Comments on: Brad Imes first opponent for Brock Lesnar? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:48:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jarry Park - The Coliseum Of Combat Sports Interviews » Blog Archive » Just Call Him Mr. Gogoplata http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-6738 Jarry Park - The Coliseum Of Combat Sports Interviews » Blog Archive » Just Call Him Mr. Gogoplata Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:58:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-6738 [...] that’s why his name was atop everyone’s rumored list as Brock Lesnar’s first UFC opponent. Obviously, those [...] [...] that’s why his name was atop everyone’s rumored list as Brock Lesnar’s first UFC opponent. Obviously, those [...]

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]]> By: Jim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4537 Jim Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:02:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4537 Sam, No. I do not feel that the tests can be beat. The tests will detect heavy steroid use. However, there are two other problems unrelated to the effectiveness of the test. The first is that drug tests have not been given to UFC competitors before every fight. The tests were mandatory for title bouts only. I feel that tests should be given before every fight and randomly to anyone contracted with this organization. The second problem is that athletes may these enhancers while training, but discontinue use prior to fighting. The use of these enhancers may only be detectable a few weeks or months after the athlete discontinues use of the steroid. The time required depends on the type and amount of enhancer taken. Lastly, you stated that Lesnar passed his drug test for the K-1 USA Dynamite show. Let me ask you this, do you think that the gains made through use of enhancers had all been diminished by the time of the competition? Of course not. Stephan Bonnar fought on the last UFC card, despite testing positive for steroids during his last appearance. His body looked completely transformed. He passed the test this time because he discontinued the use of the substances he was taking. However, the physical benefits he gained during the drug use remain. How can you tell me this is fair to a clean competitor of his? Tim Silvia failed his test twice in a row. How does Brandon Vera feel like after getting overpowered in the clinch against Tim in UFC 77? The way that I see it is this- By organizations NOT testing for performance enhancers frequently and randomly, they are putting the fighters in a dilemma between their morals, health, and ability to compete on a level playing field. A fighter should not have to sacrifice his or her own health and ethics just to compete fairly in an organization such as the UFC. If a competitor fails a drug test, he or she should be terminated indefinitely. I know it sounds harsh, but it is in the best interest of the fighters and their health. Sam,

No. I do not feel that the tests can be beat. The tests will detect heavy steroid use. However, there are two other problems unrelated to the effectiveness of the test.

The first is that drug tests have not been given to UFC competitors before every fight. The tests were mandatory for title bouts only. I feel that tests should be given before every fight and randomly to anyone contracted with this organization.

The second problem is that athletes may these enhancers while training, but discontinue use prior to fighting. The use of these enhancers may only be detectable a few weeks or months after the athlete discontinues use of the steroid. The time required depends on the type and amount of enhancer taken.

Lastly, you stated that Lesnar passed his drug test for the K-1 USA Dynamite show. Let me ask you this, do you think that the gains made through use of enhancers had all been diminished by the time of the competition? Of course not. Stephan Bonnar fought on the last UFC card, despite testing positive for steroids during his last appearance. His body looked completely transformed. He passed the test this time because he discontinued the use of the substances he was taking. However, the physical benefits he gained during the drug use remain.

How can you tell me this is fair to a clean competitor of his? Tim Silvia failed his test twice in a row. How does Brandon Vera feel like after getting overpowered in the clinch against Tim in UFC 77?

The way that I see it is this-
By organizations NOT testing for performance enhancers frequently and randomly, they are putting the fighters in a dilemma between their morals, health, and ability to compete on a level playing field. A fighter should not have to sacrifice his or her own health and ethics just to compete fairly in an organization such as the UFC.

If a competitor fails a drug test, he or she should be terminated indefinitely. I know it sounds harsh, but it is in the best interest of the fighters and their health.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4526 Sam Caplan Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:07:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4526 Jim, I respect you and I know the subject of performance enhancers affects you more than a fan since you're a fighter but I think you and others might be jumping to conclusions on Lesnar. While I don't know for a fact, there's little doubt in my mind he was on performance enhancers when he was in the WWE. However, he's lost a ton of muscle mass in the past couple of years and he did indeed take a drug test for the K-1 USA Dynamite!! show. That being said, whenever someone in the industry hears me say a guy passed a drug test they usually laugh at me and I think the feeling is that the tests can be beat. I'm not trying to call you out, but I'd love to get a fighter's perspective on this. Do you feel the tests can be beat? Jim, I respect you and I know the subject of performance enhancers affects you more than a fan since you’re a fighter but I think you and others might be jumping to conclusions on Lesnar. While I don’t know for a fact, there’s little doubt in my mind he was on performance enhancers when he was in the WWE. However, he’s lost a ton of muscle mass in the past couple of years and he did indeed take a drug test for the K-1 USA Dynamite!! show.

