Comments on: My post-UFC 75 thoughts including what’s next for each fighter http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 24 May 2012 21:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2248 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:39:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2248 Ahhh...did my reply get deleted? If so why???? In reply to: "As for Hamill, if Bisping drops then I’d like to see him possibly face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches." Basically what I said before (in me reply that was deleted)....how can you even put Hamill's name in the same sentence as Shogun, Liddell, or Ortiz ? Yes Ortiz isn't the same fighter as he was when he held the title put he is still 2 tiers above Hamill. Jardine, Griffin, and Evans shouldn't even be considered as potential opponents yet. Hamill is 2-3 fights away from fighting any other of those three. Even if Ortiz loses to Evans in the rematch I don't see them fighting due to their history together. Ahhh…did my reply get deleted? If so why????

In reply to: “As for Hamill, if Bisping drops then I’d like to see him possibly face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches.”

Basically what I said before (in me reply that was deleted)….how can you even put Hamill’s name in the same sentence as Shogun, Liddell, or Ortiz ? Yes Ortiz isn’t the same fighter as he was when he held the title put he is still 2 tiers above Hamill. Jardine, Griffin, and Evans shouldn’t even be considered as potential opponents yet. Hamill is 2-3 fights away from fighting any other of those three. Even if Ortiz loses to Evans in the rematch I don’t see them fighting due to their history together.

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]]> By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2243 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:53:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2243 Hamill gave the fight away...he was stupid to think that his stand up was that great that it would win him the fight. After a nice 1st rd where he displayed his improved stand up game he should have kept the fight on the ground for the rest of the fight. I know Bisbing escaped a couple of times and tried a couple subs but Hamill would have won w/out a doubt if he kept the fight on the ground. I scored the fight this way: 1st rd: easily goes to Hamill 3rd rd: goes to Bisbing The only questionable rd...rd 2...I scored for Bisbing. I don't think Hamill did enough in that rd. Bisbing was active the entire time. Hamill's take downs may have scored pts but once on the ground he did absolutely nothing. I don't see this as being the "most controversial fight of the decade" as many other fans do. Hamill gave the fight away…he was stupid to think that his stand up was that great that it would win him the fight. After a nice 1st rd where he displayed his improved stand up game he should have kept the fight on the ground for the rest of the fight. I know Bisbing escaped a couple of times and tried a couple subs but Hamill would have won w/out a doubt if he kept the fight on the ground. I scored the fight this way:
1st rd: easily goes to Hamill
3rd rd: goes to Bisbing
The only questionable rd…rd 2…I scored for Bisbing. I don’t think Hamill did enough in that rd. Bisbing was active the entire time. Hamill’s take downs may have scored pts but once on the ground he did absolutely nothing. I don’t see this as being the “most controversial fight of the decade” as many other fans do.

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]]> By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2242 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:48:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2242 You think Hamill should..."face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches" ???? First off you must be assuming that Liddell and Shogun are def winning which for almost 100% certainty they should...but even if for some crazy reason either of them lose its ridiculous that you even mention that as a possible match up for Hamill. Oritz and Hamill won' fight because of their history together. Also Ortiz might not be the same guy as when he was a title holder, but he still is 2 tiers above Hamill as a fighter. Jardine, Griffin and Evans are the only opponents that should even be considered here. Even then I think Hamill is about 2-3 fights away from fighting any of those guys. You think Hamill should…”face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches” ????

First off you must be assuming that Liddell and Shogun are def winning which for almost 100% certainty they should…but even if for some crazy reason either of them lose its ridiculous that you even mention that as a possible match up for Hamill. Oritz and Hamill won’ fight because of their history together. Also Ortiz might not be the same guy as when he was a title holder, but he still is 2 tiers above Hamill as a fighter. Jardine, Griffin and Evans are the only opponents that should even be considered here. Even then I think Hamill is about 2-3 fights away from fighting any of those guys.

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]]> By: oj http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2235 oj Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:25:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2235 Sam - With all the UFC vs. PRIDE and title unification promos, i was wondering the same thing as you... where the F is the PRIDE belt? Am i the only one that thinks its a total lack of respect to PRIDE, the belt and every fighter that ever held that 205-lb belt to not even show the title at any point during the "unification" bout? Hendo had both his welterweight and middleweight titles on his shoulders when he entered the Octagon after Rampage beat Liddell. I was expecting him to AT LEAST walk out with the PRIDE title. They put so much hype around the "unifcation" bout and to the casual fan it probably looked just like a regular UFC championship bout. It would have been nice to see Rampage hold both titles simultaneously before the PRIDE belt was officially retired. But i guess we'll never see that belt again just like we'll never see PRIDE again. Sam -

With all the UFC vs. PRIDE and title unification promos, i was wondering the same thing as you… where the F is the PRIDE belt?

