sad thing is, I wouldn’t be all too surprised to see Lesnar coaching TUF. TUF isn’t about fighters, it is about 16 drunk guys stuck in a nice house. The guys just happen to be fighters. As seen on the previews of the upcoming season of TUF, the main focus is becoming (or already is) said drunk guys getting pissed off and breaking doors and anything else they can get their hands on. Bringing Lesnar in as coach would further go to show that the UFC really doesn’t give a crap about making future champs, its all about the week to week ratings.

One thing that I would love to see and would also boost the ratings is Lesnar being a TUF contestant. They could have the rest of the contestants be so-so fighters that Lesnar would demolish. Having Lesnar as a contestant instead of a coach would 1. Build Lesnar up and make him look unstoppable and 2. Give the contestants the best chance at improving as they could have two good coaches.

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 garth Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:43:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1860 the writer did not do a lot to answer the question "why wasn't BJ reprimanded?" No one really has, except to say he didn't brag about it, or kind of trail off. i've done it too... i'd say it was because jens wasn't bleeding everywhere, and BJ didn't look directly in the ref's face and hold the choke while the ref was hauling on his arms furiously. I still thing Babalu's fight should be an NC and he should not be re-signed. the writer did not do a lot to answer the question “why wasn’t BJ reprimanded?”
No one really has, except to say he didn’t brag about it, or kind of trail off. i’ve done it too… i’d say it was because jens wasn’t bleeding everywhere, and BJ didn’t look directly in the ref’s face and hold the choke while the ref was hauling on his arms furiously.
I still thing Babalu’s fight should be an NC and he should not be re-signed.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1859 Accomando Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:41:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1859 Sure, its a good idea from a comercial stand-point, but its also a good way to ruin any credibility you had. This would be the equivalent of a Giant Silva/Zuluzinho fight, more of a freak show than anything else. Yes, I would like to see Lesnar fight in MMA, no he shouldn't be the coach of the UF reality show. Sure, its a good idea from a comercial stand-point, but its also a good way to ruin any credibility you had. This would be the equivalent of a Giant Silva/Zuluzinho fight, more of a freak show than anything else.

Yes, I would like to see Lesnar fight in MMA, no he shouldn’t be the coach of the UF reality show.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1858 Jeremy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:37:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1858 I am a fan of the idea of Lesnar debuting on a Spike Show not so much on TUF though. I am a fan of the idea of Lesnar debuting on a Spike Show not so much on TUF though.

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1855 garth Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:14:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1855 ok, RTFA, garth. it's actually a decent proposition the writer makes...give Lesnar a chance to train himself. it would be less that he's coaching them and more that they're all being coached by the assistants and guests. I can get behind that. now that i, you know, went and read what the guy said, that is. (shame) he made an interesting point about BJ holding the choke on Jens too (and telling everyone to go to his site which crashed. that was funny as hell) interesting wordo in re Brandon Vera: i believe Vera went on a hiatus, not an exodus. ok, RTFA, garth. it’s actually a decent proposition the writer makes…give Lesnar a chance to train himself. it would be less that he’s coaching them and more that they’re all being coached by the assistants and guests. I can get behind that. now that i, you know, went and read what the guy said, that is. (shame)

he made an interesting point about BJ holding the choke on Jens too (and telling everyone to go to his site which crashed. that was funny as hell)

interesting wordo in re Brandon Vera: i believe Vera went on a hiatus, not an exodus.

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]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1854 cyphron Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:10:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1854 I don't know, Sam. Most coaches on TUF had a pedigree of winning MMA fights. Kurt Angle coaching is laughable because he doesn't even know how to fight MMA. Any UFC heavies would turn him into pretzel. I don’t know, Sam. Most coaches on TUF had a pedigree of winning MMA fights. Kurt Angle coaching is laughable because he doesn’t even know how to fight MMA. Any UFC heavies would turn him into pretzel.

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1853 garth Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:03:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1853 Jens Pulver/BJ Penn. They (well, jens mostly) seemed to be trying to improve their fighters. I don't like the idea, personally. the guy has zero UFC experience. Maybe lots of big stage stuff, but it's all fake-o "wrestling". Maybe one fight in another org, but that was even in a ring wasn't it? meh. I don't care too much, i guess. I can see Matt Hughes not giving too much of a shite about his fighters in the upcoming season, whereas Serra will be a real live coach (for the second time...). I still don't like it. Hmph. I'm sticking in curmudgeon mode on this. Jens Pulver/BJ Penn. They (well, jens mostly) seemed to be trying to improve their fighters.
I don’t like the idea, personally. the guy has zero UFC experience. Maybe lots of big stage stuff, but it’s all fake-o “wrestling”. Maybe one fight in another org, but that was even in a ring wasn’t it? meh. I don’t care too much, i guess. I can see Matt Hughes not giving too much of a shite about his fighters in the upcoming season, whereas Serra will be a real live coach (for the second time…).
I still don’t like it. Hmph. I’m sticking in curmudgeon mode on this.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1851 Sam Caplan Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:35:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1851 Mike: When has coaching ability ever been a priority when naming "coaches" for TUF? The coaching positions are primarily promotional vehicles for fighters already on the UFC roster to get some exposure. Mike:

When has coaching ability ever been a priority when naming “coaches” for TUF? The coaching positions are primarily promotional vehicles for fighters already on the UFC roster to get some exposure.

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]]> By: mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/comment-page-1/#comment-1849 mike Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:20:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/08/29/marvez-plots-brock-lesnars-ufc-debut/#comment-1849 Please tell me how it makes any sense to have a guy "coaching" TUF who is 1-0 in MMA? Please tell me how it makes any sense to have a guy “coaching” TUF who is 1-0 in MMA?

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