Comments on: More random ranting: Compustrike and Gina Carano’s weight http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:39:20 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: jen http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-30100 jen Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:31:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-30100 I want to see mandy fuck up gina's face. then we'll see how marketable she is. mandy (buckner) is a solid fighter, and makes her name by doing just that. she doesn't have to shake her ass and get breast implants to build her likeability. I want to see mandy fuck up gina’s face. then we’ll see how marketable she is. mandy (buckner) is a solid fighter, and makes her name by doing just that. she doesn’t have to shake her ass and get breast implants to build her likeability.

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]]> By: VJ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-29622 VJ Fri, 30 May 2008 20:51:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-29622 Gina Carano signed a fight agreement well in advance of today's weigh in. Professional fighters make weight. Gina Carano signed a fight agreement well in advance of today’s weigh in. Professional fighters make weight.

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]]> By: bob canobbio http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-4664 bob canobbio Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:30:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-4664 Sam: thanks for mentioning CompuStrike in your Sept. 26 blog. I just wanted to comment on a few of your observations. The CompuStrike program, still evolving, counts leg strikes thrown and landed (leg strikes being kicks and knees), so I'm confused by your comment "does CompuStrike even take kicking into account)?..also the CompuStrike program, and I can't emphasize this point enough, is in no way (as mentioned in Mr. Mohapatra's column) designed to score a MMA fight. The stats are just a barometer of a fighter's activity. The CompuStrike program takes into account wrestling and jiu-jitsu skills by tabulating takedowns and submission attempts We are currently enhancing the CompuStrike program to distinguish "clinch strikes landed" from "power strikes landed", that is strikes landed while not in a clinch. We'd welcome any suggestions you, or anyone in the MMA community may have as to how we can improve the CompuStrike program.. Bob Canobbio CompuBox/CompuStrike President Sam: thanks for mentioning CompuStrike in your Sept. 26 blog. I just wanted to comment on a few of your observations. The CompuStrike program, still evolving, counts leg strikes thrown and landed (leg strikes being kicks and knees), so I’m confused by your comment “does CompuStrike even take kicking into account)?..also the CompuStrike program, and I can’t emphasize this point enough, is in no way (as mentioned in Mr. Mohapatra’s column) designed to score a MMA fight. The stats are just a barometer of a fighter’s activity. The CompuStrike program takes into account wrestling and jiu-jitsu skills by tabulating takedowns and submission attempts We are currently enhancing the CompuStrike program to distinguish “clinch strikes landed” from “power strikes landed”, that is strikes landed while not in a clinch. We’d welcome any suggestions you, or anyone in the MMA community may have as to how we can improve the CompuStrike program..

Bob Canobbio
CompuBox/CompuStrike
President

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]]> By: Hywel Teague [FIGHTERS ONLY MAGAZINE] http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2917 Hywel Teague [FIGHTERS ONLY MAGAZINE] Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:24:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2917 Gina has failed to make weight in FOUR fights, not two. Sexton, Maxwell, Kedzie, Evinger. Gina has failed to make weight in FOUR fights, not two.

Sexton,
Maxwell,
Kedzie,
Evinger.

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]]> By: kentyman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2894 kentyman Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:10:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2894 I want Breen to chime in and debate with Sam... I want Breen to chime in and debate with Sam…

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]]> By: Newsflash: Yves Edwards, Anderi Arlovsky, ICON, Gina Carano, Hendo i inne at MMA Blog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2869 Newsflash: Yves Edwards, Anderi Arlovsky, ICON, Gina Carano, Hendo i inne at MMA Blog Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:11:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2869 [...] wygl?da?a jak ?mier? na wa?eniu przed EliteXC: Uprising? 5oz wyja?nia, ?e wycinka u kobiet jest znacznie trudniejsza, poniewa? facet ma wi?cej wody w organi?mie. Dodatkowo Gina mia?a okres. Efekt i tak by? [...] [...] wygl?da?a jak ?mier? na wa?eniu przed EliteXC: Uprising? 5oz wyja?nia, ?e wycinka u kobiet jest znacznie trudniejsza, poniewa? facet ma wi?cej wody w organi?mie. Dodatkowo Gina mia?a okres. Efekt i tak by? [...]

