Comments on: UFC 79 Thoughts & Commentary http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 00:45:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: nathan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9914 nathan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:40:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9914 Serra is screwed, coming off a injury and facing gsp at his best, ouch. The way he totally owned hughes on the ground who I believe is much stronger than serra, was crazy, serra will tire out much quicker than hughes and will most likely suffer the same fate. Its interesting to note that koscheck laughed at gsp for thinking he was the better wrestler and gsp out wrestled him. Hughes stated he was much better on the ground than gsp and didn't fight his fight in there last fight then gsp completely owned him on the ground. Whats serra gonna say?? My guess if how ever he say's he's going to beat gsp, gsp will beat him by that very method. Serra is screwed, coming off a injury and facing gsp at his best, ouch. The way he totally owned hughes on the ground who I believe is much stronger than serra, was crazy, serra will tire out much quicker than hughes and will most likely suffer the same fate. Its interesting to note that koscheck laughed at gsp for thinking he was the better wrestler and gsp out wrestled him. Hughes stated he was much better on the ground than gsp and didn’t fight his fight in there last fight then gsp completely owned him on the ground. Whats serra gonna say?? My guess if how ever he say’s he’s going to beat gsp, gsp will beat him by that very method.

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]]> By: blakspring http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9749 blakspring Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:19:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9749 Adam, Really great commentaries on the fights. I agree with everything, especially about GSP being the best at the moment. He was amazing last night - completely focused and precise. I cannot wait to see him take on Serra. And seeing Hughes screaming TAP TAP really made my night. Check out http://blakspring.com/blog/2007/12/30/the-beauty-of-the-armbar/ if you're interested in a less professional (and female) take on the fights. Adam,
Really great commentaries on the fights. I agree with everything, especially about GSP being the best at the moment. He was amazing last night – completely focused and precise. I cannot wait to see him take on Serra.
And seeing Hughes screaming TAP TAP really made my night.
Check out http://blakspring.com/blog/2007/12/30/the-beauty-of-the-armbar/ if you’re interested in a less professional (and female) take on the fights.

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]]> By: makeutapout http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9748 makeutapout Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:09:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9748 Also, I'd have to agree that that one should have been a 5 rnd fight. I realized at some point in the second that it probably wasn't going to end in 3, unless there was a wild looping lucky shot to someones chin. Damn shame, that. Also, I’d have to agree that that one should have been a 5 rnd fight. I realized at some point in the second that it probably wasn’t going to end in 3, unless there was a wild looping lucky shot to someones chin. Damn shame, that.

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]]> By: makeutapout http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9747 makeutapout Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:58:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9747 Silva lost all three rounds. He had a better run in the second but that's all. I think the deal with Chuck backing off when he had Silva hurt was, if he didn't finish Silva off right then, he wouldn't have enough gas left in his tank to do much later. There was still like half the round left and if Silva survived it and came at Chuck full force, what could he do. It didn't look to me like Silva was gonna go down and I think Chuck saw it the same way. Silva lost all three rounds. He had a better run in the second but that’s all. I think the deal with Chuck backing off when he had Silva hurt was, if he didn’t finish Silva off right then, he wouldn’t have enough gas left in his tank to do much later. There was still like half the round left and if Silva survived it and came at Chuck full force, what could he do. It didn’t look to me like Silva was gonna go down and I think Chuck saw it the same way.

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]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9726 Tommy Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:42:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9726 The only round Silva did anything halfway significant was the second so I guess people just really wanted to give it to him. Plus Chuck was watching the clock cause he was tired not because he was suddenly afraid of being knocked out. How dumb to say. The only round Silva did anything halfway significant was the second so I guess people just really wanted to give it to him. Plus Chuck was watching the clock cause he was tired not because he was suddenly afraid of being knocked out. How dumb to say.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL ™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9689 MMA SKOOL ™ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:57:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9689 #22 you must have picked Wandy to win the fight, and your beer goggles had you believing that a few slips were actually Chuck getting rocked. Wandy inflicted damage in the 2nd round, true, but Liddell did more. Liddell broke Wandy in that round after Wandy ended up on the losing end of his own muay thai clinch. #22 you must have picked Wandy to win the fight, and your beer goggles had you believing that a few slips were actually Chuck getting rocked. Wandy inflicted damage in the 2nd round, true, but Liddell did more. Liddell broke Wandy in that round after Wandy ended up on the losing end of his own muay thai clinch.

