Comments on: The Unpopular Position: Michael Bisping Was Robbed http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:00:27 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6636 screwface Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:06:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6636 #42 maybe i shouldnt of said more strikes, shouldve said more convincing and damaging strikes. sorry if that seems "foolish" but rashad does get bruised up in fights. and when this fight was over he looked same as goin in. #42 maybe i shouldnt of said more strikes, shouldve said more convincing and damaging strikes. sorry if that seems “foolish” but rashad does get bruised up in fights. and when this fight was over he looked same as goin in.

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]]> By: Slakdawg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6578 Slakdawg Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:15:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6578 #39 - Rashad didnt have more strikes. And it wasnt even close. According to Compustrike, Bisping threw/landed 97/38 punches to Rashad's 56/18. Bisping had 33 power strikes to Rashad's 17. He threw/landed 19/14 kicks to Rashad's 2/0. He landed 5 strikes from the clinch to Rashad's 1. Evans may have won the takedown battle, but Bisping clearly won the standup. To say otherwise is foolish. #39 – Rashad didnt have more strikes. And it wasnt even close. According to Compustrike, Bisping threw/landed 97/38 punches to Rashad’s 56/18. Bisping had 33 power strikes to Rashad’s 17. He threw/landed 19/14 kicks to Rashad’s 2/0. He landed 5 strikes from the clinch to Rashad’s 1. Evans may have won the takedown battle, but Bisping clearly won the standup. To say otherwise is foolish.

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]]> By: TINO http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6565 TINO Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:27:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6565 Takedowns are more of an offense than being taken down. If you don't want to lose by being taken down, don't let them take you down. Bisping got dominated the first round, woke up half way through the second and did not do enough in the third to win. Takedowns are more of an offense than being taken down. If you don’t want to lose by being taken down, don’t let them take you down. Bisping got dominated the first round, woke up half way through the second and did not do enough in the third to win.

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]]> By: Da Twin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6519 Da Twin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:47:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6519 Sugar is a gay nickname!!! Sugar is a gay nickname!!!

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]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6473 screwface Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:58:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6473 quite simply the takedowns and lay and pray may be boring but it establishes dominance, rashad won the standup with more strikes, and more takedowns and stayed on top on the ground. you cant win a fight because you had good defense, offense is the deciding factor. bispings face showed the damage. it was an extremely boring fight, but theres no logical argument for bisping was robbed. sorry, but if u actually think bisping won, then ur just 1 of many rashad haters, and i understand. rashads only clearly finished a few fights and thats very frustrating for fans to watch. quite simply the takedowns and lay and pray may be boring but it establishes dominance, rashad won the standup with more strikes, and more takedowns and stayed on top on the ground. you cant win a fight because you had good defense, offense is the deciding factor. bispings face showed the damage. it was an extremely boring fight, but theres no logical argument for bisping was robbed. sorry, but if u actually think bisping won, then ur just 1 of many rashad haters, and i understand. rashads only clearly finished a few fights and thats very frustrating for fans to watch.

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]]> By: THORAZINE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6469 THORAZINE Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:39:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6469 Ben Fowlkes, I think the way you're doing the 10 point system is not quite correct.. you forget that after the takedown, Rashad peppered Bis with small shots,,, many of those punches count as points, that's the major advantage a fighter has when he takes it to the gound... Bis may have had the edge in the standup... but the takedowns and many small punches add up.... Who's to say that a kick to the leg or punch to the body or light jab to the head adds up to more than takedowns and small punches to the body or head? RASHAD DEFINITELY WON- I feel BIS was definitely in the fight and was close to turning it around at times... but Rashad had just enough gas in his tank to finish a 3 rounder, a 5 rounder would have had a different result... but Rashad wasn't training for a 5 rounder either. Ben Fowlkes,

I think the way you’re doing the 10 point system is not quite correct.. you forget that after the takedown, Rashad peppered Bis with small shots,,, many of those punches count as points, that’s the major advantage a fighter has when he takes it to the gound… Bis may have had the edge in the standup… but the takedowns and many small punches add up….

Who’s to say that a kick to the leg or punch to the body or light jab to the head adds up to more than takedowns and small punches to the body or head?

RASHAD DEFINITELY WON-

I feel BIS was definitely in the fight and was close to turning it around at times… but Rashad had just enough gas in his tank to finish a 3 rounder, a 5 rounder would have had a different result… but Rashad wasn’t training for a 5 rounder either.

