Comments on: Talk about a public relations nightmare http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 14:13:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: r88 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-43876 r88 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:13:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-43876 you're all hypocritical pieces of shit. this man has a tattoo that stands for something he believes in and you all look down on him for it. if it stated "black pride" or "brown pride" no one would oppose, but a white person expressing his beliefs is automatically considered common street trash. you're all ignorant as far as i am concerned, you're all talking shit on one man who stands up for his beliefs while you sit there telling minorities to stand up for themselves. well guess what, its 2008 and us whites are becoming more a minority with each day that passes, we have just as much a right to be proud as the rest of you. you’re all hypocritical pieces of shit. this man has a tattoo that stands for something he believes in and you all look down on him for it. if it stated “black pride” or “brown pride” no one would oppose, but a white person expressing his beliefs is automatically considered common street trash. you’re all ignorant as far as i am concerned, you’re all talking shit on one man who stands up for his beliefs while you sit there telling minorities to stand up for themselves. well guess what, its 2008 and us whites are becoming more a minority with each day that passes, we have just as much a right to be proud as the rest of you.

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]]> By: Browning 35 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-5052 Browning 35 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:22:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-5052 So he's got a swastika tattooed on him big deal. Yeah I'm sure that there isn't any Black or Hispanic fighters that have any political, racial or gang tattoos that basically make the same statement only from a different perspective. Some people need to get a freaking life. So he’s got a swastika tattooed on him big deal.

Yeah I’m sure that there isn’t any Black or Hispanic fighters that have any political, racial or gang tattoos that basically make the same statement only from a different perspective.

Some people need to get a freaking life.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4102 Accomando Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:58:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4102 "...I don’t know why that is, but it seems like if you have tattoos of a hammer and sickle, anarchy symbol, AND a handprint, people shouldn’t really spend their time trying to pin down your personal ethos..." Or praise that particular person for wearing thier "heart on thier sleeve" whichever heart that may be. But great point, tou che'. “…I don’t know why that is, but it seems like if you have tattoos of a hammer and sickle, anarchy symbol, AND a handprint, people shouldn’t really spend their time trying to pin down your personal ethos…”

Or praise that particular person for wearing thier “heart on thier sleeve” whichever heart that may be.

But great point, tou che’.

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]]> By: Smithee http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4099 Smithee Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:35:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4099 Accomando: I, for one, wasn't defending him against anything other than being a Stalinist or large C Communist. Even a lot of Marxists seem to object to Stalinists more for centralizing everything than for the millions that died, but I'm willing to accept that his heart is in the right place on mass murder. For the Southern California anarchists fixing to get offended about now, it should be noted that many of them are different from the typical northwest anarchist. My experience with them has been that they have more in common with a right wing militia -- no racism, but militant, gun-totin' pro private property/anti fed philosophy. Accomando:

I, for one, wasn’t defending him against anything other than being a Stalinist or large C Communist. Even a lot of Marxists seem to object to Stalinists more for centralizing everything than for the millions that died, but I’m willing to accept that his heart is in the right place on mass murder.

For the Southern California anarchists fixing to get offended about now, it should be noted that many of them are different from the typical northwest anarchist. My experience with them has been that they have more in common with a right wing militia — no racism, but militant, gun-totin’ pro private property/anti fed philosophy.

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]]> By: Ben Fowlkes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4098 Ben Fowlkes Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:28:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4098 I think that because Monson manages to hold so many contradictory beliefs at once, somehow he gets a pass. I don't know why that is, but it seems like if you have tattoos of a hammer and sickle, anarchy symbol, AND a handprint, people shouldn't really spend their time trying to pin down your personal ethos. I think that because Monson manages to hold so many contradictory beliefs at once, somehow he gets a pass. I don’t know why that is, but it seems like if you have tattoos of a hammer and sickle, anarchy symbol, AND a handprint, people shouldn’t really spend their time trying to pin down your personal ethos.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4096 Accomando Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:41:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4096 “...It’s unfortuante that Jeff Monson’s good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue..." Jeff Monson doesn't hide from his beliefs, so why are you guys making him out to be above reproach? ...monson quote:... "...“If there is any contradiction, it’s that we’re part of the capitalist machine, and I’m really just a wage slave. You know, we don’t make any money without fighting, and if I win I get more; if I lose I get less. But it’s simply a sport...." He doesn't really make any new points here. Its called competition (the heart of capitalism), so yes, he is contradicting himself. Anarchy? Great idea, tear things down, but what do we replace everything with? Monson epitomises annoying. "...While Monson was preparing for a fight in Portland, a film crew came to the gym and recorded his outfit that day, which included a tank top that read “Assassinate Bush.”..." Let's stop the Monson ball scrubbing going on here. He has extremist views, you guys just more or less agree with him and or want him to be allowed to say/flaunt them. Extremists come from both sides, both would like to drastically change a relitively well run society, how is either better? “…It’s unfortuante that Jeff Monson’s good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue…”

Jeff Monson doesn’t hide from his beliefs, so why are you guys making him out to be above reproach?