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]]> By: Jay K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9682 Jay K. Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:57:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9682 I definitely believe Silva won round 2 and thought that the two judges were NOT impartial when they were paid to do so. The 30-27 score didn't indicate what both fighters were really doing and I felt that the 29-28 score was more indicative of what the real outcome was. Great fight!! The Clementi vs. Douchebag fight was also great! The Douchebag only knows how to throw bombs and left hisself wide open for a more mature Clementi to move in and RNC. I definitely liked the takedown that Clementi used to bring Douchebag down to the floor. I definitely believe Silva won round 2 and thought that the two judges were NOT impartial when they were paid to do so.

The 30-27 score didn’t indicate what both fighters were really doing and I felt that the 29-28 score was more indicative of what the real outcome was.

Great fight!!

The Clementi vs. Douchebag fight was also great! The Douchebag only knows how to throw bombs and left hisself wide open for a more mature Clementi to move in and RNC. I definitely liked the takedown that Clementi used to bring Douchebag down to the floor.

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]]> By: Handover Fist http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9679 Handover Fist Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:39:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9679 Personally I thought the 2nd round of the Liddell/Silva fight was very close. I just don't see how anyone could say it "clearly" went one way or the other. Georges St.Pierre and Anderson Silva are just on a whole another plane. They've both dominated the 2nd best guy in their respected divisions. What a great time to be a fan of MMA. Its just amazing how fast the skill level of the top fighters is advancing. Guys that looked unbeatable just a mere 24 months ago, now almost seem one dimensional when compared to guys like St. Pierre and Silva. It makes you wonder what the next 24 months will hold in store for us fans. :-) Personally I thought the 2nd round of the Liddell/Silva fight was very close. I just don’t see how anyone could say it “clearly” went one way or the other.

Georges St.Pierre and Anderson Silva are just on a whole another plane. They’ve both dominated the 2nd best guy in their respected divisions.

What a great time to be a fan of MMA. Its just amazing how fast the skill level of the top fighters is advancing. Guys that looked unbeatable just a mere 24 months ago, now almost seem one dimensional when compared to guys like St. Pierre and Silva.

It makes you wonder what the next 24 months will hold in store for us fans. :-)

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL ™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9677 MMA SKOOL ™ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:29:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9677 Needless to say it was a close and exciting match. Until the last half of the 3rd round, I thought Wandy was only 1 punch away from turning the tides. Could it be that he wasn't accustomed to getting elbowed? That elbow and the very first punch that sent him backpedalling all the way back to the fence looked like huge psychological points for Liddell. Very memorable fight. Needless to say it was a close and exciting match. Until the last half of the 3rd round, I thought Wandy was only 1 punch away from turning the tides.

Could it be that he wasn’t accustomed to getting elbowed? That elbow and the very first punch that sent him backpedalling all the way back to the fence looked like huge psychological points for Liddell.

