Comments on: Random Rants: My last minute thoughts before tonight’s UFC 82 card http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17584 cyphron Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:35:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17584 no = now no = now

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]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17583 cyphron Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:34:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17583 <i> The Super Bowl MVP analogy simply doesn’t wash. Cyphron, what’s with the name calling? No, Jerry Jones doesn’t give the MVP award, but you’re ignoring the argument. A bias will always be there? That’s ridiculous. There should be no bias when it comes to giving up these post-fight bonuses because in many cases, they are sometimes double, or even triple of what a fighter is due to make in guaranteed money. But I guess human nature will always be biased, so why don’t we allow the relatives of the fighters to serve as judges while we’re at it?</i> Sorry, was drunk. =) I'm saying that Dana White will try to award the bonus without bias. However, as we know no bias is impossible as is the nature of human beings. Even people with the best intentions have hidden biases within them. Psychology 101. Don't tell me you report on FiveOunces with the intention of not favoring ProElite? Don't tell me you have no bias even though you work for them. That's a straw man argument. It's a far cry difference between the UFC president and matchmaker giving out bonuses to the fighter than the fighter's relatives giving out bonuses. Do you seriously believe Koschek would've fought like that if there were no bonuses? He would've dry hump Hazlett to a win if all wins are equal. Some of the original lay N pray fighers are no full fledged strikers. The bonuses make a difference, and to say otherwise tells me you're biased. ^_^ The Super Bowl MVP analogy simply doesn’t wash. Cyphron, what’s with the name calling? No, Jerry Jones doesn’t give the MVP award, but you’re ignoring the argument. A bias will always be there? That’s ridiculous. There should be no bias when it comes to giving up these post-fight bonuses because in many cases, they are sometimes double, or even triple of what a fighter is due to make in guaranteed money. But I guess human nature will always be biased, so why don’t we allow the relatives of the fighters to serve as judges while we’re at it?

Sorry, was drunk. =)

I’m saying that Dana White will try to award the bonus without bias. However, as we know no bias is impossible as is the nature of human beings. Even people with the best intentions have hidden biases within them. Psychology 101. Don’t tell me you report on FiveOunces with the intention of not favoring ProElite? Don’t tell me you have no bias even though you work for them.

That’s a straw man argument. It’s a far cry difference between the UFC president and matchmaker giving out bonuses to the fighter than the fighter’s relatives giving out bonuses. Do you seriously believe Koschek would’ve fought like that if there were no bonuses? He would’ve dry hump Hazlett to a win if all wins are equal. Some of the original lay N pray fighers are no full fledged strikers. The bonuses make a difference, and to say otherwise tells me you’re biased. ^_^

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]]> By: Ryan Seacrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17565 Ryan Seacrest Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:41:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17565 Caplan.....don't lie we all know you listen to kidz bop in the car on your way to your mma training. It pumps you up...LOL JK. I am with you Sam how the peet bull got shut out on the main card. A former champ who by far is the best striker in HW division was made an undercard. Caplan…..don’t lie we all know you listen to kidz bop in the car on your way to your mma training. It pumps you up…LOL JK. I am with you Sam how the peet bull got shut out on the main card. A former champ who by far is the best striker in HW division was made an undercard.

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]]> By: Captain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17555 Captain Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:57:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17555 Adam: I read that interview. I would not be surprised if Koscheck was re-signed already. Especially after tonight's performance and the glowing article written about him on ufc.com the other day. Silva vs. Okami has to be the next MW title match. Adam:

I read that interview. I would not be surprised if Koscheck was re-signed already. Especially after tonight’s performance and the glowing article written about him on ufc.com the other day.

Silva vs. Okami has to be the next MW title match.

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17549 Adam Morgan Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:53:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17549 Sam, you read on the Wrestling Observer that tonight's fight was the last on Kos' contract? How about reading my interview, buddy? ;) Josh Koscheck: I’m just gonna say no comment with that and just avoid the question altogether. It’s tough times right now and I’m gonna be coming up for a renegotiation of my contract after this fight. I’ll let my managers do all that. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. That’s why I have an awesome manager, Zinkin.tv, probably one of the best management companies in the world right now in mixed martial arts. I’ll let them handle that and I’m just gonna not comment on it. That’s their job and my job is to fight. Adam Morgan: Are you still on your Ultimate Fighter contract? And is this the last fight on it? Josh Koscheck: Yes I am. I’ve fulfilled my nine fights and now there’s just time remaining on the contract but I didn’t just want to sit around for 8 or 9 months so I decided to just fight again. Sam, you read on the Wrestling Observer that tonight’s fight was the last on Kos’ contract?

