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	<title>Comments on: TUF 6: Episode 8 Thoughts/Recap</title>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5807</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^I haven&#039;t watched yet, so I&#039;ll take your word for it.  Guess I should also pick up a six-pack on the way home before I watch, so thanks for the heads up.  If it&#039;s that bad I might have to watch the end of last week&#039;s episode just so I can see that shot of Hughes shakin his head again.  Man that was awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^I haven&#8217;t watched yet, so I&#8217;ll take your word for it.  Guess I should also pick up a six-pack on the way home before I watch, so thanks for the heads up.  If it&#8217;s that bad I might have to watch the end of last week&#8217;s episode just so I can see that shot of Hughes shakin his head again.  Man that was awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain-

No leash. This episode was just lame all around. Not enough people to poke fun at.</description>
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<p>No leash. This episode was just lame all around. Not enough people to poke fun at.</p>
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		<title>By: MoreThanUFC</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>MoreThanUFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re so confident that you know what should have happened during the fight…then I say you get into MMA and go fight War Machine and see if your techniques work against a trained fighter.&quot;

A statement I would guess comes out of the mouth of someone who doesnt train.  

I fight in MMA, albiet still amatuers.  I&#039;m 4-1 now after dropping my first via decision to a guy with 6 amatuer bouts to his credit.  The last four wins have all come via sub or tap to strikes from the mount.  Those are my qualifications, along with 16 years training military HTH, 10 in jujitsu, and 2.5 in muay thai.   

I completely agree with Luke&#039;s assessment, so if you dont buy his opinion, I suggest you buy mine.  I know I know what I&#039;m doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re so confident that you know what should have happened during the fight…then I say you get into MMA and go fight War Machine and see if your techniques work against a trained fighter.&#8221;</p>
<p>A statement I would guess comes out of the mouth of someone who doesnt train.  </p>
<p>I fight in MMA, albiet still amatuers.  I&#8217;m 4-1 now after dropping my first via decision to a guy with 6 amatuer bouts to his credit.  The last four wins have all come via sub or tap to strikes from the mount.  Those are my qualifications, along with 16 years training military HTH, 10 in jujitsu, and 2.5 in muay thai.   </p>
<p>I completely agree with Luke&#8217;s assessment, so if you dont buy his opinion, I suggest you buy mine.  I know I know what I&#8217;m doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This recap seems a little tame if you ask me.  Did someone put Morgan on a leash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This recap seems a little tame if you ask me.  Did someone put Morgan on a leash?</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5780</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also next episode dana white changes things up a bit....serra doesn&#039;t get to pick the fights, but instead Hughes gets to pick the fights.

just my personal feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also next episode dana white changes things up a bit&#8230;.serra doesn&#8217;t get to pick the fights, but instead Hughes gets to pick the fights.</p>
<p>just my personal feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to explain yourself to me Luke. I too train on a weekly basisr. I was raised in a family of 6 brothers and I&#039;ve been doing &quot;real&quot; wrestling since the age of 6. I understand fundamentals of leverage in a ground fight. If you&#039;re so confident that you know what should have happened during the fight...then I say you get into MMA and go fight War Machine and see if your techniques work against a trained fighter.

The thing is...these guys haven&#039;t fought infront of the camera...nervous take a factor in how you perform in front of millions of viewers. They were both gased out in the first round. War Machine had his hooks in from the choke, but Tommy struggled to get out of it and did so. They are both good fighters and they both deserve alot of respect from the MMA community.

also if you watched the fight...ic ould have swore that tommy tapped out from the choke while being on his side. Not sure if anyone else noticed that or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to explain yourself to me Luke. I too train on a weekly basisr. I was raised in a family of 6 brothers and I&#8217;ve been doing &#8220;real&#8221; wrestling since the age of 6. I understand fundamentals of leverage in a ground fight. If you&#8217;re so confident that you know what should have happened during the fight&#8230;then I say you get into MMA and go fight War Machine and see if your techniques work against a trained fighter.</p>
<p>The thing is&#8230;these guys haven&#8217;t fought infront of the camera&#8230;nervous take a factor in how you perform in front of millions of viewers. They were both gased out in the first round. War Machine had his hooks in from the choke, but Tommy struggled to get out of it and did so. They are both good fighters and they both deserve alot of respect from the MMA community.</p>
<p>also if you watched the fight&#8230;ic ould have swore that tommy tapped out from the choke while being on his side. Not sure if anyone else noticed that or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazylegs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazylegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I completely agree with you on your technical analysis of War Machine&#039;s fight.

The only disagreement I have is that I don&#039;t feel the UFC is trying to pass these fights off as A-level caliber.  They are definitely, for the most part, entertaining but the point of the show is to &quot;discover&quot; an A-level fighter (or possibly two) who could possibly make it in the UFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I completely agree with you on your technical analysis of War Machine&#8217;s fight.</p>
<p>The only disagreement I have is that I don&#8217;t feel the UFC is trying to pass these fights off as A-level caliber.  They are definitely, for the most part, entertaining but the point of the show is to &#8220;discover&#8221; an A-level fighter (or possibly two) who could possibly make it in the UFC.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trained = train...present tense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trained = train&#8230;present tense</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5774</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Luke try being gased out and getting out of a mount.&quot;

Um, I have. A lot. A whole lot. You see, I trained and mount escapes is an important component of that. No one is saying it&#039;s easy. What I&#039;m saying is that escaping the mount - tired or not - requires certain fundamentals that War Machine wasn&#039;t practicing. Making you tired doesn&#039;t mean your memory is erased.

