Comments on: UFC 76: Post-show thoughts on Jardine and Griffin upsets and more http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 12:26:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Pancho Villa http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-8731 Pancho Villa Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:20:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-8731 The john and diego fight sucked! john fitch and kos, both exactly fought the same way against diego, kind of like in basketball, defenders will hang on shaq like a christmas ornament to prevent him from scoring instead of playing actual basketball and try and defend him. Josh half ass punched diego about 3 or 4 times and then spent the rest of the time running away. John layed on top of diego and gave him love taps all night. Dana should match up john against kos, and lets see who can put on the cheaper fight. The john and diego fight sucked! john fitch and kos, both exactly fought the same way against diego, kind of like in basketball, defenders will hang on shaq like a christmas ornament to prevent him from scoring instead of playing actual basketball and try and defend him. Josh half ass punched diego about 3 or 4 times and then spent the rest of the time running away. John layed on top of diego and gave him love taps all night. Dana should match up john against kos, and lets see who can put on the cheaper fight.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2852 Sam Caplan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:12:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2852 Artelus: One more comment from me. Your claim of my being ignorant about standup fighting is what's ignorant. Do you know what the term ignorant means? If you truly do, then you know ignorance does not apply when it comes to my criticism. You might not like my opinion, but I'm far from ignorant when it comes to standup. I trained boxing between the ages of 13-15 (I never fought, but I have formal training); I trained Karate sporadically between the age of 18-20 (well, it was Tiger Schulmann's, does that count as Karate?); from 24-28 I trained Kung Fu and from 28 to the present I've trained Muay Thai. I've trained under former regional boxing champs, black belts, Masters, and Krus. My criticism of Machida's standup isn't from a lack of knowledge or experience. I know standup. My criticism has to do with personal taste. In my opinion he's a boring fighter. Artelus:

One more comment from me. Your claim of my being ignorant about standup fighting is what’s ignorant.

Do you know what the term ignorant means? If you truly do, then you know ignorance does not apply when it comes to my criticism. You might not like my opinion, but I’m far from ignorant when it comes to standup.

I trained boxing between the ages of 13-15 (I never fought, but I have formal training); I trained Karate sporadically between the age of 18-20 (well, it was Tiger Schulmann’s, does that count as Karate?); from 24-28 I trained Kung Fu and from 28 to the present I’ve trained Muay Thai. I’ve trained under former regional boxing champs, black belts, Masters, and Krus.

My criticism of Machida’s standup isn’t from a lack of knowledge or experience. I know standup. My criticism has to do with personal taste. In my opinion he’s a boring fighter.

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]]> By: artelus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2844 artelus Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:49:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2844 One more comment. The criticism of Machida by Sam is an admission of his ignorance about stand-up fighting. One more comment. The criticism of Machida by Sam is an admission of his ignorance about stand-up fighting.

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]]> By: artelus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2843 artelus Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:46:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2843 I like Machida. Some people do not like his style, but I am sure everyone can admit that he is very technical. In fact people keep saying that he is unorthodox, but I submit that he is actually very orthodox. The way he moves and the way he punches and kicks are how you are supposed to do it. Maybe everyone else is just sloppy. If Jackson and Liddell would have his(Machida's) technique they would be unstoppable. They are just more naturally powerful. I like Machida. Some people do not like his style, but I am sure everyone can admit that he is very technical. In fact people keep saying that he is unorthodox, but I submit that he is actually very orthodox. The way he moves and the way he punches and kicks are how you are supposed to do it. Maybe everyone else is just sloppy. If Jackson and Liddell would have his(Machida’s) technique they would be unstoppable. They are just more naturally powerful.

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]]> By: matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2807 matt Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:51:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2807 I also believe that an in shape Shogun is better than an in shape griffin. But I dont want to take anything away from Griffin - because he is a good fighter (just no at the same level as Shogun). I think as someone who trains in Muay Thai - that I can appreciate HOW MUCH of an advantage being in excellent shape is. So remember guys - if you have to fight someone better skilled than you - just make sure you give it all in your pre-fight conditioning....you just might win - by outlasting your apponent. Thats all ill say about the griffin shogun fight - its something to learn from. I also believe that an in shape Shogun is better than an in shape griffin.
But I dont want to take anything away from Griffin – because he is a good fighter
(just no at the same level as Shogun). I think as someone who trains in Muay Thai – that I can appreciate HOW MUCH of an advantage being in excellent shape is. So remember guys – if you have to fight someone better skilled than you – just make sure you give it all in your pre-fight conditioning….you just might win – by outlasting your apponent.

