Comments on: FiveOunces Contest: Best Idea to Improve The Ultimate Fighter 7 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-48835 Cathedron Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:08:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-48835 Take a documentary approach for the first few shows and follow some recruiters from the UFC as they check out feeder promotions for new talent. The next few shows, pick sixteen guys and have them fight each other to see which eight deserve to go on while the coaches and trainers take notes and talk shit to each other or whatever hype they need to do. Then switch to the guys getting divided up between two training camps (either existing or put together by a specific fighter for the show). Having only eight fighters at this point means we can get to know each one individually and also can see exactly what they are trying to improve. There will be no house, they can call home every day (while the viewers listen in), and can even be visited by friends and family who will be interviewed to give us a deeper look into each fighter. Constantly check with the trainers and coaches as to what they are working on as well. Meanwhile, the eight who lost are fighting to earn the two alternate positions. This allows for at least one fight every episode during the training camp shows. These alternate fights would be very interesting as all of the fighters know it's their last chance. For the last few shows, it's mainly just an eight man tournament (with the two alternates fighting for a guaranteed bout on the live finale if they haven't had to replace anyone at this point). The final show would be a live Fight Night event just like they do now. Take a documentary approach for the first few shows and follow some recruiters from the UFC as they check out feeder promotions for new talent.

The next few shows, pick sixteen guys and have them fight each other to see which eight deserve to go on while the coaches and trainers take notes and talk shit to each other or whatever hype they need to do.

Then switch to the guys getting divided up between two training camps (either existing or put together by a specific fighter for the show). Having only eight fighters at this point means we can get to know each one individually and also can see exactly what they are trying to improve. There will be no house, they can call home every day (while the viewers listen in), and can even be visited by friends and family who will be interviewed to give us a deeper look into each fighter. Constantly check with the trainers and coaches as to what they are working on as well.

Meanwhile, the eight who lost are fighting to earn the two alternate positions. This allows for at least one fight every episode during the training camp shows. These alternate fights would be very interesting as all of the fighters know it’s their last chance.

For the last few shows, it’s mainly just an eight man tournament (with the two alternates fighting for a guaranteed bout on the live finale if they haven’t had to replace anyone at this point).

The final show would be a live Fight Night event just like they do now.

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]]> By: Ben http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-8404 Ben Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:15:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-8404 01. Have Dana pick the fighters and coaches. 02. Each coach gets a house in Vegas. 03. Silva ranks them in an NCAA basketball style bracket. 04. Coin toss (like the Ortiz-Shamrock coin). Winner gets the "favored fighters" in the bracket by number rank they can't choose the underdogs even if they want them. 05. Fighter's move into their coaches' houses for the preliminary training phase. They live by their coaches' rules. Rules will probably differ based on the coaches. 06. Train for a week (or two). 07. All preliminary fights on same day of filming (not same episode). 08. Repeat cointoss, but include the winning coach gets first pick of eliminated fighters to use as training partners, loser gets second, winner gets 3rd, etc. 09. Fighters switch houses if necessary. 10. Train for a week or two. 11. Quarterfinals filmed all on the same day. 12. Coin toss/ team reconfigs 13. Train for a week or two. 14. Semis both filmed on the same day. 15. The normal take a break before the finale deal. This way, team loyalties would be somewhat switched up every so often, giving the viewers that aren't that into MMA some dramatic bs to watch when the teams get "shook up" every couple of episodes. The fighters would get a chance to learn from each coach, and the "pick the fights" crap would go away. We'd get a better chance to gauge who was the better coach. This structure would also pay homage to the UFC's origins as a tournament, which would also increase the liklihood of the best two fighters matching up in the finals, not the preliminaries. 01. Have Dana pick the fighters and coaches.

02. Each coach gets a house in Vegas.

03. Silva ranks them in an NCAA basketball style bracket.

04. Coin toss (like the Ortiz-Shamrock coin). Winner gets the “favored fighters” in the bracket by number rank they can’t choose the underdogs even if they want them.

05. Fighter’s move into their coaches’ houses for the preliminary training phase. They live by their coaches’ rules. Rules will probably differ based on the coaches.

06. Train for a week (or two).

07. All preliminary fights on same day of filming (not same episode).

08. Repeat cointoss, but include the winning coach gets first pick of eliminated fighters to use as training partners, loser gets second, winner gets 3rd, etc.

09. Fighters switch houses if necessary.

10. Train for a week or two.

11. Quarterfinals filmed all on the same day.

12. Coin toss/ team reconfigs

13. Train for a week or two.

14. Semis both filmed on the same day.

15. The normal take a break before the finale deal.

This way, team loyalties would be somewhat switched up every so often, giving the viewers that aren’t that into MMA some dramatic bs to watch when the teams get “shook up” every couple of episodes.

The fighters would get a chance to learn from each coach, and the “pick the fights” crap would go away. We’d get a better chance to gauge who was the better coach.

This structure would also pay homage to the UFC’s origins as a tournament, which would also increase the liklihood of the best two fighters matching up in the finals, not the preliminaries.