If someone is mounted on you, you should always be moving trying to shrimp your hips out. Always. Always keep moving your hips. The WHOLE POINT of the mount is to leave your opponent with no way to use their hips. When you move, that makes your opponent&#039;s ability to stay on top that much more difficult. Moreover, you never actually SIT in mount. There should be distance between your ass and your opponents body because if you sit on them and they bridge, you stand a much better chance of getting bucked. 

The key opportunity to escape the mount is when your opponent throws a punch. If you&#039;re bridging he should come forward, allowing you just enough space to shrimp your hips out and recapture half if not full guard. Tommy was LITERALLY SITTING ON WAR MACHINE. Not only that, he was sitting low. A good mount is right up inside the arm pits. Tommy was leaning over to punch for crying out loud. I&#039;m sure Tommy is strong as an ox, but from a technical level, mounts don&#039;t get much easier to escape than that. War Machine could&#039;ve given his back and it would&#039;ve been better than what he was doing. Hell, roll to the side. At least from there you can tempt the arm bar and you stand a better chance of getting your hips outside.

Don&#039;t lecture me on mount escapes unless you&#039;ve done them yourself. I realize these guys on the show are young and just need some experience. I&#039;m not saying they&#039;re bad fighters, I&#039;m saying they&#039;re inexperienced and it shows. Either War Machine doesn&#039;t know mount escapes (unlikely) or he abandoned them and spazzed out (more likely). Either way, that proves he&#039;s young in the fight game AND that this fight was very short of anything approximating &quot;technical&quot;. 