How about reading my interview, buddy? ;)

Josh Koscheck: I’m just gonna say no comment with that and just avoid the question altogether. It’s tough times right now and I’m gonna be coming up for a renegotiation of my contract after this fight. I’ll let my managers do all that. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. That’s why I have an awesome manager, Zinkin.tv, probably one of the best management companies in the world right now in mixed martial arts. I’ll let them handle that and I’m just gonna not comment on it. That’s their job and my job is to fight.

Adam Morgan: Are you still on your Ultimate Fighter contract? And is this the last fight on it?

Josh Koscheck: Yes I am. I’ve fulfilled my nine fights and now there’s just time remaining on the contract but I didn’t just want to sit around for 8 or 9 months so I decided to just fight again.

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17519 dice Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:06:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17519 # 12 cyphron Says: March 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm "Dice, You’re an idiot. Your analogy would be better if Jerry Jones run the NFL and gives out the MVP award. Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish and he hands out bonuses (MVP). Perhaps you are the one who needs to learn a little comprehension before you jump in and criticize. " So the NFL pays the players? I was under the impression that the NFL was more of a governing body type that is in control of TV deals, referees, and rules. In order for your new analogy to work, the NFL would be in charge of signing and paying players. Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish? Yeah, and I am the idiot. The NFL and UFC have completely different business models. I think you are the only one who doesn't see the conflict that Sam is pointing out. Yellow cards? Nobody likes them and they don't work (in motivating a fighter), just look up past interviews of Rampage, Barnett and Henderson. Sam Caplan "If a fighter signs a three fight contract with the UFC, they owe the UFC three fights. However, the contract doesn’t mean the UFC necessarily owes them three fights." Yes, and thats why I feel no sympathy when someone leaves the UFC early because they don't like their contract. The UFC refuses to apply the same standards to themselves as they apply to others (I really don't care if they can do it legally). If there was any sort of balance when it came to negotiations, then both entities would have similar looking terms. # 12 cyphron Says:
March 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm

“Dice,

You’re an idiot. Your analogy would be better if Jerry Jones run the NFL and gives out the MVP award. Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish and he hands out bonuses (MVP). Perhaps you are the one who needs to learn a little comprehension before you jump in and criticize. ”

So the NFL pays the players? I was under the impression that the NFL was more of a governing body type that is in control of TV deals, referees, and rules. In order for your new analogy to work, the NFL would be in charge of signing and paying players.

Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish? Yeah, and I am the idiot. The NFL and UFC have completely different business models.

I think you are the only one who doesn’t see the conflict that Sam is pointing out.

Yellow cards? Nobody likes them and they don’t work (in motivating a fighter), just look up past interviews of Rampage, Barnett and Henderson.

Sam Caplan

“If a fighter signs a three fight contract with the UFC, they owe the UFC three fights. However, the contract doesn’t mean the UFC necessarily owes them three fights.”

Yes, and thats why I feel no sympathy when someone leaves the UFC early because they don’t like their contract. The UFC refuses to apply the same standards to themselves as they apply to others (I really don’t care if they can do it legally). If there was any sort of balance when it came to negotiations, then both entities would have similar looking terms.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17517 Sam Caplan Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:43:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17517 The Super Bowl MVP analogy simply doesn't wash. Cyphron, what's with the name calling? No, Jerry Jones doesn't give the MVP award, but you're ignoring the argument. A bias will always be there? That's ridiculous. There should be no bias when it comes to giving up these post-fight bonuses because in many cases, they are sometimes double, or even triple of what a fighter is due to make in guaranteed money. But I guess human nature will always be biased, so why don't we allow the relatives of the fighters to serve as judges while we're at it? As for yellow cards, I hate them. A referee should not dictate fighter pay. You'd have a real time utilizing that concept in the U.S. anyway. My feeling is that most refs simply would not want that kind of responsibility. And if you took away the bonuses it would still be nothing like boxing. The incentive to perform already exists in the fact that most UFC contracts are not guaranteed. Your contract can be accelerated at any time. Just ask David Loiseau what happens when you turn in a lackluster performance. And just ask Ivan Salaverry what happens when you turn in a clunker. If a fighter signs a three fight contract with the UFC, they owe the UFC three fights. However, the contract doesn't mean the UFC necessarily owes them three fights. The Super Bowl MVP analogy simply doesn’t wash. Cyphron, what’s with the name calling? No, Jerry Jones doesn’t give the MVP award, but you’re ignoring the argument. A bias will always be there? That’s ridiculous. There should be no bias when it comes to giving up these post-fight bonuses because in many cases, they are sometimes double, or even triple of what a fighter is due to make in guaranteed money. But I guess human nature will always be biased, so why don’t we allow the relatives of the fighters to serve as judges while we’re at it?

