Comments on: The Unpopular Position: Michael Bisping Was Robbed http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 17:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6636 screwface Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:06:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6636 #42 maybe i shouldnt of said more strikes, shouldve said more convincing and damaging strikes. sorry if that seems "foolish" but rashad does get bruised up in fights. and when this fight was over he looked same as goin in. #42 maybe i shouldnt of said more strikes, shouldve said more convincing and damaging strikes. sorry if that seems “foolish” but rashad does get bruised up in fights. and when this fight was over he looked same as goin in.

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]]> By: Slakdawg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6578 Slakdawg Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:15:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6578 #39 - Rashad didnt have more strikes. And it wasnt even close. According to Compustrike, Bisping threw/landed 97/38 punches to Rashad's 56/18. Bisping had 33 power strikes to Rashad's 17. He threw/landed 19/14 kicks to Rashad's 2/0. He landed 5 strikes from the clinch to Rashad's 1. Evans may have won the takedown battle, but Bisping clearly won the standup. To say otherwise is foolish. #39 – Rashad didnt have more strikes. And it wasnt even close. According to Compustrike, Bisping threw/landed 97/38 punches to Rashad’s 56/18. Bisping had 33 power strikes to Rashad’s 17. He threw/landed 19/14 kicks to Rashad’s 2/0. He landed 5 strikes from the clinch to Rashad’s 1. Evans may have won the takedown battle, but Bisping clearly won the standup. To say otherwise is foolish.

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]]> By: TINO http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6565 TINO Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:27:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6565 Takedowns are more of an offense than being taken down. If you don't want to lose by being taken down, don't let them take you down. Bisping got dominated the first round, woke up half way through the second and did not do enough in the third to win. Takedowns are more of an offense than being taken down. If you don’t want to lose by being taken down, don’t let them take you down. Bisping got dominated the first round, woke up half way through the second and did not do enough in the third to win.

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]]> By: Da Twin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6519 Da Twin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:47:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6519 Sugar is a gay nickname!!! Sugar is a gay nickname!!!

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]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6473 screwface Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:58:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6473 quite simply the takedowns and lay and pray may be boring but it establishes dominance, rashad won the standup with more strikes, and more takedowns and stayed on top on the ground. you cant win a fight because you had good defense, offense is the deciding factor. bispings face showed the damage. it was an extremely boring fight, but theres no logical argument for bisping was robbed. sorry, but if u actually think bisping won, then ur just 1 of many rashad haters, and i understand. rashads only clearly finished a few fights and thats very frustrating for fans to watch. quite simply the takedowns and lay and pray may be boring but it establishes dominance, rashad won the standup with more strikes, and more takedowns and stayed on top on the ground. you cant win a fight because you had good defense, offense is the deciding factor. bispings face showed the damage. it was an extremely boring fight, but theres no logical argument for bisping was robbed. sorry, but if u actually think bisping won, then ur just 1 of many rashad haters, and i understand. rashads only clearly finished a few fights and thats very frustrating for fans to watch.

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]]> By: THORAZINE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6469 THORAZINE Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:39:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6469 Ben Fowlkes, I think the way you're doing the 10 point system is not quite correct.. you forget that after the takedown, Rashad peppered Bis with small shots,,, many of those punches count as points, that's the major advantage a fighter has when he takes it to the gound... Bis may have had the edge in the standup... but the takedowns and many small punches add up.... Who's to say that a kick to the leg or punch to the body or light jab to the head adds up to more than takedowns and small punches to the body or head? RASHAD DEFINITELY WON- I feel BIS was definitely in the fight and was close to turning it around at times... but Rashad had just enough gas in his tank to finish a 3 rounder, a 5 rounder would have had a different result... but Rashad wasn't training for a 5 rounder either. Ben Fowlkes,

I think the way you’re doing the 10 point system is not quite correct.. you forget that after the takedown, Rashad peppered Bis with small shots,,, many of those punches count as points, that’s the major advantage a fighter has when he takes it to the gound… Bis may have had the edge in the standup… but the takedowns and many small punches add up….

