Comments on: Pain Poll: The Staff of 5 Oz. Breaks Down UFC 81 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13766 Sam Cupitt Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:32:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13766 Nogueira via Submission in round 2-5. Mir via Submission in round 1 ZING. Nogueira via Submission in round 2-5.
Mir via Submission in round 1

ZING.

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]]> By: glock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13642 glock Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:25:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13642 I'm goin with Lesner and Sylvia. I've heard all about about how great Mir WAS... But what I've seen thus far leaves me yawning. Lesner may well be the next big thing, but watching the press clip earlier was PAINFUL. Christ the guy's been on TV for years!! I hope he did have a bad case of roadburn because if he didn't, he better start wearing his headgear in practice. If Mir can't get ahold of something early while Les is still dry, then he's gonna be in for a beating. I look for Mir to try to jump onboard Les's back while standing or coming off the fence for an rnc . This fight has all the potential of ending up with 2 guys fighting NOT TO LOSE. That'll suck. As for Silva, every time I write the guy off, he shows me something that I didn;t expect from him and and surprises me so I'm gonna go with him this time. I’m goin with Lesner and Sylvia.
I’ve heard all about about how great Mir WAS… But what I’ve seen thus
far leaves me yawning.
Lesner may well be the next big thing, but watching the press clip earlier was PAINFUL. Christ the guy’s been on TV for years!! I hope he did have a bad case of roadburn because if he didn’t, he better start wearing his headgear in practice.
If Mir can’t get ahold of something early while Les is still dry, then he’s gonna be in for a beating. I look for Mir to try to jump onboard Les’s back while standing or coming off the fence for an rnc .
This fight has all the potential of ending up with 2 guys fighting NOT TO LOSE. That’ll suck.

As for Silva, every time I write the guy off, he shows me something that I didn;t expect from him and and surprises me so I’m gonna go with him this time.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13544 Sam Caplan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:48:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13544 #29, thanks for cutting the quote and taking it out of context. Here's the quote, not chopped up: "I actually think Antoni Hardonk is a bigger threat to Lesnar than Mir. I’m not saying Hardonk is better than Mir, simply that the matchup poses more problems. Hardonk is a good striker and if Lesnar can’t get someone like that off their feet, I don’t see him performing well at this stage of his career." Operative phrase: matchup that poses more problems. Thanks for playing. #29, thanks for cutting the quote and taking it out of context. Here’s the quote, not chopped up:

“I actually think Antoni Hardonk is a bigger threat to Lesnar than Mir. I’m not saying Hardonk is better than Mir, simply that the matchup poses more problems. Hardonk is a good striker and if Lesnar can’t get someone like that off their feet, I don’t see him performing well at this stage of his career.”

Operative phrase: matchup that poses more problems.

Thanks for playing.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13540 Evan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:10:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13540 On countdown to UFC 81 Mir was really struggling with his knee. When they showed him trying to stand in the cage it looked pretty bad. On countdown to UFC 81 Mir was really struggling with his knee. When they showed him trying to stand in the cage it looked pretty bad.

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]]> By: Rearnkdchoke78 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13537 Rearnkdchoke78 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:10:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13537 Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir- Sam Caplan says: "I actually think Antoni Hardonk is a bigger threat to Lesnar than Mir....Hardonk is a good striker and if Lesnar can’t get someone like that off their feet, I don’t see him performing well at this stage of his career." Are you kidding me Sam? - Evidentally you didn't watch the Hardonk vs. McCully fight at UFN. McCully took Hardonk down at will and Gnd and Pnd Hardonk to victory. Lesnar would have no problem taking Hardonk down, Hardonk is not a bigger threat than Mir. Of the Heavyweight strikers out there that you could use, Andre Arlovski or Nogueira come to mind. Guys like Kongo and Hardonk are good strikers that have terrible take down defense and have little to no jits credability. Did you watch Mir vs. Hardonk? Mir was a beast, Looked like the Mir of old...which on Saturday you'll see a Frank Mir in his Prime. Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir-

Sam Caplan says: “I actually think Antoni Hardonk is a bigger threat to Lesnar than Mir….Hardonk is a good striker and if Lesnar can’t get someone like that off their feet, I don’t see him performing well at this stage of his career.”

