Comments on: Dana White responds to Gary Shaw http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: rober http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-15197 rober Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:51:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-15197 hehehe.anderson is right.the ufc fighters should ask for an increase.they can do what hollywoood writers did.bond together and go on strike. until Dana gives them an increase.mma fighters train 3x more than boxers so they should get even more money than boxers. stop the talk Dana .and start paying!!!ufc fighers can use the mohmad ali act which states that fighters should get bigger percentage on ppv.. hehehe.anderson is right.the ufc fighters should ask for an increase.they can do what hollywoood writers did.bond together and go on strike. until Dana gives them an increase.mma fighters train 3x more than boxers so they should get even more money than boxers. stop the talk Dana .and start paying!!!ufc fighers can use the mohmad ali act which states that fighters should get bigger percentage on ppv..

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]]> By: anderson http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-15195 anderson Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:46:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-15195 Dana is liar. we dont talk business in public? how bout him guesting in bloomberg and talking about business. how bout him always in the media and ranting this and that that ufc is a mulitmillion dollar blah blah blah.the truth is he is really afraid of the new competion out there.he hyped the ufc so much that theyre supose to earning tons of money.but he did not say that they also spend tons of money to advertise it.so actually theyre net income is not as big as he hyped it to be. the problem.1 now ufc fighters want a bigger slice of the pie---dana now cant deny he dosent have money.because he's preaching that they have(but they dont) 2.everybody wants to get in mma.specially bigger business people like the billonare dalas maverick owner. m1 .and now tito ortiz wants to go solo to earn biger ppv.. so if you pay low and these guys come in. it would be huge turmoil for the ufc. you will see a lot of defection resulting in court dates which is all bad for mma... by the way i saw the ppv numbers of Evan up there... manny pacquiao is no 11 at ppv but he got a 3M dollar paycheck plus ppv revenue of about a million...Coture is number 6 ppv. and gets 250,000paycheck. whats up with that Dana?pay fighters the right way Dana is liar. we dont talk business in public? how bout him guesting in bloomberg and talking about business. how bout him always in the media and ranting this and that that ufc is a mulitmillion dollar blah blah blah.the truth is he is really afraid of the new competion out there.he hyped the ufc so much that theyre supose to earning tons of money.but he did not say that they also spend tons of money to advertise it.so actually theyre net income is not as big as he hyped it to be.
the problem.1 now ufc fighters want a bigger slice of the pie—dana now cant deny he dosent have money.because he’s preaching that they have(but they dont)
2.everybody wants to get in mma.specially bigger business people like the billonare dalas maverick owner. m1 .and now tito ortiz wants to go solo to earn biger ppv.. so if you pay low and these guys come in. it would be huge turmoil for the ufc. you will see a lot of defection resulting in court dates which is all bad for mma… by the way i saw the ppv numbers of Evan up there… manny pacquiao is no 11 at ppv but he got a 3M dollar paycheck plus ppv revenue of about a million…Coture is number 6 ppv. and gets 250,000paycheck. whats up with that Dana?pay fighters the right way

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11581 Ivan Trembow Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11581 It doesn't. That's why they don't inflate the numbers when they're telling the top PPV main event fighters what the PPV buyrates were and handing out the PPV bonus checks. But apparently, of all the ridiculous things Gary Shaw said in that interview, the one statement that bothered Dana White the most or required a response the most was one that actually appears to be true from all indications: that the UFC's 2007 PPV numbers were down from the UFC's 2006 PPV numbers. And in the predictable bravado that you had to know was coming, Dana White went on the record saying that the opposite was true. My point was then to say that it's going to become increasingly difficult to keep telling PPV main event fighters in contract negotiations that their PPV numbers are down at the same time they are saying the exact opposite in a public interview like this. It doesn’t. That’s why they don’t inflate the numbers when they’re telling the top PPV main event fighters what the PPV buyrates were and handing out the PPV bonus checks. But apparently, of all the ridiculous things Gary Shaw said in that interview, the one statement that bothered Dana White the most or required a response the most was one that actually appears to be true from all indications: that the UFC’s 2007 PPV numbers were down from the UFC’s 2006 PPV numbers. And in the predictable bravado that you had to know was coming, Dana White went on the record saying that the opposite was true. My point was then to say that it’s going to become increasingly difficult to keep telling PPV main event fighters in contract negotiations that their PPV numbers are down at the same time they are saying the exact opposite in a public interview like this.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11319 Mike Wolfe Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:20:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11319 If the UFC is going to cook the books about PPV's to short change the fighters, wouldn't UFC want to understate the numbers? I can't imagine a contract in which the fighters get more money as the PPV's decline. If UFC is inflating the numbers, that should cost them more when paying the fighters. Inflated numbers might be in UFC's interest when wooing sponsors or investors or networks, but I don't see how that helps them push down fighter compensation. If the UFC is going to cook the books about PPV’s to short change the fighters, wouldn’t UFC want to understate the numbers? I can’t imagine a contract in which the fighters get more money as the PPV’s decline. If UFC is inflating the numbers, that should cost them more when paying the fighters. Inflated numbers might be in UFC’s interest when wooing sponsors or investors or networks, but I don’t see how that helps them push down fighter compensation.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11272 Ivan Trembow Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:42:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11272 Even if UFC 78 and UFC 79 both did WAY above expectations, there's still no way they would have matched the 2006 total of $222 million in gross PPV revenue. So again, either the published numbers are wrong, or Dana White is not being truthful when he says that they beat their own 2006 record in 2007, or the PPV numbers being provided to everyone else are not the “real” pay-per-view numbers. The reason this becomes increasingly relevant is because the top PPV main-eventers are getting paid based on what they are told the PPV numbers are, and the fighters have no way of knowing if the numbers they're told are the actual numbers. Even if UFC 78 and UFC 79 both did WAY above expectations, there’s still no way they would have matched the 2006 total of $222 million in gross PPV revenue. So again, either the published numbers are wrong, or Dana White is not being truthful when he says that they beat their own 2006 record in 2007, or the PPV numbers being provided to everyone else are not the “real” pay-per-view numbers.

