Comments on: Where does “Sugar” sit in the 205lb division? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Fri, 25 May 2012 19:07:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Rashad #1 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6520 Rashad #1 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:48:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6520 houston alexander would get crushed by Rashad what the hell are you thinking? Some guy who beat Jardine and Sakara? He got exposed by Silva and you think he could beat someone who has been tested and wasnt dismantled like Houston? Give me a break houston alexander would get crushed by Rashad what the hell are you thinking? Some guy who beat Jardine and Sakara? He got exposed by Silva and you think he could beat someone who has been tested and wasnt dismantled like Houston? Give me a break

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]]> By: Da Twin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6518 Da Twin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:42:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6518 Rashad doesnt deserve to be top 15 he sucks! I dont understand why so many people are defending him. He's boring fighter! T. Silva could beat him Houston Alexander could beat him, he's definaly NOT Top 15! Rashad doesnt deserve to be top 15 he sucks! I dont understand why so many people are defending him. He’s boring fighter! T. Silva could beat him Houston Alexander could beat him, he’s definaly NOT Top 15!

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]]> By: Dizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6514 Dizzle Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:49:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6514 who cares? The UFC fucked up big time here. They have all the best fighters. To me that means you won't have the same champ for very long considering the talent on the roster. who cares? The UFC fucked up big time here. They have all the best fighters. To me that means you won’t have the same champ for very long considering the talent on the roster.

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]]> By: steve24 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6511 steve24 Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:26:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6511 Your list is a complete joke. Machida , Ortiz, Soko. Soko only has like 5 fights. Dan Henderson is a MW now. Jardine and Griffin have only 1 win vs. anyone in the top 10. I could go on and on. Your list is a complete joke. Machida , Ortiz, Soko. Soko only has like 5 fights. Dan Henderson is a MW now. Jardine and Griffin have only 1 win vs. anyone in the top 10. I could go on and on.

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]]> By: Jack Diaz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6487 Jack Diaz Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:15:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6487 Emphasis on last couple of fights: 1 Quinton Jackson 2 Dan Henderson 3 Rameau Sokoudjou 4 Wanderlei Silva 5 Keith Jardine 6 Forrest Griffin 7 Chuck Liddell 8 Ryoto Machida 9 Mauricio Rua 10 Thiago Silva Emphasis on last couple of fights:

1 Quinton Jackson

2 Dan Henderson

3 Rameau Sokoudjou

4 Wanderlei Silva

5 Keith Jardine

6 Forrest Griffin

7 Chuck Liddell

8 Ryoto Machida

9 Mauricio Rua

10 Thiago Silva

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6486 Sam Cupitt Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:13:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6486 Kelvin, Tito won that fight against Rashad except he was penalised for a fence grab that resulted in a takedown anyway. It was too harsh a penalty so I believe Tito actually beat Rashad and that is why he is ahead of him. Kelvin, Tito won that fight against Rashad except he was penalised for a fence grab that resulted in a takedown anyway. It was too harsh a penalty so I believe Tito actually beat Rashad and that is why he is ahead of him.

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]]> By: Gabber http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6483 Gabber Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:04:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6483 I totally agree. I think Rashad is a 185 force. His cardio was terrible man and Bisping looked way bigger then him. If everyone talks about how Bisping can drop, Rashad could easily drop and chop through the ranks. I also think that Rua and Sokodjou would be much higher up on the list. I consider Rua losing to Forrest a bump in the road, he didn't look like himself. Now he's coming from being off for a while and what was it? His wedding? He just didn't look Shogun. I feel bad for whoever they throw in with the african assassin. One question is, after watching Silva throw down a BJJ clinic on Houston, how do you think Rashad would square up with Thiago? I would put money down on Thiago, he would sub him on the ground and his cardio is way better. I think the Chute Box camp is going to put a big dent in the UFC rankings soon enough. Anyone know if they do cage training there or just rings? With Rashad though, I have been less and less impressed the more he fights, it doesn't look like he's bring new weapons to the table. He just seems to be the LHW version of Koschek. He keeps saying he's getting better and you're going to see the new him. But man, it's the same old lay n pray. I'm down with the Pride scoring system. In old Pride, would the Bisping-Rashad fight have been scored a draw? No real determination to finish the fight? I totally agree. I think Rashad is a 185 force. His cardio was terrible man and Bisping looked way bigger then him. If everyone talks about how Bisping can drop, Rashad could easily drop and chop through the ranks. I also think that Rua and Sokodjou would be much higher up on the list. I consider Rua losing to Forrest a bump in the road, he didn’t look like himself. Now he’s coming from being off for a while and what was it? His wedding? He just didn’t look Shogun. I feel bad for whoever they throw in with the african assassin. One question is, after watching Silva throw down a BJJ clinic on Houston, how do you think Rashad would square up with Thiago? I would put money down on Thiago, he would sub him on the ground and his cardio is way better. I think the Chute Box camp is going to put a big dent in the UFC rankings soon enough. Anyone know if they do cage training there or just rings?

With Rashad though, I have been less and less impressed the more he fights, it doesn’t look like he’s bring new weapons to the table. He just seems to be the LHW version of Koschek. He keeps saying he’s getting better and you’re going to see the new him. But man, it’s the same old lay n pray. I’m down with the Pride scoring system. In old Pride, would the Bisping-Rashad fight have been scored a draw? No real determination to finish the fight?