As for yellow cards, I hate them. A referee should not dictate fighter pay. You’d have a real time utilizing that concept in the U.S. anyway. My feeling is that most refs simply would not want that kind of responsibility. And if you took away the bonuses it would still be nothing like boxing. The incentive to perform already exists in the fact that most UFC contracts are not guaranteed. Your contract can be accelerated at any time. Just ask David Loiseau what happens when you turn in a lackluster performance. And just ask Ivan Salaverry what happens when you turn in a clunker. If a fighter signs a three fight contract with the UFC, they owe the UFC three fights. However, the contract doesn’t mean the UFC necessarily owes them three fights.

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]]> By: Brandt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17509 Brandt Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:16:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17509 The UFC HD feed definitely looks different than the HD feeds for HDNet. There's no way I would go back to regular 480i after watching it in 1080i with the surround sound, but HDNet feeds are much clearer. I also have an article up on my site (Did CBS Save Arlovski...) linking back to Fight Line who said that the UFC is planning to re-sign Koscheck. Who knows if it's true though. The UFC HD feed definitely looks different than the HD feeds for HDNet. There’s no way I would go back to regular 480i after watching it in 1080i with the surround sound, but HDNet feeds are much clearer.

I also have an article up on my site (Did CBS Save Arlovski…) linking back to Fight Line who said that the UFC is planning to re-sign Koscheck. Who knows if it’s true though.

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]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17508 cyphron Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:10:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17508 Dice, You're an idiot. Your analogy would be better if Jerry Jones run the NFL and gives out the MVP award. Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish and he hands out bonuses (MVP). Perhaps you are the one who needs to learn a little comprehension before you jump in and criticize. Politics is always there just as bias will always be there. You can't eliminate it. Human nature will always be biased and arbitrary in one way or another. Dice,

You’re an idiot. Your analogy would be better if Jerry Jones run the NFL and gives out the MVP award. Dana is the equivalent of an NFL commish and he hands out bonuses (MVP). Perhaps you are the one who needs to learn a little comprehension before you jump in and criticize.

Politics is always there just as bias will always be there. You can’t eliminate it. Human nature will always be biased and arbitrary in one way or another.

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]]> By: steve24 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17505 steve24 Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:49:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17505 I just saw an interview with Kos on Mania and he said he just got a raise. So he could have just gotten a contract extension. I just saw an interview with Kos on Mania and he said he just got a raise. So he could have just gotten a contract extension.

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]]> By: The Legend http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17503 The Legend Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:39:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17503 "Also, am I the only one whose screen looks like there is static when the lights from the ceiling rotate when they do a closeup of the cage just before the fighters enter?" That doesn't happen at my house. “Also, am I the only one whose screen looks like there is static when the lights from the ceiling rotate when they do a closeup of the cage just before the fighters enter?”

That doesn’t happen at my house.

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17501 dice Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:31:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17501 # # 5 Sam Caplan Says: March 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm "I think a better way would be to take all the money they allot for bonuses and pay it as salary, especially for the lesser paid guys." Yahtzee!!! I agree, discretionary bonuses do nothing but create tension between fighters and promoters. These after fight bonuses, official and unofficial alike, seem to be the source of a lot of hard feelings lately. Cyphron, maybe after reading what Sam wrote you could sit back and and try to actually comprehend it before reciting the usual (and bad) defense of the bonuses. Your analogy with the NFL Super Bowl MVP award doesn't make any sense. Sam is talking about how politics could play a role in who gets these awards tonight; how does that fit into how the NFL decides who gets the Super Bowl MVP? Its apples and oranges buddy (just because two things are "arbitrary" doesn't mean they are comparable, one needs to look at the position of the person/group making the judgements); the people deciding who gets the Super Bowl MVP aren't the ones who you negotiate with when it comes signing time. To make your analogy accurate, we would need someone like Jerry Jones to buy the Giants, then have the Giants play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, and then have Jerry Jones decide who gets the MVP award at the end of the night. # # 5 Sam Caplan Says:
March 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm

“I think a better way would be to take all the money they allot for bonuses and pay it as salary, especially for the lesser paid guys.”