…monson quote:…
“…“If there is any contradiction, it’s that we’re part of the capitalist machine, and I’m really just a wage slave. You know, we don’t make any money without fighting, and if I win I get more; if I lose I get less. But it’s simply a sport….”

He doesn’t really make any new points here. Its called competition (the heart of capitalism), so yes, he is contradicting himself.

Anarchy?

Great idea, tear things down, but what do we replace everything with?

Monson epitomises annoying.

“…While Monson was preparing for a fight in Portland, a film crew came to the gym and recorded his outfit that day, which included a tank top that read “Assassinate Bush.”…”

Let’s stop the Monson ball scrubbing going on here.

He has extremist views, you guys just more or less agree with him and or want him to be allowed to say/flaunt them.

Extremists come from both sides, both would like to drastically change a relitively well run society, how is either better?

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4094 Sam Caplan Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:00:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4094 Smithee: I'll refer to something JayDog wrote because it's precisely how I feel: "It’s unfortuante that Jeff Monson’s good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue. I know a lot about Monson’s politics and he is 100% anti-racist. His identification with anarchy/socialism hinges on the idea that “all forms domination” need to be eliminated from society (be they racial, corporate, or governmental). Don’t drag Monson into a witch hunt that surrounds neo-nazis." While no one has said this directly, I get a general feeling by some comment made here that people believe I am being selective. If you (and by "you" I'm not directing it at anyone in particular) feel that way, I'd love to know how so? I'm sorry for not knowing all the neo-nazi and skinhead tattoos out there and what they represent. If I knew what they were and I saw it, I wouldn't hesitate to speak out on it. Go back and do a search on this site under Bodog and read my commentary about the racist behavior then. I made it a point to make an issue about that behavior and was still offended even though a lot of what was being said didn't affect me directly. Whenever I've encountered racism, sexism, or homophobia, I've spoken out against it. Smithee:

I’ll refer to something JayDog wrote because it’s precisely how I feel:

“It’s unfortuante that Jeff Monson’s good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue. I know a lot about Monson’s politics and he is 100% anti-racist. His identification with anarchy/socialism hinges on the idea that “all forms domination” need to be eliminated from society (be they racial, corporate, or governmental). Don’t drag Monson into a witch hunt that surrounds neo-nazis.”

While no one has said this directly, I get a general feeling by some comment made here that people believe I am being selective. If you (and by “you” I’m not directing it at anyone in particular) feel that way, I’d love to know how so? I’m sorry for not knowing all the neo-nazi and skinhead tattoos out there and what they represent. If I knew what they were and I saw it, I wouldn’t hesitate to speak out on it. Go back and do a search on this site under Bodog and read my commentary about the racist behavior then. I made it a point to make an issue about that behavior and was still offended even though a lot of what was being said didn’t affect me directly.

Whenever I’ve encountered racism, sexism, or homophobia, I’ve spoken out against it.

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]]> By: c-ing_red http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4089 c-ing_red Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:39:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4089 Sam - You are funny. As a journalist, you don't surprise me. You got what you wanted - responses!!! Yeah, he has a swastika tattoo - I just got done reading gladiator magazine and in an ad for KOTC was, I believe, Dave Cryer who has two "White Pride Worldwide" tattoos on each shoulder (the one Neal Taflinger is talking about). He is also the one that has the peckerwood on his stomach. But you know so much about "Nazism" (is that a word?) that you would have known that. I just think that your diatribe about how weed is not enough of a "public relations nightmare" is assinine. The amount of opression caused by the distribution and sale of illegal drugs (Marijuana included) is astronomical. You could even include the abuse of alcohol in that equation also. My comparison to Veganism was because I was playing devils advocate. There are a ton of subjects that could be controversial. You just choose to take exception to this guys tattoos - without knowing the full story. Frankly, you need to get out more. Sam – You are funny. As a journalist, you don’t surprise me. You got what you wanted – responses!!! Yeah, he has a swastika tattoo – I just got done
reading gladiator magazine and in an ad for KOTC was, I believe, Dave Cryer who has two “White Pride Worldwide” tattoos on each shoulder (the one Neal Taflinger is talking about). He is also the one that has the peckerwood on his stomach. But you know so much about “Nazism” (is that a word?) that you would have known that.