Who’s to say that a kick to the leg or punch to the body or light jab to the head adds up to more than takedowns and small punches to the body or head?

RASHAD DEFINITELY WON-

I feel BIS was definitely in the fight and was close to turning it around at times… but Rashad had just enough gas in his tank to finish a 3 rounder, a 5 rounder would have had a different result… but Rashad wasn’t training for a 5 rounder either.

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]]> By: Bob Langevin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6463 Bob Langevin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:24:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6463 Great article. I do think Rashad won convincingly the 10 must system worked in his favor. I agree that not all things Pride were better, but the judging criteria and system is better. On your second point, a take down does not equal offense, I would like to put it simply. YOU WRONG! ( I mean it in a nice way to encourage debate, not in the ass head way.) MMA is the sport of fighting, if you fight you end up on the ground 90% of the time. The guy that scores the take down is proving a domination of the opponent. Sure take downs do not always do damage, they don't always look flashy, but it proves an element of control over the foe. Offense is not just doing damage, in other sports when you are in possession of the ball, puck, Frisbee, shuttlecock etc etc etc, you are on offense. Offense does not = damage. Offense is control, offense should be defined as an effective attack, not a damaging attack. Take downs are about putting your opponent in a position against their will. If you can take a guy down you may not be doing damage, but you are certainly taking control of the opponent. I love take downs. It shows a great skill, and a control of the opponent as important as out striking them, although admittedly not as exciting as a dominating win by strikes. All in all it was a good fight not a great fight, Bisping showed better than I thought, and the right fighter won. P.S. I love that this window has spell check, or I would come of as a complete idiot instead of half an idiot. Cheers. Cheers, and I enjoyed reading your interesting if flawed opinion. Great article. I do think Rashad won convincingly the 10 must system worked in his favor. I agree that not all things Pride were better, but the judging criteria and system is better. On your second point, a take down does not equal offense, I would like to put it simply.

YOU WRONG!
( I mean it in a nice way to encourage debate, not in the ass head way.)

MMA is the sport of fighting, if you fight you end up on the ground 90% of the time. The guy that scores the take down is proving a domination of the opponent. Sure take downs do not always do damage, they don’t always look flashy, but it proves an element of control over the foe. Offense is not just doing damage, in other sports when you are in possession of the ball, puck, Frisbee, shuttlecock etc etc etc, you are on offense. Offense does not = damage. Offense is control, offense should be defined as an effective attack, not a damaging attack. Take downs are about putting your opponent in a position against their will. If you can take a guy down you may not be doing damage, but you are certainly taking control of the opponent. I love take downs. It shows a great skill, and a control of the opponent as important as out striking them, although admittedly not as exciting as a dominating win by strikes.

All in all it was a good fight not a great fight, Bisping showed better than I thought, and the right fighter won.

P.S. I love that this window has spell check, or I would come of as a complete idiot instead of half an idiot.

Cheers.

Cheers, and I enjoyed reading your interesting if flawed opinion.

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]]> By: egad81 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6461 egad81 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:06:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6461 Cung Le Cung Le Cung Le Consider me officially on his band wagon. Anyone know where we can find the official rules on judges scoring? If a takedown is a point.... Is an escape a point? Is there any documentation? Cung Le Cung Le Cung Le

Consider me officially on his band wagon.

Anyone know where we can find the official rules on judges scoring?

If a takedown is a point…. Is an escape a point?
Is there any documentation?

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]]> By: Anton K http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6456 Anton K Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:09:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6456 No matter what, both fighters have to improve if they want to continue developing a fan base in the UFC. They're just not that interesting. In fact, for the first time, I began to see that mma in general isn't all that interesting unless the fighters really go for a finish. No matter what, both fighters have to improve if they want to continue developing a fan base in the UFC. They’re just not that interesting. In fact, for the first time, I began to see that mma in general isn’t all that interesting unless the fighters really go for a finish.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL ™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6455 MMA SKOOL ™ Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:43:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6455 Evans/Bisping = Me saving my money for Liddell/Silva (and now Henderson/Silva) Evans and Bisping are like Patrick Cote... Just some dude even Tito can beat on an off night. A UFC journeyman... There's gotta be someone out there with a contract and a losing record. Evans/Bisping = Me saving my money for Liddell/Silva (and now Henderson/Silva)

Evans and Bisping are like Patrick Cote… Just some dude even Tito can beat on an off night. A UFC journeyman… There’s gotta be someone out there with a contract and a losing record.