Are you kidding me Sam? – Evidentally you didn’t watch the Hardonk vs. McCully fight at UFN. McCully took Hardonk down at will and Gnd and Pnd Hardonk to victory. Lesnar would have no problem taking Hardonk down, Hardonk is not a bigger threat than Mir. Of the Heavyweight strikers out there that you could use, Andre Arlovski or Nogueira come to mind. Guys like Kongo and Hardonk are good strikers that have terrible take down defense and have little to no jits credability.

Did you watch Mir vs. Hardonk? Mir was a beast, Looked like the Mir of old…which on Saturday you’ll see a Frank Mir in his Prime.

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]]> By: Grape Knee High http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13532 Grape Knee High Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:05:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13532 Rich, you need to look at the quality of Frank Myrrh's wins (and losses) when evaluating his career. His most notable win against an elite opponent is Tim Sylvia. And as you admitted, that was just as much Sylvia's incompetence as much as Mir's submission skill. Who else has he beaten of note? Here's a hint: NO ONE. His next best win was Pete Williams. Now let that sink in for a second. Pete friggin' Williams is Mir's second most impressive win. A guy who was an up-and-comer in 1998 and was a mediocre journeyman by the time Mir beat him in 2002. Not only that, he was a journeyman in an era where fighters still did not cross-train. Williams wouldn't even make it to TUF today. Then consider his loss to another journeyman of the "no cross-training" era: Ian Freeman. Freeman was a one-dimensional brawler who for his most recent fight fought at 205. This guy didn't just beat Mir. He DESTROYED him. It was laugher. And this was in Mir's "prime". Rich, you need to look at the quality of Frank Myrrh’s wins (and losses) when evaluating his career.

His most notable win against an elite opponent is Tim Sylvia. And as you admitted, that was just as much Sylvia’s incompetence as much as Mir’s submission skill. Who else has he beaten of note? Here’s a hint: NO ONE.

His next best win was Pete Williams. Now let that sink in for a second. Pete friggin’ Williams is Mir’s second most impressive win. A guy who was an up-and-comer in 1998 and was a mediocre journeyman by the time Mir beat him in 2002. Not only that, he was a journeyman in an era where fighters still did not cross-train. Williams wouldn’t even make it to TUF today.

Then consider his loss to another journeyman of the “no cross-training” era: Ian Freeman. Freeman was a one-dimensional brawler who for his most recent fight fought at 205. This guy didn’t just beat Mir. He DESTROYED him. It was laugher. And this was in Mir’s “prime”.

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]]> By: Accomando http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13524 Accomando Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:37:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13524 Great picks you guys. I like the differing opinions as opposed to everyone picking the same fighters to win. That's what picks are supposed to do, make you think of all the possibilities a fight could end, expecially with 7 different guys picking the fights. I have to concure with a couple of thoughts; I think Sylvia wins a boring decision using his swamp-thing jab and I think Lesnar will be able to over-power Mir. I mean, f'ing Pe De Pano over-powered Mir, he has no chance against Lesnar's strength. Great picks you guys.

I like the differing opinions as opposed to everyone picking the same fighters to win. That’s what picks are supposed to do, make you think of all the possibilities a fight could end, expecially with 7 different guys picking the fights.

I have to concure with a couple of thoughts; I think Sylvia wins a boring decision using his swamp-thing jab and I think Lesnar will be able to over-power Mir. I mean, f’ing Pe De Pano over-powered Mir, he has no chance against Lesnar’s strength.

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13495 Rich Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:17:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13495 i figured. i figured.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13494 Sam Cupitt Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:04:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13494 Didn't mean to say Belcher the second time round. Meant to say Yundt... Didn’t mean to say Belcher the second time round. Meant to say Yundt…

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13489 Rich Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:01:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13489 i originally had belcher to win though. i originally had belcher to win though.

