Comments on: Lesnar loses UFC debut; Mir absorbs hammerfists, cranks the leg lock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:47:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-14014 Derek B. Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:29:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-14014 I guess you could just say I'm biased toward Brock Lesnar. I just think it's a slap to the face to some of the other fighters out there that have been busting their arses to get where he was at. He was 2nd to main event on the card. I just think before he went to the UFC he should have had more than just 1 fight under his belt. Also, I don't see Brock Lesnar getting any stand-up knockouts anytime soon in his career. I guess you could just say I’m biased toward Brock Lesnar. I just think it’s a slap to the face to some of the other fighters out there that have been busting their arses to get where he was at. He was 2nd to main event on the card. I just think before he went to the UFC he should have had more than just 1 fight under his belt.

Also, I don’t see Brock Lesnar getting any stand-up knockouts anytime soon in his career.

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-14010 Rich Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:22:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-14010 Derek B., i didn't see anything wrong w/ Lesnar's striking.. well, i mean, it was great for a collegiate wrestler.. those strikes looked crisp and accurate.. at least.. the ones that he landed before it went to the ground the second time.. Derek B.,

i didn’t see anything wrong w/ Lesnar’s striking.. well, i mean, it was great for a collegiate wrestler..

those strikes looked crisp and accurate.. at least.. the ones that he landed before it went to the ground the second time..

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13950 Derek B. Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:26:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13950 Once again Lesnar showed nothing but raw power and strength. His wrestling technique is way above average...but his striking isn't even average if you ask me. He didn't even throw a hammer fist to mir...he was throwing baby rabbit punches. He needs to get into some good training with Marc Coleman and learn some serious ground and pound techniques. If Lesnar would have thrown his weight into his punches he would have done alot more damage. Point is that lesnar needs to work his way back up the ladder. Let him win a few matches and then allow him to fight another top heavy weight. Once again Lesnar showed nothing but raw power and strength. His wrestling technique is way above average…but his striking isn’t even average if you ask me.

He didn’t even throw a hammer fist to mir…he was throwing baby rabbit punches. He needs to get into some good training with Marc Coleman and learn some serious ground and pound techniques.

If Lesnar would have thrown his weight into his punches he would have done alot more damage.

Point is that lesnar needs to work his way back up the ladder. Let him win a few matches and then allow him to fight another top heavy weight.

]]> By: thomas http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13878 thomas Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:24:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13878 disappointed by the coverage they gave all the stupid wrestlers in attendance....hope the ufc distances itself from the dumbest "sport" in the planet....is on the verge of making a huge mistake by dumbing down the quality of fighters....Lesnar is a confessed roid monkey who has no place in mma disappointed by the coverage they gave all the stupid wrestlers in attendance….hope the ufc distances itself from the dumbest “sport” in the planet….is on the verge of making a huge mistake by dumbing down the quality of fighters….Lesnar is a confessed roid monkey who has no place in mma

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13837 Rich Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:02:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13837 oh.. and i'm kinda sad.. because.. i originally had Nogueira winning by sub in the third... on my fantasy card.. and i figured we'd see same old Tim.. so i changed it to Tim Unanimous Decision... so... that would have totally gotten me more points.. but.. i nailed the griffon fight right on because i had him winning a decision.. and i had Almeida sub in the first.. i did... pretty good on this one i guess.. oh.. and i’m kinda sad.. because.. i originally had Nogueira winning by sub in the third… on my fantasy card.. and i figured we’d see same old Tim.. so i changed it to Tim Unanimous Decision… so… that would have totally gotten me more points.. but.. i nailed the griffon fight right on because i had him winning a decision.. and i had Almeida sub in the first.. i did… pretty good on this one i guess..

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13836 Rich Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:59:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13836 "there was less controversy in the fight w/ Tavares.. but i still thought Tavares could have been the winner.." --- in Taveres' fight with Tyson. “there was less controversy in the fight w/ Tavares.. but i still thought Tavares could have been the winner..” — in Taveres’ fight with Tyson.

