Comments on: Nevada Gets Tougher on Steroids http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Roan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12875 Roan Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:13:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12875 An exercise in futility. Steroids and other performance enhancing drugs are here to stay. The labs will always be playing catch-up with the athletes and the scientists who help them. They still do not even have a test for hGH or IGF. An exercise in futility. Steroids and other performance enhancing drugs are here to stay. The labs will always be playing catch-up with the athletes and the scientists who help them.

They still do not even have a test for hGH or IGF.

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]]> By: Logan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12839 Logan Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:14:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12839 What are you voting for? What are you voting for?

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]]> By: Jay K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12838 Jay K. Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:59:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12838 Another vote for Slakdawg. Thank you for your service. Jay K. Another vote for Slakdawg.

Thank you for your service.

Jay K.

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]]> By: Logan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12825 Logan Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:18:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12825 I don't see anyone arguing that steroids shouldn't be tested for and tested for more often, so I'm not sure why Slakdawg (great name) is thinking people want sympathy. I don’t see anyone arguing that steroids shouldn’t be tested for and tested for more often, so I’m not sure why Slakdawg (great name) is thinking people want sympathy.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12818 mike wolfe Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:32:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12818 It's ILLEGAL, dude. Whether it ought to be is a different question. How could a state athletic commission turn a blind eye to something that's illegal? States are in the law enforcement business, and they can't pick and choose. It’s ILLEGAL, dude. Whether it ought to be is a different question. How could a state athletic commission turn a blind eye to something that’s illegal? States are in the law enforcement business, and they can’t pick and choose.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12811 HexRei Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:22:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12811 Yeah, because weed is such a performance enhancer... Yeah, because weed is such a performance enhancer…

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12805 mike wolfe Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:07:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12805 I agree 100%, Slakdawg. And by the way, thanks for your service. I agree 100%, Slakdawg. And by the way, thanks for your service.

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]]> By: Slakdawg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12803 Slakdawg Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:02:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12803 I have no sympathy for these guys getting tested. I'm in the military and I get tested when I'm told to, whether it's random or otherwise. If the commander says "go piss in a cup" I do it. I have no choice in the matter, nor should I. I dont care if the NSAC's motives are transparent or completely vague. I want a clean sport where the outcome is determined by the fighter's skill and heart, not what they have injected into their bodies. I have no sympathy for these guys getting tested. I’m in the military and I get tested when I’m told to, whether it’s random or otherwise. If the commander says “go piss in a cup” I do it. I have no choice in the matter, nor should I.

I dont care if the NSAC’s motives are transparent or completely vague. I want a clean sport where the outcome is determined by the fighter’s skill and heart, not what they have injected into their bodies.

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]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12797 Ivan Trembow Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:00:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12797 Still a lot of questions that need to be answered Still a lot of questions that need to be answered

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]]> By: Logan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12794 Logan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:35:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12794 I'd rather have both. I’d rather have both.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12787 mike wolfe Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:07:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12787 Who cares whether it's steroids or "recreational drugs"? Neither are legal, and many employers require urinalysis as part of the hiring process. I can't see why MMA fighters should be treated any differently. Those who enjoy weed or whatever may have to choose between that and pro fighting, but other people have to make those choices every day, too. Who cares whether it’s steroids or “recreational drugs”? Neither are legal, and many employers require urinalysis as part of the hiring process. I can’t see why MMA fighters should be treated any differently. Those who enjoy weed or whatever may have to choose between that and pro fighting, but other people have to make those choices every day, too.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12780 Evan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:23:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12780 "wouldn’t you have to at least be clean for those months?" I have no idea Zack. But I know the fact that MLB players can know exactly at times when they will be tested is one issue why congress has such a problem with them right now. Also why steroids will be a focal point I am taking this as an all encompassing drug policy. After all, how many failed tests were for recreational drugs? “wouldn’t you have to at least be clean for those months?”

I have no idea Zack. But I know the fact that MLB players can know exactly at times when they will be tested is one issue why congress has such a problem with them right now.

Also why steroids will be a focal point I am taking this as an all encompassing drug policy. After all, how many failed tests were for recreational drugs?

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]]> By: Logan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12779 Logan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:17:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12779 Steroids aren't a problem for me but wouldn't they also be testing for weed? Steroids aren’t a problem for me but wouldn’t they also be testing for weed?

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12777 Zack Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:14:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12777 Maybe your right, as I'm not up on how long steroids are in your system. But if you had to be clean 2-3 months out from a fight (I'm guessing this is the average time from events that fighters sign bout agreements), and you knew you were going to be tested after the fight, wouldn't you have to at least be clean for those months? Maybe your right, as I’m not up on how long steroids are in your system. But if you had to be clean 2-3 months out from a fight (I’m guessing this is the average time from events that fighters sign bout agreements), and you knew you were going to be tested after the fight, wouldn’t you have to at least be clean for those months?

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12775 Evan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:06:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12775 "What they should probably do is make the fighters take a mandatory test within 2 weeks of signing a bout agreement." The everyone knows exactly when to cycle and mask drug use. “What they should probably do is make the fighters take a mandatory test within 2 weeks of signing a bout agreement.”

The everyone knows exactly when to cycle and mask drug use.

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12774 Zack Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:02:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12774 What they should probably do is make the fighters take a mandatory test within 2 weeks of signing a bout agreement. What they should probably do is make the fighters take a mandatory test within 2 weeks of signing a bout agreement.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12773 Evan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:49:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12773 I would also like to know where they are going to get the funds to execute this new policy. I would also like to know where they are going to get the funds to execute this new policy.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12772 Evan Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:33:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12772 "“some indication that a particular fighter may be using a prohibited substance” is?" Intentionally left vague to leave them as much leeway to handle the situation as they see fit. ““some indication that a particular fighter may be using a prohibited substance” is?”

Intentionally left vague to leave them as much leeway to handle the situation as they see fit.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12769 Sam Cupitt Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:19:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12769 Yeah they are giving themselves a lot of grey to work with as opposed to black and white guidelines. It seems like with (ii) that fighters with an overly muscular physique may be targeted, even if they have no prior history. Yeah they are giving themselves a lot of grey to work with as opposed to black and white guidelines.

It seems like with (ii) that fighters with an overly muscular physique may be targeted, even if they have no prior history.

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]]> By: Mike MacLeod http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-12767 Mike MacLeod Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:43:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/27/nevada-gets-tougher-on-steroids/#comment-12767 I think this is a proactive step and I agree with testing via: (i) a random selection; and (iii) the fact that a fighter has previously tested positive for using a prohibited substance. But I do have a problem with: (ii) some indication that a particular fighter may be using a prohibited substance; or Just what are these "indications"? To me it sounds like they are giving themselves carte blanche to test anyone at any time. One might ask "If fighters aren't breaking the rules, then why should they worry about getting tested?" and I understand that argument. But if they are going to target specific individuals, I think the commission should be transparent about what their criteria is that would flag someone as a potential user. I think this is a proactive step and I agree with testing via:

(i) a random selection;
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(iii) the fact that a fighter has previously tested positive for using a prohibited substance.

But I do have a problem with:
(ii) some indication that a particular fighter may be using a prohibited substance; or

Just what are these “indications”? To me it sounds like they are giving themselves carte blanche to test anyone at any time.

One might ask “If fighters aren’t breaking the rules, then why should they worry about getting tested?” and I understand that argument. But if they are going to target specific individuals, I think the commission should be transparent about what their criteria is that would flag someone as a potential user.

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