I just think that your diatribe about how weed is not enough of a “public relations nightmare” is assinine. The amount of opression caused by the distribution and sale of illegal drugs (Marijuana included) is astronomical. You could even include the abuse of alcohol in that equation also.

My comparison to Veganism was because I was playing devils advocate. There are a ton of subjects that could be controversial. You just choose to take exception to this guys tattoos – without knowing the full story.

Frankly, you need to get out more.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4087 Accomando Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:29:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4087 Smithee, while I agree with your premise, you have to look at this from a couple of angles. The main-stream media, which is in the buisiness of over-blowing shocking stories, would have a field day with this guy if something "were" to happen and maybe get out of control at an MMA event he was at. Then you get the stigma that "mma is in with the Nazi's" which, eventhough the overuse of the word has diminished its value, it still brings tons and tons of negativity with it as it absolutely should. Who knows where the MSM would take the story, but it could invariably affect MMA in an extremely negative way. MMA isn't a democracy, they should axe him before something bad happens and tarnishes MMA at this cruical time of its history. As sad as it is to say, this clown could cause irrepairable damage, thus affecting lots of good people in MMA in a bad way. MMA will not be affected if this chump is cut out of competition, but it might be if he is allowed to continue, that is most likely the truth of the matter. Smithee, while I agree with your premise, you have to look at this from a couple of angles.

The main-stream media, which is in the buisiness of over-blowing shocking stories, would have a field day with this guy if something “were” to happen and maybe get out of control at an MMA event he was at.

Then you get the stigma that “mma is in with the Nazi’s” which, eventhough the overuse of the word has diminished its value, it still brings tons and tons of negativity with it as it absolutely should.

Who knows where the MSM would take the story, but it could invariably affect MMA in an extremely negative way.

MMA isn’t a democracy, they should axe him before something bad happens and tarnishes MMA at this cruical time of its history.

As sad as it is to say, this clown could cause irrepairable damage, thus affecting lots of good people in MMA in a bad way.

MMA will not be affected if this chump is cut out of competition, but it might be if he is allowed to continue, that is most likely the truth of the matter.

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]]> By: Smithee http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4085 Smithee Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:24:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4085 Jaydog: "Smithee’s leading question" Your post went up while I was writing. I think you'll see from my last post that I agree with most of what you said .. about Monson and the rest. The only thing I was trying to lead Caplan into was an intelligent, well reasoned stance. I'm with you that this can of worms should not be opened. Jaydog:

“Smithee’s leading question”

Your post went up while I was writing. I think you’ll see from my last post that I agree with most of what you said .. about Monson and the rest. The only thing I was trying to lead Caplan into was an intelligent, well reasoned stance. I’m with you that this can of worms should not be opened.

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]]> By: NealTaflinger http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4084 NealTaflinger Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:21:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4084 Aye, aye, Caplan. There was another dude on a KOTC card recently that had WP tats on his shoulders. They don't look like anything unless you know WP/Skinhead culture. I think he also had tattooed eyebrows. Aye, aye, Caplan. There was another dude on a KOTC card recently that had WP tats on his shoulders. They don’t look like anything unless you know WP/Skinhead culture. I think he also had tattooed eyebrows.

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]]> By: Smithee http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4082 Smithee Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:14:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4082 Sam Caplan: I notice I still didn't get that straight answer. Mobb Deep and Leland Roling: There is a lengthy video by Monson on youtube discussing his politics. He leaves out a lot of details, but the sense I get is that he falls into the camp that are largely Marxist. (There are a lot of different flavors of anarchist.) Such people don't approve of Stalin and his tactics any more than the rest of us, so it is undoubtedly unfair for him to be caught in the middle like this. That is one reason why we need to be much more intelligent about this. Symbols mean different things to different people. Fair or not, many people nowadays associate the hammer and sickle with very bad things. So which definition do we use when we decide to be offended? Plus, if we got a close look at all of the tats in MMA, I'll bet we could find a mountain of other things to be offended over. And if we are going to ban Costa for the people he attracts, what do we do when some black or Latino fighter attracts some gang members? Is that OK, as long as he doesn't have gang tats? Should MMA act like a biker bar that prohibits people from wearing their colors? What if someone admits to Nazi sympathies but doesn't wear a swastika? Out of sight, out of mind? Sam Caplan:

I notice I still didn’t get that straight answer.