]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7765 Adam Morgan Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:05:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7765 This contest is now officially closed! Thanks for all who participated, we had a HUGE turnout! Can't thank you guys enough for the well thought out answers and we will announce a winner on Monday. Thanks again from all of us at 5 Oz! This contest is now officially closed! Thanks for all who participated, we had a HUGE turnout! Can’t thank you guys enough for the well thought out answers and we will announce a winner on Monday.

Thanks again from all of us at 5 Oz!

]]> By: Eric http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7764 Eric Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:11:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7764 -16 people in the house -8 that have previously competed in the UFC and had little to no success but have potential (like season 4's competitors) -8 that have never competed in the UFC, but have the experience and knowledge to hold their own (These people should be outstanding; the best of the best. True heavyweights should be selected, not fighters that will drop down to light heavyweight once the show ends,) -The 16 fighters are heavyweights (I know middleweight is also thin, but look at the heavyweight division, it isn't much better) -I would have the 2 coaches be Randy Couture and Tim Sylvia. This would eventually lead to a match when the season is over between the 2 coaches. Randy, obviously, would need to be lured back with a truckload of cash. Everybody has a price. The UFC needs to find his price and get him back. I think the payoff of seeing Sylvia fight Couture and potentially lose again will be enough of a draw to lure viewers in. It would be Couture's first fight back and he would be defending his title against the interim champ Sylvia (if Sylvia wins in February) or against 'Tim Sylvia heavyweight title contender' (Big Nog would be the interim champ in this scenario). Tim Sylvia is one of the most hated fighters in the UFC and I think people will watch the show to eventually see him fail. It obviously wouldn't be built up for Sylvia to fail, but it can be played off that he was injured the first time and he wants to take back his belt from Randy. If he has the right promos, Sylvia can be built up as a huge heel. -The challenges should be brought back. It seems like some of the shows drag on a bit with all the whining and in-fighting, but if you inserted a challenge every episode it would break up the monotony. -I would have the format change a bit. Couture would coach the 8 veteran fighters and Sylvia would coach the 8 newbies. On the first show, everyone would pick a number, 1 through 8 and they would be seeded on either side of a 16-man bracket. New guys would only fight veterans. -Having them seeded and knowing who they will fight in advance would allow the fighters to develop a gameplan for their upcoming opponent with more of a notice. This would be a disadvantage for the veterans, since they probably have not seen the newbies fight before, but that would be evened out since they would have more of an advantage fighting in the cage more often than the new fighters. -If a newbie makes it to the finals, he has made a name for himself and battled through a handful of veterans to get there. If a veteran makes it, he has won some fights and proven that he still belongs in the UFC. -The top prize would be a large sum of up front guaranteed money in addition to the regular contract. -16 people in the house
-8 that have previously competed in the UFC and had little to no success but have potential (like season 4′s competitors)
-8 that have never competed in the UFC, but have the experience and knowledge to hold their own (These people should be outstanding; the best of the best. True heavyweights should be selected, not fighters that will drop down to light heavyweight once the show ends,)
-The 16 fighters are heavyweights (I know middleweight is also thin, but look at the heavyweight division, it isn’t much better)
-I would have the 2 coaches be Randy Couture and Tim Sylvia. This would eventually lead to a match when the season is over between the 2 coaches. Randy, obviously, would need to be lured back with a truckload of cash. Everybody has a price. The UFC needs to find his price and get him back. I think the payoff of seeing Sylvia fight Couture and potentially lose again will be enough of a draw to lure viewers in. It would be Couture’s first fight back and he would be defending his title against the interim champ Sylvia (if Sylvia wins in February) or against ‘Tim Sylvia heavyweight title contender’ (Big Nog would be the interim champ in this scenario). Tim Sylvia is one of the most hated fighters in the UFC and I think people will watch the show to eventually see him fail. It obviously wouldn’t be built up for Sylvia to fail, but it can be played off that he was injured the first time and he wants to take back his belt from Randy. If he has the right promos, Sylvia can be built up as a huge heel.
-The challenges should be brought back. It seems like some of the shows drag on a bit with all the whining and in-fighting, but if you inserted a challenge every episode it would break up the monotony.
-I would have the format change a bit. Couture would coach the 8 veteran fighters and Sylvia would coach the 8 newbies. On the first show, everyone would pick a number, 1 through 8 and they would be seeded on either side of a 16-man bracket. New guys would only fight veterans.
-Having them seeded and knowing who they will fight in advance would allow the fighters to develop a gameplan for their upcoming opponent with more of a notice. This would be a disadvantage for the veterans, since they probably have not seen the newbies fight before, but that would be evened out since they would have more of an advantage fighting in the cage more often than the new fighters.
-If a newbie makes it to the finals, he has made a name for himself and battled through a handful of veterans to get there. If a veteran makes it, he has won some fights and proven that he still belongs in the UFC.
-The top prize would be a large sum of up front guaranteed money in addition to the regular contract.

