Comments on: Roy Nelson calls out Fedor http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-18097 Sam Caplan Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:11:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-18097 <p>"What is Sam Caplan’s problem? I look at his top ten and think “this guy’s on zuffa’s payroll.” Is he? No. But that makes his leaning far more contemptuous."</p> <p>This is one of the most ignorant statements I've read in this comments area.</p> <p>People, it's time to start arguing based on the merits of a statement made and stop making ridiculous accusations about people. </p> <p>If you don't agree with something someone said, feel free to debate it on the merits of what has been said. Do not introduce ridiculous conspiracy theories that call someone's integrity into question. When you resort to such lame statements you're essentially saying, "I can't make a relevant argument, so let me try to discredit it by throwing some mud."</p> <p>Epitaxy, in order to be top ten, you need to beat fighters who are either in the top ten of on the cusp of it. Fedor hasn't fought a top contender since 2005 so some might say (and have said) that I have him ranked too high.</p> <p>Your statement claiming that Henderson is the only legit, advanced fighter that Anderson Silva has beaten makes it impossible for me to take anything you say seriously. Silva beat Rich Franklin twice and Nathan Marquardt. Franklin is without question a legit, advanced middleweight while Marquardt is absolutely a borderline top ten fighter in the world rankings. To try and argue otherwise is just wrong.</p> <p>Fedor hasn't fought Arlovski, Barnett, Couture, Sylvia, Aleksander Emelianenko (hey, if you're going to complain that Silva hasn't fought Filho, we might as well throw Fedor's brother into the mix), Rothwell, Antonio Silva, the list goes on and on.</p> “What is Sam Caplan’s problem? I look at his top ten and think “this guy’s on zuffa’s payroll.” Is he? No. But that makes his leaning far more contemptuous.”

This is one of the most ignorant statements I’ve read in this comments area.

People, it’s time to start arguing based on the merits of a statement made and stop making ridiculous accusations about people.

If you don’t agree with something someone said, feel free to debate it on the merits of what has been said. Do not introduce ridiculous conspiracy theories that call someone’s integrity into question. When you resort to such lame statements you’re essentially saying, “I can’t make a relevant argument, so let me try to discredit it by throwing some mud.”

Epitaxy, in order to be top ten, you need to beat fighters who are either in the top ten of on the cusp of it. Fedor hasn’t fought a top contender since 2005 so some might say (and have said) that I have him ranked too high.

Your statement claiming that Henderson is the only legit, advanced fighter that Anderson Silva has beaten makes it impossible for me to take anything you say seriously. Silva beat Rich Franklin twice and Nathan Marquardt. Franklin is without question a legit, advanced middleweight while Marquardt is absolutely a borderline top ten fighter in the world rankings. To try and argue otherwise is just wrong.

Fedor hasn’t fought Arlovski, Barnett, Couture, Sylvia, Aleksander Emelianenko (hey, if you’re going to complain that Silva hasn’t fought Filho, we might as well throw Fedor’s brother into the mix), Rothwell, Antonio Silva, the list goes on and on.

]]> By: epitaxy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-18089 epitaxy Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:01:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-18089 This sam caplan guy really has it in for Fedor, or doesn't know anything about mma. Either way, I don't get why people think fighting under a particular mma promotion (zuffa) makes a fighter better. Who hasn't Fedor fought that is significant? Barnett, and Couture, maybe Arlowski. All three of these showdowns are looking very possible. Why doesn't someone ask "who has anderson silva fought"? Well, he just fought henderson, but that was the only legit advanced fighter he has beat. He hasn't beat Shamrock, Kang, Filho, Akiyama, Lindland, any of these preeminent MWs. What is Sam Caplan's problem? I look at his top ten and think "this guy's on zuffa's payroll." Is he? No. But that makes his leaning far more contemptuous. This sam caplan guy really has it in for Fedor, or doesn’t know anything about mma.

Either way, I don’t get why people think fighting under a particular mma promotion (zuffa) makes a fighter better. Who hasn’t Fedor fought that is significant? Barnett, and Couture, maybe Arlowski. All three of these showdowns are looking very possible.

Why doesn’t someone ask “who has anderson silva fought”? Well, he just fought henderson, but that was the only legit advanced fighter he has beat. He hasn’t beat Shamrock, Kang, Filho, Akiyama, Lindland, any of these preeminent MWs.

What is Sam Caplan’s problem? I look at his top ten and think “this guy’s on zuffa’s payroll.” Is he? No. But that makes his leaning far more contemptuous.