Mobb Deep and Leland Roling:

There is a lengthy video by Monson on youtube discussing his politics. He leaves out a lot of details, but the sense I get is that he falls into the camp that are largely Marxist. (There are a lot of different flavors of anarchist.) Such people don’t approve of Stalin and his tactics any more than the rest of us, so it is undoubtedly unfair for him to be caught in the middle like this. That is one reason why we need to be much more intelligent about this. Symbols mean different things to different people. Fair or not, many people nowadays associate the hammer and sickle with very bad things. So which definition do we use when we decide to be offended? Plus, if we got a close look at all of the tats in MMA, I’ll bet we could find a mountain of other things to be offended over.

And if we are going to ban Costa for the people he attracts, what do we do when some black or Latino fighter attracts some gang members? Is that OK, as long as he doesn’t have gang tats? Should MMA act like a biker bar that prohibits people from wearing their colors? What if someone admits to Nazi sympathies but doesn’t wear a swastika? Out of sight, out of mind?

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]]> By: Captain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4080 Captain Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:52:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4080 Anyone know where to find that post-fight interview? Seems like it's been removed from several places. I've been giving dude benefit of the doubt but if it turns out that he still is racist and brings some sort of neo-nazi posse to events with him, then fuck 'em. Anyone know where to find that post-fight interview? Seems like it’s been removed from several places. I’ve been giving dude benefit of the doubt but if it turns out that he still is racist and brings some sort of neo-nazi posse to events with him, then fuck ‘em.

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]]> By: jaydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4079 jaydog Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:50:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4079 It's unfortuante that Jeff Monson's good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue. I know a lot about Monson's politics and he is 100% anti-racist. His identification with anarchy/socialism hinges on the idea that "all forms domination" need to be eliminated from society (be they racial, corporate, or governmental). Don't drag Monson into a witch hunt that surrounds neo-nazis. I'm guessing that's why Sam didn't dignify Smithee's leading question. Besides, the cause of most tattoos is rebelion and posturing (although I am proud of Jeff for wearing his heart on his sleeve literaly). Do we really need to read so much into this? Are there fighters with rebel flag tattoos? I consider that a racist symbol as well. At any rate, this whole thing is a slippery slope. The repugnant beliefs and sketchy pasts of MMA fighters is a can of worms that should not be openned when a physical competition is all that is being decided in the ring. It’s unfortuante that Jeff Monson’s good name has been dragged into this discussion simply because a political tattoo originated issue. I know a lot about Monson’s politics and he is 100% anti-racist. His identification with anarchy/socialism hinges on the idea that “all forms domination” need to be eliminated from society (be they racial, corporate, or governmental). Don’t drag Monson into a witch hunt that surrounds neo-nazis. I’m guessing that’s why Sam didn’t dignify Smithee’s leading question. Besides, the cause of most tattoos is rebelion and posturing (although I am proud of Jeff for wearing his heart on his sleeve literaly). Do we really need to read so much into this? Are there fighters with rebel flag tattoos? I consider that a racist symbol as well. At any rate, this whole thing is a slippery slope. The repugnant beliefs and sketchy pasts of MMA fighters is a can of worms that should not be openned when a physical competition is all that is being decided in the ring.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4075 Sam Caplan Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:35:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4075 Smithee: "I suggested that inconsistency in one’s opposition to mass murder makes it harder to take one seriously on the matter. In other words, your continued ducking of the issue about Monson doesn’t help your cause."</p><br /><br /> <p>By suggesting that I am being inconsistent towards mass murder, when I have not addressed Monson's sickle one way or the other, what are you trying to say? "I noticed. The question is why?" Because Costa is the subject at hand. By bringing Monson into the conversation, you've introduced a completely different subject from what my initial blog posting had to do with. We're not talking about Jeff Monson fighting for the UFC. We're talking about MELVIN COSTA fighting for KING OF THE CAGE. You can comment on whatever you want here but my focus was and still is Melvin Costa. Smithee:

“I suggested that inconsistency in one’s opposition to mass murder makes it harder to take one seriously on the matter. In other words, your continued ducking of the issue about Monson doesn’t help your cause.”</p><br />
<p>By suggesting that I am being inconsistent towards mass murder, when I have not addressed Monson’s sickle one way or the other, what are you trying to say?