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13835 Rich Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:55:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13835 to Cupitt, ya.. sometimes Tyson stood up within seconds.. but they were takedowns none-the-less.. they get points.. or ... they're supposed to.. i was really expecting them to raise Gleison's hand.. just like i was expecting them to raise Guida's hand in HIS fight w/ Tyson. there was less controversy in the fight w/ Tavares.. but i still thought Tavares could have been the winner.. if Tyson doesn't finish his next opponent.. or if he gets a controversial decision.. i'm gonna really start to dislike him.. to Cupitt,

ya.. sometimes Tyson stood up within seconds.. but they were takedowns none-the-less.. they get points.. or … they’re supposed to..

i was really expecting them to raise Gleison’s hand..

just like i was expecting them to raise Guida’s hand in HIS fight w/ Tyson.

there was less controversy in the fight w/ Tavares.. but i still thought Tavares could have been the winner..

if Tyson doesn’t finish his next opponent.. or if he gets a controversial decision.. i’m gonna really start to dislike him..

]]> By: Sergio http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13816 Sergio Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:38:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13816 "you know, yay for Lesnar’s debut and all, but how about giving the winner of the bout some respect? What’s next for Mir?" Why not a re-match with Sylvia? Makes sense to me. “you know, yay for Lesnar’s debut and all, but how about giving the winner of the bout some respect? What’s next for Mir?”

Why not a re-match with Sylvia?

Makes sense to me.

]]> By: Andrew http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13805 Andrew Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:22:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13805 I dont think Lesnar is a joke. He showed so much power, hell, even his little hammer fists did good damage. In my opinion Brock got a little excited when he was on top and got a little sloppy. If he held Mir down more and just tried to advance position instead of whaling away with hammerfists the match would have lasted a little longer. I was personally waiting for some devastating jabs that Mir wasn't expecting because of the reach advantage but the match went too quick. Overall I was excited to see this fight. I can't wait to see Brock again with some improved submission defense, I think he would destroy Mir if they fought again. Props to Mir for that knee bar but it wasn't the most impressive submission I have ever seen. I dont think Lesnar is a joke. He showed so much power, hell, even his little hammer fists did good damage.
In my opinion Brock got a little excited when he was on top and got a little sloppy. If he held Mir down more and just tried to advance position instead of whaling away with hammerfists the match would have lasted a little longer.

I was personally waiting for some devastating jabs that Mir wasn’t expecting because of the reach advantage but the match went too quick.
Overall I was excited to see this fight. I can’t wait to see Brock again with some improved submission defense, I think he would destroy Mir if they fought again.
Props to Mir for that knee bar but it wasn’t the most impressive submission I have ever seen.

]]> By: nichole http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13785 nichole Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:26:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13785 you know, yay for Lesnar's debut and all, but how about giving the winner of the bout some respect? What's next for Mir? While I can't say he's made huge leaping strides of progress, there HAS been some improvement in his fighting these past few fights-- he's starting to show some of the promise of his pre-accident career. His ability to keep a level head and take/create opportunities for submissions like last night's, I think, could prove to be the sleeper of the division. you know, yay for Lesnar’s debut and all, but how about giving the winner of the bout some respect? What’s next for Mir?

While I can’t say he’s made huge leaping strides of progress, there HAS been some improvement in his fighting these past few fights– he’s starting to show some of the promise of his pre-accident career. His ability to keep a level head and take/create opportunities for submissions like last night’s, I think, could prove to be the sleeper of the division.

]]> By: Hard Ass http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13783 Hard Ass Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:16:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13783 So, Big Nog is now the UFC champ. Where are all the Fedor haters that say he's never fought anyone?? Didn't he beat Nog 3 times?? Also, didn't he beat #6 in the world Mark Hunt? And wasn't Coleman in their first fight ranked #2 in the world? Let's all face the fact that there is only one true heavyweight champ right now.....FEDOR!!!! So, Big Nog is now the UFC champ. Where are all the Fedor haters that say he’s never fought anyone?? Didn’t he beat Nog 3 times?? Also, didn’t he beat #6 in the world Mark Hunt? And wasn’t Coleman in their first fight ranked #2 in the world?

