Comments on: Random Rant: Why I contacted Jerry Millen for comment http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: hbdale309 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2877 hbdale309 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:40:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2877 Thanks for the update on Jerry Millen, Sam. I was really curious as to what the man was up to these days. He was everywhere up until the UFC bought Pride, and then he vanished. I believe the piece warranted an "Exclusive" title. Thanks again. Thanks for the update on Jerry Millen, Sam. I was really curious as to what the man was up to these days. He was everywhere up until the UFC bought Pride, and then he vanished.

I believe the piece warranted an “Exclusive” title. Thanks again.

]]> By: GB http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2855 GB Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:16:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2855 Jerry Millen will never accomplish what Dana White has in MMA and yet I thought the interview and the decision to contact him were spot on. I believe that for my money 5 oz. of Pain is the best website covering MMA these days. If Zach Arnold, whose articles I also enjoy, wants some names, how about these: Pro-UFC: Kevin Iole Anti-UFC (and especially anti-Dana White): FightOpinion (a great site as well but they could do away with the extreme bias against Zuffa) and Zach Arnold Jerry Millen will never accomplish what Dana White has in MMA and yet I thought the interview and the decision to contact him were spot on. I believe that for my money 5 oz. of Pain is the best website covering MMA these days. If Zach Arnold, whose articles I also enjoy, wants some names, how about these:

Pro-UFC: Kevin Iole
Anti-UFC (and especially anti-Dana White): FightOpinion (a great site as well but they could do away with the extreme bias against Zuffa) and Zach Arnold

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2832 Evan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:40:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2832 Call me crazy but I have always been curious exactly what happened to him. I didn't take a single thing seriously he ever said but I wanted to know anyway. He is a microcosm of bad PRIDE business decisions. Like it or not he is a part of the storied history. A bad part but a significant part. Every time you heard his name it sparked thought and emotion, obviously it still does now. I always assumed he was under some gag order to keep his mouth shut as part of some sort of finishing touch to his contract with PRIDE when Zuffa took over. I was wrong and I am glad to know that. Think about how much was written and discussed about him during the end of PRIDE. I am glad a follow up was done and now I never have to think about him again. Call me crazy but I have always been curious exactly what happened to him. I didn’t take a single thing seriously he ever said but I wanted to know anyway.

He is a microcosm of bad PRIDE business decisions. Like it or not he is a part of the storied history. A bad part but a significant part. Every time you heard his name it sparked thought and emotion, obviously it still does now. I always assumed he was under some gag order to keep his mouth shut as part of some sort of finishing touch to his contract with PRIDE when Zuffa took over. I was wrong and I am glad to know that. Think about how much was written and discussed about him during the end of PRIDE. I am glad a follow up was done and now I never have to think about him again.

]]> By: Gygax http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2826 Gygax Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:52:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2826 Fair enough Sam. I feel your traffic was due to the overall quality content of your site, not the presence of a Millen interview in particular. 5oz is always a daily stop on my web travels. I just feel giving this non-talent any more exposure is just not necessary. Just because a guy talks a big game (see Manny Reyes Jr.) does not mean we should continue giving him press. Let him get a legitimate job back in MMA before we hear from him again. I'd rather hear the opinions of guys like Bas, Mauro, or Stephen, guys Millen directly screwed with his lack of competency. Fair enough Sam. I feel your traffic was due to the overall quality content of your site, not the presence of a Millen interview in particular. 5oz is always a daily stop on my web travels. I just feel giving this non-talent any more exposure is just not necessary. Just because a guy talks a big game (see Manny Reyes Jr.) does not mean we should continue giving him press. Let him get a legitimate job back in MMA before we hear from him again. I’d rather hear the opinions of guys like Bas, Mauro, or Stephen, guys Millen directly screwed with his lack of competency.

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2823 Sam Caplan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:36:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2823 Gygax, if Zach gave me a breaking news story that he wasn't going to report on his own site or give anyone else, I would put an exclusive up there in the title. Did Jerry break news? No. But considering he was once Dana's arch-rival and hasn't spoken much lately, I felt it was worthy of an exclusive because I knew his comments would be over interest to people. Based on our traffic yesterday, I feel validated that his comments were of interest to many people, making it news worthy. Neal, in hindsight, I probably could have left the potshot out. Gygax, if Zach gave me a breaking news story that he wasn’t going to report on his own site or give anyone else, I would put an exclusive up there in the title.

