Comments on: Chuck Liddell’s trainer, John Hackleman, calls me a moron and more fun with audio http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 14:13:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Fightlinker » Blog Archive » Mr Sunshine is ‘aight with me http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-3317 Fightlinker » Blog Archive » Mr Sunshine is ‘aight with me Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-3317 [...] of Sam Caplan ripping on Chuck Liddell’s performance and played it back for John Hackelman. Hijinx ensued. So in general I’m happy that we’ve got a guy like Steve who has good access through [...] [...] of Sam Caplan ripping on Chuck Liddell’s performance and played it back for John Hackelman. Hijinx ensued. So in general I’m happy that we’ve got a guy like Steve who has good access through [...]

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]]> By: skatanicus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-3106 skatanicus Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:16:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-3106 Well, Chuck definitely didn't check the leg kicks like he should have, but that wasn't the only thing wrong with his game plan. I agree with what a lot of people have said about Chuck, that he was too scared of getting knocked out, it's good to be cautious but he overdid it. That was late in the fight, whereas early he was doing well and maybe should have gone all out at least 2 seconds at a time- some hard flurries could have gotten Chuck the win, but he didn't seem focused and I don't know how much Hackleman is to blame, really. Chuck had everything he needed to win, sure he could have had more, and I was initially inclined to blame Hackleman at least partially, but now I see the Liddell vs. Jardine fight as proof that a fighter's mentality going into a fight will greatly effect the outcome. Well, Chuck definitely didn’t check the leg kicks like he should have, but that wasn’t the only thing wrong with his game plan. I agree with what a lot of people have said about Chuck, that he was too scared of getting knocked out, it’s good to be cautious but he overdid it. That was late in the fight, whereas early he was doing well and maybe should have gone all out at least 2 seconds at a time- some hard flurries could have gotten Chuck the win, but he didn’t seem focused and I don’t know how much Hackleman is to blame, really. Chuck had everything he needed to win, sure he could have had more, and I was initially inclined to blame Hackleman at least partially, but now I see the Liddell vs. Jardine fight as proof that a fighter’s mentality going into a fight will greatly effect the outcome.

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]]> By: UFC Results http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-3090 UFC Results Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:22:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-3090 I agree that Chuck could have had a better game plan going in, but I also agree with Hackleman that the kicks were not the make or break. In the fight that I saw (we all see them differently) the scoring was very close. It was Chuck not comitting to his punches after he had Jardine stunned or hurt which hurt Chuck most. I think Liddell was hesitent after his KO loss to Rampage. If this was any of Chucks 5 or 6 fights before Jardine he would have finished him in the 1st when he had Jardine moving backwards. I agree that Chuck could have had a better game plan going in, but I also agree with Hackleman that the kicks were not the make or break. In the fight that I saw (we all see them differently) the scoring was very close. It was Chuck not comitting to his punches after he had Jardine stunned or hurt which hurt Chuck most. I think Liddell was hesitent after his KO loss to Rampage. If this was any of Chucks 5 or 6 fights before Jardine he would have finished him in the 1st when he had Jardine moving backwards.

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]]> By: Brent http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2911 Brent Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:49:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2911 OK - good luck - I hope somebody films and posts the fights - I want to see how everyone is progressing... OK – good luck – I hope somebody films and posts the fights – I want to see how everyone is progressing…

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2909 Sam Caplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:59:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2909 No way. I don't think I could hang in a USKBA-sanctioned tourney at this point. I'd be one and done. One minute and done, at that. I was referring to the Nov. 17 Smoker that Brad supposedly is having at the Jersey school. No way. I don’t think I could hang in a USKBA-sanctioned tourney at this point. I’d be one and done. One minute and done, at that.

I was referring to the Nov. 17 Smoker that Brad supposedly is having at the Jersey school.

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]]> By: Brent http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2906 Brent Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:02:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2906 Pitmaster calling you a moron = Sam Caplan is an official MMA fixture. "You've come a long way baby." What show will you be fighting at Sam? USKBA sanctioned? Pitmaster calling you a moron = Sam Caplan is an official MMA fixture.

