Comments on: Phil Baroni’s suspension reduced http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 19:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5362 Jeremy Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:05:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5362 From what they said and for what I understood Ivan, they tested the actual positive sample as well as the extra post fight samples and they all came back negative. As for the how do we know it's really a pre-fight sample? That's why I said according to them, not according to my knowledge. Plus asking that question is like me asking how do we know the CSAC test is right? We don't know anything about any of it, just what they tell us. From what they said and for what I understood Ivan, they tested the actual positive sample as well as the extra post fight samples and they all came back negative. As for the how do we know it’s really a pre-fight sample? That’s why I said according to them, not according to my knowledge. Plus asking that question is like me asking how do we know the CSAC test is right? We don’t know anything about any of it, just what they tell us.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5346 Ivan Trembow Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:18:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5346 "Anyone listen to the Baroni interview on sherdog.com about his ruling yesterday? Apparently from what I understood, they tested the sample(the positive one), a pre-fight sample, a post-fight sample and then a separate one(didn’t hear specifics on when this was taken) and they all came back negative for the steroids the lab the CSAC used. " A second and third post-fight test being negative doesn't prove anything other than the liklihood that the athlete was trying to cycle off of the steroids in time for his drug test and mis-timed it. As for the "pre-fight sample," how do we know it's really a pre-fight sample? Let's not mistake the incompetence of the CSAC for Phil Baroni having accidentally ingested illegal horse steroids. “Anyone listen to the Baroni interview on sherdog.com about his ruling yesterday? Apparently from what I understood, they tested the sample(the positive one), a pre-fight sample, a post-fight sample and then a separate one(didn’t hear specifics on when this was taken) and they all came back negative for the steroids the lab the CSAC used. ”

A second and third post-fight test being negative doesn’t prove anything other than the liklihood that the athlete was trying to cycle off of the steroids in time for his drug test and mis-timed it. As for the “pre-fight sample,” how do we know it’s really a pre-fight sample?

Let’s not mistake the incompetence of the CSAC for Phil Baroni having accidentally ingested illegal horse steroids.

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]]> By: dizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5317 dizzle Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:05:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5317 Baroni and Shrek are roid buddies. These guys need to be punished and not slapped on the wrist. Baroni and Shrek are roid buddies. These guys need to be punished and not slapped on the wrist.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5307 Jeremy Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:25:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5307 Anyone listen to the Baroni interview on sherdog.com about his ruling yesterday? Apparently from what I understood, they tested the sample(the positive one), a pre-fight sample, a post-fight sample and then a separate one(didn't hear specifics on when this was taken) and they all came back negative for the steroids the lab the CSAC used. According to Baroni and Pavia, the company they used from what I understood, did the same test the CSAC lab did and is accredited by the same people the CSAC lab is. And again from what Baroni said in the interview the lab guy from the CSAC, when asked why his test turned up a positive, just said it was because his test was better. Even though again according to them it was the same test. If in fact what Pavia and Baroni said was true it would seem to damn the CSAC comission a little that the testing done on Baroni only showed 1 positive out of 5 total tests. And I would feel certainly was a good reason to reduce the suspension if not convince me if I were a comissioner to revoke the sentencing all together. Anyone listen to the Baroni interview on sherdog.com about his ruling yesterday? Apparently from what I understood, they tested the sample(the positive one), a pre-fight sample, a post-fight sample and then a separate one(didn’t hear specifics on when this was taken) and they all came back negative for the steroids the lab the CSAC used. According to Baroni and Pavia, the company they used from what I understood, did the same test the CSAC lab did and is accredited by the same people the CSAC lab is. And again from what Baroni said in the interview the lab guy from the CSAC, when asked why his test turned up a positive, just said it was because his test was better. Even though again according to them it was the same test.

If in fact what Pavia and Baroni said was true it would seem to damn the CSAC comission a little that the testing done on Baroni only showed 1 positive out of 5 total tests. And I would feel certainly was a good reason to reduce the suspension if not convince me if I were a comissioner to revoke the sentencing all together.