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]]> By: Don http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2849 Don Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:52:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2849 Sam, that kind of candor about not having perfect knowledge about everything, and always wanting to learn, is one of the many things I love about your coverage of MMA. I'm also far from an expert on female fighters, but I don't need to be one to observe Gina is nowhere near top 5 :) btw The women's division is the one area I feel Bodog deserves the most credit, both bringing in top talent and treating them with respect. EliteXC should emulate them but instead appear content with their sideshow Carano showcase division. Sam, that kind of candor about not having perfect knowledge about everything, and always wanting to learn, is one of the many things I love about your coverage of MMA. I’m also far from an expert on female fighters, but I don’t need to be one to observe Gina is nowhere near top 5 :)

btw The women’s division is the one area I feel Bodog deserves the most credit, both bringing in top talent and treating them with respect. EliteXC should emulate them but instead appear content with their sideshow Carano showcase division.

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2846 Adam Morgan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:53:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2846 Gina's hot as hell. End of story. Gina’s hot as hell. End of story.

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]]> By: ilostmydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2836 ilostmydog Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:17:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2836 Why blame the org? Gina is a professional, yet she continues to accept fights at a weight that she must know she can't make. She's missed weight more times in her professional career than she's made it, and the whole Rosi Sexton debacle was just about the most infuriating moment ever in women's MMA. Anyways, I've found a post where Amanda Buckner comments on this issue: Amanda Buckner: It's irrelevant that Gina was willing to fight someone heavier, that's her own choice. She had already fought Elaina and was obviously comfortable with how her strength and size compared. I'm unclear at this point if she weighs 140 or 145 but if she's close to 140 she should have had no problem making the weight for the Kedzie fight and if she's 145 she shouldn't be taking fights at 135 unless she knows she can make the weight which she obviously couldn't in the case of Rosi. The Rosi situation sucked in my opinion because Rosi is small, (I'm small for 135 and she's even smaller than me), and I'm sure was under weight. For Gina to cut and only be able to make 139 means she was between five and ten pounds heavier by the time they fought. Gina is skilled and it's crazy to think that wouldn't make a difference. I'm not even saying that it changed the outcome of the fight because I haven't seen it and have no idea what it looked like. Rosi is a game fighter and of course she was going to choose to fight, but is sucks that she was put in the position of having to make that choice. In my mind it's very clear cut, agree to a weight and then make the weight. Obvioulsy most people are going to give you the extra if you don't make it but it's disrespectful to make them have to do it. Rick - there is one small thing you said that I just have to address. You made a comment that said obviously other fighters were going to want their shot at Gina now before her ground game catches up. I think you are doing a huge disservice to alot of the women in the fighting community and greatly underestimating the fighting spirit, for lack of a better term, of alot of the women fighters to assume that people are wanting to fight her before she gets to good. I for one would rather fight her once she has trained the ground for a longer period of time because if we fight and I happen to catch her in a submission I wouldn't want to hear any crap about how she's newer to the ground game. I would want her at her best and I know most of the top tier women probably feel the same. The only other thing I have to say on this topic is that the three minute rounds in the Kedzie/Carano were bullshit no matter how you look at it. Either they did it because they are women which is crap or they did it because Carano is a striker and it is common knowledge that shorter rounds favor strikers. We'll never know if it had an effect in this fight or not , Kedzie was in trouble at the end of round one but Carano was on the bottom of a solid side control at the end of round two. But like I said, it's crap that their fight was the only one on the card that was three minute rounds. I don't want anyone to misinterpret anything I'm saying to be negative about Gina. I think she is an amazing addition to womens mma and if strikers of her level are getting interested in mma it makes me hopeful that others will follow which will elevate the womens scene to a whole new level. Why blame the org? Gina is a professional, yet she continues to accept fights at a weight that she must know she can’t make. She’s missed weight more times in her professional career than she’s made it, and the whole Rosi Sexton debacle was just about the most infuriating moment ever in women’s MMA. Anyways, I’ve found a post where Amanda Buckner comments on this issue:

