Comments on: Chuck Liddell’s next opponent “possibly Mauricio ‘Shogun’ Rua” http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:04:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: allen http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-59585 allen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:32:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-59585 i want to see keth jardin vschuck liddl i want to see keth jardin vschuck liddl

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]]> By: Canuckle Sandwich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13917 Canuckle Sandwich Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:47:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13917 "the U.S pretty much started mma with ultimate fighting championship in 1993." huh? ummm....huh? wha? “the U.S pretty much started mma with ultimate fighting championship in 1993.”

huh? ummm….huh? wha?

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13906 Matt Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:46:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13906 the U.S pretty much started mma with ultimate fighting championship in 1993. In France and Norway its still illegal..Even here its still illegal in some states and in some only amateur mma. It may be near worldwide but its just begun to show how big it can be. Thats why Dana wants to promote it so much. A good example he gave was "You think about the NFL, right? There's nothing bigger in the United States than the NFL -- it's huge. I don't care if you didn't watch one football game all season, everybody watches the Super Bowl. But, they can't break through into Europe -- they can't break into Europe -- and it's because nobody plays football here. Nobody cares."-DANA WHITE As for the hype. What does it matter if it comes at the cost of good fighters getting split up by going to different weight classes. Just because there is a title fight doesn't necesarly mean that their is tons of hype behind it. Most of the time the best fights are non title fights because people have such high expectations for title fights.Using your example you said that kayro is 4th on the list for a title shot and you're probably right. imo i don't think kayro could win the belt right now at 170(maybie against Serra but not st Pierre now that hes back.). But he shouldn't get to leave and go to a "177" lb weight class just because he could get it there or because he could get a faster opportunity to get a title shot there. He should have to work at it. Keep the weight classes stacked, it just means better fights:)Think about it if Randy couture decided to go to a "215" lb weight class we might have never seen him fight Chuck 3 times or at all. the U.S pretty much started mma with ultimate fighting championship in 1993. In France and Norway its still illegal..Even here its still illegal in some states and in some only amateur mma. It may be near worldwide but its just begun to show how big it can be. Thats why Dana wants to promote it so much. A good example he gave was “You think about the NFL, right? There’s nothing bigger in the United States than the NFL — it’s huge. I don’t care if you didn’t watch one football game all season, everybody watches the Super Bowl. But, they can’t break through into Europe — they can’t break into Europe — and it’s because nobody plays football here. Nobody cares.”-DANA WHITE

As for the hype. What does it matter if it comes at the cost of good fighters getting split up by going to different weight classes. Just because there is a title fight doesn’t necesarly mean that their is tons of hype behind it. Most of the time the best fights are non title fights because people have such high expectations for title fights.Using your example you said that kayro is 4th on the list for a title shot and you’re probably right. imo i don’t think kayro could win the belt right now at 170(maybie against Serra but not st Pierre now that hes back.). But he shouldn’t get to leave and go to a “177″ lb weight class just because he could get it there or because he could get a faster opportunity to get a title shot there. He should have to work at it. Keep the weight classes stacked, it just means better fights:)Think about it if Randy couture decided to go to a “215″ lb weight class we might have never seen him fight Chuck 3 times or at all.

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]]> By: el boxeo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13711 el boxeo Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:26:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13711 to matt... the sport is already world wide... ufc might not be but mma is pretty deep in asia.... its the us where its just growing... boxing in the uk and europe is pretty big and will always trounce mma imo... more weight divisons mean more fights and hype....key word is hype.... if in boxing the 147 champ fights a former 154 champ.. there is a sense of hype because they were at one time "champs" i know its bullshit but it adds to the promotion... now these weight divisons are so far a part it ends up being a virtural log jam to weed anything out... you dont think that if the log jam at 170 right now could be made better if you created a 177 divsion and had a champ there... then there would be more fights , two champs , and more HYPE..... instead of what it is now.... i guy like karo who is now like 4th on the wish list or jon fitch who hopefully will get a deserved title shot COULD CONCIEVABLY GO GET A "177" LB BELT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT ADDS HYPE AND THAT 170 /177 SUPER FIGHT IS A REALTY... i know its all makebelive and semantics cause its pretty much the same thing... but thats how you would add hype.. to matt…