Did Jerry break news? No. But considering he was once Dana’s arch-rival and hasn’t spoken much lately, I felt it was worthy of an exclusive because I knew his comments would be over interest to people. Based on our traffic yesterday, I feel validated that his comments were of interest to many people, making it news worthy.

Neal, in hindsight, I probably could have left the potshot out.

]]> By: NealTaflinger http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2822 NealTaflinger Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:17:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2822 The only problem I have with it is including Millen's pot shots at White. I am interested in what Millen thinks of the UFC matchmaking, business model, why Pride failed, etc, but I don't give a fuck about his personal feelings for Dana White or anyone else for that matter. The only problem I have with it is including Millen’s pot shots at White. I am interested in what Millen thinks of the UFC matchmaking, business model, why Pride failed, etc, but I don’t give a fuck about his personal feelings for Dana White or anyone else for that matter.

]]> By: Zach Arnold http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2820 Zach Arnold Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:35:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2820 <blockquote><i>If you were to interview Zach Arnold, would you put up a big thing saying its an exclusive?</i></blockquote> If someone was to show proper respect, why yes, yes they would. :)

If you were to interview Zach Arnold, would you put up a big thing saying its an exclusive?

If someone was to show proper respect, why yes, yes they would. :)

]]> By: Gygax http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2819 Gygax Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:22:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2819 Sam, the bigger problem most have with the Millen interview is this. What makes him qualified to comment on any of this? He was a producer of the Pride TV brand (this clearly does not make him an expert in MMA, just TV) and when he recieved a Vice President title, he was clearly unqualified and had very little to do with the success of Pride. If anything, any input he had helped further the demise of the brand. The guy took all the credit for apparently convincing management to sign Diaz and match Hendo up with Wanderlei. Yet subsequent interviews with those fighters have shown he had little to do with anything. He was merely a figurehead with no background in MMA and very little input into the actual dealings of Pride. Swearing up and down that he had been on the phone with Japan and that no deal was coming just a few days before the infamous Roppongi Hills Arena press conference just showed how out of touch he was with the actual dealings of the Pride brand. By making this a big deal and saying its an exclusive with this guy, your legitimizing his "expert" status, something I don't believe he deserves. Ask Bas, Mauro, or Stephen what Millen is an expert at. To me, it has nothing to do with whether or not you are showing all sides of the pro and anti-UFC debate. Its more about legitimizing the opinion of someone who is simply not qualified to have his opinion emblazoned like that. His opinion is no more important than the average MMA blogger IMO. If you were to interview Zach Arnold, would you put up a big thing saying its an exclusive? Too many guys from within the MMA community have exposed this guy for being nothing more than a job seeking leech. Thus the outcry. Sam, the bigger problem most have with the Millen interview is this. What makes him qualified to comment on any of this? He was a producer of the Pride TV brand (this clearly does not make him an expert in MMA, just TV) and when he recieved a Vice President title, he was clearly unqualified and had very little to do with the success of Pride. If anything, any input he had helped further the demise of the brand. The guy took all the credit for apparently convincing management to sign Diaz and match Hendo up with Wanderlei. Yet subsequent interviews with those fighters have shown he had little to do with anything. He was merely a figurehead with no background in MMA and very little input into the actual dealings of Pride. Swearing up and down that he had been on the phone with Japan and that no deal was coming just a few days before the infamous Roppongi Hills Arena press conference just showed how out of touch he was with the actual dealings of the Pride brand.

By making this a big deal and saying its an exclusive with this guy, your legitimizing his “expert” status, something I don’t believe he deserves. Ask Bas, Mauro, or Stephen what Millen is an expert at. To me, it has nothing to do with whether or not you are showing all sides of the pro and anti-UFC debate. Its more about legitimizing the opinion of someone who is simply not qualified to have his opinion emblazoned like that. His opinion is no more important than the average MMA blogger IMO. If you were to interview Zach Arnold, would you put up a big thing saying its an exclusive? Too many guys from within the MMA community have exposed this guy for being nothing more than a job seeking leech.

