Comments on: My post-UFC 75 thoughts including what’s next for each fighter http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:51:45 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2248 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:39:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2248 Ahhh...did my reply get deleted? If so why???? In reply to: "As for Hamill, if Bisping drops then I’d like to see him possibly face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches." Basically what I said before (in me reply that was deleted)....how can you even put Hamill's name in the same sentence as Shogun, Liddell, or Ortiz ? Yes Ortiz isn't the same fighter as he was when he held the title put he is still 2 tiers above Hamill. Jardine, Griffin, and Evans shouldn't even be considered as potential opponents yet. Hamill is 2-3 fights away from fighting any other of those three. Even if Ortiz loses to Evans in the rematch I don't see them fighting due to their history together. Ahhh…did my reply get deleted? If so why????

In reply to: “As for Hamill, if Bisping drops then I’d like to see him possibly face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches.”

Basically what I said before (in me reply that was deleted)….how can you even put Hamill’s name in the same sentence as Shogun, Liddell, or Ortiz ? Yes Ortiz isn’t the same fighter as he was when he held the title put he is still 2 tiers above Hamill. Jardine, Griffin, and Evans shouldn’t even be considered as potential opponents yet. Hamill is 2-3 fights away from fighting any other of those three. Even if Ortiz loses to Evans in the rematch I don’t see them fighting due to their history together.

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]]> By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2243 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:53:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2243 Hamill gave the fight away...he was stupid to think that his stand up was that great that it would win him the fight. After a nice 1st rd where he displayed his improved stand up game he should have kept the fight on the ground for the rest of the fight. I know Bisbing escaped a couple of times and tried a couple subs but Hamill would have won w/out a doubt if he kept the fight on the ground. I scored the fight this way: 1st rd: easily goes to Hamill 3rd rd: goes to Bisbing The only questionable rd...rd 2...I scored for Bisbing. I don't think Hamill did enough in that rd. Bisbing was active the entire time. Hamill's take downs may have scored pts but once on the ground he did absolutely nothing. I don't see this as being the "most controversial fight of the decade" as many other fans do. Hamill gave the fight away…he was stupid to think that his stand up was that great that it would win him the fight. After a nice 1st rd where he displayed his improved stand up game he should have kept the fight on the ground for the rest of the fight. I know Bisbing escaped a couple of times and tried a couple subs but Hamill would have won w/out a doubt if he kept the fight on the ground. I scored the fight this way:
1st rd: easily goes to Hamill
3rd rd: goes to Bisbing
The only questionable rd…rd 2…I scored for Bisbing. I don’t think Hamill did enough in that rd. Bisbing was active the entire time. Hamill’s take downs may have scored pts but once on the ground he did absolutely nothing. I don’t see this as being the “most controversial fight of the decade” as many other fans do.

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]]> By: bmackin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2242 bmackin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:48:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2242 You think Hamill should..."face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches" ???? First off you must be assuming that Liddell and Shogun are def winning which for almost 100% certainty they should...but even if for some crazy reason either of them lose its ridiculous that you even mention that as a possible match up for Hamill. Oritz and Hamill won' fight because of their history together. Also Ortiz might not be the same guy as when he was a title holder, but he still is 2 tiers above Hamill as a fighter. Jardine, Griffin and Evans are the only opponents that should even be considered here. Even then I think Hamill is about 2-3 fights away from fighting any of those guys. You think Hamill should…”face one of the losers in the upcoming Liddell vs. Jardine, Shogun vs. Griffin, and Ortiz vs. Evans matches” ????

First off you must be assuming that Liddell and Shogun are def winning which for almost 100% certainty they should…but even if for some crazy reason either of them lose its ridiculous that you even mention that as a possible match up for Hamill. Oritz and Hamill won’ fight because of their history together. Also Ortiz might not be the same guy as when he was a title holder, but he still is 2 tiers above Hamill as a fighter. Jardine, Griffin and Evans are the only opponents that should even be considered here. Even then I think Hamill is about 2-3 fights away from fighting any of those guys.

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]]> By: oj http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2235 oj Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:25:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2235 Sam - With all the UFC vs. PRIDE and title unification promos, i was wondering the same thing as you... where the F is the PRIDE belt? Am i the only one that thinks its a total lack of respect to PRIDE, the belt and every fighter that ever held that 205-lb belt to not even show the title at any point during the "unification" bout? Hendo had both his welterweight and middleweight titles on his shoulders when he entered the Octagon after Rampage beat Liddell. I was expecting him to AT LEAST walk out with the PRIDE title. They put so much hype around the "unifcation" bout and to the casual fan it probably looked just like a regular UFC championship bout. It would have been nice to see Rampage hold both titles simultaneously before the PRIDE belt was officially retired. But i guess we'll never see that belt again just like we'll never see PRIDE again. Sam -

With all the UFC vs. PRIDE and title unification promos, i was wondering the same thing as you… where the F is the PRIDE belt?

Am i the only one that thinks its a total lack of respect to PRIDE, the belt and every fighter that ever held that 205-lb belt to not even show the title at any point during the “unification” bout? Hendo had both his welterweight and middleweight titles on his shoulders when he entered the Octagon after Rampage beat Liddell. I was expecting him to AT LEAST walk out with the PRIDE title. They put so much hype around the “unifcation” bout and to the casual fan it probably looked just like a regular UFC championship bout.

It would have been nice to see Rampage hold both titles simultaneously before the PRIDE belt was officially retired. But i guess we’ll never see that belt again just like we’ll never see PRIDE again.