the sport is already world wide… ufc might not be but mma is pretty deep in asia…. its the us where its just growing…

boxing in the uk and europe is pretty big and will always trounce mma imo…

more weight divisons mean more fights and hype….key word is hype…. if in boxing the 147 champ fights a former 154 champ.. there is a sense of hype because they were at one time “champs” i know its bullshit but it adds to the promotion… now these weight divisons are so far a part it ends up being a virtural log jam to weed anything out…

you dont think that if the log jam at 170 right now could be made better if you created a 177 divsion and had a champ there… then there would be more fights , two champs , and more HYPE….. instead of what it is now….

i guy like karo who is now like 4th on the wish list or jon fitch who hopefully will get a deserved title shot COULD CONCIEVABLY GO GET A “177″ LB BELT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT ADDS HYPE AND THAT 170 /177 SUPER FIGHT IS A REALTY… i know its all makebelive and semantics cause its pretty much the same thing… but thats how you would add hype..

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13706 Matt Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:13:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13706 thats ridiculous if you really think that the ufc or any other mma orginization should have more weight classes.You start having more weight classes then all the good fighters get split up and the good matches will be gone. lets say that the ufc has the top ten light heavy weight fighters in the world. If you add a weight class at 215 then maybie 5 of the top lhw leave to that weight division and it could ruin chances for really food fights. el boxeo the reason Dana White doesn't do that is because this ISN'T boxing. He has stated several times boxing orginizations dont spend enough money to see it grow. By going to other countries mma is starting to get recognized as a legitimate sport. "I'm always yapping about the boxing promoters and how they don't spend the money to build their sport and secure the future of the sport, for this sport to grow, we need to move out to Europe.”-DANA WHITE. thats ridiculous if you really think that the ufc or any other mma orginization should have more weight classes.You start having more weight classes then all the good fighters get split up and the good matches will be gone. lets say that the ufc has the top ten light heavy weight fighters in the world. If you add a weight class at 215 then maybie 5 of the top lhw leave to that weight division and it could ruin chances for really food fights.

el boxeo the reason Dana White doesn’t do that is because this ISN’T boxing. He has stated several times boxing orginizations dont spend enough money to see it grow. By going to other countries mma is starting to get recognized as a legitimate sport. “I’m always yapping about the boxing promoters and how they don’t spend the money to build their sport and secure the future of the sport, for this sport to grow, we need to move out to Europe.”-DANA WHITE.

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]]> By: el boxeo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13545 el boxeo Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:11:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13545 props to chuck for lobbying to have this fight in vegas rather than england... the ufc is sure trying to beat this thing to ground with regards to their expansion into england... i just dont get it... they have sellout shows but lose money ....wtf... not exactly to smart.... mabey like once a year it would make sense but they seem to be over there more than that... does dana not realize that the uk doesnt really buy ppv... isnt everything free over there (exception hatton v. mayweather) i get most of my pirated ppv shows through sopcast and they are pretty much always free feeds from the uk... wonder what the end game is here... as far as the weght classes.. they will never go to more than what they have...dana blasted elite xc for trying to add more divsions.. imo the more division the better.... for me it would mean more "champions" more room for better matchups... or at least promtional wise... just like boxing... a fighter making 170 is unlikley to be challengeing 185lb... too often.. i might occasionally happen but it takes a speical fighter... where as if you had 170lb divsion and lets say a 177lb divsion it would be more coheisive.. imo.... im promotional wise you could have the 170 champ vs. 177lb champ.. it adds greater promotion to it... it would add more hype... just like boxing.... i mean come on .. there isnt that much diffrence between 147 welter vs. 154 super welter diviosn... and if you have those two divisions champs fighting each other it always adds that extra aura of "unificaitions" that would lead to greater hype..imo.... im sure thats why they added all those weight classes in boxing... before i guess in the old days boxing weight divisons were big jumps in weight... but the ufc will never do it... why??? cause more divisoins means more champs which will eventually mean more money that the fighters will demand... if your a champ at a made up weight like 177 and they hand you a belt.. WELL YOUR GONNA DEMAND CHAMP MONEY... which will create all sorts of problems for those tightwads at the ufc... instead of paying their fighters more theyd rather blow money into the uk expansion which ppv they will never see back and they are selling out arenas but still losing money.... props to chuck for lobbying to have this fight in vegas rather than england…