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]]> By: Bob Langevin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6463 Bob Langevin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:24:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6463 Great article. I do think Rashad won convincingly the 10 must system worked in his favor. I agree that not all things Pride were better, but the judging criteria and system is better. On your second point, a take down does not equal offense, I would like to put it simply. YOU WRONG! ( I mean it in a nice way to encourage debate, not in the ass head way.) MMA is the sport of fighting, if you fight you end up on the ground 90% of the time. The guy that scores the take down is proving a domination of the opponent. Sure take downs do not always do damage, they don't always look flashy, but it proves an element of control over the foe. Offense is not just doing damage, in other sports when you are in possession of the ball, puck, Frisbee, shuttlecock etc etc etc, you are on offense. Offense does not = damage. Offense is control, offense should be defined as an effective attack, not a damaging attack. Take downs are about putting your opponent in a position against their will. If you can take a guy down you may not be doing damage, but you are certainly taking control of the opponent. I love take downs. It shows a great skill, and a control of the opponent as important as out striking them, although admittedly not as exciting as a dominating win by strikes. All in all it was a good fight not a great fight, Bisping showed better than I thought, and the right fighter won. P.S. I love that this window has spell check, or I would come of as a complete idiot instead of half an idiot. Cheers. Cheers, and I enjoyed reading your interesting if flawed opinion. Great article. I do think Rashad won convincingly the 10 must system worked in his favor. I agree that not all things Pride were better, but the judging criteria and system is better. On your second point, a take down does not equal offense, I would like to put it simply.

YOU WRONG!
( I mean it in a nice way to encourage debate, not in the ass head way.)

MMA is the sport of fighting, if you fight you end up on the ground 90% of the time. The guy that scores the take down is proving a domination of the opponent. Sure take downs do not always do damage, they don’t always look flashy, but it proves an element of control over the foe. Offense is not just doing damage, in other sports when you are in possession of the ball, puck, Frisbee, shuttlecock etc etc etc, you are on offense. Offense does not = damage. Offense is control, offense should be defined as an effective attack, not a damaging attack. Take downs are about putting your opponent in a position against their will. If you can take a guy down you may not be doing damage, but you are certainly taking control of the opponent. I love take downs. It shows a great skill, and a control of the opponent as important as out striking them, although admittedly not as exciting as a dominating win by strikes.

All in all it was a good fight not a great fight, Bisping showed better than I thought, and the right fighter won.

P.S. I love that this window has spell check, or I would come of as a complete idiot instead of half an idiot.

Cheers.

Cheers, and I enjoyed reading your interesting if flawed opinion.

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]]> By: egad81 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6461 egad81 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:06:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6461 Cung Le Cung Le Cung Le Consider me officially on his band wagon. Anyone know where we can find the official rules on judges scoring? If a takedown is a point.... Is an escape a point? Is there any documentation? Cung Le Cung Le Cung Le

Consider me officially on his band wagon.

Anyone know where we can find the official rules on judges scoring?

If a takedown is a point…. Is an escape a point?
Is there any documentation?

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]]> By: Anton K http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6456 Anton K Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:09:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6456 No matter what, both fighters have to improve if they want to continue developing a fan base in the UFC. They're just not that interesting. In fact, for the first time, I began to see that mma in general isn't all that interesting unless the fighters really go for a finish. No matter what, both fighters have to improve if they want to continue developing a fan base in the UFC. They’re just not that interesting. In fact, for the first time, I began to see that mma in general isn’t all that interesting unless the fighters really go for a finish.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL ™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/comment-page-1/#comment-6455 MMA SKOOL ™ Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:43:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/19/the-unpopular-position-michael-bisping-was-robbed/#comment-6455 Evans/Bisping = Me saving my money for Liddell/Silva (and now Henderson/Silva) Evans and Bisping are like Patrick Cote... Just some dude even Tito can beat on an off night. A UFC journeyman... There's gotta be someone out there with a contract and a losing record. Evans/Bisping = Me saving my money for Liddell/Silva (and now Henderson/Silva)

Evans and Bisping are like Patrick Cote… Just some dude even Tito can beat on an off night. A UFC journeyman… There’s gotta be someone out there with a contract and a losing record.

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