“You’ve come a long way baby.”

What show will you be fighting at Sam? USKBA sanctioned?

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2903 Sam Caplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:19:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2903 <p>Matt, I agree with you 100%. Even the part about my delivery.</p> Matt, I agree with you 100%. Even the part about my delivery.

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]]> By: Matt Boone http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2902 Matt Boone Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:11:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2902 I hate when people pull rank like that. It's a cop-out of a defense. You simply pointed out, as a journalist (which is your job) your opinion of the fight and broke down specifically why you felt he lost - ALSO your job. I'll admit you came off a bit ....I don't even know the word, but it didn't come off good. You went overboard in explaining it I guess is the best way to sum it up. Almost as if you could have done better - at least in that one regard (defending leg kicks). Regardless, when all they can say is "get in there and see if you can do any better" - that's horse shit. Bisping did it recently to a writer at a post-presser too. How dare we even come up with unofficial rankings if that's the case. We've never fought everyone in every weight class to know first-hand who ranks where and why. How dare we have an opinion! How dare we express it! They fight for a living, we analyze fights for a living. Seems like simple math to me. I would always love watching Larry Merchant out-wit George Foreman on HBO commentary when Foreman could only fall back on "you don't know Larry, you've never been in there." Just my opinion, I hope I'm entitled to it, lately I'm not so sure. I hate when people pull rank like that. It’s a cop-out of a defense. You simply pointed out, as a journalist (which is your job) your opinion of the fight and broke down specifically why you felt he lost – ALSO your job. I’ll admit you came off a bit ….I don’t even know the word, but it didn’t come off good. You went overboard in explaining it I guess is the best way to sum it up. Almost as if you could have done better – at least in that one regard (defending leg kicks). Regardless, when all they can say is “get in there and see if you can do any better” – that’s horse shit. Bisping did it recently to a writer at a post-presser too. How dare we even come up with unofficial rankings if that’s the case. We’ve never fought everyone in every weight class to know first-hand who ranks where and why. How dare we have an opinion! How dare we express it! They fight for a living, we analyze fights for a living. Seems like simple math to me. I would always love watching Larry Merchant out-wit George Foreman on HBO commentary when Foreman could only fall back on “you don’t know Larry, you’ve never been in there.” Just my opinion, I hope I’m entitled to it, lately I’m not so sure.

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]]> By: Billy Gamble http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2893 Billy Gamble Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:51:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2893 Sam your making friends wherver you go. Kettlebells? We use propane tanks down here in Texas son. It keeps you from dropping the tank on the ground. Sam your making friends wherver you go. Kettlebells? We use propane tanks down here in Texas son. It keeps you from dropping the tank on the ground.

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]]> By: SpiderSilva http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2892 SpiderSilva Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:50:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2892 No, I'm just giving you crap. I enjoy your blog & your articles in Fight Mag. No, I’m just giving you crap. I enjoy your blog & your articles in Fight Mag.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2890 Sam Caplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:38:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2890 LOL. Thanks for the support "SpiderSilva." LOL. Thanks for the support “SpiderSilva.”

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]]> By: SpiderSilva http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2889 SpiderSilva Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:35:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2889 Sam, You're right, in fact I think that Kobe Bryant should start asking junior high school basketball players advice on how do improve his game. I agree with Hackleman, you are a moron. Maybe you should call Gary Millen & see if he agrees with you. Sam,
You’re right, in fact I think that Kobe Bryant should start asking junior high school basketball players advice on how do improve his game. I agree with Hackleman, you are a moron. Maybe you should call Gary Millen & see if he agrees with you.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2885 Sam Caplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:14:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2885 Casey, no prob. I'm actually glad Hackleman made those comments about me because it lit a fire under me. I've been training more and am thinking about increasing further so I can fight way earlier than I planned (maybe Nov. 17). I was only going to go to a BJJ class tonight but I am thinking about going to my first kettlebells class afterwards. I've been too much of a wuss to try kettlebells because everyone says how hard the workout is. But now I'm like, I need to get my ass in there. Casey, no prob.