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]]> By: Kelvin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6482 Kelvin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:03:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6482 He should be #10...Tito Ortiz is not a top ten fighter anymore...and actually hasn't beat anyone of relevance in about 4 yrs... He should be #10…Tito Ortiz is not a top ten fighter anymore…and actually hasn’t beat anyone of relevance in about 4 yrs…

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]]> By: Mike Rome http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6476 Mike Rome Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:33:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6476 Agreed with the list. Rashad really ought to drop down to 185, where he's one fight away from a title shot against a guy with weak ass takedown defense. Agreed with the list. Rashad really ought to drop down to 185, where he’s one fight away from a title shot against a guy with weak ass takedown defense.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6474 Sam Cupitt Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:12:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6474 I'll grant you that he'd have a decent shot against Jardine but i still reckon Jardine would knock him out. If you remember he knocked Rashad down early in their TUF 2 encounter. I also agree about the finding a way to win thing, even if that way is takedown, maintain position add nausea. However I believe Machida would frustrate the shit out of Rashad and outpoint him decisevly. Shogun would knock him out or pull off a Randleman knee bar. Sokoudjou might struggle a tad if he doesnt get the knockout straight away, but i believe he has enough TD defense to avoid Rashad's wrestling and Tito has already beat him except the judges pronounced it as a draw. I’ll grant you that he’d have a decent shot against Jardine but i still reckon Jardine would knock him out. If you remember he knocked Rashad down early in their TUF 2 encounter. I also agree about the finding a way to win thing, even if that way is takedown, maintain position add nausea.

However I believe Machida would frustrate the shit out of Rashad and outpoint him decisevly. Shogun would knock him out or pull off a Randleman knee bar. Sokoudjou might struggle a tad if he doesnt get the knockout straight away, but i believe he has enough TD defense to avoid Rashad’s wrestling and Tito has already beat him except the judges pronounced it as a draw.

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6472 garth Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:54:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6472 rashad and bisping both showed an interest in not-losing, instead of winning. neither guy wanted to win, they just didn't want to lose what they had. i watched that fight too, and i thought rashad won. i was pissed that i paid 40 bones for an annoyingly boring series of main events, but i still think rashad won that fight. strike-counting has NO PLACE in MMA. period. otherwise pitty-pat punchers woul be undeafeated. do we want floyd mayweather MMA champs? punch and run? while i don't think rashad would beat most of the top ten fighters you have in LHW, i also didn't think he'd beat Brad Imes, and he found a way. so let's do it the old fashioned way...make 'em fight! it's like action figures! rashad and bisping both showed an interest in not-losing, instead of winning. neither guy wanted to win, they just didn’t want to lose what they had. i watched that fight too, and i thought rashad won. i was pissed that i paid 40 bones for an annoyingly boring series of main events, but i still think rashad won that fight. strike-counting has NO PLACE in MMA. period. otherwise pitty-pat punchers woul be undeafeated. do we want floyd mayweather MMA champs? punch and run?
while i don’t think rashad would beat most of the top ten fighters you have in LHW, i also didn’t think he’d beat Brad Imes, and he found a way. so let’s do it the old fashioned way…make ‘em fight! it’s like action figures!

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]]> By: Eric Shapiro http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6471 Eric Shapiro Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:51:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6471 He did beat Brad Imes and Stephan Bonner, not to mention that nasty head kick knockout over Sean Salmon, but I still wouldnt throw him in the top ten either, he's just not of that caliber no matter how you slice it. He did beat Brad Imes and Stephan Bonner, not to mention that nasty head kick knockout over Sean Salmon, but I still wouldnt throw him in the top ten either, he’s just not of that caliber no matter how you slice it.

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]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6470 screwface Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:47:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6470 sam ur fun to argue with and ur list is decent, but from 5 down rashad can hang with them all with exception to sokoudjou, i believe sok will be champ eventually. rashad is not exciting to watch, but he knows how to win. his last performance places him up there with koscheck and sylvia on my list of boring fighters. but that still doesnt take away from the fact that he knows how to win just not how to keep fans happy. sam ur fun to argue with and ur list is decent, but from 5 down rashad can hang with them all with exception to sokoudjou, i believe sok will be champ eventually. rashad is not exciting to watch, but he knows how to win. his last performance places him up there with koscheck and sylvia on my list of boring fighters. but that still doesnt take away from the fact that he knows how to win just not how to keep fans happy.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6468 Sam Cupitt Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:35:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6468 At heavyweight in the Ultimate Fighter house a long time ago. Jardine is much improved since then and has beaten more quality opponents. At heavyweight in the Ultimate Fighter house a long time ago. Jardine is much improved since then and has beaten more quality opponents.

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]]> By: THORAZINE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6467 THORAZINE Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:29:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6467 He did beat Keith Jardine He did beat Keith Jardine

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]]> By: Just the facts http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/comment-page-1/#comment-6466 Just the facts Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:27:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/20/where-does-rashad-sit-in-the-205lb-division/#comment-6466 He should be above tito. Tito haven't done anything except beat Ken. And the Griffin fight is debatable. Rashed at least beat Lambert and it wasn't like Tito dominated him. Plus he beat Keith Jardine to win the TUF show. You can argue that Wanderlei Silva Chuck Liddell are on there way out. He should be above tito. Tito haven’t done anything except beat Ken. And the Griffin fight is debatable. Rashed at least beat Lambert and it wasn’t like Tito dominated him. Plus he beat Keith Jardine to win the TUF show. You can argue that Wanderlei Silva Chuck Liddell are on there way out.

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