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-18076 Rich Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:33:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-18076 i'll agree w/ #18 i mean.. how much more does Fedor have to show?? i know he could be putting on bigger shows right now.. but.. look at the past.. he's beaten: Big Nog Hunt Cro Cop Coleman Lindland Randleman Goodridge so on and so forth.. i mean.. are those not some of the best HW/LHW's in the world?? and whether you're for or against a Fedor/Nelson match.. we all know at the end of the night... Nelson would be going to the hospital.. and Fedor would be getting his hand raised.. the only person alive right now.. that could maybe beat Fedor.. i mean, stand even the smallest chance in the world.. is Randy.. and i really do think he would lose.. i’ll agree w/ #18

i mean.. how much more does Fedor have to show??
i know he could be putting on bigger shows right now.. but.. look at the past..

he’s beaten:
Big Nog
Hunt
Cro Cop
Coleman
Lindland
Randleman
Goodridge
so on and so forth..

i mean.. are those not some of the best HW/LHW’s in the world??

and whether you’re for or against a Fedor/Nelson match.. we all know at the end of the night… Nelson would be going to the hospital.. and Fedor would be getting his hand raised..

the only person alive right now.. that could maybe beat Fedor.. i mean, stand even the smallest chance in the world.. is Randy.. and i really do think he would lose..

]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-18075 Rich Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:25:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-18075 i read the title: Roy Nelson Calls out Fedor and i was seconds from pissing myself.. i was laughing sooo hard.. and then i went on to read: "I’m all for a Nelson vs. Fedor fight. It would be Fedor’s first legitimate challenge in several years" hahaha.. ooooh man.. Nelson would get worked.. i read the title: Roy Nelson Calls out Fedor

and i was seconds from pissing myself..
i was laughing sooo hard..

and then i went on to read: “I’m all for a Nelson vs. Fedor fight. It would be Fedor’s first legitimate challenge in several years”

hahaha..

ooooh man.. Nelson would get worked..

]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17956 cyphron Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:05:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17956 Hunt got beat by Yoshida of all people. Beating a ground-game less Mark Hunt is no great credit to Fedor. He's just a better version of HMC. Fedor's management loves to put him up against favorable match ups like that. I think we can all agree now that beating Cro Cop is no great accolades. Every single HW in the UFC who has beaten Cro Cop quickly loses their next fight. There's parity right now in the HW division. There really isn't a great dominant fighter like in the other divisions. Hunt got beat by Yoshida of all people. Beating a ground-game less Mark Hunt is no great credit to Fedor. He’s just a better version of HMC.

Fedor’s management loves to put him up against favorable match ups like that. I think we can all agree now that beating Cro Cop is no great accolades. Every single HW in the UFC who has beaten Cro Cop quickly loses their next fight. There’s parity right now in the HW division. There really isn’t a great dominant fighter like in the other divisions.

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17955 Evan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:00:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17955 "People will make an argument against _______ (name any fighter) no matter who he fights" A little edit. :) “People will make an argument against _______ (name any fighter) no matter who he fights”

A little edit. :)

]]> By: Eric http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17953 Eric Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:44:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17953 People will make an argument against Fedor no matter who he fights. He could beat Randy Couture next year and all of the sudden people would say he's just 45 or 46 and past his second prime. Maybe Barnett. But outside of that people with an agenda will find a reason why he's not to be as respected. I remember bashing Hunt after he beat Cro Cop and people were ranking him in the top 5 world HWs. All of the sudden when Fedor beat him and time passed those same people were saying Hunt was just a SHW with less than 10 fights. You can label a fighter anything you want according to your agenda. People will make an argument against Fedor no matter who he fights. He could beat Randy Couture next year and all of the sudden people would say he’s just 45 or 46 and past his second prime.

Maybe Barnett. But outside of that people with an agenda will find a reason why he’s not to be as respected.

I remember bashing Hunt after he beat Cro Cop and people were ranking him in the top 5 world HWs. All of the sudden when Fedor beat him and time passed those same people were saying Hunt was just a SHW with less than 10 fights. You can label a fighter anything you want according to your agenda.

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17951 Evan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:16:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17951 Fedor is among only a hand full of A level fighters." Well..the argument people have against Fedor is that he hasn't proved it in a while. I know people say he has nothing left to prove which is true in the historical sense but not in modern standings..you can’t have it both ways. Everything has changed so much lately. Fedor is among only a hand full of A level fighters.”

Well..the argument people have against Fedor is that he hasn’t proved it in a while. I know people say he has nothing left to prove which is true in the historical sense but not in modern standings..you can’t have it both ways. Everything has changed so much lately.