They both fought their hearts out and my hat goes off to them, but that doesn&#039;t in and of itself make it a great or A-level fight. Gameness isn&#039;t enough at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Luke try being gased out and getting out of a mount.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, I have. A lot. A whole lot. You see, I trained and mount escapes is an important component of that. No one is saying it&#8217;s easy. What I&#8217;m saying is that escaping the mount &#8211; tired or not &#8211; requires certain fundamentals that War Machine wasn&#8217;t practicing. Making you tired doesn&#8217;t mean your memory is erased.</p>
<p>If someone is mounted on you, you should always be moving trying to shrimp your hips out. Always. Always keep moving your hips. The WHOLE POINT of the mount is to leave your opponent with no way to use their hips. When you move, that makes your opponent&#8217;s ability to stay on top that much more difficult. Moreover, you never actually SIT in mount. There should be distance between your ass and your opponents body because if you sit on them and they bridge, you stand a much better chance of getting bucked. </p>
<p>The key opportunity to escape the mount is when your opponent throws a punch. If you&#8217;re bridging he should come forward, allowing you just enough space to shrimp your hips out and recapture half if not full guard. Tommy was LITERALLY SITTING ON WAR MACHINE. Not only that, he was sitting low. A good mount is right up inside the arm pits. Tommy was leaning over to punch for crying out loud. I&#8217;m sure Tommy is strong as an ox, but from a technical level, mounts don&#8217;t get much easier to escape than that. War Machine could&#8217;ve given his back and it would&#8217;ve been better than what he was doing. Hell, roll to the side. At least from there you can tempt the arm bar and you stand a better chance of getting your hips outside.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t lecture me on mount escapes unless you&#8217;ve done them yourself. I realize these guys on the show are young and just need some experience. I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re bad fighters, I&#8217;m saying they&#8217;re inexperienced and it shows. Either War Machine doesn&#8217;t know mount escapes (unlikely) or he abandoned them and spazzed out (more likely). Either way, that proves he&#8217;s young in the fight game AND that this fight was very short of anything approximating &#8220;technical&#8221;. </p>
<p>They both fought their hearts out and my hat goes off to them, but that doesn&#8217;t in and of itself make it a great or A-level fight. Gameness isn&#8217;t enough at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5771</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke try being gased out and getting out of a mount. Plus these guys don&#039;t have days to rest before a fight like the real UFC Professionals. Look passed the fact that they have &quot;UFC&quot; in the title of the show and you&#039;ll see it was an excellent fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke try being gased out and getting out of a mount. Plus these guys don&#8217;t have days to rest before a fight like the real UFC Professionals. Look passed the fact that they have &#8220;UFC&#8221; in the title of the show and you&#8217;ll see it was an excellent fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5766</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but that was one of the worst fights in TUF history. To say that War Machine has very little to offer from his back is an understatement. He had virtually no half guard, he was WAY too high on the back, he didn&#039;t tuck his glove under his chin to finish the choke, and worst of all, didn&#039;t try A SINGLE escape from Speer&#039;s VERY ESCAPABLE mount. Tommy was sitting below his stomach for crying out loud. His punches didn&#039;t have a lot of steam on them and not once did War Machine try to bridge to shrimp to half guard. That is BJJ 101. I&#039;m sorry, but that fight sucked and I cannot believe the UFC is passing this off as A-level MMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but that was one of the worst fights in TUF history. To say that War Machine has very little to offer from his back is an understatement. He had virtually no half guard, he was WAY too high on the back, he didn&#8217;t tuck his glove under his chin to finish the choke, and worst of all, didn&#8217;t try A SINGLE escape from Speer&#8217;s VERY ESCAPABLE mount. Tommy was sitting below his stomach for crying out loud. His punches didn&#8217;t have a lot of steam on them and not once did War Machine try to bridge to shrimp to half guard. That is BJJ 101. I&#8217;m sorry, but that fight sucked and I cannot believe the UFC is passing this off as A-level MMA.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/08/tuf-6-episode-8-thoughtsrecap/comment-page-1/#comment-5765</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy gased out in the first round struggling to get away from the rear naked choke. They were both gased out from the first round. Tommy was just the smarter fighter in both rounds. I think if Tommy didn&#039;t recieve that vicious right from war machine that opened up that wound between his eyes...he could have finished the fight in the first round by ref stopage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy gased out in the first round struggling to get away from the rear naked choke. They were both gased out from the first round. Tommy was just the smarter fighter in both rounds. I think if Tommy didn&#8217;t recieve that vicious right from war machine that opened up that wound between his eyes&#8230;he could have finished the fight in the first round by ref stopage.</p>
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		<title>By: garth</title>
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		<dc:creator>garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy&#039;s strikes from the top didn&#039;t look so great or viscious... it looked more like him sitting on top of John for most of the fight is what caused the problem...Tommy&#039;s a big dude and knows how to apply weight. john looked amazingly gassed. i think he did a fantastic job of fighting someone with well above-average wrestling skills. 
in the end, i&#039;d like to see both guys fight again. entertaining fight, and i finally learned my lesson and just recorded that, instead of littering my DVR with the whole ep. keen!
side note: which fighters haven&#039;t cried yet? who&#039;s setting a line on when the remaining non-cryers will leak hot slaty tears? George and Mac are the only ones i&#039;d bet on not crying at all, and maybe Richie since he seems like a soulless frat boy. just a guess tho, TV adds ten pounds to your asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy&#8217;s strikes from the top didn&#8217;t look so great or viscious&#8230; it looked more like him sitting on top of John for most of the fight is what caused the problem&#8230;Tommy&#8217;s a big dude and knows how to apply weight. john looked amazingly gassed. i think he did a fantastic job of fighting someone with well above-average wrestling skills.<br />
in the end, i&#8217;d like to see both guys fight again. entertaining fight, and i finally learned my lesson and just recorded that, instead of littering my DVR with the whole ep. keen!<br />
side note: which fighters haven&#8217;t cried yet? who&#8217;s setting a line on when the remaining non-cryers will leak hot slaty tears? George and Mac are the only ones i&#8217;d bet on not crying at all, and maybe Richie since he seems like a soulless frat boy. just a guess tho, TV adds ten pounds to your asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: jaydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>War-Machine said his specialty was ground&#039;n&#039;pound.  We&#039;ll he gets him down against  the fence (and bloodied!) and what does he do?  He goes for a choke and does very little damage while he&#039;s in control.  It&#039;s all downhill from there.  Clearly a case of nerves.  War-Machine psyched himself out and we saw a lot of sloppy attempts at punishment.  Okay, everyone&#039;s a critic.  I&#039;m just looking forward to the series boiling down to the few credible fighters on this cast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War-Machine said his specialty was ground&#8217;n'pound.  We&#8217;ll he gets him down against  the fence (and bloodied!) and what does he do?  He goes for a choke and does very little damage while he&#8217;s in control.  It&#8217;s all downhill from there.  Clearly a case of nerves.  War-Machine psyched himself out and we saw a lot of sloppy attempts at punishment.  Okay, everyone&#8217;s a critic.  I&#8217;m just looking forward to the series boiling down to the few credible fighters on this cast.</p>
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		<title>By: screwface</title>
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		<dc:creator>screwface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good fight, warmachine did better than i thought. tommy almost tapped early in 1st round, when warmachine was on his back choking him, tommy def tapped his arm once and then rethought it. good fight tho but shame war didnt listen to serras advice. serra clearly said during the training that the reason why he kept getting taken down was cuz of those leg kicks. so 2nd round when war came in with the obvious 2nd leg kick tommy knew it was comin and dominated the round on the ground. war mighta had a better chance if he kept it standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good fight, warmachine did better than i thought. tommy almost tapped early in 1st round, when warmachine was on his back choking him, tommy def tapped his arm once and then rethought it. good fight tho but shame war didnt listen to serras advice. serra clearly said during the training that the reason why he kept getting taken down was cuz of those leg kicks. so 2nd round when war came in with the obvious 2nd leg kick tommy knew it was comin and dominated the round on the ground. war mighta had a better chance if he kept it standing.</p>
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