]]> By: bubbafat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7762 bubbafat Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:51:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7762 I'd like to see Miletich, Jackson, Sperry, Follis, Crazy Bob, Hackleman,etc... get involved with the show. These guys are the ones who are seriously training past present and future champ's.Get them to work in tandem with whoever they bring in as active fighter Make the active fighter coaches fight for contention at the end of the season instead of fighting for a title. Obviously Hendo's fighting Anderson Silva so they are not possible. But I'm sure the UFC can come up with something. Maybe that could be the next stage of a contest. Location, location, location. I can't believe I'm saying this , but, aren't they making Vegas seem a little boring. Change it up. Go high altitude or something. Absolutely no rookies or amateurs. If they've only got a couple of MMA fights they better have at least another dozen Muay Thai bouts, or grappling matches with some descent results.ie: Bowman, Thacker etc... Get rid of the team aspect. I don't want to watch an MMA show where they throw a bunch of alpha males in the same house to see what kinda shit happens. I want to see training, sparring, rolling(way more of it at least). Last but not least, I want to measure these guys skills myself(through observation not practice), Instead of these cheese bowling matches, ping pong games, and billiards, let's see a grappling tourny among the guy's. Just throwin' it out there, I'm pretty sure they like their format the way it is, I just wanna see fights not drama. I’d like to see Miletich, Jackson, Sperry, Follis, Crazy Bob, Hackleman,etc… get involved with the show. These guys are the ones who are seriously training past present and future champ’s.Get them to work in tandem with whoever they bring in as active fighter
Make the active fighter coaches fight for contention at the end of the season instead of fighting for a title. Obviously Hendo’s fighting Anderson Silva so they are not possible. But I’m sure the UFC can come up with something. Maybe that could be the next stage of a contest.
Location, location, location. I can’t believe I’m saying this , but, aren’t they making Vegas seem a little boring. Change it up. Go high altitude or something.
Absolutely no rookies or amateurs. If they’ve only got a couple of MMA fights they better have at least another dozen Muay Thai bouts, or grappling matches with some descent results.ie: Bowman, Thacker etc…
Get rid of the team aspect. I don’t want to watch an MMA show where they throw a bunch of alpha males in the same house to see what kinda shit happens. I want to see training, sparring, rolling(way more of it at least).
Last but not least, I want to measure these guys skills myself(through observation not practice), Instead of these cheese bowling matches, ping pong games, and billiards, let’s see a grappling tourny among the guy’s.
Just throwin’ it out there, I’m pretty sure they like their format the way it is, I just wanna see fights not drama.

]]> By: Ant http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7754 Ant Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:59:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7754 1. Use MMA trainers as coaches and have the fighters relocate and train fulltime at their respective gyms. Juanito Ibarra vs Randy Couture could be the next TUF series, with Rampage Jackson, Cheick Kongo, and Michael Bisping would server as Juanito's assistance / fighter's training partners, and Xtreme Couture would have Forrest Griffin, Stephan Bonner and Wanderlei Silva helping out Randy Couture. This will take the show into well known gyms that have a number of UFC fighters that would be feature on the show. Currently, the season mainly has a UFC coach and occasional guest coaches. But by going into these gyms, you have a chance of having seeing a lot more UFC fighters helping out, getting camera time and exposure. Tyson Griffin is one that could be exposed on the new TUF format without having to actually be a TUF fighter (since he's already past that point as a fighter), but by being a part of Xtreme Couture and helping out as a training partner for the aspiring TUF fighters. The undertone of Juanito Ibarra vs. Randy Couture could be a Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin (or Wanderlei Silva) fight that's planned at the time. This will also introduce casual fans to the MMA trainers / stables of Team Quest, Xtreme Couture, MFS, Caeser Gracie's School, Chute Box, Black House, etc. So when a casual fan is watching a UFC fight with an unknown fighter, if they see Greg Jackson or Pat Miletich in their corner, it would give them something to identify with the fighter. If they like Rampage Jackson and knowing the Juanito Ibarra connection, they might root for a Juanito Ibarra-trained fighter. 2. Get rid of the house. Showing aspiring professional fighters drinking and trashing the house, pooping in the upperdeck of the toilet, etc, is not a good way to portay MMA fighters. The show should mainly focus on the professionalism and dedication it takes to be an MMA fighter. It seems the house has a way or showing the worst side of the fighters, mainly because it takes the fighters away from their families/friends with no connection to the outside world and makes them live in a house with 15 other fighters. It doesn't accurately portray how the fighters really are. I don't think we need to know the fighters on the level TUF currently portrays them in order to like the fighters. For example, I used to like Mac Danzig before I saw TUF 6. But I also love Anderson Silva, who never was on TUF, but all I got to know about him was through his fighting style, and his humble personality through pre/post fight interviews. TUF should concentrate on building a fighter's identity through this as well as training regiment rather than their lifestyle in a confined reality TV house. 3. Put fights on live once a month. The show would have to be put together more in a real-time basis so it'll track the fighters training and preparing for their fights as we move towards the fight. UFC PPV fights are generally once a month now, and UFC Fight Nights are sporadic throughout the year. UFC Fight Nights on Spike should be made once a month as well. Therefore, TUF first round, quarterfinals, and semifinals would need to take place on these cards. 8 fights take place in the first round, so 4 of them could take place on a UFC Fight Night live on Spike TV, and the other 4 could take place on the preliminary fight card on a UFC PPV fight. Quarterfinals would only have 4 fights, so 2 on a Fight Night card, 2 on a UFC PPV card. This would introduce the fighters live to the fans, help sell PPV cards, and build excitement to TUF. If a non TUF fan is watching them fight on a UFC Fight Night card as a TUF quarterfinals fight, it would help draw them to watch TUF if they see a fighter they like. Making the fights go live during the season of TUF will make it sustain excitement throughout the season. It's a big diference watching a fight live vs an exhibition fight that took place months ago in the UFC training center. 1. Use MMA trainers as coaches and have the fighters relocate and train fulltime at their respective gyms. Juanito Ibarra vs Randy Couture could be the next TUF series, with Rampage Jackson, Cheick Kongo, and Michael Bisping would server as Juanito’s assistance / fighter’s training partners, and Xtreme Couture would have Forrest Griffin, Stephan Bonner and Wanderlei Silva helping out Randy Couture. This will take the show into well known gyms that have a number of UFC fighters that would be feature on the show. Currently, the season mainly has a UFC coach and occasional guest coaches. But by going into these gyms, you have a chance of having seeing a lot more UFC fighters helping out, getting camera time and exposure. Tyson Griffin is one that could be exposed on the new TUF format without having to actually be a TUF fighter (since he’s already past that point as a fighter), but by being a part of Xtreme Couture and helping out as a training partner for the aspiring TUF fighters.