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]]> By: Slakdawg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6453 Slakdawg Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:18:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6453 It was brought up earlier and I agree - a takedown followed by lay and pray is no different than Tim Sylvia pressing Brandon Vera up against the cage and "laying" on him. Should Sylvia have gotten points for "octagon control" because he pinned Vera against the cage and did nothing? No, and Evans shouldnt have either. Some fighters use the takedown as a means to get to ground and pound (Tito, Matt Hughes, etc.) Others use a takedown as a means to lay and pray and rack up easy points. This type of fighting should not be rewarded. On a side note, I saw a stat Sunday about the number of punches thrown and landed by each fighter (I wish I had the link) and it was ridiculous. Bisping threw and landed a vast number more punches and kicks than Rashad did. You can say Evans had better power punches, but when I saw the sheer volume of shots landed by Bisping as opposed to the minute quantity landed by Evans it wouldnt make a bit of difference. A stat should in no way decide a fight, but for people saying that Bisping didnt really win the stand up...well, that's just crazy. My opinion is that this was MMA's version of the make up call. Bisping probably got away with one in England, so we'll take one away from him on his next one. It was brought up earlier and I agree – a takedown followed by lay and pray is no different than Tim Sylvia pressing Brandon Vera up against the cage and “laying” on him. Should Sylvia have gotten points for “octagon control” because he pinned Vera against the cage and did nothing? No, and Evans shouldnt have either. Some fighters use the takedown as a means to get to ground and pound (Tito, Matt Hughes, etc.) Others use a takedown as a means to lay and pray and rack up easy points. This type of fighting should not be rewarded.

On a side note, I saw a stat Sunday about the number of punches thrown and landed by each fighter (I wish I had the link) and it was ridiculous. Bisping threw and landed a vast number more punches and kicks than Rashad did. You can say Evans had better power punches, but when I saw the sheer volume of shots landed by Bisping as opposed to the minute quantity landed by Evans it wouldnt make a bit of difference. A stat should in no way decide a fight, but for people saying that Bisping didnt really win the stand up…well, that’s just crazy. My opinion is that this was MMA’s version of the make up call. Bisping probably got away with one in England, so we’ll take one away from him on his next one.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6450 Sam Cupitt Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:55:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6450 I guess you could tweak the 10 point must system so that the judges give 10-8 rounds more easily. For example the first round of Bisping and Hamill would have been a 10-8 and the first round of Overeem and Buentello was a 10-7. I know this opens up for a higher percent chance of a draw but it does reward the fighters for being more dfominant than the other fighter. I am completely over Rashad Evans now. His tactics and skills just arent impressive or exciting enough for me to be interested in him. I guess you could tweak the 10 point must system so that the judges give 10-8 rounds more easily. For example the first round of Bisping and Hamill would have been a 10-8 and the first round of Overeem and Buentello was a 10-7. I know this opens up for a higher percent chance of a draw but it does reward the fighters for being more dfominant than the other fighter.

I am completely over Rashad Evans now. His tactics and skills just arent impressive or exciting enough for me to be interested in him.

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]]> By: a. hieronymous http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6445 a. hieronymous Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:30:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6445 Bisping won that fight. He fought off takedowns, had cleaner stand-up, & was able to escape from each session of lay'n'pray. Rashad only had ONE real takedown (where he picked Bisping up)...the others were weak & could in no way be considered part of an offense. It was basically a wrestler's version of pulling guard. The 10 point system would be perfect if we could allow for a little more flexibility. SHuoldn't Bisping be awarded for standing back up when Evans has him pinned on the mat against the fence? At the very least that should negate the points scored for the takedown. Bisping won that fight. He fought off takedowns, had cleaner stand-up, & was able to escape from each session of lay’n'pray. Rashad only had ONE real takedown (where he picked Bisping up)…the others were weak & could in no way be considered part of an offense. It was basically a wrestler’s version of pulling guard. The 10 point system would be perfect if we could allow for a little more flexibility. SHuoldn’t Bisping be awarded for standing back up when Evans has him pinned on the mat against the fence? At the very least that should negate the points scored for the takedown.