Am i the only one that thinks its a total lack of respect to PRIDE, the belt and every fighter that ever held that 205-lb belt to not even show the title at any point during the “unification” bout? Hendo had both his welterweight and middleweight titles on his shoulders when he entered the Octagon after Rampage beat Liddell. I was expecting him to AT LEAST walk out with the PRIDE title. They put so much hype around the “unifcation” bout and to the casual fan it probably looked just like a regular UFC championship bout.

It would have been nice to see Rampage hold both titles simultaneously before the PRIDE belt was officially retired. But i guess we’ll never see that belt again just like we’ll never see PRIDE again.

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]]> By: Justin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2232 Justin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:25:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2232 I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is: “I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.” that's total bullshit. I mean, yes, Hamill was running out of gas but he was still doing the most. I don't care if Bisping danced around "acting" like he was boxing. Bisping did nothing throughout the whole fight until the last moment. Hamill blocked almost ever hit Bisping threw at him. And Bisping.......what a %$#*. I can't believe in his post fight speech he told Hamill to go back to wrestling. Even his fellow English men knew he was fucking crazy and shouldn't have got the win. yesterday on MMAweekly the poll was like 225 to 16 in favor of Hamill winning. I just can't believe that that many people would have got it wrong. Especially when one judge scored it 27-30. I am completely disappointed with the decision. I really hope something comes out of all this. This was the first time in MMA that I was comletely sick to my stomach over a complete bogus decision. All in all it doesn't matter because niether of these guys are top ten material. That being said, though, at least give props to Hamill for coming out and beating Bispings ass at his own game. I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is:

“I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.”

that’s total bullshit.

I mean, yes, Hamill was running out of gas but he was still doing the most. I don’t care if Bisping danced around “acting” like he was boxing. Bisping did nothing throughout the whole fight until the last moment. Hamill blocked almost ever hit Bisping threw at him.

And Bisping…….what a %$#*. I can’t believe in his post fight speech he told Hamill to go back to wrestling. Even his fellow English men knew he was fucking crazy and shouldn’t have got the win. yesterday on MMAweekly the poll was like 225 to 16 in favor of Hamill winning. I just can’t believe that that many people would have got it wrong. Especially when one judge scored it 27-30.

I am completely disappointed with the decision. I really hope something comes out of all this. This was the first time in MMA that I was comletely sick to my stomach over a complete bogus decision.

All in all it doesn’t matter because niether of these guys are top ten material. That being said, though, at least give props to Hamill for coming out and beating Bispings ass at his own game.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2231 Matt Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:23:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2231 Sam, I brought this up on my radio show in ourr UFC 75 review, but what do you think about Houston Alexander vs. Wanderlei Silva? Sam,

I brought this up on my radio show in ourr UFC 75 review, but what do you think about Houston Alexander vs. Wanderlei Silva?

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2230 Jeremy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:52:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2230 I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is: “I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.” I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is:

“I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.”

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2228 Jeremy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:57:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2228 - "Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight." Mike, you are not the only one, but the majority definitely from what I have read think Rampage won the fight. I think a 48-47 score is the most likely thought as well. I know Breen on Beatdown after the Bell said he thought it was the closest 49-46 fight he ever saw. It was a close technical fight. You would probably get a similar percentage of people who think Bisping one as you would Henderson won. Although with much less anger involved I would think as well. - “Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight.”

Mike, you are not the only one, but the majority definitely from what I have read think Rampage won the fight. I think a 48-47 score is the most likely thought as well. I know Breen on Beatdown after the Bell said he thought it was the closest 49-46 fight he ever saw. It was a close technical fight. You would probably get a similar percentage of people who think Bisping one as you would Henderson won. Although with much less anger involved I would think as well.