The undertone of Juanito Ibarra vs. Randy Couture could be a Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin (or Wanderlei Silva) fight that’s planned at the time. This will also introduce casual fans to the MMA trainers / stables of Team Quest, Xtreme Couture, MFS, Caeser Gracie’s School, Chute Box, Black House, etc. So when a casual fan is watching a UFC fight with an unknown fighter, if they see Greg Jackson or Pat Miletich in their corner, it would give them something to identify with the fighter. If they like Rampage Jackson and knowing the Juanito Ibarra connection, they might root for a Juanito Ibarra-trained fighter.

2. Get rid of the house. Showing aspiring professional fighters drinking and trashing the house, pooping in the upperdeck of the toilet, etc, is not a good way to portay MMA fighters. The show should mainly focus on the professionalism and dedication it takes to be an MMA fighter. It seems the house has a way or showing the worst side of the fighters, mainly because it takes the fighters away from their families/friends with no connection to the outside world and makes them live in a house with 15 other fighters. It doesn’t accurately portray how the fighters really are. I don’t think we need to know the fighters on the level TUF currently portrays them in order to like the fighters. For example, I used to like Mac Danzig before I saw TUF 6. But I also love Anderson Silva, who never was on TUF, but all I got to know about him was through his fighting style, and his humble personality through pre/post fight interviews. TUF should concentrate on building a fighter’s identity through this as well as training regiment rather than their lifestyle in a confined reality TV house.

3. Put fights on live once a month. The show would have to be put together more in a real-time basis so it’ll track the fighters training and preparing for their fights as we move towards the fight. UFC PPV fights are generally once a month now, and UFC Fight Nights are sporadic throughout the year. UFC Fight Nights on Spike should be made once a month as well. Therefore, TUF first round, quarterfinals, and semifinals would need to take place on these cards. 8 fights take place in the first round, so 4 of them could take place on a UFC Fight Night live on Spike TV, and the other 4 could take place on the preliminary fight card on a UFC PPV fight. Quarterfinals would only have 4 fights, so 2 on a Fight Night card, 2 on a UFC PPV card. This would introduce the fighters live to the fans, help sell PPV cards, and build excitement to TUF. If a non TUF fan is watching them fight on a UFC Fight Night card as a TUF quarterfinals fight, it would help draw them to watch TUF if they see a fighter they like. Making the fights go live during the season of TUF will make it sustain excitement throughout the season. It’s a big diference watching a fight live vs an exhibition fight that took place months ago in the UFC training center.

]]> By: Brandt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7748 Brandt Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:07:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7748 Allow the fighters to get out of the house to participate in events that focus around MMA training - mentally and physically. Have the fighters compete in local 10k runs, local weight lifting competitions, or with local jiu-jitsu schools to help teach kids. Have the fighters work with the city to provide training for schoolchildren and offer and anti-bullying seminars. Also let them work some community service. Allow the fighters to get out of the house to participate in events that focus around MMA training – mentally and physically.

Have the fighters compete in local 10k runs, local weight lifting competitions, or with local jiu-jitsu schools to help teach kids.

Have the fighters work with the city to provide training for schoolchildren and offer and anti-bullying seminars.

Also let them work some community service.