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]]> By: Jeff C http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6442 Jeff C Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:46:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6442 Plain and simple Bisping lost, just like he should have against Hamill. So give me a break with this whole "Unpopular position" crap cause it's a joke. Plain and simple Bisping lost, just like he should have against Hamill. So give me a break with this whole “Unpopular position” crap cause it’s a joke.

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]]> By: Foucault http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6439 Foucault Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:39:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6439 Who cares? The ufc sucks. Any articles about Overeem or Cung Le? I mean, let's get real. Who cares? The ufc sucks.

Any articles about Overeem or Cung Le? I mean, let’s get real.

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]]> By: Mike Rome http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6438 Mike Rome Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:25:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6438 I thought Bisping won the first time I watched it. Second time around, it's pretty clear to me that Rashad's punches were much harder when they landed. Frankly, neither guy was ever close to a finish, which was why the fight sucked. I don't think takedowns or takedown defense should count for anything. To me, a takedown is just establishing control in the same way that stalking a guy around the Octagon on your feet is. However, even if you're stalking the other guy, if you don't land anything, it's not worth a thing. I really think the judging criteria needs to be changed to reflect attempts to actually win fights. I fear the day Rashad wins the LHW title via boring decision. I thought Bisping won the first time I watched it. Second time around, it’s pretty clear to me that Rashad’s punches were much harder when they landed. Frankly, neither guy was ever close to a finish, which was why the fight sucked.

I don’t think takedowns or takedown defense should count for anything. To me, a takedown is just establishing control in the same way that stalking a guy around the Octagon on your feet is. However, even if you’re stalking the other guy, if you don’t land anything, it’s not worth a thing. I really think the judging criteria needs to be changed to reflect attempts to actually win fights. I fear the day Rashad wins the LHW title via boring decision.

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]]> By: Dizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6436 Dizzle Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:08:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6436 Yea dice I'm fuckin dislexit. Just ignore what I wrote. I think I put in the words there myself. kevin He did win, but this is just as controversial as the hamill and bisping fight. I think they should create some sort of sudden death round after 3 if it is that close. Yea dice I’m fuckin dislexit.

Just ignore what I wrote. I think I put in the words there myself.

kevin He did win, but this is just as controversial as the hamill and bisping fight. I think they should create some sort of sudden death round after 3 if it is that close.

