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		<title>By: MMA Kamander</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-14826</link>
		<dc:creator>MMA Kamander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great card. Eight out of the nine fights were televised, and those fights were all solid. Overall the fights were relevant and exciting.

MMA Kamander gives this card 4 stars.

4.5 stars for B.J. Penn vs. Joe Stevenson
3 stars for Fabricio Werdum vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
3 stars for Marcus Davis vs. Jess Liaudin
4 stars for Wilson Gouveia vs. Jason Lambert
4 stars for Jorge Rivera vs. Kendall Grove
3 stars for Antoni Hardonk vs. Colin Robinson
3 stars for Paul Kelly vs. Paul Taylor
3 stars for Alessio Sakara vs. James Lee
2 stars for Sam Stout vs. Per Eklund

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- action and excitement
- skill and technique
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great card. Eight out of the nine fights were televised, and those fights were all solid. Overall the fights were relevant and exciting.</p>
<p>MMA Kamander gives this card 4 stars.</p>
<p>4.5 stars for B.J. Penn vs. Joe Stevenson<br />
3 stars for Fabricio Werdum vs. Gabriel Gonzaga<br />
3 stars for Marcus Davis vs. Jess Liaudin<br />
4 stars for Wilson Gouveia vs. Jason Lambert<br />
4 stars for Jorge Rivera vs. Kendall Grove<br />
3 stars for Antoni Hardonk vs. Colin Robinson<br />
3 stars for Paul Kelly vs. Paul Taylor<br />
3 stars for Alessio Sakara vs. James Lee<br />
2 stars for Sam Stout vs. Per Eklund</p>
<p>Events and fights are rated from 1-5 stars based on:<br />
- action and excitement<br />
- skill and technique<br />
- significance and interest</p>
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		<title>By: Sea_of_Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sea_of_Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you have some self-examining to do.  BJ Penn completely and utterly dominated Joe.  I know that he&#039;s your golden boy, but the dude got beat up.  He didn&#039;t land more than 5 strikes in the entire fight.  BJ looked better than he has in 5 years.  On the Davis note.  I would like to see a Karo fight.  I dunno, just an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you have some self-examining to do.  BJ Penn completely and utterly dominated Joe.  I know that he&#8217;s your golden boy, but the dude got beat up.  He didn&#8217;t land more than 5 strikes in the entire fight.  BJ looked better than he has in 5 years.  On the Davis note.  I would like to see a Karo fight.  I dunno, just an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: I_Lew</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12141</link>
		<dc:creator>I_Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean Sherk is a sad little man. I completely agree w/ Sam&#039;s analysis, and cannot wait until BJ beats him into obscurity. I rolled my eyes when they introduced him before the Penn vs Daddy fight. The UFC has become as bad as old Don King by being absolutely SHAMELESS promoters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean Sherk is a sad little man. I completely agree w/ Sam&#8217;s analysis, and cannot wait until BJ beats him into obscurity. I rolled my eyes when they introduced him before the Penn vs Daddy fight. The UFC has become as bad as old Don King by being absolutely SHAMELESS promoters.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Cupitt</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12129</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Cupitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if Davis hasnt earnt the right to face Fitch. He&#039;s earnt it I think more than Gono did and I think Davis/Fitch would be a lot more exciting than Gono/Fitch.

Make that fight happen! Who else is Fitch gonna fight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if Davis hasnt earnt the right to face Fitch. He&#8217;s earnt it I think more than Gono did and I think Davis/Fitch would be a lot more exciting than Gono/Fitch.</p>
<p>Make that fight happen! Who else is Fitch gonna fight?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveXtreme</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12122</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveXtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this grief just for standing up for Joe Daddy a little.  Well lets see what kinda nerve this hits...  Marcus Davis knocking out Gomi 1st minute 1st round.  Make it happen UFC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this grief just for standing up for Joe Daddy a little.  Well lets see what kinda nerve this hits&#8230;  Marcus Davis knocking out Gomi 1st minute 1st round.  Make it happen UFC!</p>
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		<title>By: SteveXtreme</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12117</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveXtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Paul B. has a brain but he can still type words on the screen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Paul B. has a brain but he can still type words on the screen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12092</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Burned by a Girl!!!</description>
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		<title>By: YaImAGirl</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12091</link>
		<dc:creator>YaImAGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SteveXtreme I think you are typing out of hate for BJ.  It was complet control through the whole fight.  Joe was stunned by BJ&#039;s punching power from the start and when Penn getts you down, as you saw, he doesnt let you up.  Also, enough talk about his conditioning.  This drop in weight was the best thing for BJ.  He can go 5 rounds again, the question is &quot;can anyone take him there?&quot;