]]> By: Psykojojo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7743 Psykojojo Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:19:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7743 First, they need to get out of vegas. I say take them out of the manson where they are living it up like fat rats and put them in a cabin with friggin bunks. Have them spar in a barn! Thats right, I don't want to see pools, jacuzzis and a tropical themed backyards with waterfalls and plastic flamingos. I want them to rough it because they want to be there and they are men. They aren't there to chill in a pool and play foosball. And no state of the art gym, I want raining facilities in the yard and barn, no more shuttles and no more excuses for not showing up to practice. I hate all the bs drama in the recent seasons, I want to see more of the teams and coachs training and not whats happening with Mac's birdfeeder or some dude shadowboxing with his dong out infront of a mirror.....well ok that was funny. I'm all for some drama and acouple good laughs, but I don't need the first half of the season focusing on a guy who doesn't want to be there and his struggles with poontang withdrawl, I don't really care about this pussweed 'missing his girl', when I'm getting ready to watch the show with my beer and sourdough pretzles, I don't want the first damn thing I hear is some asspirate crying about a girl. What I do want is for the coach to kick the punk out and bring a real man in. Even my wife, a fan of the absolutly vile lifetime channel (and a big fan of MMA) hates all the damn whining on the show First, they need to get out of vegas. I say take them out of the manson where they are living it up like fat rats and put them in a cabin with friggin bunks. Have them spar in a barn! Thats right, I don’t want to see pools, jacuzzis and a tropical themed backyards with waterfalls and plastic flamingos. I want them to rough it because they want to be there and they are men. They aren’t there to chill in a pool and play foosball. And no state of the art gym, I want raining facilities in the yard and barn, no more shuttles and no more excuses for not showing up to practice.

I hate all the bs drama in the recent seasons, I want to see more of the teams and coachs training and not whats happening with Mac’s birdfeeder or some dude shadowboxing with his dong out infront of a mirror…..well ok that was funny. I’m all for some drama and acouple good laughs, but I don’t need the first half of the season focusing on a guy who doesn’t want to be there and his struggles with poontang withdrawl, I don’t really care about this pussweed ‘missing his girl’, when I’m getting ready to watch the show with my beer and sourdough pretzles, I don’t want the first damn thing I hear is some asspirate crying about a girl. What I do want is for the coach to kick the punk out and bring a real man in. Even my wife, a fan of the absolutly vile lifetime channel (and a big fan of MMA) hates all the damn whining on the show

]]> By: mo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7742 mo Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:15:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7742 This wouldn't work well for TUF 7, but maybe for TUF 8 they could have seasons compete against eachother. Maybe take the best 8 welterweights and middleweights from TUF 1, and have them go against 8 guys from TUF 6 and 8 middleweights from TUF 7. i think they had everyone fight at light heavyweight in TUF 1 so maybe we can throw that out, but so something like that. but i would like to reiterate a thanks for doing this. I was impressed with a lot of the solid ideas proposed here, and proposing it in the form of a contest makes it much more fun. thanks This wouldn’t work well for TUF 7, but maybe for TUF 8 they could have seasons compete against eachother. Maybe take the best 8 welterweights and middleweights from TUF 1, and have them go against 8 guys from TUF 6 and 8 middleweights from TUF 7. i think they had everyone fight at light heavyweight in TUF 1 so maybe we can throw that out, but so something like that.

but i would like to reiterate a thanks for doing this. I was impressed with a lot of the solid ideas proposed here, and proposing it in the form of a contest makes it much more fun. thanks

]]> By: mma blaster http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7740 mma blaster Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:45:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7740 1. Pick the 8 top US fighters you can find, and at least 2 guys from Brazil, 2 guys from Japan/Asia, 2 guys from Europe and 2 guys from Russia to add a more international flavor to the show. Lets face it the bottom 8 guys from the US usually aren't on the level as the top 8, and there is alot of untapped foreign talent. 2. Pick fighters that have at least 4 pro wins and check it on a internet fighter database. Too many young inexperienced fighters. 3. Keep the two coach system, but have an incentive system to boost drama. Award each member on the team a $500-1000 bonus any time someone from their team wins. This will keep fighters training, especially to help themselves win more money. 4. Seed the fighters in the tournament as soon as they are picked. The first guy picked from (Team Serra) gets a #1 seed, #2 picked (Team Hughes) gets the #2 seed all the way down to #16. That way you have 16 person bracket (like highschool wrestling). You can market the bracket like the NCAA tournament. This will also help fighters train for their bouts and manage weight. First round you are guaranteed not to fight a fighter in the same team. 5. Show more training - some of the best footage this year have been glimpses of Serra's and Hughes' training. 6. Let the fighters get something from home if they win. Or see webcast of their kids/girlfriend/parents for a couple minutes. (Boost drama and boosts morale of the fighter). 1. Pick the 8 top US fighters you can find, and at least 2 guys from Brazil, 2 guys from Japan/Asia, 2 guys from Europe and 2 guys from Russia to add a more international flavor to the show. Lets face it the bottom 8 guys from the US usually aren’t on the level as the top 8, and there is alot of untapped foreign talent.

2. Pick fighters that have at least 4 pro wins and check it on a internet fighter database. Too many young inexperienced fighters.