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]]> By: Eric Shapiro http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6435 Eric Shapiro Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:07:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6435 Bisping clearly wanted it more and for that, you could say he gets an A for effort. But in MMA, just as in boxing, the points are going to get you the victory despite attempts to finish fights. In Mayweather vs. De La Hoya, Mayweather, though not nearly as bad at cardio as Evans, won the bout on points after what many call a disappointing fight. Mayweather wanted nothing more than to get in and out quickly on De La Hoya to rack up the points, never attempting the knockout. Whereas De La Hoya wanted to stand and trade as he wields the heavier hands. But Mayweather’s speed and tactics racked up enough points on the cards and he got the decision. Many say De La Hoya should have won that fight because he was pressing the action and was looking for the KO. And many more say that if Mayweather weren’t afraid to trade punches instead of getting in and out, then De La Hoya would have indeed scored an eventual knock out. But that’s the nature of the sport(s). Our scoring system says that if you can gain points using an unexciting strategy, then you can still win the fight. Sure Bisping put on a better show and just like De La Hoya, Bisping was ready to engage whereas as Evans, like Mayweather, was ready to use a game plan with no real intention of finishing in knockout fashion. Both won on points and using the system which is in place, their victories are legitimate. Boxing fans are forced to accept the similarly flawed judging criteria, and there appears to be no change in site. So I doubt there will be a change in the UFC's judging system for quite some time. For the here and now, us fans will have to accept that while most MMA is reliably entertaining, the system does enable fighters to emerge victorious without necessarily giving us our moneys worth. I dislike it just as much as the next guy, but if Rashad Evans can score enough points to win using non-threatening takedowns, then he deserved his victory so says our judging criteria. Until the system changes you can't blame those who benefit from it. After all when it comes down to it, a win is a win. Maybe Bisping really won that fight and maybe he didn’t, but Rashad is the one going home with the "W" and while the system may some day change, that decision never will. Bisping clearly wanted it more and for that, you could say he gets an A for effort. But in MMA, just as in boxing, the points are going to get you the victory despite attempts to finish fights. In Mayweather vs. De La Hoya, Mayweather, though not nearly as bad at cardio as Evans, won the bout on points after what many call a disappointing fight. Mayweather wanted nothing more than to get in and out quickly on De La Hoya to rack up the points, never attempting the knockout. Whereas De La Hoya wanted to stand and trade as he wields the heavier hands. But Mayweather’s speed and tactics racked up enough points on the cards and he got the decision. Many say De La Hoya should have won that fight because he was pressing the action and was looking for the KO. And many more say that if Mayweather weren’t afraid to trade punches instead of getting in and out, then De La Hoya would have indeed scored an eventual knock out.

But that’s the nature of the sport(s). Our scoring system says that if you can gain points using an unexciting strategy, then you can still win the fight. Sure Bisping put on a better show and just like De La Hoya, Bisping was ready to engage whereas as Evans, like Mayweather, was ready to use a game plan with no real intention of finishing in knockout fashion. Both won on points and using the system which is in place, their victories are legitimate. Boxing fans are forced to accept the similarly flawed judging criteria, and there appears to be no change in site. So I doubt there will be a change in the UFC’s judging system for quite some time.

For the here and now, us fans will have to accept that while most MMA is reliably entertaining, the system does enable fighters to emerge victorious without necessarily giving us our moneys worth. I dislike it just as much as the next guy, but if Rashad Evans can score enough points to win using non-threatening takedowns, then he deserved his victory so says our judging criteria. Until the system changes you can’t blame those who benefit from it. After all when it comes down to it, a win is a win. Maybe Bisping really won that fight and maybe he didn’t, but Rashad is the one going home with the “W” and while the system may some day change, that decision never will.

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]]> By: Kelvin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6434 Kelvin Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:55:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6434 "No matter what…the 10 point must system needs to go" I didn't say it needed to stay....I watched the fight...based on the rules the fight is judged on...Rashad won...that is all. “No matter what…the 10 point must system needs to go”

I didn’t say it needed to stay….I watched the fight…based on the rules the fight is judged on…Rashad won…that is all.

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6433 dice Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:42:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6433 To dizzle reread my post Never said that you had to be a fighter to be a fan. Not sure where you got that from. I simply said that I almost exclusively hear the "well then he should have just finished the fight" from non fighters. Big difference. "You think that the judges are mixed martial artists?" No I don't think they are. Please actually read my posts before making such an absurd statement about them. I never said anything about how you need to have fought in MMA to be a judge. I don't even know how you are able to infer this from my previous post. I think people who have followed the sport and been involved in it one way or another (trainers, managers, analysts) can be good judges. Being a former fighter may help but in no way is essential to being a good judge. To dizzle reread my post

Never said that you had to be a fighter to be a fan. Not sure where you got that from. I simply said that I almost exclusively hear the “well then he should have just finished the fight” from non fighters. Big difference.

“You think that the judges are mixed martial artists?”

No I don’t think they are.
Please actually read my posts before making such an absurd statement about them. I never said anything about how you need to have fought in MMA to be a judge. I don’t even know how you are able to infer this from my previous post. I think people who have followed the sport and been involved in it one way or another (trainers, managers, analysts) can be good judges. Being a former fighter may help but in no way is essential to being a good judge.

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