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13488 Rich Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:01:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13488 Hard Ass, haven't you posted that on another article?? and Cupitt, i think AA would have beaten Mir also... but who knows how things would have turned out. . . AA might not have gotten a title shot soo fast if Mir didn't get taken out of the HW scene. . oh, and you should know Belcher's out now. . . rob yundt has stepped in to fight almeida, and i have almeida sub'ing yundt in the 1st. Hard Ass,

haven’t you posted that on another article??

and Cupitt,
i think AA would have beaten Mir also… but who knows how things would have turned out. . . AA might not have gotten a title shot soo fast if Mir didn’t get taken out of the HW scene. .

oh, and you should know Belcher’s out now. . . rob yundt has stepped in to fight almeida, and i have almeida sub’ing yundt in the 1st.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13481 Sam Cupitt Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:38:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13481 I beg to differ on that Rich. I think Arlovski would have had his dirty dirty way with him. Just for the record I originally had Belcher over Almeida but now I'm gonna take Almeida over Belcher in round 2 via submission. Oh and also... CAPLAN... how dare you say Hardonk would be more of a challenge for Lesnar than Mir! Don't you know you just have to think takedown with Antoni Hardonk and he falls over? From there you can just make him ur bitch (Unless you're Wes Simms) I beg to differ on that Rich. I think Arlovski would have had his dirty dirty way with him.

Just for the record I originally had Belcher over Almeida but now I’m gonna take Almeida over Belcher in round 2 via submission.

Oh and also… CAPLAN… how dare you say Hardonk would be more of a challenge for Lesnar than Mir! Don’t you know you just have to think takedown with Antoni Hardonk and he falls over? From there you can just make him ur bitch (Unless you’re Wes Simms)

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]]> By: Hard Ass http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13480 Hard Ass Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:38:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13480 Are you kiding me? Tim Sylvia may be the worst fighter (not the best!) He is god awful!! Didn’t he just lose to 44 year old who really is a 205 fighter?? He’s an uncordinated freak who fights like he has full blown aids. The only way Nogueria loses is if he contracts hiv during the fight. Sylvia wouldn’t last 3 mins in a ring with Fedor and about 20 ther fighters for that matter. Everyone stop player haten Fedor and give him credit for being the greatst alive. Who can beat Fedor right now……Sylvia (hell no) Nageria (obviousy not) Cro cop (try again) Lesner (give me a break.) Fedor hasn’t fought anyone? The question is who is even out there for him to fight….. Are you kiding me? Tim Sylvia may be the worst fighter (not the best!) He is god awful!! Didn’t he just lose to 44 year old who really is a 205 fighter?? He’s an uncordinated freak who fights like he has full blown aids. The only way Nogueria loses is if he contracts hiv during the fight. Sylvia wouldn’t last 3 mins in a ring with Fedor and about 20 ther fighters for that matter. Everyone stop player haten Fedor and give him credit for being the greatst alive. Who can beat Fedor right now……Sylvia (hell no) Nageria (obviousy not) Cro cop (try again) Lesner (give me a break.) Fedor hasn’t fought anyone? The question is who is even out there for him to fight…..

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13477 Rich Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:38:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13477 Grape Knee... you're logic... is just... it doesn't make sense. u say franks never done anything impressive, yet almost all of his wins are sub's within the first minute, maybe two... why the hell do people only mention the arm bar on sylvia... that was his EASIEST win...it's not like THAT was Mir's 'big' accomplishment... sylvia's stupid ass never should have grabbed the leg and taken him down.. i don't care if u pick Lesnar to win.. because it COULD happen.. but when u say Frank Mir's not good and never has been... that's just ludicrous.. when u look at the HW division a few years ago, and the way Mir was fighting, you can't say he wouldn't have kept that title for a while, if it weren't for the accident. Grape Knee… you’re logic… is just… it doesn’t make sense.