Thus the outcry.

]]> By: douggie http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2817 douggie Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:16:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2817 SORRY, meant to put 'hardly' readresses the balance. The omission of this wordconstrues that I am i favour of Jerry Millen (which I am not). Thanks. p.s. great website SORRY, meant to put ‘hardly’ readresses the balance. The omission of this wordconstrues that I am i favour of Jerry Millen (which I am not).

Thanks.

p.s. great website

]]> By: douggie http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2816 douggie Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:13:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2816 Whilst I agree that a balanced, objective view/analysis of mma and its organisations is paramont to maintaining the high standards of the sport and undercutting organisational propaganda, consulting a figure such as Jerry Millen- a man who has never been particulary proffesional in his dealings and treatment of co-workers- readdresses the balance of a topic. Whilst I agree that a balanced, objective view/analysis of mma and its organisations is paramont to maintaining the high standards of the sport and undercutting organisational propaganda, consulting a figure such as Jerry Millen- a man who has never been particulary proffesional in his dealings and treatment of co-workers- readdresses the balance of a topic.

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2812 Sam Caplan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:14:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2812 Zach, I'll repeat my question: what does my boasting of making claims of covering the UFC objectively have to do with not naming names? The point of my rant wasn't to name names, it was to defend this site's position for asking Jerry Millen for comment in regard to how the UFC handled Silva vs. Liddell when it's been critical of how PRIDE handled the situation. People posted public comment and a lot of people e-mailed me asking the question. I felt they deserved an explanation. The rant was an explanation and I don't see why you are insistent I post my naughty and nice MMA blog/website list? I'm here to cover MMA, not cover MMA journalism. I briefly delved into how some sites cover Dana White because I feel like I was put on the defensive. There's nothing more to it than that. Furthermore, I think anyone who is a regular reader of MMA sites can pretty much gather which sites or journalists I was alluding to. Do I really need to spell it out? I'll make a deal with you: e-mail me and tell me off the record why you really want me to name names and I'll name names off the record? Zach, I’ll repeat my question: what does my boasting of making claims of covering the UFC objectively have to do with not naming names?

The point of my rant wasn’t to name names, it was to defend this site’s position for asking Jerry Millen for comment in regard to how the UFC handled Silva vs. Liddell when it’s been critical of how PRIDE handled the situation.

People posted public comment and a lot of people e-mailed me asking the question. I felt they deserved an explanation. The rant was an explanation and I don’t see why you are insistent I post my naughty and nice MMA blog/website list?

I’m here to cover MMA, not cover MMA journalism. I briefly delved into how some sites cover Dana White because I feel like I was put on the defensive. There’s nothing more to it than that.

Furthermore, I think anyone who is a regular reader of MMA sites can pretty much gather which sites or journalists I was alluding to. Do I really need to spell it out?

I’ll make a deal with you: e-mail me and tell me off the record why you really want me to name names and I’ll name names off the record?

]]> By: Zach Arnold http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2810 Zach Arnold Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:55:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2810 You're framing your site (as per your vision) as objective and in an earlier post, you named sites like Bloody Elbow and Sprawl 'n Brawl. So, if you're going to name names of sites that you consider likeminded, then name names when you are framing an argument about pro-UFC or anti-UFC sites. You’re framing your site (as per your vision) as objective and in an earlier post, you named sites like Bloody Elbow and Sprawl ‘n Brawl. So, if you’re going to name names of sites that you consider likeminded, then name names when you are framing an argument about pro-UFC or anti-UFC sites.

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2809 Sam Caplan Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:01:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2809 Zach, what does boasting about making claims of covering the UFC objectively have to do with not naming names? Zach, what does boasting about making claims of covering the UFC objectively have to do with not naming names?

]]> By: Zach Arnold http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-2808 Zach Arnold Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:08:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/26/random-rant-why-i-contacted-jerry-millen-for-comment/#comment-2808 You're beating your chest here about looking at UFC objectively while making general remarks about other sites that are pro-UFC or anti-UFC. Start naming names. You’re beating your chest here about looking at UFC objectively while making general remarks about other sites that are pro-UFC or anti-UFC.

Start naming names.

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