Let’s all face the fact that there is only one true heavyweight champ right now…..FEDOR!!!!

]]> By: Matt C. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13779 Matt C. Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:58:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13779 lesnar/sylvia would would huge. lesnar has already talked major crap on big tim... something like "I drive his ass right through the cage" And fighting Big Tim, Brock wont have to worry about submission attempts. lesnar/sylvia would would huge. lesnar has already talked major crap on big tim… something like “I drive his ass right through the cage”

And fighting Big Tim, Brock wont have to worry about submission attempts.

]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13776 Ivan Trembow Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:07:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13776 Referring to “cautious” or “boring” MMA fighting by using the word “humping”: It’s not just for drunken fans in the audience anymore! “”He was trying to finish and he came out and wasn’t just trying to fence hump for five rounds,” White said.” from a Yahoo Sports story Referring to “cautious” or “boring” MMA fighting by using the word “humping”: It’s not just for drunken fans in the audience anymore!

“”He was trying to finish and he came out and wasn’t just trying to fence hump for five rounds,” White said.”

from a Yahoo Sports story

]]> By: mmaninja http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13774 mmaninja Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:41:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13774 Lesnar was certainly no joke, he got a little to scared on the half ass kneebar - Mir didn't even have his hips above the knee. Lesnar should have known better especially having Erik Paulson in his corner. Marquardt completely handled Horn with authority and what a finish! Lesnar was certainly no joke, he got a little to scared on the half ass kneebar – Mir didn’t even have his hips above the knee. Lesnar should have known better especially having Erik Paulson in his corner.

Marquardt completely handled Horn with authority and what a finish!

]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13773 Sam Cupitt Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:30:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13773 Griffin was having his dirty dirty way with Tibau on the feet and everytime Tibau scored a takedown, Griffin just stood up within 10 seconds. Tibau did not win that fight. Griffin was having his dirty dirty way with Tibau on the feet and everytime Tibau scored a takedown, Griffin just stood up within 10 seconds.

Tibau did not win that fight.

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13772 Rich Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:15:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13772 OH MANN... here's my input. I have to say that Brock really impressed me.. he looked amazing in that fight... it just wasn't happening w/ frank mir... but no doubt in my mind... Lesnar's going to completely destroy his next opponent... if he learns some sub defense.. WHAT THE HELL WAS UP W/ THAT FREAK KO FROM BOETSCH... he like... tossed heath at the fence and he just fell on his head and lights out... speaking of lights out.. LYTLE looked absolutely astonishing in there tonight.. finally a devistating win for lights out lytle.. he's soooo good.. he just hasn't had the best of luck in the UFC.. i hope this is just the first of many more wins coming his way.. i just saw that Marvin Eastman actually won.. WTF... after getting KO'd three times ... in three fights.. he just decision'd a guy who KO's people left and right... that's crazy to me... but.. i'm happy for him.. he deserves it.. Great performance by Almeida... that was amazing.. like a ... backflip guillotine.. crazyy... oh... and for the record... Tyson Griffon did not win that fight.. bottom line.. the standup was close to even in every round... but, on top of that Tibeau got a takedown in every round... that's three in a row that were controversial for Tyson.. i thought Guida beat Tyson.. i thought Tavares might have beaten Griffon.. i guess it's nice for Griffon to know that no matter how badly he perfoms in a fight.. he can still manage a decision... if it ever comes to that.. but ya... that was definately gleison's fight.. can't believe Nate actually sub'd the sub master Jeremy Horn... something's wrong there.. that shouldn't have happened... horn looked pretty good in that fight though.. OH MANN…

here’s my input.

I have to say that Brock really impressed me..

he looked amazing in that fight…

it just wasn’t happening w/ frank mir…

but no doubt in my mind… Lesnar’s going to completely destroy his next opponent… if he learns some sub defense..