3. Keep the two coach system, but have an incentive system to boost drama. Award each member on the team a $500-1000 bonus any time someone from their team wins. This will keep fighters training, especially to help themselves win more money.

4. Seed the fighters in the tournament as soon as they are picked. The first guy picked from (Team Serra) gets a #1 seed, #2 picked (Team Hughes) gets the #2 seed all the way down to #16. That way you have 16 person bracket (like highschool wrestling). You can market the bracket like the NCAA tournament. This will also help fighters train for their bouts and manage weight. First round you are guaranteed not to fight a fighter in the same team.

5. Show more training – some of the best footage this year have been glimpses of Serra’s and Hughes’ training.

6. Let the fighters get something from home if they win. Or see webcast of their kids/girlfriend/parents for a couple minutes. (Boost drama and boosts morale of the fighter).

]]> By: Brenner http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7739 Brenner Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:44:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7739 Ok, I haven't had a chance to read all of the suggestions yet, so I apologize if I take someone's idea. I think they should try three teams of 6 fighters. Same format as now were the winner picks the fight. But now it adds a new element. So Coach A can decide to but a fighter from B team against a fighter from C team. I know it would require more big names which translates to more money but I think it would provide a new twist. Just imagine the light heavyweights: Team Liddel/Team Jackson/Team Silvia Ok, I haven’t had a chance to read all of the suggestions yet, so I apologize if I take someone’s idea. I think they should try three teams of 6 fighters. Same format as now were the winner picks the fight. But now it adds a new element. So Coach A can decide to but a fighter from B team against a fighter from C team. I know it would require more big names which translates to more money but I think it would provide a new twist. Just imagine the light heavyweights: Team Liddel/Team Jackson/Team Silvia

]]> By: Timmy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7736 Timmy Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:03:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7736 1.)Show more about the fighters. At various points throughout the season a fighter will have his turn to fight and I won't know anything about him. If these are the future stars of the UFC, show me a little about them. Send camera crews to their houses before filming of the show starts so I can get a glimpse of their family life and see what they are fighting for. That would allow the audience be able to relate with the fighters and make them more personable. 2.) Stop picking bad fighters to be on the show. The first few fights are always so bad because its the best vs the worst. I would like to see completive fights every week. On the first episode it usually pretty easy to see what guys were picked just because they had a good personality. I would rather see a decent fight every week then someone who is good on T.V.. 1.)Show more about the fighters.

At various points throughout the season a fighter will have his turn to fight and I won’t know anything about him. If these are the future stars of the UFC, show me a little about them. Send camera crews to their houses before filming of the show starts so I can get a glimpse of their family life and see what they are fighting for. That would allow the audience be able to relate with the fighters and make them more personable.

2.) Stop picking bad fighters to be on the show.

The first few fights are always so bad because its the best vs the worst. I would like to see completive fights every week. On the first episode it usually pretty easy to see what guys were picked just because they had a good personality. I would rather see a decent fight every week then someone who is good on T.V..

]]> By: Nigel S. Ewing http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7735 Nigel S. Ewing Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:45:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7735 The best way to spice up the show would be send these guys to fight camps (i.e. Militech, Brazilian Top Team, Ceaser Gracie) it would add to the atmosphere and would display sevral top fighters training them. Also have them train for a month and then bring them to Las Vegas for the fights, thus showing us the training first, the fights in the latter half show we can learn about the fighters before we get to the fights. It would definetly give a different perspective and allow the audience to get to know the fighters and care instead of just tossing them out there. The best way to spice up the show would be send these guys to fight camps (i.e. Militech, Brazilian Top Team, Ceaser Gracie) it would add to the atmosphere and would display sevral top fighters training them. Also have them train for a month and then bring them to Las Vegas for the fights, thus showing us the training first, the fights in the latter half show we can learn about the fighters before we get to the fights. It would definetly give a different perspective and allow the audience to get to know the fighters and care instead of just tossing them out there.

]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7731 Mike Wolfe Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:19:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7731 Get rid of the teams coached by two fighters. Have UFC fighters coach the entire group for a week or so, each coach bringing his team with him. This would showcase more fighters, and also the skills and techniques of their trainers who otherwise don't get much publicity. Wouldn't it be cool to watch the trainers who have helped make fighters like Liddel, Rampage, Hughes, etc.? The focus of the show could expand to show the training sessions and not just the drama in the house. Instead of having fighters from two opposing teams square off, it could be luck of the draw, or even have Dana and the UFC matchmaker choose the match up of the week based on their analysis with input from the coach and team, who have worked with all fighters Get rid of the teams coached by two fighters. Have UFC fighters coach the entire group for a week or so, each coach bringing his team with him. This would showcase more fighters, and also the skills and techniques of their trainers who otherwise don’t get much publicity. Wouldn’t it be cool to watch the trainers who have helped make fighters like Liddel, Rampage, Hughes, etc.? The focus of the show could expand to show the training sessions and not just the drama in the house. Instead of having fighters from two opposing teams square off, it could be luck of the draw, or even have Dana and the UFC matchmaker choose the match up of the week based on their analysis with input from the coach and team, who have worked with all fighters

]]> By: Five Ounces of Pain | Last Call: Best Idea To Improve TUF 7 Contest Ends TONIGHT! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7726 Five Ounces of Pain | Last Call: Best Idea To Improve TUF 7 Contest Ends TONIGHT! Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:46:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7726 [...] contest for the best idea to improve The Ultimate Fighter 7 will end TONIGHT, Friday, December 7th at midnight! If you haven’t entered yet, please feel [...] [...] contest for the best idea to improve The Ultimate Fighter 7 will end TONIGHT, Friday, December 7th at midnight! If you haven’t entered yet, please feel [...]