I’m actually glad Hackleman made those comments about me because it lit a fire under me. I’ve been training more and am thinking about increasing further so I can fight way earlier than I planned (maybe Nov. 17). I was only going to go to a BJJ class tonight but I am thinking about going to my first kettlebells class afterwards. I’ve been too much of a wuss to try kettlebells because everyone says how hard the workout is. But now I’m like, I need to get my ass in there.

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]]> By: Casey Trowbridge http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2884 Casey Trowbridge Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:09:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2884 Sam, thanks for the plug. For anyone that listens, I mentioned this before and after the interview but it is worth saying again, it would've been longer but technology has not been a friend of our site over the past week. Dan was on his cell phone and cut out just after the talk moved to Angle and we tried a number of times to get him back but it was not to be. As for the Hackleman comments I'm sorry but the "walk in my shoes" kind of argument for deflecting a type of criticism is one I've always had a hard time accepting as valid. I didn't hear your comments on the radio but I did read your post on the subject and thought you made some good points. I wouldn't have thought them any less valid if you'd never been inside a cage in your life. In my view his response was weak and more out of frustration than anything. Sam, thanks for the plug. For anyone that listens, I mentioned this before and after the interview but it is worth saying again, it would’ve been longer but technology has not been a friend of our site over the past week. Dan was on his cell phone and cut out just after the talk moved to Angle and we tried a number of times to get him back but it was not to be.

As for the Hackleman comments I’m sorry but the “walk in my shoes” kind of argument for deflecting a type of criticism is one I’ve always had a hard time accepting as valid.

I didn’t hear your comments on the radio but I did read your post on the subject and thought you made some good points. I wouldn’t have thought them any less valid if you’d never been inside a cage in your life.

In my view his response was weak and more out of frustration than anything.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2882 Sam Caplan Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:52:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2882 Body Shots, Steve didn't play the whole clip. I said that the exact same stuff I said on this blog in my post fight analysis. I said more than just him catching a kick. He had had checked those kicks he could have stopped Jardine from possibly scoring a few points with the judges and Jardine was also using those kicks to set up his punches. And while I don't know for sure, Chuck had to have been feeling those leg kicks later on in the third and if you use conventional punching technique, not having full use of your legs can take away some of your power. Chuck isn't a conventional puncher (how many people can knock guys out while moving backwards?) so maybe a lack of mobility didn't have an effect. But maybe it did? Body Shots, Steve didn’t play the whole clip. I said that the exact same stuff I said on this blog in my post fight analysis. I said more than just him catching a kick. He had had checked those kicks he could have stopped Jardine from possibly scoring a few points with the judges and Jardine was also using those kicks to set up his punches.

And while I don’t know for sure, Chuck had to have been feeling those leg kicks later on in the third and if you use conventional punching technique, not having full use of your legs can take away some of your power. Chuck isn’t a conventional puncher (how many people can knock guys out while moving backwards?) so maybe a lack of mobility didn’t have an effect. But maybe it did?

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]]> By: Body_Shots http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2880 Body_Shots Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:19:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/09/27/john-hackleman-calls-me-a-moron-and-more-fun-with-audio/#comment-2880 I agree, the whole “I’d like to see him get in the cage” argument is weak, but you did say you can defend leg kicks better than Liddell, and kind of trivialized what Jardine did in the fight in the following statement. As if all Liddell had to do was time one leg kick and the fight would of been over. I don't think Hackleman telling you step in the cage with Jardine was unwarranted mainly because you came off like an armchair <i>Ultimate fighter</i> in that clip. I also wouldn't compare what you said to what Dana said in the post fight presser. I agree, the whole “I’d like to see him get in the cage” argument is weak, but you did say you can defend leg kicks better than Liddell, and kind of trivialized what Jardine did in the fight in the following statement. As if all Liddell had to do was time one leg kick and the fight would of been over.

I don’t think Hackleman telling you step in the cage with Jardine was unwarranted mainly because you came off like an armchair Ultimate fighter in that clip.

I also wouldn’t compare what you said to what Dana said in the post fight presser.

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