&quot;Actually BJ had to prop up against Joe Rogan just to remain standing at the end of 1 and a half rounds. So that doens’t hold any water.&quot; SteveXtreme

Watch Penn vs Hughs one and you will see when BJ wins he is so overcome with emotion he has a tough time standing and that fight was 1 min.  So...... your statement &quot;doens&#039;t&quot; hold any water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveXtreme I think you are typing out of hate for BJ.  It was complet control through the whole fight.  Joe was stunned by BJ&#8217;s punching power from the start and when Penn getts you down, as you saw, he doesnt let you up.  Also, enough talk about his conditioning.  This drop in weight was the best thing for BJ.  He can go 5 rounds again, the question is &#8220;can anyone take him there?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually BJ had to prop up against Joe Rogan just to remain standing at the end of 1 and a half rounds. So that doens’t hold any water.&#8221; SteveXtreme</p>
<p>Watch Penn vs Hughs one and you will see when BJ wins he is so overcome with emotion he has a tough time standing and that fight was 1 min.  So&#8230;&#8230; your statement &#8220;doens&#8217;t&#8221; hold any water.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton K</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12075</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus Davis knocks out Kos.  Sweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus Davis knocks out Kos.  Sweet!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Balsom</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12072</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Balsom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think SteveXtreme deserves a computer, but he still has one... bring on Davis/Fitch.  Let&#039;s see how Davis stacks up.  No hurt there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think SteveXtreme deserves a computer, but he still has one&#8230; bring on Davis/Fitch.  Let&#8217;s see how Davis stacks up.  No hurt there.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Morgan</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12065</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Davis deserves Jon Fitch, but he deserves someone like Kos or Diego for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Davis deserves Jon Fitch, but he deserves someone like Kos or Diego for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like Davis vs Koscheck.  Can Davis stop the Kos takedowns? can Kos handle Davis&#039;s power hands?  I think that would be a nice matchup later on in 08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like Davis vs Koscheck.  Can Davis stop the Kos takedowns? can Kos handle Davis&#8217;s power hands?  I think that would be a nice matchup later on in 08.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple things:

First off, anyone who still talks shit about the TUF guys &quot;shaking out badly&quot; not only doesn&#039;t know what&#039;s happening in the UFC but they don&#039;t know what happens in life. If you look at TUF alum, many have had a lot of success and others have simply failed to deliver. The show is a testing ground for prospects. The thing with prospects is some pan out to be serious athletes in their sport and others don&#039;t. Life is not black and white. Not everything or everyone can be lumped into one single category. TUF alumni are all different people and the mere fact that they participated in the reality show to gain more exposure for themselves meaning more money says nothing about their actual ability individually. 

And yes, Marcus Davis is a legit contender. A dude tried betting me in the bar that he was going to lose to Liaudin. I got a free beer. Thanks Marcus. He needs to fight Fitch in March for number one contender status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple things:</p>
<p>First off, anyone who still talks shit about the TUF guys &#8220;shaking out badly&#8221; not only doesn&#8217;t know what&#8217;s happening in the UFC but they don&#8217;t know what happens in life. If you look at TUF alum, many have had a lot of success and others have simply failed to deliver. The show is a testing ground for prospects. The thing with prospects is some pan out to be serious athletes in their sport and others don&#8217;t. Life is not black and white. Not everything or everyone can be lumped into one single category. TUF alumni are all different people and the mere fact that they participated in the reality show to gain more exposure for themselves meaning more money says nothing about their actual ability individually. </p>
<p>And yes, Marcus Davis is a legit contender. A dude tried betting me in the bar that he was going to lose to Liaudin. I got a free beer. Thanks Marcus. He needs to fight Fitch in March for number one contender status.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Morgan</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12059</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He didn&#039;t have Joe hurt when he dropped him with an uppercut at the beginning of the fight? What offense did Joe mount to make you think that he could win 5 out of ten times? There wasn&#039;t a scratch on BJ anywhere. I would urge you to watch the fight a second time if you haven&#039;t already. Joe Stevenson did nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn&#8217;t have Joe hurt when he dropped him with an uppercut at the beginning of the fight? What offense did Joe mount to make you think that he could win 5 out of ten times? There wasn&#8217;t a scratch on BJ anywhere. I would urge you to watch the fight a second time if you haven&#8217;t already. Joe Stevenson did nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveXtreme</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12057</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveXtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually BJ had to prop up against Joe Rogan just to remain standing at the end of 1 and a half rounds.  So that doens&#039;t hold any water.  Stevenson was upset that he lost.  He may have been on the ground crying, but i give him more credit than that.  I only think BJ could beat him 5 out of 10 times.  And getting owned and getting hurt are 2 different things.  BJ never hurt Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually BJ had to prop up against Joe Rogan just to remain standing at the end of 1 and a half rounds.  So that doens&#8217;t hold any water.  Stevenson was upset that he lost.  He may have been on the ground crying, but i give him more credit than that.  I only think BJ could beat him 5 out of 10 times.  And getting owned and getting hurt are 2 different things.  BJ never hurt Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Balsom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Balsom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord, I thought you were gonna start talking about meteoric rises and game opponents... you should join the UFC commentary team.