]]> By: j.S. camp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7697 j.S. camp Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:42:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7697 1 more quick point. Winner HAS to have a UFC contract. It can not just be for a cash prize. Why should they use their marketing savy and tv time to promote someone who can become a free agent after winning "their show" TUF. Why promote someone to become a free agent, only making the fighter more personally valuable, with the UFC's TV time. Essentially you're creating a free agent with a recognizable name for someone like SSPE or IFL to sign -- aiding the competition you already have on the ropes. Possibly, the worst business decision possible......Well, that or having Rashad Evans vs Bisping as a PPV main event in the NYC market. wait - they did that, already...... 1 more quick point.
Winner HAS to have a UFC contract. It can not just be for a cash prize. Why should they use their marketing savy and tv time to promote someone who can become a free agent after winning “their show” TUF. Why promote someone to become a free agent, only making the fighter more personally valuable, with the UFC’s TV time. Essentially you’re creating a free agent with a recognizable name for someone like SSPE or IFL to sign — aiding the competition you already have on the ropes. Possibly, the worst business decision possible……Well, that or having Rashad Evans vs Bisping as a PPV main event in the NYC market. wait – they did that, already……

]]> By: j.S. camp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7695 j.S. camp Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:31:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7695 sorry for the double posting. accidental. dont know how/if i could delete the repeated post sorry for the double posting. accidental. dont know how/if i could delete the repeated post

]]> By: j.S. camp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7694 j.S. camp Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:30:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7694 12 guys to start. each fighting one other guy at the end of the show. they fly in from their respective gym to the UFC gym used in the current TUF for the fight at the end of each episode. when you think about it, the cost structure for UFC is quite beneficial as well. Essentially, you're only out of pocket costs are camera crew (which they currently pay) and flights/hotel for one or two nights. Instead of the rigging of the house with cameras and the costs of maintenance/food/etc to house these guys during the entire duration. In my opinion, it's a winner for both the fighters to be able to train in their current gym and live at home. We REALLY GET TO SEE directly what they've left behind when they talk about fighting for the children or family, etc. Sorry to ramble, but wanted to get that in. In response to your question regarding the tournament structure - here it goes...... 12 guys - 1 fight at end of each episode. Fight is taped at UFC gym (same as current one used) Week 1 = fighter 1 vs fighter 2 week 2 = fighter 3 vs fighter 4 week 3 = fighter 5 vs fighter 6 week 4 = fighter 7 vs fighter 8 week 5 = fighter 9 vs fighter 10 week 6 = fighter 11 vs fighter 12 week 7 = winner week 1 vs week 2 AND winner of week 3 vs week 4. (two fights since we don't need another background profile on all of these guys. there's extra tv time to fill) week 8 = Winner week 5 vs Winner week 6. BONUS at end is WHAT LOSING FIGHTERS have improved upon or how they have adjusted their training after thier losses. i.e. wrestling skills, jiu jitsu, where they were week, and what they've done to improve it. Then....instead of undercard fights the public will never see anyhow, have the MOST IMPROVED LOSERS according to Dana White fight as the second fight of the night as a reward for their dedication. It will add a "Dana White cares about his fighters" element which he could desperately use to help his image instead of his usual coming off as a difficult person Week 8 Saturday Night = LIVE FINALE. Same structure. Winners fight. Another decent main event - something like: Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koshcheck rematch. A fight people will care about but not featuring A-Listers that you could use for a real PPV buy rate. 12 guys to start. each fighting one other guy at the end of the show. they fly in from their respective gym to the UFC gym used in the current TUF for the fight at the end of each episode. when you think about it, the cost structure for UFC is quite beneficial as well. Essentially, you’re only out of pocket costs are camera crew (which they currently pay) and flights/hotel for one or two nights. Instead of the rigging of the house with cameras and the costs of maintenance/food/etc to house these guys during the entire duration. In my opinion, it’s a winner for both the fighters to be able to train in their current gym and live at home. We REALLY GET TO SEE directly what they’ve left behind when they talk about fighting for the children or family, etc.