Amanda Buckner:

It’s irrelevant that Gina was willing to fight someone heavier, that’s her own choice. She had already fought Elaina and was obviously comfortable with how her strength and size compared. I’m unclear at this point if she weighs 140 or 145 but if she’s close to 140 she should have had no problem making the weight for the Kedzie fight and if she’s 145 she shouldn’t be taking fights at 135 unless she knows she can make the weight which she obviously couldn’t in the case of Rosi. The Rosi situation sucked in my opinion because Rosi is small, (I’m small for 135 and she’s even smaller than me), and I’m sure was under weight. For Gina to cut and only be able to make 139 means she was between five and ten pounds heavier by the time they fought. Gina is skilled and it’s crazy to think that wouldn’t make a difference. I’m not even saying that it changed the outcome of the fight because I haven’t seen it and have no idea what it looked like. Rosi is a game fighter and of course she was going to choose to fight, but is sucks that she was put in the position of having to make that choice. In my mind it’s very clear cut, agree to a weight and then make the weight. Obvioulsy most people are going to give you the extra if you don’t make it but it’s disrespectful to make them have to do it.
Rick – there is one small thing you said that I just have to address. You made a comment that said obviously other fighters were going to want their shot at Gina now before her ground game catches up. I think you are doing a huge disservice to alot of the women in the fighting community and greatly underestimating the fighting spirit, for lack of a better term, of alot of the women fighters to assume that people are wanting to fight her before she gets to good. I for one would rather fight her once she has trained the ground for a longer period of time because if we fight and I happen to catch her in a submission I wouldn’t want to hear any crap about how she’s newer to the ground game. I would want her at her best and I know most of the top tier women probably feel the same.

The only other thing I have to say on this topic is that the three minute rounds in the Kedzie/Carano were bullshit no matter how you look at it. Either they did it because they are women which is crap or they did it because Carano is a striker and it is common knowledge that shorter rounds favor strikers. We’ll never know if it had an effect in this fight or not , Kedzie was in trouble at the end of round one but Carano was on the bottom of a solid side control at the end of round two. But like I said, it’s crap that their fight was the only one on the card that was three minute rounds.

I don’t want anyone to misinterpret anything I’m saying to be negative about Gina. I think she is an amazing addition to womens mma and if strikers of her level are getting interested in mma it makes me hopeful that others will follow which will elevate the womens scene to a whole new level.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/comment-page-1/#comment-2830 Sam Caplan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:38:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/more-random-ranting-compustrike-and-gina-caranos-weight/#comment-2830 Don: I definitely could be wrong about Gina's ranking. I will be honest in letting everyone know that I consider my biggest weakness when it comes to MMA knowledge is the Japanese MMA scene outside of K-1. I'm not familiar with most Japanese female fighters and I'm working on trying to learn more about Shooto and DEEP because I realize that's where a lot of the top talent is at 135 lbs. and 145 lbs in the male divisions. I feel like I could tell you about a lot of obscure fighters fighting in California, the Midwest, and the Northeast, but I'm weak when it comes to the smaller promotions in Japan. I am working though on watching YouTube footage of Shooto and DEEP and trying to reach as much as I can. Don:

I definitely could be wrong about Gina’s ranking. I will be honest in letting everyone know that I consider my biggest weakness when it comes to MMA knowledge is the Japanese MMA scene outside of K-1. I’m not familiar with most Japanese female fighters and I’m working on trying to learn more about Shooto and DEEP because I realize that’s where a lot of the top talent is at 135 lbs. and 145 lbs in the male divisions.

I feel like I could tell you about a lot of obscure fighters fighting in California, the Midwest, and the Northeast, but I’m weak when it comes to the smaller promotions in Japan. I am working though on watching YouTube footage of Shooto and DEEP and trying to reach as much as I can.

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