clownin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, I thought you were gonna start talking about meteoric rises and game opponents&#8230; you should join the UFC commentary team.</p>
<p>clownin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Morgan</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/20/ufc-80-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12053</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stevenson was getting owned, cut or no cut.&lt;/p&gt; And who was breathing heavier at the end of the fight? Stevenson. B.J. had Joe Daddy&#039;s number and would probably have it 9 times out of 10.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stevenson was getting owned, cut or no cut.</p>
<p> And who was breathing heavier at the end of the fight? Stevenson. B.J. had Joe Daddy&#8217;s number and would probably have it 9 times out of 10.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveXtreme</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveXtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with the evaluation of Penn - Stevenson.  Most of it was dead on.  Penn was sharper in all areas, but i don&#039;t think he would have won the fight if it wasn&#039;t for the cut.  He was obviously better at stand up, but on the ground he wasn&#039;t doing any damage to Stevenson other than the cut.  I think Stevenson would have been able to do what most said, endure rounds 1 and 2 then control 3, 4, and 5 and win via decision.  I don&#039;t wanna take away from BJ&#039;s victory or his performance because it was spot on, but it can&#039;t be said for sure that Joe would have lost even if the cut wasn&#039;t opened.

Oh and i was off of Groves bandwagon after he lost to Cote.  I picked Rivera to win and even made a little money off of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the evaluation of Penn &#8211; Stevenson.  Most of it was dead on.  Penn was sharper in all areas, but i don&#8217;t think he would have won the fight if it wasn&#8217;t for the cut.  He was obviously better at stand up, but on the ground he wasn&#8217;t doing any damage to Stevenson other than the cut.  I think Stevenson would have been able to do what most said, endure rounds 1 and 2 then control 3, 4, and 5 and win via decision.  I don&#8217;t wanna take away from BJ&#8217;s victory or his performance because it was spot on, but it can&#8217;t be said for sure that Joe would have lost even if the cut wasn&#8217;t opened.</p>
<p>Oh and i was off of Groves bandwagon after he lost to Cote.  I picked Rivera to win and even made a little money off of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure Grove was tailor-made to beat Cote or Rivera... Grove seems to do better against pure grapplers than strikers.  Rivera made Grove look uncharacteristically weak.  Grove&#039;s stand up needs some serious work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Grove was tailor-made to beat Cote or Rivera&#8230; Grove seems to do better against pure grapplers than strikers.  Rivera made Grove look uncharacteristically weak.  Grove&#8217;s stand up needs some serious work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And i&#039;m officially of the Grove bandwagon. He looked awful last night. Did anyone else see that Shawn Tompkins was the one smacking him in the beginning. Tompkins seems to think that he&#039;s this god of a striking teacher and completely neglects the ground game. I think they need to ditch that guy, watch some of his MMA fights and you&#039;ll understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And i&#8217;m officially of the Grove bandwagon. He looked awful last night. Did anyone else see that Shawn Tompkins was the one smacking him in the beginning. Tompkins seems to think that he&#8217;s this god of a striking teacher and completely neglects the ground game. I think they need to ditch that guy, watch some of his MMA fights and you&#8217;ll understand.</p>
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