Thats all ill say about the griffin shogun fight – its something to learn from.

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]]> By: badintentions http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2767 badintentions Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:53:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2767 its a blessing in disguise for rua,, i hope the next time he fight in the ufc he will be more motivated and well conditioned,,rua can beat anyone at ufc,,liddel?jardine?ortiz?jackson?machida?,,if you look at his fight with quinton, he is physically stronger than jackson,,,,that lost meant nothing,,its not a humiliating lost,if you know shogun enough you know it is not him that night,,,i also like forrest, he will fight anybody,but dont have the natural skills its a blessing in disguise for rua,, i hope the next time he fight in the ufc he will be more motivated and well conditioned,,rua can beat anyone at ufc,,liddel?jardine?ortiz?jackson?machida?,,if you look at his fight with quinton, he is physically stronger than jackson,,,,that lost meant nothing,,its not a humiliating lost,if you know shogun enough you know it is not him that night,,,i also like forrest, he will fight anybody,but dont have the natural skills

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]]> By: badintentions http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2766 badintentions Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:47:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2766 shogun is not just in good physical condition,,even in the first round he didnt fight his usual style,,in the 2nd and 3rd round even tough he is too tired he doesnt have trouble taking down forest, and if you say that forest will do it against a well conditioned shogun, think again,,i am not impresed with grifins win,,and you cant say either that ufc fighter are better than pride fighter,its just that ufc fighter where more popular beacause most of the fight are in u.s,,, shogun is not just in good physical condition,,even in the first round he didnt fight his usual style,,in the 2nd and 3rd round even tough he is too tired he doesnt have trouble taking down forest, and if you say that forest will do it against a well conditioned shogun, think again,,i am not impresed with grifins win,,and you cant say either that ufc fighter are better than pride fighter,its just that ufc fighter where more popular beacause most of the fight are in u.s,,,

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]]> By: demonianray http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2737 demonianray Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:40:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2737 Amen to that #17 Jumpman Amen to that #17 Jumpman

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]]> By: Jumpman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2719 Jumpman Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:46:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2719 Machida fights beautifully. I love to watch him. I do not understand how a true fight fan can find him to be boring. He moves like a ballet dancer and strikes like a rattlesnake (no, I'm not trying to paraphrase Ali here, that just came out that way naturally). He's also one of the very few MMA fighters that incorporate Karate heavily into their striking game, which makes his style somewhat unique. Right now he's probably as deserving as anyone in the division of a title shot. Knockouts aren't everything... Machida fights beautifully. I love to watch him. I do not understand how a true fight fan can find him to be boring. He moves like a ballet dancer and strikes like a rattlesnake (no, I’m not trying to paraphrase Ali here, that just came out that way naturally). He’s also one of the very few MMA fighters that incorporate Karate heavily into their striking game, which makes his style somewhat unique. Right now he’s probably as deserving as anyone in the division of a title shot. Knockouts aren’t everything…

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]]> By: Dan Cruickshank http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2701 Dan Cruickshank Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:59:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2701 A small error in the writing. "You know what? Fuck it. Dana, please book Silva vs. Wanderlei for UFC 79 on Dec. 29" That's not like a Street Fighter 2 mirror match where it's the fighter fighting himself, just in different clothes, is it? :) Just a heads up. -Love- your website. A small error in the writing.

“You know what? Fuck it. Dana, please book Silva vs. Wanderlei for UFC 79 on Dec. 29″

That’s not like a Street Fighter 2 mirror match where it’s the fighter fighting himself, just in different clothes, is it? :)

Just a heads up. -Love- your website.