That being said, whenever someone in the industry hears me say a guy passed a drug test they usually laugh at me and I think the feeling is that the tests can be beat. I’m not trying to call you out, but I’d love to get a fighter’s perspective on this. Do you feel the tests can be beat?

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]]> By: Jim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4523 Jim Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:40:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4523 You talk about strength, strength, strength! I say, "Make him pass a piss test, piss test, piss test!". Another juiced up freak ( read "cheater" ) is not what the sport needs. You talk about strength, strength, strength! I say, “Make him pass a piss test, piss test, piss test!”. Another juiced up freak ( read “cheater” ) is not what the sport needs.

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]]> By: Mr. Takedown http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4518 Mr. Takedown Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:11:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4518 It is a strong possibility that Lesnar's aggressiveness will put him in bad positions for joint locks and/or chokes. He simply doesn't have the cage experience to avoid it, plus he's going to push the pace hard. I'm thinking he'll be like Randleman, anyone else thinking that too? I'm really looking forward to seeing how someone with his size and strength can power out of different clenches and holds. I also can't wait to see him german suplex some poor fool. After 2 or 3 solid victories against opponents of increasing skills sets, I'll mark out for big Brock. It is a strong possibility that Lesnar’s aggressiveness will put him in bad positions for joint locks and/or chokes. He simply doesn’t have the cage experience to avoid it, plus he’s going to push the pace hard. I’m thinking he’ll be like Randleman, anyone else thinking that too?

I’m really looking forward to seeing how someone with his size and strength can power out of different clenches and holds. I also can’t wait to see him german suplex some poor fool.

After 2 or 3 solid victories against opponents of increasing skills sets, I’ll mark out for big Brock.

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]]> By: Dr J http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4492 Dr J Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:10:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4492 I think my analysis of what Lesnar would bring to a fight with Imes or others in the UFC is more than buying into hype, it's actual MMA analysis. I can't stand mma writers and experts that don't have the balls to analyze a fighter based on their knowledge outside of what is shown in the ring or cage. The actual fights make up such a small portion of what it means to participate in MMA. I think my analysis of what Lesnar would bring to a fight with Imes or others in the UFC is more than buying into hype, it’s actual MMA analysis. I can’t stand mma writers and experts that don’t have the balls to analyze a fighter based on their knowledge outside of what is shown in the ring or cage. The actual fights make up such a small portion of what it means to participate in MMA.

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]]> By: godzillad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4491 godzillad Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:57:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4491 I always said that Jake O'Brien or Antoni Hardonk would be perfect first fight for Brock. O'Brien doesn't have hands and relies on wrestling, which Brock will embarrass him in. Hardonk has good strikes but no wrestling or ground game, like Kongo. Hell, Brock would beat Kongo. I thought Scott Junk would make a good first opponent for Mark Hunt too. I always said that Jake O’Brien or Antoni Hardonk would be perfect first fight for Brock. O’Brien doesn’t have hands and relies on wrestling, which Brock will embarrass him in. Hardonk has good strikes but no wrestling or ground game, like Kongo. Hell, Brock would beat Kongo.

I thought Scott Junk would make a good first opponent for Mark Hunt too.

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4490 Adam Morgan Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:55:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4490 Fan boy talk? Hardly. Maybe I'd rather base my opinion on what he does in the cage instead of speculating and buying into the hype. Fan boy talk? Hardly.

Maybe I’d rather base my opinion on what he does in the cage instead of speculating and buying into the hype.

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]]> By: Dr J http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4489 Dr J Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:43:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4489 He trains with Miletich casually or full-time? Just reading a bunch of MMA snobbery on here. I agree he has to prove himself but grow some balls and actually analyze this past, "Well I have to see more of him." That's fan boy talk! He trains with Miletich casually or full-time? Just reading a bunch of MMA snobbery on here. I agree he has to prove himself but grow some balls and actually analyze this past, “Well I have to see more of him.” That’s fan boy talk!

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-4488 Sam Cupitt Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:12:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/23/brad-imes-first-up-for-brock-lesnar/#comment-4488 I'm seriously picking Imes by a triangle if this fight takes place. Imes catches people, you may scoff at that but in the heat of the moment, Lesnar might be a little over zealous to prove himself and the famous slowest triangle of all time will sneak its way up from Imes. They should put Lesnar in with a smaller heavyweight. One he can man handle and look impressive or one that wont offer anything off his back. Or just you know... give him Kevin Jordan I’m seriously picking Imes by a triangle if this fight takes place. Imes catches people, you may scoff at that but in the heat of the moment, Lesnar might be a little over zealous to prove himself and the famous slowest triangle of all time will sneak its way up from Imes.

They should put Lesnar in with a smaller heavyweight. One he can man handle and look impressive or one that wont offer anything off his back. Or just you know… give him Kevin Jordan

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