Comments on: Four IFL fighters fail to make weight for World Grand Prix http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5471 Sam Caplan Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:19:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5471 <p>Ben, the IFL should still let Ray and Heleno fight but it should be in a non-tournament match. The tournament is for the welterweight (170 lbs.) title. Not a catch weight title. If Hieron was the only guy who showed up ready to fight then he should be awarded the title or a suitable challenger should be sought up to fight him in the final on Dec. 29.</p> <p>The weight classes are arbitrary to put a cap on how much the fighters can weigh within a class. If Heleno and Ray aren't interested in adhering to 170 lbs., then why sign to fight in welterweight matches? There's always the middleweight division.</p> <p>Allowing these guys to get away with missing weight sets a bad precedent. Why should a fighter bust his ass to cut weight if he feels like he can get away with only a wrist slap? That's why we should care. It sends a bad message and compromises the integrity of the weight classes.</p> <p>This is the start of the most important event in thus far in IFL history thus far and it's disrespectful to everyone who works hard in the organization for Ray and Heleno to come in overweight in light of all the changes that have already happened to the field.</p> Ben, the IFL should still let Ray and Heleno fight but it should be in a non-tournament match. The tournament is for the welterweight (170 lbs.) title. Not a catch weight title. If Hieron was the only guy who showed up ready to fight then he should be awarded the title or a suitable challenger should be sought up to fight him in the final on Dec. 29.

The weight classes are arbitrary to put a cap on how much the fighters can weigh within a class. If Heleno and Ray aren’t interested in adhering to 170 lbs., then why sign to fight in welterweight matches? There’s always the middleweight division.

Allowing these guys to get away with missing weight sets a bad precedent. Why should a fighter bust his ass to cut weight if he feels like he can get away with only a wrist slap? That’s why we should care. It sends a bad message and compromises the integrity of the weight classes.

This is the start of the most important event in thus far in IFL history thus far and it’s disrespectful to everyone who works hard in the organization for Ray and Heleno to come in overweight in light of all the changes that have already happened to the field.

]]> By: Ben Fowlkes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5470 Ben Fowlkes Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:07:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5470 Sam, I see your point, but what do you want the IFL to do? Not let them fight? Weight classes are fairly arbitrary anyway, so if Heleno and Ray are two pounds apart and don't have a problem with it, why should we? As for the purse concession, usually there is one. I don't know the details or if it's happening in this case, but usually the guy who makes the weight gets a cut of the money from the guy who doesn't. Sam, I see your point, but what do you want the IFL to do? Not let them fight? Weight classes are fairly arbitrary anyway, so if Heleno and Ray are two pounds apart and don’t have a problem with it, why should we?

As for the purse concession, usually there is one. I don’t know the details or if it’s happening in this case, but usually the guy who makes the weight gets a cut of the money from the guy who doesn’t.

]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5469 Jeremy Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:49:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5469 My biggest disappointment didn't really have to do with the weights but the injuries(which I know they can't help) and the contract issue they had. Those were interesting fights and fighters in each weight category that they lost. The weight issue I tend to agree with Sam's feelings, Liles I can accept a little but the other guys should have gotten down to the weight. Does anyone know if there will be any kind of purse concession to say, Foster for allowing the fight to still happen? My biggest disappointment didn’t really have to do with the weights but the injuries(which I know they can’t help) and the contract issue they had. Those were interesting fights and fighters in each weight category that they lost. The weight issue I tend to agree with Sam’s feelings, Liles I can accept a little but the other guys should have gotten down to the weight.

Does anyone know if there will be any kind of purse concession to say, Foster for allowing the fight to still happen?

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5468 Sam Caplan Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:42:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5468 Ben, while I think canceling the card as it was suggested was a little extreme, I do think there is a valid concern with the weights. These aren't a bunch of regional fighters who are fighting on a small show in front of friends and family. It's a big time show we're talking about here and these guys are competing for titles in individual weight classes. It just seems odd that Deleno and Ray are fighting in a semifinal bout for the welterweight title when both guys are over 170 lbs. Ben, while I think canceling the card as it was suggested was a little extreme, I do think there is a valid concern with the weights. These aren’t a bunch of regional fighters who are fighting on a small show in front of friends and family. It’s a big time show we’re talking about here and these guys are competing for titles in individual weight classes. It just seems odd that Deleno and Ray are fighting in a semifinal bout for the welterweight title when both guys are over 170 lbs.

]]> By: Ben Fowlkes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5464 Ben Fowlkes Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:39:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5464 I think you guys are overreacting a little. Liles was added just a little while ago, Ray and Heleno agreed to the catch weight before the weigh-in, and Horwich could have dropped the extra pound and a half if he needed to, but Foster let him slide. Do you guys really care that much if a couple of guys missed weight? It hasn't changed the fight card any. I think you guys are overreacting a little. Liles was added just a little while ago, Ray and Heleno agreed to the catch weight before the weigh-in, and Horwich could have dropped the extra pound and a half if he needed to, but Foster let him slide.

Do you guys really care that much if a couple of guys missed weight? It hasn’t changed the fight card any.

]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5462 mike wolfe Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:31:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5462 Good grief. Two of the marquee fighters are yanked because of dubious contract disputes, several more can't fight due to injuries, and some can't even make weight. They should cancel the thing to avoid looking like second rate bush leaguers. Good grief. Two of the marquee fighters are yanked because of dubious contract disputes, several more can’t fight due to injuries, and some can’t even make weight. They should cancel the thing to avoid looking like second rate bush leaguers.

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5456 Evan Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:36:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5456 Right there with you Jeremy. When I first heard about this I was very excited but every time I read about something afterwards my enthusiasm drops just a little more. I still can't believe its only an hour. Right there with you Jeremy. When I first heard about this I was very excited but every time I read about something afterwards my enthusiasm drops just a little more. I still can’t believe its only an hour.

]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/comment-page-1/#comment-5455 Jeremy Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:32:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/03/four-ifl-fighters-fail-to-make-weight-for-world-grand-prix/#comment-5455 Seemed like a great idea to begin with by the IFL but poor planning there after. It's a shame all that has gone wrong with the GP as it was an extremely interesting event at one point. I am still going to watch but the excitement level has certainly dropped for me somewhat. Seemed like a great idea to begin with by the IFL but poor planning there after. It’s a shame all that has gone wrong with the GP as it was an extremely interesting event at one point. I am still going to watch but the excitement level has certainly dropped for me somewhat.

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