u say franks never done anything impressive, yet almost all of his wins are sub’s within the first minute, maybe two… why the hell do people only mention the arm bar on sylvia… that was his EASIEST win…it’s not like THAT was Mir’s ‘big’ accomplishment… sylvia’s stupid ass never should have grabbed the leg and taken him down..

i don’t care if u pick Lesnar to win.. because it COULD happen.. but when u say Frank Mir’s not good and never has been… that’s just ludicrous..

when u look at the HW division a few years ago, and the way Mir was fighting, you can’t say he wouldn’t have kept that title for a while, if it weren’t for the accident.

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]]> By: TD http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13461 TD Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:49:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13461 Mir-Lesnar goes like this: Mir shows better stand-up, Lesnar with the takedown, Mir goes for a submission, Lesnar powers out and they're back up to standing. Repeat until one of them gasses out. Mir-Lesnar goes like this: Mir shows better stand-up, Lesnar with the takedown, Mir goes for a submission, Lesnar powers out and they’re back up to standing. Repeat until one of them gasses out.

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]]> By: Grape Knee High http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13459 Grape Knee High Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:44:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13459 Sure, the smart money is on Lesnar. Mir has shown very little in his entire career, even pre-accident, besides armbarring Tim Sylvia. Can he do the same to Lesnar? Sure, I don't see why not. But assuming Lesnar is not a complete moron -- and I realize that maybe I am putting too much faith in Lesnar here -- he'll have at least trained heavily in armbar defense. That said, as shown by Lesnar against Kim, even Brock's armpunches are thrown with full force. Mir's problem in this fight is that he WILL have to take a few of these punches in order to get his submission. Mir WILL be on his back and taking these punches in order for him to get his armbar. Will he be able to secure it without folding like a lawn chair? I wouldn't take that bet. Sure, the smart money is on Lesnar.

Mir has shown very little in his entire career, even pre-accident, besides armbarring Tim Sylvia. Can he do the same to Lesnar? Sure, I don’t see why not. But assuming Lesnar is not a complete moron — and I realize that maybe I am putting too much faith in Lesnar here — he’ll have at least trained heavily in armbar defense.

That said, as shown by Lesnar against Kim, even Brock’s armpunches are thrown with full force. Mir’s problem in this fight is that he WILL have to take a few of these punches in order to get his submission. Mir WILL be on his back and taking these punches in order for him to get his armbar. Will he be able to secure it without folding like a lawn chair? I wouldn’t take that bet.

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]]> By: CWC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13458 CWC Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:36:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13458 Nog's damage he has sustained through his career is to blame for getting kicked in the head? What kind of logic is that? He got caught, plain and simple. Who in the world would think Herring would throw that? Nog’s damage he has sustained through his career is to blame for getting kicked in the head? What kind of logic is that? He got caught, plain and simple. Who in the world would think Herring would throw that?

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]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13456 Derek B. Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:33:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13456 Revise...I just don't respect the guy. Revise…I just don’t respect the guy.

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]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13454 Derek B. Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:31:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13454 Lesnar looks like a mix between quasi moto & one of those monster guys from the hills have eyes. I just respect the guy after hearing all his trash talk. He just doesn't seem like a very respectful and modest fighter. I say if he wins they let him fight Cro Cop. Lesnar looks like a mix between quasi moto & one of those monster guys from the hills have eyes.

I just respect the guy after hearing all his trash talk. He just doesn’t seem like a very respectful and modest fighter.

I say if he wins they let him fight Cro Cop.

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/comment-page-1/#comment-13453 Rich Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:18:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/31/pain-poll-the-staff-of-5-oz-breaks-down-ufc-81/#comment-13453 Grape Knee, i couldn't read you're comment on the Lesnar/Mir fight without laughing. you're serious? Grape Knee,
i couldn’t read you’re comment on the Lesnar/Mir fight without laughing.

you’re serious?

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