Sorry to ramble, but wanted to get that in. In response to your question regarding the tournament structure – here it goes……
12 guys – 1 fight at end of each episode. Fight is taped at UFC gym (same as current one used)
Week 1 = fighter 1 vs fighter 2
week 2 = fighter 3 vs fighter 4
week 3 = fighter 5 vs fighter 6
week 4 = fighter 7 vs fighter 8
week 5 = fighter 9 vs fighter 10
week 6 = fighter 11 vs fighter 12
week 7 = winner week 1 vs week 2 AND winner of week 3 vs week 4.
(two fights since we don’t need another background profile on all of these guys. there’s extra tv time to fill)
week 8 = Winner week 5 vs Winner week 6. BONUS at end is WHAT LOSING FIGHTERS have improved upon or how they have adjusted their training after thier losses. i.e. wrestling skills, jiu jitsu, where they were week, and what they’ve done to improve it. Then….instead of undercard fights the public will never see anyhow, have the MOST IMPROVED LOSERS according to Dana White fight as the second fight of the night as a reward for their dedication. It will add a “Dana White cares about his fighters” element which he could desperately use to help his image instead of his usual coming off as a difficult person

Week 8 Saturday Night = LIVE FINALE. Same structure. Winners fight. Another decent main event – something like:
Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koshcheck rematch. A fight people will care about but not featuring A-Listers that you could use for a real PPV buy rate.

]]> By: j.S. camp http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-7693 j.S. camp Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:29:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/04/fiveounces-contest-best-idea-to-improve-the-ultimate-fighter-7/#comment-7693 12 guys to start. each fighting one other guy at the end of the show. they fly in from their respective gym to the UFC gym used in the current TUF for the fight at the end of each episode. when you think about it, the cost structure for UFC is quite beneficial as well. Essentially, you're only out of pocket costs are camera crew (which they currently pay) and flights/hotel for one or two nights. Instead of the rigging of the house with cameras and the costs of maintenance/food/etc to house these guys during the entire duration. In my opinion, it's a winner for both the fighters to be able to train in their current gym and live at home. We REALLY GET TO SEE directly what they've left behind when they talk about fighting for the children or family, etc. Sorry to ramble, but wanted to get that in. In response to your question regarding the tournament structure - here it goes...... 12 guys - 1 fight at end of each episode. Fight is taped at UFC gym (same as current one used) Week 1 = fighter 1 vs fighter 2 week 2 = fighter 3 vs fighter 4 week 3 = fighter 5 vs fighter 6 week 4 = fighter 7 vs fighter 8 week 5 = fighter 9 vs fighter 10 week 6 = fighter 11 vs fighter 12 week 7 = winner week 1 vs week 2 AND winner of week 3 vs week 4. (two fights since we don't need another background profile on all of these guys. there's extra tv time to fill) week 8 = Winner week 5 vs Winner week 6. BONUS at end is WHAT LOSING FIGHTERS have improved upon or how they have adjusted their training after thier losses. i.e. wrestling skills, jiu jitsu, where they were week, and what they've done to improve it. Then....instead of undercard fights the public will never see anyhow, have the MOST IMPROVED LOSERS according to Dana White fight as the second fight of the night as a reward for their dedication. It will add a "Dana White cares about his fighters" element which he could desperately use to help his image instead of his usual coming off as a difficult person Week 8 Saturday Night = LIVE FINALE. Same structure. Winners fight. Another decent main event - something like: Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koshcheck rematch. A fight people will care about but not featuring A-Listers that you could use for a real PPV buy rate. a 12 guys to start. each fighting one other guy at the end of the show. they fly in from their respective gym to the UFC gym used in the current TUF for the fight at the end of each episode. when you think about it, the cost structure for UFC is quite beneficial as well. Essentially, you’re only out of pocket costs are camera crew (which they currently pay) and flights/hotel for one or two nights. Instead of the rigging of the house with cameras and the costs of maintenance/food/etc to house these guys during the entire duration. In my opinion, it’s a winner for both the fighters to be able to train in their current gym and live at home. We REALLY GET TO SEE directly what they’ve left behind when they talk about fighting for the children or family, etc.

Sorry to ramble, but wanted to get that in. In response to your question regarding the tournament structure – here it goes……
12 guys – 1 fight at end of each episode. Fight is taped at UFC gym (same as current one used)
Week 1 = fighter 1 vs fighter 2
week 2 = fighter 3 vs fighter 4
week 3 = fighter 5 vs fighter 6
week 4 = fighter 7 vs fighter 8
week 5 = fighter 9 vs fighter 10
week 6 = fighter 11 vs fighter 12
week 7 = winner week 1 vs week 2 AND winner of week 3 vs week 4.
(two fights since we don’t need another background profile on all of these guys. there’s extra tv time to fill)
week 8 = Winner week 5 vs Winner week 6. BONUS at end is WHAT LOSING FIGHTERS have improved upon or how they have adjusted their training after thier losses. i.e. wrestling skills, jiu jitsu, where they were week, and what they’ve done to improve it. Then….instead of undercard fights the public will never see anyhow, have the MOST IMPROVED LOSERS according to Dana White fight as the second fight of the night as a reward for their dedication. It will add a “Dana White cares about his fighters” element which he could desperately use to help his image instead of his usual coming off as a difficult person

Week 8 Saturday Night = LIVE FINALE. Same structure. Winners fight. Another decent main event – something like:
Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koshcheck rematch. A fight people will care about but not featuring A-Listers that you could use for a real PPV buy rate. a

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