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]]> By: Leland Roling http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5305 Leland Roling Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:43:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5305 Completely agree, Ivan. I actually have some historical data on the odd rulings the CSAC has done, probably going to write about it today. Apparently if you argue, you get a reduced sentence or if you prolong the course of the case, reduced sentence, or do boldenone, reduced sentence. Completely agree, Ivan. I actually have some historical data on the odd rulings the CSAC has done, probably going to write about it today. Apparently if you argue, you get a reduced sentence or if you prolong the course of the case, reduced sentence, or do boldenone, reduced sentence.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5297 Ivan Trembow Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:59:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5297 Plus, a six-month suspension for a fighter who was going to be out for more than six months anyway due to injuries means that it may as well be no suspension. The amount of time that Baroni is going to be out in addition to the time that he would have been out anyway for injury reasons is ZERO. Heck of a way to send a strong anti-steroids message to other MMA fighters. Here's some background on Boldenone from an MMAWeekly news story that was written at the time that Stephan Bonnar tested positive for Boldenone: "According to Food and Drug Administration filings, which cited the Office of New Animal Drug Evaluation, Boldenone is intended for use by veterinarians as "an aid for treating debilitated horses when an improvement in weight, hair coat, or general physical condition is desired." The FDA filings added, "Federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian." Due to potential health risks for humans, the FDA has gone so far as to say that Boldenone "should not be administered to horses intended for human consumption." The possible side effects of Boldenone when used by humans include high blood pressure, increased water retention, elevated levels of estrogen, possible hair loss, flu-like symptoms, anxiety, and acne." Plus, a six-month suspension for a fighter who was going to be out for more than six months anyway due to injuries means that it may as well be no suspension. The amount of time that Baroni is going to be out in addition to the time that he would have been out anyway for injury reasons is ZERO. Heck of a way to send a strong anti-steroids message to other MMA fighters.

Here’s some background on Boldenone from an MMAWeekly news story that was written at the time that Stephan Bonnar tested positive for Boldenone:

“According to Food and Drug Administration filings, which cited the Office of New Animal Drug Evaluation, Boldenone is intended for use by veterinarians as “an aid for treating debilitated horses when an improvement in weight, hair coat, or general physical condition is desired.”

The FDA filings added, “Federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the order of a licensed veterinarian.” Due to potential health risks for humans, the FDA has gone so far as to say that Boldenone “should not be administered to horses intended for human consumption.”

The possible side effects of Boldenone when used by humans include high blood pressure, increased water retention, elevated levels of estrogen, possible hair loss, flu-like symptoms, anxiety, and acne.”

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5296 Ivan Trembow Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:59:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5296 Phil Baroni's suspension being reduced is ridiculous, as is the debacle of Sherk's submitted paperwork not even being distributed and read by the commissioners. This two-week delay in Sherk's case, even though it comes after months of delays from Sherk's reps, is going to make a sympathetic figure out of a guy who tested positive for steroids. But at least in Sherk's case he could argue that it was a contaminated supplement or something along those lines, and it COULD be true. In Baroni's case, the primary reason that the reduction of the suspension is so ridiculous is because one of the two steroids for which he tested positive was a HORSE steroid (Boldenone). Then again, that was also the case with James Toney (who was a repeat steroid offender), and yet the CSAC inexplicably reduced his suspension as well. Apparently, if you want to get your steroids suspension reduced in California, the Toney and Baroni cases tell us that the best way to do it is to make sure that the steroid for which you test positive is a horse steroid that would be illegal for any doctor to prescribe to you, or for any supplement company to include even in trace amounts in their supplements. Horse steroids are the way to go! That way if a fighter says he got them from his doctor, we know that it must be a simple case of the fighter's doctor being veterinarian who also treats patients with animal steroids on the side. Perfectly understandable! And if a fighter says he accidentally ingested the horse steroid from a supplement, we know that it must be a simple case of a fighter who likes taking horse supplements because they help the fighter build strong calf muscles, keep his mane shiny, and prevent his hooves from becoming brittle. Again, perfectly understandable! Phil Baroni’s suspension being reduced is ridiculous, as is the debacle of Sherk’s submitted paperwork not even being distributed and read by the commissioners. This two-week delay in Sherk’s case, even though it comes after months of delays from Sherk’s reps, is going to make a sympathetic figure out of a guy who tested positive for steroids.

But at least in Sherk’s case he could argue that it was a contaminated supplement or something along those lines, and it COULD be true.

In Baroni’s case, the primary reason that the reduction of the suspension is so ridiculous is because one of the two steroids for which he tested positive was a HORSE steroid (Boldenone). Then again, that was also the case with James Toney (who was a repeat steroid offender), and yet the CSAC inexplicably reduced his suspension as well.

Apparently, if you want to get your steroids suspension reduced in California, the Toney and Baroni cases tell us that the best way to do it is to make sure that the steroid for which you test positive is a horse steroid that would be illegal for any doctor to prescribe to you, or for any supplement company to include even in trace amounts in their supplements.