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]]> By: demonianray http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2698 demonianray Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:41:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2698 E#11... i meant it was a technical fight overall for Machida, but at least u agree that the fight was at least mildly entertaining. Machida tried to finish twice, so people just cant go and go in a rant, cause the guy tried, and if u look up to Nakamura's record the guy is hard to finish. Machida fought a great fight and i just hope that next time he finishes so he can shut up all the senseless haters. And yes Nakamura did gas, but Machida had great counters to his judo and clinch, and if im not mistaken judo utilizes the opponent's weight to make a throw, so he could have done it, but Machida was a much better fighter and technician than Kazuhiro. E#11… i meant it was a technical fight overall for Machida, but at least u agree that the fight was at least mildly entertaining. Machida tried to finish twice, so people just cant go and go in a rant, cause the guy tried, and if u look up to Nakamura’s record the guy is hard to finish. Machida fought a great fight and i just hope that next time he finishes so he can shut up all the senseless haters. And yes Nakamura did gas, but Machida had great counters to his judo and clinch, and if im not mistaken judo utilizes the opponent’s weight to make a throw, so he could have done it, but Machida was a much better fighter and technician than Kazuhiro.

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]]> By: Ronald Langford http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2689 Ronald Langford Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:54:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2689 Just kidding Just kidding

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]]> By: Ronald Langford http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2688 Ronald Langford Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:53:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2688 I want a showdown with ladell in Newberry S.C., at the National Guard Army on Oct. 13 2007 time 7:00 p.m. est. Bring all your boys and I'll have mine. I want a showdown with ladell in Newberry S.C., at the National Guard Army on Oct. 13 2007 time 7:00 p.m. est. Bring all your boys and I’ll have mine.

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]]> By: Ronald Langford http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2685 Ronald Langford Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:49:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2685 I'm glad shogun and ladell lost better luck next time. I’m glad shogun and ladell lost better luck next time.

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]]> By: E http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2683 E Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:42:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2683 Sorry demonianray, but what part of Nakamura gassing and falling on his ass (isn't this guy supposed to be phenomenal at judo) is technical? The match was mildly entertaining, but it was mostly because Nakamura just looked so pathetic for 90% of each round (he did land a few decent shots, but most of the time it seemed like he was falling down after weakly attempting a throw). Sorry demonianray, but what part of Nakamura gassing and falling on his ass (isn’t this guy supposed to be phenomenal at judo) is technical? The match was mildly entertaining, but it was mostly because Nakamura just looked so pathetic for 90% of each round (he did land a few decent shots, but most of the time it seemed like he was falling down after weakly attempting a throw).

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]]> By: Brad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2682 Brad Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:40:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2682 I enjoyed the Machida fight. Was it a barn burner? No but Machida is amazing to watch. Nakamura is no joke and has fought alot of tough guys but Machida flat out made Nakamura look bad. Machida will never be any type of flashy fighter but I don't see how people don't enjoy the pure skill the guy has. I think Machida tried his best to finish the fight but Nakamura is just a tough guy to finish. On a side note, something that really bugged me last night was when Joe Rogan said something about how wierd the Japanese are for what they find entertaining. Sure seeing a guy walk to the cage with an umbrella doesn't really jingle my jollies but if the UFC truly wants to go international than why not embrace people like Nakamura who are attractive to a different audience? We Americans like to think everything is all about us and that only what entertains us matters (I guess this also kind of ties in with people not liking Machida's style). Look at Genki Sudo, he was huge in Japan because of his crazy entrances and things he did during fights, if the UFC had some guys like him than it could really help attract the Japanese audience and possibly get the UFC to eventually return to Japan for a PPV. I enjoyed the Machida fight. Was it a barn burner? No but Machida is amazing to watch. Nakamura is no joke and has fought alot of tough guys but Machida flat out made Nakamura look bad. Machida will never be any type of flashy fighter but I don’t see how people don’t enjoy the pure skill the guy has. I think Machida tried his best to finish the fight but Nakamura is just a tough guy to finish.

On a side note, something that really bugged me last night was when Joe Rogan said something about how wierd the Japanese are for what they find entertaining. Sure seeing a guy walk to the cage with an umbrella doesn’t really jingle my jollies but if the UFC truly wants to go international than why not embrace people like Nakamura who are attractive to a different audience? We Americans like to think everything is all about us and that only what entertains us matters (I guess this also kind of ties in with people not liking Machida’s style). Look at Genki Sudo, he was huge in Japan because of his crazy entrances and things he did during fights, if the UFC had some guys like him than it could really help attract the Japanese audience and possibly get the UFC to eventually return to Japan for a PPV.