WHAT THE HELL WAS UP W/ THAT FREAK KO FROM BOETSCH…

he like… tossed heath at the fence and he just fell on his head and lights out…

speaking of lights out..

LYTLE looked absolutely astonishing in there tonight..

finally a devistating win for lights out lytle.. he’s soooo good.. he just hasn’t had the best of luck in the UFC.. i hope this is just the first of many more wins coming his way..

i just saw that Marvin Eastman actually won.. WTF…

after getting KO’d three times … in three fights.. he just decision’d a guy who KO’s people left and right… that’s crazy to me… but.. i’m happy for him.. he deserves it..

Great performance by Almeida… that was amazing.. like a … backflip guillotine.. crazyy…

oh… and for the record… Tyson Griffon did not win that fight.. bottom line..

the standup was close to even in every round… but, on top of that Tibeau got a takedown in every round… that’s three in a row that were controversial for Tyson..

i thought Guida beat Tyson.. i thought Tavares might have beaten Griffon..

i guess it’s nice for Griffon to know that no matter how badly he perfoms in a fight.. he can still manage a decision… if it ever comes to that..

but ya… that was definately gleison’s fight..

can’t believe Nate actually sub’d the sub master Jeremy Horn… something’s wrong there.. that shouldn’t have happened… horn looked pretty good in that fight though..

]]> By: Kevin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13770 Kevin Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:47:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13770 For all of the hype, I think Brock lived up to it, and I think we can all agree that within two fights Lesnar becomes championship material. I would like to say that Lesnar gave that match away, but in actuality although dominant he didn't have control of the situation, leaving the door open for an experienced Mir to take control and get the win. I would also like to believe that the referee timeout helped Mir, but in that situation to I think that Lesnar just didn't have control leading to the shots to the back of the head. (Also, the UFC needs to look into that official, because the world tuned in tonight to see Lesnar, and the ref should take a step back and just warned the guy. Didn't Tito get like 3 warnings in his fight with Rashad for holding onto the cage) Lesnar's next two fights, if UFC really does want to boost him up, should be against a non-submission specialist, or this type of fight will happen every time. For all of the hype, I think Brock lived up to it, and I think we can all agree that within two fights Lesnar becomes championship material. I would like to say that Lesnar gave that match away, but in actuality although dominant he didn’t have control of the situation, leaving the door open for an experienced Mir to take control and get the win. I would also like to believe that the referee timeout helped Mir, but in that situation to I think that Lesnar just didn’t have control leading to the shots to the back of the head.

(Also, the UFC needs to look into that official, because the world tuned in tonight to see Lesnar, and the ref should take a step back and just warned the guy. Didn’t Tito get like 3 warnings in his fight with Rashad for holding onto the cage)

Lesnar’s next two fights, if UFC really does want to boost him up, should be against a non-submission specialist, or this type of fight will happen every time.

]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13769 Sam Cupitt Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:46:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13769 Sylvia will still beat the majority of heavyweights in the UFC. He isn't a steeping stone because he lost to the No.2 or No.3 fighter in the world. Sylvia will still beat the majority of heavyweights in the UFC. He isn’t a steeping stone because he lost to the No.2 or No.3 fighter in the world.

]]> By: Ed http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13768 Ed Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:41:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13768 Lesner did look quite the beast! Give him a can or two like Eddie Sanchez then put him in with Silvia. Tim's pretty much a stepping stone now anyway. Lesner did look quite the beast! Give him a can or two like Eddie Sanchez then put him in with Silvia. Tim’s pretty much a stepping stone now anyway.

]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/comment-page-1/#comment-13767 Sam Cupitt Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:34:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/03/lesnar-loses-ufc-debut-mir-absorbs-hammerfists-cranks-the-leg-lock/#comment-13767 How about Brock Lesnar vs Justin McCully or something. Antoni Hardonk is still waiting... How about Brock Lesnar vs Justin McCully or something.

Antoni Hardonk is still waiting…

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