The reason this becomes increasingly relevant is because the top PPV main-eventers are getting paid based on what they are told the PPV numbers are, and the fighters have no way of knowing if the numbers they’re told are the actual numbers.

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]]> By: Shawn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11238 Shawn Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:20:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11238 All that matters is that Shaw is an idiot and the UFC is hugely succesful. Those are the facts. Love him or hate him, White can back up what he says with proof while every time Shaw opens his mouth he makes himself look more like an infected asshole than a promoter. All that matters is that Shaw is an idiot and the UFC is hugely succesful. Those are the facts. Love him or hate him, White can back up what he says with proof while every time Shaw opens his mouth he makes himself look more like an infected asshole than a promoter.

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11236 Adam Morgan Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:48:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11236 UFC 78 is going to crack the Top 15? That is surprising. That card was pretty much awful. UFC 78 is going to crack the Top 15? That is surprising. That card was pretty much awful.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11224 Evan Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:08:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11224 Ivan They are still waiting for two to come in. "*Numbers not yet available for UFC 78 and 79, which are expected to crack the top 15. Source: Wrestling Observer." Ivan

They are still waiting for two to come in.

“*Numbers not yet available for UFC 78 and 79, which are expected to crack the top 15. Source: Wrestling Observer.”

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11217 Ivan Trembow Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:42:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11217 Evan--- I saw those numbers, and they don't add up to $222 million of gross PPV revenue. So either those numbers are wrong, or Dana White is not being truthful when he says that they beat their own 2006 record in 2007, or the PPV numbers being provided to everyone else are not the "real" pay-per-view numbers. Evan— I saw those numbers, and they don’t add up to $222 million of gross PPV revenue. So either those numbers are wrong, or Dana White is not being truthful when he says that they beat their own 2006 record in 2007, or the PPV numbers being provided to everyone else are not the “real” pay-per-view numbers.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11211 mike wolfe Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:54:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11211 It's always a little entertaining to listen to two guys trash talk. Little is the operative word. After a few clever retorts, you have to look past the chin noise and look at the facts. The facts are that UFC is hugely successful, and that success is due in substantial part to White. Nobody could or should take Shaw seriously until he has the same or comparable success as White. Sure he's just trying to get headlines, but his comments are so patently stupid that his stupidity is the headline. Does anybody truly want that kind of publicity? It’s always a little entertaining to listen to two guys trash talk. Little is the operative word. After a few clever retorts, you have to look past the chin noise and look at the facts. The facts are that UFC is hugely successful, and that success is due in substantial part to White. Nobody could or should take Shaw seriously until he has the same or comparable success as White. Sure he’s just trying to get headlines, but his comments are so patently stupid that his stupidity is the headline. Does anybody truly want that kind of publicity?

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11207 Evan Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:32:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11207 Ivan http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y...=yhoo&type=lgns • 1. Boxing: Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather, May 5: 2,400,000 • 2. Boxing: Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton, Dec. 8: 850,000 • 3. WWE: Wrestlemania, April 1: 760,000 • 4. UFC: Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson, May 26: 675,000 • 5. UFC: Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture, March 3: 540,000 • 6. UFC: Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga, Aug. 24: 520,000 • 7. UFC: Liddell vs. Keith Jardine, Sept. 22: 475,000 • 8. UFC: Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans, July 7: 425,000 • 9. UFC: Anderson Silva vs. Travis Lutter, Feb. 2: 400,000 • 10. UFC: Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, April 7: 400,000 • 11. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Marco Antonio Barrera, Oct. 6: 350,000 • 12. WWE: SummerSlam, Aug. 26: 344,000 • 13. Boxing: Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosley, Nov. 10: 340,000 • 14. UFC: Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin, Oct. 20: 325,000 • 15. WWE: Royal Rumble, Jan. 28: 314,000 *Numbers not yet available for UFC 78 and 79, which are expected to crack the top 15. Source: Wrestling Observer. Ivan