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]]> By: demonianray http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2667 demonianray Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:18:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2667 Damn! Sam Caplan and everybody who criticiza Machida. I loved that fight and i still keep sayin that everyone who says that Machida's fight was boring isnt a real fan. Ive seen real boring fights (Kos-Diego), Jordan-Gonzaga) THOSE ARE BORING...but damn u all who present themselves as fans or wanna be fighter....goddamn learn to appreciate the sport, i loved all the ppv matches they were all entertaining to me. It was a technical fight, technical fights are not boring to me, boring fights equal two fighters who dont engage, dont shoot, hesitate, and are too tentative....I didnt see that on the Machida fight, Sam better learn how to appeciate the sport and I dont care what u answer or what ur opinion is bit ur OPINION IS WRONG. Damn! Sam Caplan and everybody who criticiza Machida. I loved that fight and i still keep sayin that everyone who says that Machida’s fight was boring isnt a real fan. Ive seen real boring fights (Kos-Diego), Jordan-Gonzaga) THOSE ARE BORING…but damn u all who present themselves as fans or wanna be fighter….goddamn learn to appreciate the sport, i loved all the ppv matches they were all entertaining to me. It was a technical fight, technical fights are not boring to me, boring fights equal two fighters who dont engage, dont shoot, hesitate, and are too tentative….I didnt see that on the Machida fight, Sam better learn how to appeciate the sport and I dont care what u answer or what ur opinion is bit ur OPINION IS WRONG.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2666 Jeremy Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:55:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2666 Absolutely fantastic night of fights, I thoroughly enjoyed it all. Ok, onto my thoughts and my thoughts on Sam's thoughts! Liddell vs. Jardine - I still understand your point Sam about not having this fight, I still don't agree with it though. They can still easily do the Silva-Liddell match. Is it as perfect a matchup as it could have been, certainly no. But it wasn't going to be that regardless of Liddell's performance tonight. Silva is still coming off 2 loses and no longer has a belt. Now Chuck is at the same level. Personally I don't care any more I just want this fight, it will never live up to the expectations or hopes, but we have to have the fight and I really don't want to wait around for it any more. Rua vs. Griffin - I think alot of people(myself included) saw Shogun coming up to this fight and not looking as in good a shape as he has been in the past. I actually predicted Griffin would win this fight mainly based on how I thought Shogun looked. The marriage thing wasn't even in my thinking. He just didn't look physically right to me and I thought he might gas or just not be as aggressive as usual. Therefore I thought Forrest might be able to press his pace and get a decision, the choke out just made it sweeter for Griffin. I know these Pride fighters are great fighters and deserve all the recognition they have gotten. But the UFC is different than Pride(for whatever reason you want to come up with) and it doesn't seem like many of them have made the adjustment properly to fighting in the UFC. It really looks and feels like they think everything will be the same for them. They come in and do what they do and win. Well it's not that way, the fighters already in the UFC are really game planning well and have very diversified games. I really feel they need to bring their camps or move to camps here in the U.S. and train with and live in the environment they are going to be fighting in. I actually think it will be very interesting to see how Wanderlei Silva does in his debut because I actually think he is doing things right by moving to the states and training here and at times with XtremeCouture. Fitch vs. Sanchez - It was a good fight and certainly didn't really surprise me in any way. I liked what I saw from both fighters Fitch just one the fight. It seemed like his wrestling and strength was just too much for Diego on the night. I don't think Diego needs to move down to lightweight. There is no shame in losing his last two fights and with as stacked as the welterweight division is you are going to lose fights. Machida vs. Nakamura - Not much to add here, besides the fact that Machida was actually more aggressive and it was still semi-boring. They need to keep feeding him fights and hope he explodes one day. Tavares vs. Griffin - I really thought Thiago won this fight. I gave it to him 29-28 winning the second and third rounds. Tremendous fight overall and I can't wait to see these two again. With Huerta, Guida, Griffin, Tavares, Lauzon, Florian, and so on and so on.......the lightweight divison is just sick with young talent and they put on the best fights. Absolutely fantastic night of fights, I thoroughly enjoyed it all. Ok, onto my thoughts and my thoughts on Sam’s thoughts!