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]]> By: jaydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 jaydog Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:13:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2225 A deaf blogger in my area (somewhere between DC and Richmond, VA) has created a "Hamill was robbed" post that is getting loads of discussion going. I'm assuming that Hamill is the subject of much interest among the deaf. This post seems to indicate that anyhow. http://www.ridorlive.com/?p=2386 A deaf blogger in my area (somewhere between DC and Richmond, VA) has created a “Hamill was robbed” post that is getting loads of discussion going. I’m assuming that Hamill is the subject of much interest among the deaf. This post seems to indicate that anyhow.

http://www.ridorlive.com/?p=2386

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]]> By: Mike Kenobi http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2224 Mike Kenobi Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:07:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2224 Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds... Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight. Bisbing also lost, don't get me wrong I love the guy and hate his opponent, but I have now lost all faith in the UFC judges and I wonder if Dana is pulling the strings. I just can't grasp how these judges can score the fights the way they did. Maybe they should score them from a bar where they can see all of the action on TV... I hope to see Fedor come just to see if he is as good as they say. Hoping to see Big Nog and Couture battle really soon. Never been more pissed off after a UFC event. I guess I just said that a couple of months ago in Rampages last fight, but god these fighters need to realize the judges are going to screw them and the have to finish. I don't think they should have given Rampage an edge for being champ either, cause Hendo is also a champ and it was a UNIFICATION bout! No advantage should have been given to either fighter. Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight.

Bisbing also lost, don’t get me wrong I love the guy and hate his opponent, but I have now lost all faith in the UFC judges and I wonder if Dana is pulling the strings. I just can’t grasp how these judges can score the fights the way they did. Maybe they should score them from a bar where they can see all of the action on TV… I hope to see Fedor come just to see if he is as good as they say. Hoping to see Big Nog and Couture battle really soon.

Never been more pissed off after a UFC event. I guess I just said that a couple of months ago in Rampages last fight, but god these fighters need to realize the judges are going to screw them and the have to finish. I don’t think they should have given Rampage an edge for being champ either, cause Hendo is also a champ and it was a UNIFICATION bout! No advantage should have been given to either fighter.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2223 Sam Caplan Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:01:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2223 Here's my take. I don't believe the fix was in. There was no conspiracy. Did the UFC bring in the judges? Sure. But Marc Ratner is a straight up dude. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was incompetence. And look, no judge is going to be perfect. My issue is that there is no evaluation process and no accountability. If a fighter turns in poor performances, he loses his job. But if a judge routinely makes questionable calls what happens to him? If their anyone evaluating his performance and determining whether he's qualified to continue as a judge? Here’s my take.

I don’t believe the fix was in. There was no conspiracy. Did the UFC bring in the judges? Sure. But Marc Ratner is a straight up dude. It wasn’t a conspiracy, it was incompetence. And look, no judge is going to be perfect. My issue is that there is no evaluation process and no accountability. If a fighter turns in poor performances, he loses his job. But if a judge routinely makes questionable calls what happens to him? If their anyone evaluating his performance and determining whether he’s qualified to continue as a judge?

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]]> By: Brent http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2222 Brent Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:47:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2222 "It was the two clowns from the U.S., Jeff Mullen and Cecil Peoples, who scored it 29-28 for Bisping." "Clown" is a polte term for Mullen and Peoples - there is no need for them to ever destroy another fighters career. “It was the two clowns from the U.S., Jeff Mullen and Cecil Peoples, who scored it 29-28 for Bisping.”

“Clown” is a polte term for Mullen and Peoples – there is no need for them to ever destroy another fighters career.

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2218 dice Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:06:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2218 I think cro cop is a very proud guy and I don't see him sticking around and getting his ass kicked anymore. Even though he is making a fortune each fight, its looks like he might not make it out alive if he were to finish out his contract (and I don't see him cutting to 205). If congo's next fight is indeed against Big Nog then that is a waste of the momentum he has just built for his career. He may win the battle when standing up but will definitely lose the war when it hits the ground. Yeah hamil got robbed and everyone knows it (I guess except for bisping after seeing him talk after the fight). My girlfriend who knows jack all about mma saw that fight and was very confused at the outcome. They need to get some type of rating system like the NBA, NFL etc. for these judges (that was previously mentioned I believe). And yes bisping needs to drop to middleweight, I think his future is very bleak at 205 (I think someone like houston alexander would maul him) Hendo vs rampage was a good fight and hopefully will prompt dan to move back down to his more natural weight class. MMAWEEKLY's Damon Martin called it a "dominant performance" for rampage. I guess he was watching a different fight than I was. My advice to MMAWEEKLY is to actually have their writers watch the fights they are reporting on. You can say a lot of things about Rampage after that fight but the word "dominant" is not one of them (I had it 48-47 for rampage as did sherdog) And finally I have to agree 100% with sam that this UFC vs Pride thing is not going to happen. First off last night wasn't UFC vs Pride, it was the current UFC champion vs Pride Champion. Rampage's career was made in Pride long ago and he had only 2 fights in the UFC before this fight. Now Randy vs Fedor would be a UFC vs Pride event, as both of them have fought for years in their respective organizations. And like sam said, what future UFC/pride events are on the horizen? You don't that many pride lightweights signed yet and you still haven't announced the signing of fedor yet. I think cro cop is a very proud guy and I don’t see him sticking around and getting his ass kicked anymore. Even though he is making a fortune each fight, its looks like he might not make it out alive if he were to finish out his contract (and I don’t see him cutting to 205). If congo’s next fight is indeed against Big Nog then that is a waste of the momentum he has just built for his career. He may win the battle when standing up but will definitely lose the war when it hits the ground.