]]> By: Tony Fennen http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17945 Tony Fennen Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:53:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17945 Roy Nelson is a C Level fighter. Fedor is among only a hand full of A level fighters. Roys got mad heart and I have seen the guy take a clubbing and keep on coming.... but he wouldnt last 2 rounds with Fedor. Fedor by submission round 2 Roy Nelson is a C Level fighter.

Fedor is among only a hand full of A level fighters.

Roys got mad heart and I have seen the guy take a clubbing and keep on coming…. but he wouldnt last 2 rounds with Fedor.

Fedor by submission round 2

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17923 Derek B. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:46:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17923 I've seen Nelson's fights. You have to question his cardio against the russian. I’ve seen Nelson’s fights. You have to question his cardio against the russian.

]]> By: DRizzle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17918 DRizzle Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:38:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17918 The article is correct in saying it "would be Fedor’s first legitimate challenge in several years." That statement is 100% accurate! Some of you morons have probably never seen Roy Nelson fight. Nelson is one bad MF, no doubt. The article is correct in saying it “would be Fedor’s first legitimate challenge in several years.” That statement is 100% accurate! Some of you morons have probably never seen Roy Nelson fight. Nelson is one bad MF, no doubt.

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17908 Evan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:57:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17908 For the massive shows, yes. If you want MMA to take on the inner workings of boxing then I suppose this is a good direction. For the massive shows, yes. If you want MMA to take on the inner workings of boxing then I suppose this is a good direction.

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17905 Derek B. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:55:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17905 Evan Boxing is still putting people in the seats aint it? Evan Boxing is still putting people in the seats aint it?

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17895 Evan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:37:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17895 "Fedor’s management is smart" "They are taking the boxing route to fighting MMA." So you think boxing is in a healthy state eh? “Fedor’s management is smart”

“They are taking the boxing route to fighting MMA.”

So you think boxing is in a healthy state eh?

]]> By: Grape Knee High http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17893 Grape Knee High Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:25:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17893 Is Roy Nelson related to Half Nelson and Full Nelson? Is Roy Nelson related to Half Nelson and Full Nelson?

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17884 Derek B. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:43:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17884 Fedor's management is smart. They are going after the big money. Why settle down for the small bucks and fight under 1 org when you can fight under different orgs and get paid more than any other fighter? They are taking the boxing route to fighting MMA. Fedor’s management is smart. They are going after the big money. Why settle down for the small bucks and fight under 1 org when you can fight under different orgs and get paid more than any other fighter?

They are taking the boxing route to fighting MMA.

]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17883 Tommy Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:24:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17883 Nelson is just trying what everyone else is trying to do and that's hype up his own name (and company) by calling out one of the greats. How can anyone in their right mind think this would even be a fight much less a legitimate challenge? Nelson couldn't even beat Rothwell! In fact just saying that proves the utter lack of quality fighters Fedor's fought in the past several years. Fedor is being managed to death by his managers. they already managed him right out of the #1 p4p spot and soon the #1 HW spot. Dana takes flack all the time from you guys but what about Fedor's managers? Nelson is just trying what everyone else is trying to do and that’s hype up his own name (and company) by calling out one of the greats. How can anyone in their right mind think this would even be a fight much less a legitimate challenge? Nelson couldn’t even beat Rothwell! In fact just saying that proves the utter lack of quality fighters Fedor’s fought in the past several years. Fedor is being managed to death by his managers. they already managed him right out of the #1 p4p spot and soon the #1 HW spot. Dana takes flack all the time from you guys but what about Fedor’s managers?

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17882 Derek B. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:16:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17882 Let Nelson fight Choi then I'll be more in tune to watching a fight between him and Fedor. Let Nelson fight Choi then I’ll be more in tune to watching a fight between him and Fedor.

]]> By: hankd http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17874 hankd Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:49:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17874 Nelson legit? Come on now...lmao Nelson legit? Come on now…lmao

]]> By: Ryan M http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/comment-page-1/#comment-17873 Ryan M Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:48:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/04/roy-nelson-calls-out-fedor/#comment-17873 Sam, if your reading this--why do you think Nelson Vs. Fedor would be a good fight? Let alone a legitimate fight? Just wondering bro, I just don't get it, I'd like to hear your reasoning. Sam, if your reading this–why do you think Nelson Vs. Fedor would be a good fight? Let alone a legitimate fight? Just wondering bro, I just don’t get it, I’d like to hear your reasoning.

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