Liddell vs. Jardine
- I still understand your point Sam about not having this fight, I still don’t agree with it though. They can still easily do the Silva-Liddell match. Is it as perfect a matchup as it could have been, certainly no. But it wasn’t going to be that regardless of Liddell’s performance tonight. Silva is still coming off 2 loses and no longer has a belt. Now Chuck is at the same level. Personally I don’t care any more I just want this fight, it will never live up to the expectations or hopes, but we have to have the fight and I really don’t want to wait around for it any more.

Rua vs. Griffin
- I think alot of people(myself included) saw Shogun coming up to this fight and not looking as in good a shape as he has been in the past. I actually predicted Griffin would win this fight mainly based on how I thought Shogun looked. The marriage thing wasn’t even in my thinking. He just didn’t look physically right to me and I thought he might gas or just not be as aggressive as usual. Therefore I thought Forrest might be able to press his pace and get a decision, the choke out just made it sweeter for Griffin.

I know these Pride fighters are great fighters and deserve all the recognition they have gotten. But the UFC is different than Pride(for whatever reason you want to come up with) and it doesn’t seem like many of them have made the adjustment properly to fighting in the UFC. It really looks and feels like they think everything will be the same for them. They come in and do what they do and win. Well it’s not that way, the fighters already in the UFC are really game planning well and have very diversified games. I really feel they need to bring their camps or move to camps here in the U.S. and train with and live in the environment they are going to be fighting in. I actually think it will be very interesting to see how Wanderlei Silva does in his debut because I actually think he is doing things right by moving to the states and training here and at times with XtremeCouture.

Fitch vs. Sanchez
- It was a good fight and certainly didn’t really surprise me in any way. I liked what I saw from both fighters Fitch just one the fight. It seemed like his wrestling and strength was just too much for Diego on the night. I don’t think Diego needs to move down to lightweight. There is no shame in losing his last two fights and with as stacked as the welterweight division is you are going to lose fights.

Machida vs. Nakamura
- Not much to add here, besides the fact that Machida was actually more aggressive and it was still semi-boring. They need to keep feeding him fights and hope he explodes one day.

Tavares vs. Griffin
- I really thought Thiago won this fight. I gave it to him 29-28 winning the second and third rounds. Tremendous fight overall and I can’t wait to see these two again. With Huerta, Guida, Griffin, Tavares, Lauzon, Florian, and so on and so on…….the lightweight divison is just sick with young talent and they put on the best fights.

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]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2665 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:20:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2665 Wait, who do you want to fight Wanderlei Silva? It sounds like you're proposing a mirror match. Wait, who do you want to fight Wanderlei Silva?

It sounds like you’re proposing a mirror match.

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]]> By: robnashville http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-2663 robnashville Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:32:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/23/ufc-76-post-show-thoughts-on-jardine-and-griffin-upsets-and-more/#comment-2663 The Machida fight was kinda boring, but he was at least trying to push the action, the biggest snoozer fight for me was Fitch-Diego. Fitch just did nothing at all to push the action, typical wrestler mentality of get some riding time, keep dominant position and get to the pay window. There is a reason all of these wrestler's have to take up MMA, it is because that mentality was box office poison to the ticket buying public. The only times the match even remotely raised my interest were when Diego was trying to work a sub. How you found the fitch match any more interesting than the Lyoto-Nak fight is head scratching. The Machida fight was kinda boring, but he was at least trying to push the action, the biggest snoozer fight for me was Fitch-Diego. Fitch just did nothing at all to push the action, typical wrestler mentality of get some riding time, keep dominant position and get to the pay window. There is a reason all of these wrestler’s have to take up MMA, it is because that mentality was box office poison to the ticket buying public. The only times the match even remotely raised my interest were when Diego was trying to work a sub. How you found the fitch match any more interesting than the Lyoto-Nak fight is head scratching.

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