Yeah hamil got robbed and everyone knows it (I guess except for bisping after seeing him talk after the fight). My girlfriend who knows jack all about mma saw that fight and was very confused at the outcome. They need to get some type of rating system like the NBA, NFL etc. for these judges (that was previously mentioned I believe). And yes bisping needs to drop to middleweight, I think his future is very bleak at 205 (I think someone like houston alexander would maul him)

Hendo vs rampage was a good fight and hopefully will prompt dan to move back down to his more natural weight class. MMAWEEKLY’s Damon Martin called it a “dominant performance” for rampage. I guess he was watching a different fight than I was. My advice to MMAWEEKLY is to actually have their writers watch the fights they are reporting on. You can say a lot of things about Rampage after that fight but the word “dominant” is not one of them (I had it 48-47 for rampage as did sherdog)

And finally I have to agree 100% with sam that this UFC vs Pride thing is not going to happen. First off last night wasn’t UFC vs Pride, it was the current UFC champion vs Pride Champion. Rampage’s career was made in Pride long ago and he had only 2 fights in the UFC before this fight. Now Randy vs Fedor would be a UFC vs Pride event, as both of them have fought for years in their respective organizations. And like sam said, what future UFC/pride events are on the horizen? You don’t that many pride lightweights signed yet and you still haven’t announced the signing of fedor yet.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2217 Ivan Trembow Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:04:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2217 The UFC, specifically Marc Ratner, is responsible for bringing in the judges, officials, inspectors, etc. and essentially acting as the athletic commission when they run shows in unregulated places like the United Kingdom. Two people that watched the event with me are now pretty sour on the whole sport in general, saying that it’s corrupt and full of crap. I had to try to convince them that it was just incompetence and gutlessness on the part of the judges, and not corruption. Again, when making the argument to my pissed off friends that the judges were simply incompetent and gutless as opposed to corrupt, I basically had to say never mind the fact that the judges on these unregulated UFC shows are hired by the UFC, paid for by the UFC, chosen by the UFC, flown in by the UFC, etc. In the case of that particular fight, I think it was just a case of the judges being gutless in not wanting to have the fight scored 2 rounds to 0 headed into the final round, which is unfortunately not that uncommon to see, and then giving the final round to Bisping, which at that point would give him 2 rounds to 1. The UFC, specifically Marc Ratner, is responsible for bringing in the judges, officials, inspectors, etc. and essentially acting as the athletic commission when they run shows in unregulated places like the United Kingdom.

Two people that watched the event with me are now pretty sour on the whole sport in general, saying that it’s corrupt and full of crap. I had to try to convince them that it was just incompetence and gutlessness on the part of the judges, and not corruption.

Again, when making the argument to my pissed off friends that the judges were simply incompetent and gutless as opposed to corrupt, I basically had to say never mind the fact that the judges on these unregulated UFC shows are hired by the UFC, paid for by the UFC, chosen by the UFC, flown in by the UFC, etc. In the case of that particular fight, I think it was just a case of the judges being gutless in not wanting to have the fight scored 2 rounds to 0 headed into the final round, which is unfortunately not that uncommon to see, and then giving the final round to Bisping, which at that point would give him 2 rounds to 1.

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]]> By: daveykb http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2215 daveykb Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:35:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2215 Just read that CroCop suffered a broken rib in the first round that left him struggling to breathe for the remaining 2 rounds! Also when a reporter at the airport in Croatia asked him if he plans to retire now he said..."we'll have to see" I feel for him, i really do! Im dissapointed for him so god knows how he feels!!! Just read that CroCop suffered a broken rib in the first round that left him struggling to breathe for the remaining 2 rounds! Also when a reporter at the airport in Croatia asked him if he plans to retire now he said…”we’ll have to see”

I feel for him, i really do! Im dissapointed for him so god knows how he feels!!!