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]]> By: Justin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2232 Justin Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:25:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2232 I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is: “I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.” that's total bullshit. I mean, yes, Hamill was running out of gas but he was still doing the most. I don't care if Bisping danced around "acting" like he was boxing. Bisping did nothing throughout the whole fight until the last moment. Hamill blocked almost ever hit Bisping threw at him. And Bisping.......what a %$#*. I can't believe in his post fight speech he told Hamill to go back to wrestling. Even his fellow English men knew he was fucking crazy and shouldn't have got the win. yesterday on MMAweekly the poll was like 225 to 16 in favor of Hamill winning. I just can't believe that that many people would have got it wrong. Especially when one judge scored it 27-30. I am completely disappointed with the decision. I really hope something comes out of all this. This was the first time in MMA that I was comletely sick to my stomach over a complete bogus decision. All in all it doesn't matter because niether of these guys are top ten material. That being said, though, at least give props to Hamill for coming out and beating Bispings ass at his own game. I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is:

“I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.”

that’s total bullshit.

I mean, yes, Hamill was running out of gas but he was still doing the most. I don’t care if Bisping danced around “acting” like he was boxing. Bisping did nothing throughout the whole fight until the last moment. Hamill blocked almost ever hit Bisping threw at him.

And Bisping…….what a %$#*. I can’t believe in his post fight speech he told Hamill to go back to wrestling. Even his fellow English men knew he was fucking crazy and shouldn’t have got the win. yesterday on MMAweekly the poll was like 225 to 16 in favor of Hamill winning. I just can’t believe that that many people would have got it wrong. Especially when one judge scored it 27-30.

I am completely disappointed with the decision. I really hope something comes out of all this. This was the first time in MMA that I was comletely sick to my stomach over a complete bogus decision.

All in all it doesn’t matter because niether of these guys are top ten material. That being said, though, at least give props to Hamill for coming out and beating Bispings ass at his own game.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2231 Matt Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:23:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2231 Sam, I brought this up on my radio show in ourr UFC 75 review, but what do you think about Houston Alexander vs. Wanderlei Silva? Sam,

I brought this up on my radio show in ourr UFC 75 review, but what do you think about Houston Alexander vs. Wanderlei Silva?

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2230 Jeremy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:52:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2230 I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is: “I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.” I see fightnetwork.com has a quote up from Cecil Peoples, here it is:

“I gave Bisping the second round, first because Hamill was beginning to run out of gas after the first round. Bisping fought like he wanted that fight. He came back aggressive [from the first round]. Hamill did take him down, but he did nothing with the takedown. Overall, Bisping was more aggressive. Hamill just held him down. Bisping’s punching was more effective.”

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2228 Jeremy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:57:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2228 - "Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight." Mike, you are not the only one, but the majority definitely from what I have read think Rampage won the fight. I think a 48-47 score is the most likely thought as well. I know Breen on Beatdown after the Bell said he thought it was the closest 49-46 fight he ever saw. It was a close technical fight. You would probably get a similar percentage of people who think Bisping one as you would Henderson won. Although with much less anger involved I would think as well. - “Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight.”

Mike, you are not the only one, but the majority definitely from what I have read think Rampage won the fight. I think a 48-47 score is the most likely thought as well. I know Breen on Beatdown after the Bell said he thought it was the closest 49-46 fight he ever saw. It was a close technical fight. You would probably get a similar percentage of people who think Bisping one as you would Henderson won. Although with much less anger involved I would think as well.

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]]> By: jaydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 jaydog Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:13:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2225 A deaf blogger in my area (somewhere between DC and Richmond, VA) has created a "Hamill was robbed" post that is getting loads of discussion going. I'm assuming that Hamill is the subject of much interest among the deaf. This post seems to indicate that anyhow. http://www.ridorlive.com/?p=2386 A deaf blogger in my area (somewhere between DC and Richmond, VA) has created a “Hamill was robbed” post that is getting loads of discussion going. I’m assuming that Hamill is the subject of much interest among the deaf. This post seems to indicate that anyhow.

http://www.ridorlive.com/?p=2386

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]]> By: Mike Kenobi http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/comment-page-1/#comment-2224 Mike Kenobi Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:07:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/09/my-post-ufc-75-thoughts-including-whats-next-for-each-fighter/#comment-2224 Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds... Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight. Bisbing also lost, don't get me wrong I love the guy and hate his opponent, but I have now lost all faith in the UFC judges and I wonder if Dana is pulling the strings. I just can't grasp how these judges can score the fights the way they did. Maybe they should score them from a bar where they can see all of the action on TV... I hope to see Fedor come just to see if he is as good as they say. Hoping to see Big Nog and Couture battle really soon. Never been more pissed off after a UFC event. I guess I just said that a couple of months ago in Rampages last fight, but god these fighters need to realize the judges are going to screw them and the have to finish. I don't think they should have given Rampage an edge for being champ either, cause Hendo is also a champ and it was a UNIFICATION bout! No advantage should have been given to either fighter. Am I the only person who thought that Henderson won the fight? He dominated the first round, could be said he won the second and/or the third, and then handily won the final round. He was on top of him for most of the final round until the last couple of seconds… Can you believe Rampage talking about his broken knuckles after the fight? He landed two good shots the whole fight.

Bisbing also lost, don’t get me wrong I love the guy and hate his opponent, but I have now lost all faith in the UFC judges and I wonder if Dana is pulling the strings. I just can’t grasp how these judges can score the fights the way they did. Maybe they should score them from a bar where they can see all of the action on TV… I hope to see Fedor come just to see if he is as good as they say. Hoping to see Big Nog and Couture battle really soon.

Never been more pissed off after a UFC event. I guess I just said that a couple of months ago in Rampages last fight, but god these fighters need to realize the judges are going to screw them and the have to finish. I don’t think they should have given Rampage an edge for being champ either, cause Hendo is also a champ and it was a UNIFICATION bout! No advantage should have been given to either fighter.

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