“I noticed. The question is why?”

Because Costa is the subject at hand. By bringing Monson into the conversation, you’ve introduced a completely different subject from what my initial blog posting had to do with. We’re not talking about Jeff Monson fighting for the UFC. We’re talking about MELVIN COSTA fighting for KING OF THE CAGE. You can comment on whatever you want here but my focus was and still is Melvin Costa.

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]]> By: Leland Roling http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4074 Leland Roling Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:30:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4074 If I remember correctly, Monson has actually stated he is against Communism. He's pro-anarchy, if I'm correct, which means a state of society without government or law. If I remember correctly, Monson has actually stated he is against Communism. He’s pro-anarchy, if I’m correct, which means a state of society without government or law.

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]]> By: Leland Roling http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4073 Leland Roling Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:27:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4073 Well, with the right amount of work, he could become a spokeperson for Harley Davidson. Get rid of the swastika and make it a Harley Davidson logo. Well, with the right amount of work, he could become a spokeperson for Harley Davidson. Get rid of the swastika and make it a Harley Davidson logo.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4072 Accomando Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:26:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4072 “...in the post-fight video that’s no longer there, his crew of skinheads behind him were displaying SS symbols and a shirt with a racist slogan as well...” Now thats a serious issue. I was going on the basis that he had maybe left it behind. I know I have been harping on Monson, but I don't remember any crew of soviets following him into the arena. This guy should be Ex-communicated from MMA. An old tattoo is one thing, bringing racists crews with you to an event is another. The guy is a ticking time bomb. “…in the post-fight video that’s no longer there, his crew of skinheads behind him were displaying SS symbols and a shirt with a racist slogan as well…”

Now thats a serious issue. I was going on the basis that he had maybe left it behind.

I know I have been harping on Monson, but I don’t remember any crew of soviets following him into the arena.

This guy should be Ex-communicated from MMA. An old tattoo is one thing, bringing racists crews with you to an event is another.

The guy is a ticking time bomb.

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]]> By: Smithee http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4070 Smithee Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:21:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4070 Sam Caplan: You are turning this into such a petty little semantic pissing contest you should be embarrassed. I'll play your game one last time: "When did I ever condone mass murder? Please show me I did. You won’t be able to because I never did" When did I ever accuse you of condoning mass murder. Please show me. You won't be able to because I never did. "We’re not talking about anyone else here than Melvin Costa. " I noticed. The question is why? "Who is the one avoiding the issue" Not me. I think Monson and Costa should receive the same treatment. Do you agree? I'll even let you pick the treatment, if you'll finally give a straight answer. Sam Caplan:

You are turning this into such a petty little semantic pissing contest you should be embarrassed. I’ll play your game one last time:

“When did I ever condone mass murder? Please show me I did. You won’t be able to because I never did”

When did I ever accuse you of condoning mass murder. Please show me. You won’t be able to because I never did.

“We’re not talking about anyone else here than Melvin Costa. ”

I noticed. The question is why?

“Who is the one avoiding the issue”

Not me. I think Monson and Costa should receive the same treatment. Do you agree? I’ll even let you pick the treatment, if you’ll finally give a straight answer.

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]]> By: Kris Karkoski http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4069 Kris Karkoski Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:19:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/18/talk-about-a-public-relations-nightmare/#comment-4069 Good find 44 I hadn't read about his guys doing all that as well. Also I agree about the hammer and sickle. To me those symbols are far less offensive than a swastika. LR is right on as well, it isn't the fighter himself as (by all accounts) no one has ever had any real problems with him voicing his minority opinion but supporters of the movement could cause a ruckus at a future event and wind up as bad press for PE or any promotion he fights in. He has every right to his opinion but if you're a public athlete you shouldn't be parading around with a tattoo like he has. Like I said earlier he can mask the tat and still feel the same way it is just less likely to offend people or blow back on his employer, in this case pro elite. Good find 44 I hadn’t read about his guys doing all that as well. Also I agree about the hammer and sickle. To me those symbols are far less offensive than a swastika.

LR is right on as well, it isn’t the fighter himself as (by all accounts) no one has ever had any real problems with him voicing his minority opinion but supporters of the movement could cause a ruckus at a future event and wind up as bad press for PE or any promotion he fights in.

He has every right to his opinion but if you’re a public athlete you shouldn’t be parading around with a tattoo like he has. Like I said earlier he can mask the tat and still feel the same way it is just less likely to offend people or blow back on his employer, in this case pro elite.

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