Very memorable fight.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL ™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9675 MMA SKOOL ™ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:15:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9675 ---> LIDDELL EASILY ONE ALL 3 ROUNDS PEOPLE! ONLY THE ONE'S WHO PICKED WANDY TO WIN ARE SAYING HE WON THE 2ND ROUND. ---> WANDY LANDED SOME SHOTS IN THAT ROUND BUT THAT ELBOW FROM THE CLINCH DID A LOT OF DAMAGE. WANDY WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE MUAY THAI CLINCH AFTER THAT. ---> HOW CAN YOU SAY A CUT ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL? WANDY DIDN'T WANT TO TIE UP CHUCK AFTER THAT. TITO ATE THE SAME ELBOW IN HIS 2ND FIGHT WITH CHUCK. ---> WANDY IS FROM CHUTE BOXE. HE CAN SURELY EAT A PUNCH LIKE NO OTHER. HE LOOKED GOOD. UNFORTUNATELY HE DIDN'T USE THE LEG KICKS TO KEEP CHUCK FROM FINDING HIS RHYTHM LIKE JARDINE DID. ---> WANDY LOOKS SMALLER THAN IN PRIDE BECAUSE HE'S OFF THE 'ROIDS. ---> SWITCH TO MIDDLEWEIGHT? COME ON, HE JUST LASTED 3 ROUNDS WITH CHUCK LIDDELL WHO WAS ON HIS GAME. THERE ARE A HALF DOZEN LWH'S I'D LIKE TO SEE WANDY FIGHT. —> LIDDELL EASILY ONE ALL 3 ROUNDS PEOPLE! ONLY THE ONE’S WHO PICKED WANDY TO WIN ARE SAYING HE WON THE 2ND ROUND.

—> WANDY LANDED SOME SHOTS IN THAT ROUND BUT THAT ELBOW FROM THE CLINCH DID A LOT OF DAMAGE. WANDY WASN’T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE MUAY THAI CLINCH AFTER THAT.

—> HOW CAN YOU SAY A CUT ISN’T THAT BIG OF A DEAL? WANDY DIDN’T WANT TO TIE UP CHUCK AFTER THAT. TITO ATE THE SAME ELBOW IN HIS 2ND FIGHT WITH CHUCK.

—> WANDY IS FROM CHUTE BOXE. HE CAN SURELY EAT A PUNCH LIKE NO OTHER. HE LOOKED GOOD. UNFORTUNATELY HE DIDN’T USE THE LEG KICKS TO KEEP CHUCK FROM FINDING HIS RHYTHM LIKE JARDINE DID.

—> WANDY LOOKS SMALLER THAN IN PRIDE BECAUSE HE’S OFF THE ‘ROIDS.

—> SWITCH TO MIDDLEWEIGHT? COME ON, HE JUST LASTED 3 ROUNDS WITH CHUCK LIDDELL WHO WAS ON HIS GAME. THERE ARE A HALF DOZEN LWH’S I’D LIKE TO SEE WANDY FIGHT.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9674 Evan Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:15:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9674 Interesting idea and I agree Mr.T. Let him go over to K-1 as the brash American. It would be a perfect story for them. Interesting idea and I agree Mr.T. Let him go over to K-1 as the brash American. It would be a perfect story for them.

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]]> By: Mr. Takedown http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9673 Mr. Takedown Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:55:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9673 does anyone else think that Melvin would be HUGE if he fought in Japan? I'm being serious... He is explosive on his feat and has a larger than life personality. The Japanese eat that stuff up. He's too immature and not well rounded to succeed in the UFC, but he can live it up with his chinchilla fur coats and oversized entourage in the land of the rising sun. does anyone else think that Melvin would be HUGE if he fought in Japan? I’m being serious… He is explosive on his feat and has a larger than life personality. The Japanese eat that stuff up.
He’s too immature and not well rounded to succeed in the UFC, but he can live it up with his chinchilla fur coats and oversized entourage in the land of the rising sun.

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]]> By: Steve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9671 Steve Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:55:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9671 Donk - I was saying halfway through the third this should have been a five round fight. Who wouldn't have wanted to see that??? Maybe we would have seen a knockout, who knows... Silva did look noticeably smaller than I remember him. I think what really killed Wand was the reach advantage Chuck had. Chuck would be landing blows and Wandy would be swinging back from the same distance coming up like half a foot short. That was the biggest difference I noticed. Donk – I was saying halfway through the third this should have been a five round fight. Who wouldn’t have wanted to see that??? Maybe we would have seen a knockout, who knows…

Silva did look noticeably smaller than I remember him. I think what really killed Wand was the reach advantage Chuck had. Chuck would be landing blows and Wandy would be swinging back from the same distance coming up like half a foot short. That was the biggest difference I noticed.