Yahtzee!!! I agree, discretionary bonuses do nothing but create tension between fighters and promoters. These after fight bonuses, official and unofficial alike, seem to be the source of a lot of hard feelings lately.

Cyphron, maybe after reading what Sam wrote you could sit back and and try to actually comprehend it before reciting the usual (and bad) defense of the bonuses. Your analogy with the NFL Super Bowl MVP award doesn’t make any sense. Sam is talking about how politics could play a role in who gets these awards tonight; how does that fit into how the NFL decides who gets the Super Bowl MVP? Its apples and oranges buddy (just because two things are “arbitrary” doesn’t mean they are comparable, one needs to look at the position of the person/group making the judgements); the people deciding who gets the Super Bowl MVP aren’t the ones who you negotiate with when it comes signing time.

To make your analogy accurate, we would need someone like Jerry Jones to buy the Giants, then have the Giants play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, and then have Jerry Jones decide who gets the MVP award at the end of the night.

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]]> By: PooPooPlatter http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17499 PooPooPlatter Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:23:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17499 Isn't "randon" spelled with an M? Random? Isn’t “randon” spelled with an M? Random?

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]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17497 Tommy Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:16:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17497 Sam, then you would have the same thing as in boxing. People getting paid off their name and who they are with no eye whatsoever towards the performance they put on. I don't agree. Anyone here wanna put money on Dan? Cause I surely don't see him beating Silva. Dan's too cocky and confident in his abilities and in my opinion just isn't as hungry as he used to be. Sam, then you would have the same thing as in boxing. People getting paid off their name and who they are with no eye whatsoever towards the performance they put on. I don’t agree. Anyone here wanna put money on Dan? Cause I surely don’t see him beating Silva. Dan’s too cocky and confident in his abilities and in my opinion just isn’t as hungry as he used to be.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17496 HexRei Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:12:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17496 Sam, I agree with you in principle but I think Dana and co. employ the bonuses as a sort of system of incentives to keep the fights exciting. Now if only they had yellow cards, your idea would be perfect... Sam,

I agree with you in principle but I think Dana and co. employ the bonuses as a sort of system of incentives to keep the fights exciting. Now if only they had yellow cards, your idea would be perfect…

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17493 Sam Caplan Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:47:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17493 I think a better way would be to take all the money they allot for bonuses and pay it as salary, especially for the lesser paid guys. I think a better way would be to take all the money they allot for bonuses and pay it as salary, especially for the lesser paid guys.

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]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17491 cyphron Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:11:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17491 The MVP award for the Super Bowl is also arbitrary. The "bonus" money is just that, a bonus. Which means it is not written in their contract and are given out at the goodwill of the UFC. Therefore, what's the point in griping? Should there be a vote by Internet fans? No, because it would become a popularity contest. Even the judges get it wrong some times on who should win the fight. There is no perfect system to award the bonus money. The way it is now is as good as any. The MVP award for the Super Bowl is also arbitrary. The “bonus” money is just that, a bonus. Which means it is not written in their contract and are given out at the goodwill of the UFC. Therefore, what’s the point in griping?

Should there be a vote by Internet fans? No, because it would become a popularity contest. Even the judges get it wrong some times on who should win the fight. There is no perfect system to award the bonus money. The way it is now is as good as any.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17490 Jeremy Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:01:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17490 Wow, if that is Koschecks' last fight on his contract I am very interested to see what kind of price he could get on the open market. He's certainly one of the top welterweights in the world, even though he isn't the most exciting. I'd really like to see some kind of bidding war start with all these new promotions out there. I was hoping that was part of the benefit to the fighters, I haven't really seen that yet. Wow, if that is Koschecks’ last fight on his contract I am very interested to see what kind of price he could get on the open market. He’s certainly one of the top welterweights in the world, even though he isn’t the most exciting. I’d really like to see some kind of bidding war start with all these new promotions out there. I was hoping that was part of the benefit to the fighters, I haven’t really seen that yet.

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]]> By: brett http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17488 brett Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:51:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17488 i read in a interview with koscheck that he resigned i read in a interview with koscheck that he resigned

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/comment-page-1/#comment-17486 HexRei Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:37:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/01/randon-rants-last-minute-thoughts-before-ufc-82/#comment-17486 Totally agreed on Diego, he was clowning on the scale and doing his pro wrestler impression and then turned away from the crowd and cameras during his staredown. wanted to show off his glutes maybe? lol Totally agreed on Diego, he was clowning on the scale and doing his pro wrestler impression and then turned away from the crowd and cameras during his staredown. wanted to show off his glutes maybe? lol

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