the ufc is sure trying to beat this thing to ground with regards to their expansion into england… i just dont get it… they have sellout shows but lose money ….wtf… not exactly to smart….

mabey like once a year it would make sense but they seem to be over there more than that…

does dana not realize that the uk doesnt really buy ppv… isnt everything free over there (exception hatton v. mayweather)

i get most of my pirated ppv shows through sopcast and they are pretty much always free feeds from the uk…

wonder what the end game is here…

as far as the weght classes.. they will never go to more than what they have…dana blasted elite xc for trying to add more divsions..

imo the more division the better…. for me it would mean more “champions” more room for better matchups… or at least promtional wise… just like boxing…

a fighter making 170 is unlikley to be challengeing 185lb… too often.. i might occasionally happen but it takes a speical fighter… where as if you had 170lb divsion and lets say a 177lb divsion it would be more coheisive.. imo….

im promotional wise you could have the 170 champ vs. 177lb champ.. it adds greater promotion to it… it would add more hype… just like boxing…. i mean come on .. there isnt that much diffrence between 147 welter vs. 154 super welter diviosn…

and if you have those two divisions champs fighting each other it always adds that extra aura of “unificaitions” that would lead to greater hype..imo….

im sure thats why they added all those weight classes in boxing… before i guess in the old days boxing weight divisons were big jumps in weight…

but the ufc will never do it… why??? cause more divisoins means more champs which will eventually mean more money that the fighters will demand… if your a champ at a made up weight like 177 and they hand you a belt.. WELL YOUR GONNA DEMAND CHAMP MONEY… which will create all sorts of problems for those tightwads at the ufc…

instead of paying their fighters more theyd rather blow money into the uk expansion which ppv they will never see back and they are selling out arenas but still losing money….

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]]> By: Sergio http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13543 Sergio Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:37:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13543 I love this match-up. FUCKING LOVE IT. I hate all the talk about giving Shogun a warm-up fight and Gabber hit the nail on the head. UFC has 7-9 of the top 10 205ers according to just about every major MMA site. To not throw together the fights fans want to see just to build someone up at this point is insane. Three years ago when Chuck was steamrolling through everyone the UFC had to offer, I could understand that. But with Rampage, Forrest, Silva, Shogun, Ortiz, Machida, Rashad, Thiago etc., there is hardly an excuse for non-top 10 match-ups. I love this match-up.

FUCKING LOVE IT.

I hate all the talk about giving Shogun a warm-up fight and Gabber hit the nail on the head.

UFC has 7-9 of the top 10 205ers according to just about every major MMA site. To not throw together the fights fans want to see just to build someone up at this point is insane.

Three years ago when Chuck was steamrolling through everyone the UFC had to offer, I could understand that.

But with Rampage, Forrest, Silva, Shogun, Ortiz, Machida, Rashad, Thiago etc., there is hardly an excuse for non-top 10 match-ups.

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13541 Rich Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13541 gabber, i don't think Rua took Griffon too lightly. he just gassed. gabber,
i don’t think Rua took Griffon too lightly.

he just gassed.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13535 Evan Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:32:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13535 hah...too funny. hah…too funny.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/comment-page-1/#comment-13534 Sam Cupitt Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:26:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/01/chuck-liddells-next-opponent-possibly-mauricio-shogun-rua/#comment-13534 Maybe Chuck had written it on his hand and was reading it to the interviewer by sounding it out. Maybe Chuck had written it on his hand and was reading it to the interviewer by sounding it out.

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