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]]> By: Donk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9657 Donk Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:45:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9657 Well George was a classy guy not accepting the interim title, but George is right, it's bullshit. Serra is the champ, George says it himslef so why did Dana put on a five round fight? His argment was basically that he wants to see them go five rounds... Okay, bit subjective there... But look at the Liddell - Silva fight, it went the distance. Both these guys deserve to fight a five round fight, with the hand waving argment of the five rounder between George and Matt, in my opinion Liddell and Silva deserve a five rounder too. I think Liddell won it, but neither guy had the others number and it looked like a knock-out was never far away for either man. I would have liked to see a five rounder between these two guys, and you know what they both deseved it after what they have put in and achieved. As far as i'm concerned each weight class should have it's own divisions of talent. Lower, Middle and Upper. If your not in the upper it's three rounds, otherwise it's five. Sure you may have some boring fights that you don't want to see, but the top guys deserve to have the opportunity to finish the other, to see who is really the better. This can only work with deep divisions though and for orgs like UFC, but I think it's the only way to properly respect the top fighters talents without it being subjective. Well George was a classy guy not accepting the interim title, but George is right, it’s bullshit. Serra is the champ, George says it himslef so why did Dana put on a five round fight? His argment was basically that he wants to see them go five rounds… Okay, bit subjective there…

But look at the Liddell – Silva fight, it went the distance. Both these guys deserve to fight a five round fight, with the hand waving argment of the five rounder between George and Matt, in my opinion Liddell and Silva deserve a five rounder too. I think Liddell won it, but neither guy had the others number and it looked like a knock-out was never far away for either man. I would have liked to see a five rounder between these two guys, and you know what they both deseved it after what they have put in and achieved.

As far as i’m concerned each weight class should have it’s own divisions of talent. Lower, Middle and Upper. If your not in the upper it’s three rounds, otherwise it’s five. Sure you may have some boring fights that you don’t want to see, but the top guys deserve to have the opportunity to finish the other, to see who is really the better. This can only work with deep divisions though and for orgs like UFC, but I think it’s the only way to properly respect the top fighters talents without it being subjective.

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]]> By: Echolocating http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9654 Echolocating Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:51:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9654 I admit, the cut to Wanderlei was really nasty, but how much scoring weight should be given to a cut? Anyway, I just agree with Adam Morgan's take on who won the second round, is all, and thought a majority of others might have seen it the same way too. I have been known to be completely wrong from time to time. ;-) ----- Regarding the suggestion for Wanderlei to move down to middleweight... Silva looked pretty ripped. I don't know how any fighter can lose 20 pounds of muscle. Maybe if he eats celery sticks and doesn't lift any weights for 6 months? I don't know. Then again, I have no idea what weight Wanderlei walks around at. I admit, the cut to Wanderlei was really nasty, but how much scoring weight should be given to a cut? Anyway, I just agree with Adam Morgan’s take on who won the second round, is all, and thought a majority of others might have seen it the same way too.

I have been known to be completely wrong from time to time. ;-)

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Regarding the suggestion for Wanderlei to move down to middleweight… Silva looked pretty ripped. I don’t know how any fighter can lose 20 pounds of muscle. Maybe if he eats celery sticks and doesn’t lift any weights for 6 months? I don’t know. Then again, I have no idea what weight Wanderlei walks around at.

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]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9653 Tommy Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:30:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9653 Clearly won the second round? What, cause Liddell slipped twice while bashing cuts into Silvas face. Because he was a little more aggresive though uneffective? When did Silva come close to hurting Chuck? I thought Tony Weeks should be fired for giving whatever round he did to Silva. Clearly won the second round? What, cause Liddell slipped twice while bashing cuts into Silvas face. Because he was a little more aggresive though uneffective? When did Silva come close to hurting Chuck? I thought Tony Weeks should be fired for giving whatever round he did to Silva.