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]]> By: c-ing_red http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2213 c-ing_red Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:11:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2213 Re: Cecil Peoples - Cecil is a crap judge. But he is a martial artist. He knows the craft well. Jeff Mullen is also. MMA is a young sport and they would do better to get other judges (possibly from pro boxing) to judge the fights. MMA is a difficult sport to judge, but I think it is easier to train a judge to judge a fight than train a martial artist to be a judge. Just my take..... Re: Cecil Peoples – Cecil is a crap judge. But he is a martial artist. He knows the craft well. Jeff Mullen is also. MMA is a young sport and they would do better to get other judges (possibly from pro boxing) to judge the fights.

MMA is a difficult sport to judge, but I think it is easier to train a judge to judge a fight than train a martial artist to be a judge.

Just my take…..

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 Rich Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:08:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2212 I agree with Dan and Jeremy's comments. Hammill got the takedowns yes, but couldn't do anything. Takedowns are great but the scoring is based on EFFECTIVE striking and grappling, Hammils grappling wasn't effective. Also, why hasn't anyone mentioned the fact that Bisping defended at least two takedowns? Maybe that scored with the judges? I'd certainly call the ability to stop a skilled wrestler taking you down effective grappling. But perhaps I remember it slightly differently to how it looked on TV. Having said that I wasn't impressed with how Bisping handled himself after the fight. But, as Joe Rogan often says, a fight can look a lot different when you're in it. I agree with Dan and Jeremy’s comments. Hammill got the takedowns yes, but couldn’t do anything. Takedowns are great but the scoring is based on EFFECTIVE striking and grappling, Hammils grappling wasn’t effective.

Also, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that Bisping defended at least two takedowns? Maybe that scored with the judges? I’d certainly call the ability to stop a skilled wrestler taking you down effective grappling.

But perhaps I remember it slightly differently to how it looked on TV. Having said that I wasn’t impressed with how Bisping handled himself after the fight. But, as Joe Rogan often says, a fight can look a lot different when you’re in it.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2211 Jeremy Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:31:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2211 - "If a fighter in MMA can win a fight by running backwards 14 out of 15 minutes, we’re got boxing, and I’ll watch something else." That's basically what we had in the match, since Hamill's takedowns weren't as prevelant as we all thought they would be prior to the fight. And when he did get a takedown he really did nothing with it. It was definitely a very close decision though, I just didn't see it Hamill's way but I could see how someone could. I thought Jordan Breen's discussion on the two judges who scored for Bisping and why is interesting. He says that both judges have karate scoring backgrounds which are points based and what Bisping did in the fight might have helped him in the way those two judges score. Also his thoughts on the 2nd round being a 10-10 round were interesting as well. - “If a fighter in MMA can win a fight by running backwards 14 out of 15 minutes, we’re got boxing, and I’ll watch something else.”

That’s basically what we had in the match, since Hamill’s takedowns weren’t as prevelant as we all thought they would be prior to the fight. And when he did get a takedown he really did nothing with it. It was definitely a very close decision though, I just didn’t see it Hamill’s way but I could see how someone could.

I thought Jordan Breen’s discussion on the two judges who scored for Bisping and why is interesting. He says that both judges have karate scoring backgrounds which are points based and what Bisping did in the fight might have helped him in the way those two judges score. Also his thoughts on the 2nd round being a 10-10 round were interesting as well.

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]]> By: UFC 75: Sifting the wreckage « Cage Buzz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2210 UFC 75: Sifting the wreckage « Cage Buzz Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:16:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2210 [...] Caplan at Five Ounces of Pain on Alexander being described as violent: “It’s kind of a weird statement considering this [...] [...] Caplan at Five Ounces of Pain on Alexander being described as violent: “It’s kind of a weird statement considering this [...]

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2209 garth Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:33:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2209 If a fighter in MMA can win a fight by running backwards 14 out of 15 minutes, we're got boxing, and I'll watch something else. The finel criteria for judging is Octagon Control. Decision Bitch Bisping had none of it. He threw hands that did no damage save perhaps one or two in the final round. He basically ran and occassionally tossed out lollipop shots that were his hardest. When you watch someone get beat over the head with a chair for three rounds and still win, that's robbery. Worst decision I've ever seen. If a fighter in MMA can win a fight by running backwards 14 out of 15 minutes, we’re got boxing, and I’ll watch something else. The finel criteria for judging is Octagon Control. Decision Bitch Bisping had none of it. He threw hands that did no damage save perhaps one or two in the final round. He basically ran and occassionally tossed out lollipop shots that were his hardest.
When you watch someone get beat over the head with a chair for three rounds and still win, that’s robbery. Worst decision I’ve ever seen.

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