Horse steroids are the way to go! That way if a fighter says he got them from his doctor, we know that it must be a simple case of the fighter’s doctor being veterinarian who also treats patients with animal steroids on the side. Perfectly understandable!

And if a fighter says he accidentally ingested the horse steroid from a supplement, we know that it must be a simple case of a fighter who likes taking horse supplements because they help the fighter build strong calf muscles, keep his mane shiny, and prevent his hooves from becoming brittle. Again, perfectly understandable!

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]]> By: Schlegel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5283 Schlegel Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:44:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5283 Oh...and I meant to ask...Did the commsion give a reason for the sentence reduction? Oh and from what I hear Sherk got an extension..? Maybe he should have gone before them today...It sounds like they were in a generous mood. Oh…and I meant to ask…Did the commsion give a reason for the sentence reduction?

Oh and from what I hear Sherk got an extension..? Maybe he should have gone before them today…It sounds like they were in a generous mood.

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]]> By: Schlegel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5282 Schlegel Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:40:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5282 I totally agree with all of you that say Dana should strip the title from Sherk. I think it sheds a very negative light on the UFC if they allow their champion to hold on to the title after testing positive for performance enhancers. Dana himself says that he is in this to "grow the sport", and I think this is a chance for him to make a statement, the Title has to be stripped. Sam Cupitt also brings up a great point that it is absolutely ridiculous that Nick Diaz gets a harsher sentence for marijuana than guys are getting for steroids. I totally agree with all of you that say Dana should strip the title from Sherk. I think it sheds a very negative light on the UFC if they allow their champion to hold on to the title after testing positive for performance enhancers. Dana himself says that he is in this to “grow the sport”, and I think this is a chance for him to make a statement, the Title has to be stripped.
Sam Cupitt also brings up a great point that it is absolutely ridiculous that Nick Diaz gets a harsher sentence for marijuana than guys are getting for steroids.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5280 Sam Cupitt Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:31:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5280 If Sherk gets his sentence reduced and lets him fight in January this will be a supreme amount of shit. Nick Diaz got 9 months for Marijuana, and Sean Sherks probably gonna get 6 months for an actual performance inhancing drug. Sure Sherk may not have known hed taken a performance inhancing drug but i'm pretty sure Nick Diaz didn't either. Sherk also has got to be getting close to getting his title stripped for inactivity as well. He has like 7 month layoffs in between fights, the lightweight division is too stacked for this and it gets the public offside. If Sherk gets his sentence reduced and lets him fight in January this will be a supreme amount of shit. Nick Diaz got 9 months for Marijuana, and Sean Sherks probably gonna get 6 months for an actual performance inhancing drug. Sure Sherk may not have known hed taken a performance inhancing drug but i’m pretty sure Nick Diaz didn’t either.

Sherk also has got to be getting close to getting his title stripped for inactivity as well. He has like 7 month layoffs in between fights, the lightweight division is too stacked for this and it gets the public offside.

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]]> By: robnashville http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5278 robnashville Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:23:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5278 The situation would kinda stink to high heaven if he didn't strip the title and set up a fight between Penn and Stevenson. They will probably do something like they did with Tim Sylvia after his positive test, strip the belt then render that point moot by making his first fight back for the title (like they did with Mir vs Sylvia.) I thought that was a garbage decision at the time and it looks like history will repeat itself. They (Zuffa) need to actually PUNISH some one for using roids, something that Dana seems to not want to do. He has pushed all of the disciplinary measures off on the athletic commission. The situation would kinda stink to high heaven if he didn’t strip the title and set up a fight between Penn and Stevenson. They will probably do something like they did with Tim Sylvia after his positive test, strip the belt then render that point moot by making his first fight back for the title (like they did with Mir vs Sylvia.) I thought that was a garbage decision at the time and it looks like history will repeat itself.

They (Zuffa) need to actually PUNISH some one for using roids, something that Dana seems to not want to do. He has pushed all of the disciplinary measures off on the athletic commission.

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5276 Adam Morgan Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:38:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5276 Let's not forget that Dana and Sherk are boys. I wouldn't be so sure about Dana stripping the title. Let’s not forget that Dana and Sherk are boys. I wouldn’t be so sure about Dana stripping the title.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/comment-page-1/#comment-5275 HexRei Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:32:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/10/31/phil-baronis-suspension-reduced/#comment-5275 i suspect dana will strip the title regardless. he can't knowingly have a champion who admittedly used steroids during his continuing title reign, regardless of what penalties the CSAC levies. i suspect dana will strip the title regardless. he can’t knowingly have a champion who admittedly used steroids during his continuing title reign, regardless of what penalties the CSAC levies.

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