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]]> By: lima steve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9651 lima steve Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:20:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9651 yeah silva definently didn't fight his usual style of an all out assault.it looked like he was waiting for chuck so that he could react to what chuck was doing.but if you let liddell hit you first its going to be a loss every time.if you look on you tube mike you can see his pride fights and he is definently thicker than he was tonite yeah silva definently didn’t fight his usual style of an all out assault.it looked like he was waiting for chuck so that he could react to what chuck was doing.but if you let liddell hit you first its going to be a loss every time.if you look on you tube mike you can see his pride fights and he is definently thicker than he was tonite

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9648 mike wolfe Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:16:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9648 Bubba-- Urijah Faber from the WEC has some amazing wrestling skills. Hard to compare him to heavier fighters, but I don't think anyone is as quick and as strong, pound for pound. Bubba–
Urijah Faber from the WEC has some amazing wrestling skills. Hard to compare him to heavier fighters, but I don’t think anyone is as quick and as strong, pound for pound.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9647 mike wolfe Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:13:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9647 It was Liddell's fight in all three rounds. Silva came out strong early in the second, but Liddell turned it around by the end of the round, especially with the elbow that opened up Silva's eye. Silva shouldn't have tried to stand and trade. He gave up too much height and reach. His game has always been to close, clinch, and knee. I don't think he threw a single knee, did he? He did land some good leg kicks, and should've gone to them non stop if he didn't want to close and clinch. I'd like to see some of the stats from the old PRIDE fights if they're still available for comparison. I'll bet Silva was 10-15 lbs lighter than many of his PRIDE fights. It was Liddell’s fight in all three rounds. Silva came out strong early in the second, but Liddell turned it around by the end of the round, especially with the elbow that opened up Silva’s eye. Silva shouldn’t have tried to stand and trade. He gave up too much height and reach. His game has always been to close, clinch, and knee. I don’t think he threw a single knee, did he? He did land some good leg kicks, and should’ve gone to them non stop if he didn’t want to close and clinch. I’d like to see some of the stats from the old PRIDE fights if they’re still available for comparison. I’ll bet Silva was 10-15 lbs lighter than many of his PRIDE fights.

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]]> By: lima steve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-9646 lima steve Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/12/30/ufc-79-thoughts/#comment-9646 silva is a true warrior for taking all those bombs and still fighting.I to noticed he wasn't as big as he was in pride.I think if you look at the pride guys who have came over to the ufc, they are all small in their weight class.and their performences are not close to the dominance they showed in pride.is this because the step up in competion or could it be that they never tested for juice in japan.The guys coming over like crocop getting handed 2 losses in a row.this guy was once considerd top 5 in the world and could challenge couture.then he was beat by gonzaga who in turn got totally outclassed by couture.look at shogon he looked bad physically gassed out early and didn't have the explosiveness that he once exhibited in pride.fedor in my opinion is ducking fights in the u.s.all i'm saying is it that these guys are coming over here and their not as strong,big,fast or have the gas tanks they displayed in pride.could it be because steroids and banned subatances are tested for here. silva is a true warrior for taking all those bombs and still fighting.I to noticed he wasn’t as big as he was in pride.I think if you look at the pride guys who have came over to the ufc, they are all small in their weight class.and their performences are not close to the dominance they showed in pride.is this because the step up in competion or could it be that they never tested for juice in japan.The guys coming over like crocop getting handed 2 losses in a row.this guy was once considerd top 5 in the world and could challenge couture.then he was beat by gonzaga who in turn got totally outclassed by couture.look at shogon he looked bad physically gassed out early and didn’t have the explosiveness that he once exhibited in pride.fedor in my opinion is ducking fights in the u.s.all i’m saying is it that these guys are coming over here and their not as strong,big,fast or have the gas tanks they displayed in pride.could it be because steroids and banned subatances are tested for here.

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