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y…=yhoo&type=lgns

• 1. Boxing: Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather, May 5: 2,400,000
• 2. Boxing: Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton, Dec. 8: 850,000
• 3. WWE: Wrestlemania, April 1: 760,000
• 4. UFC: Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson, May 26: 675,000
• 5. UFC: Tim Sylvia vs. Randy Couture, March 3: 540,000
• 6. UFC: Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga, Aug. 24: 520,000
• 7. UFC: Liddell vs. Keith Jardine, Sept. 22: 475,000
• 8. UFC: Tito Ortiz vs. Rashad Evans, July 7: 425,000
• 9. UFC: Anderson Silva vs. Travis Lutter, Feb. 2: 400,000
• 10. UFC: Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, April 7: 400,000
• 11. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Marco Antonio Barrera, Oct. 6: 350,000
• 12. WWE: SummerSlam, Aug. 26: 344,000
• 13. Boxing: Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosley, Nov. 10: 340,000
• 14. UFC: Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin, Oct. 20: 325,000
• 15. WWE: Royal Rumble, Jan. 28: 314,000

*Numbers not yet available for UFC 78 and 79, which are expected to crack the top 15. Source: Wrestling Observer.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11206 Sam Cupitt Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:28:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11206 Hilarious. Hilarious.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11205 Ivan Trembow Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:24:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11205 Wow, so the UFC's gross PPV revenue in 2007 was MORE than their $222 million in gross PPV revenue from 2006? Wow, so the UFC’s gross PPV revenue in 2007 was MORE than their $222 million in gross PPV revenue from 2006?

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]]> By: Popetastic http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11191 Popetastic Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:16:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11191 Dana says some pretty stupid things sometimes. But I agree with him, here. Shaw is only taking shots at Dana White to get publicity for Elite XC. The last Ultimate Fighter Finale show was better than any Elite XC event ever done. And it was free on Spike. Nuff said. Dana says some pretty stupid things sometimes. But I agree with him, here. Shaw is only taking shots at Dana White to get publicity for Elite XC.

The last Ultimate Fighter Finale show was better than any Elite XC event ever done. And it was free on Spike. Nuff said.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11188 Evan Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:06:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11188 "Is the other person out there?" /waves hand I love the EliteXC but I cannot stand Shaw. The less MMA has anything to do with boxing the better. “Is the other person out there?”

/waves hand

I love the EliteXC but I cannot stand Shaw. The less MMA has anything to do with boxing the better.

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]]> By: C.C. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11185 C.C. Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:02:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11185 so garth is one of the two people who watches Elite XC. Is the other person out there? so garth is one of the two people who watches Elite XC. Is the other person out there?

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]]> By: screwface http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11182 screwface Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:32:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11182 love him or hate him, he never disappoints with comedy comebacks. he had to talk about it in public garth in order to address shaws comments. no way am i defending white, but if shaw and white were in the schoolyard talking trash to each other i gotta give white the edge on this 1. shaw deserved it and more, elite xc is the minor leagues of mma if ufc is the major league. wouldve been smarter for shaw to commend ufc instead of trying to bash it in the first place. this is comedy to me and i hope it doesnt end here. please shaw a witty comeback is in order :p love him or hate him, he never disappoints with comedy comebacks.
he had to talk about it in public garth in order to address shaws comments. no way am i defending white, but if shaw and white were in the schoolyard talking trash to each other i gotta give white the edge on this 1. shaw deserved it and more, elite xc is the minor leagues of mma if ufc is the major league. wouldve been smarter for shaw to commend ufc instead of trying to bash it in the first place. this is comedy to me and i hope it doesnt end here. please shaw a witty comeback is in order :p

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]]> By: garth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11169 garth Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:11:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11169 actually, white comes off looking like a classless halfwit. he says he doesn't want to talk about business in public, while talking about business in public. i got showtime specifically to watch eliteXC. saying "both their fans" is just cheap snark, and his whole comment sounds schoolyard to me. weak. actually, white comes off looking like a classless halfwit. he says he doesn’t want to talk about business in public, while talking about business in public. i got showtime specifically to watch eliteXC.
saying “both their fans” is just cheap snark, and his whole comment sounds schoolyard to me.
weak.

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]]> By: Kelvin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/comment-page-1/#comment-11156 Kelvin Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:48:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/dana-white-responds-to-gary-shaw/#comment-11156 Dana Owned Shaw...lol Dana Owned Shaw…lol

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