Comments on: Making the Case for Lesnar vs. Coleman: Part I http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:23:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-21071 Ryan Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:38:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-21071 What everyone forgets is the fact that many fighters who are relatively new to MMA (Lesnar) have to get experience somehow. Many of them already have been to smaller promotions and may have 5 or 6 amateur fights before gong into the UFC. In a way Lesnar brings the UFC back to its roots where it was discipline vs. discipline. That's what makes him exciting to watch. If your only interested in watching pure MMA fights go to WEC. Even Elite XC has some crossovers (KIMBO) but thats what makes it interesting. Bottom line is Lesnar brings a following and the WWE fans that stay around will most likely get as addicted to MMA as they did to WWE. Dana White knows how to promote and if it wasn't for him and the UFC there wouldn't be an MMA world as we know it today. Unfortunately Lesnar is a stepping stone for fighters to get there name promoted build notoriety and rebuild confidence. What everyone forgets is the fact that many fighters who are relatively new to MMA (Lesnar) have to get experience somehow. Many of them already have been to smaller promotions and may have 5 or 6 amateur fights before gong into the UFC. In a way Lesnar brings the UFC back to its roots where it was discipline vs. discipline. That’s what makes him exciting to watch. If your only interested in watching pure MMA fights go to WEC. Even Elite XC has some crossovers (KIMBO) but thats what makes it interesting.

Bottom line is Lesnar brings a following and the WWE fans that stay around will most likely get as addicted to MMA as they did to WWE. Dana White knows how to promote and if it wasn’t for him and the UFC there wouldn’t be an MMA world as we know it today. Unfortunately Lesnar is a stepping stone for fighters to get there name promoted build notoriety and rebuild confidence.

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]]> By: Marc http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18289 Marc Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:35:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18289 Jackyl - Fair enough. Jackyl – Fair enough.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18287 Jackyl Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:26:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18287 Touche' I do think Brock will win, and I have confidence that he will win. I like Brock and I think that he will be a title contender sooner rather than later. I just think that Coleman is a good test for him. I guess it will look bad if he loses no matter who he fights, and maybe his stock will drop a little. But I think the UFC saw Lesnar's potential, and with a lot of their top guys not getting any younger, they made the investment. The crossover wrestling fans will go away, but Lesnar will earn the respect he is due. Touche’ I do think Brock will win, and I have confidence that he will win. I like Brock and I think that he will be a title contender sooner rather than later. I just think that Coleman is a good test for him. I guess it will look bad if he loses no matter who he fights, and maybe his stock will drop a little. But I think the UFC saw Lesnar’s potential, and with a lot of their top guys not getting any younger, they made the investment. The crossover wrestling fans will go away, but Lesnar will earn the respect he is due.

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]]> By: Marc http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18248 Marc Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:54:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18248 By Jackyl's standard above, I must be crazy, because Coleman is going to wind up in the hospital. It won't be a fight; it will be slaughter. Do you really think that Coleman will have any better luck dealing with Lesnar's freakish strength than Mir? And Coleman doesn't have half the submission game that Mir does. This fight wil be over quick, and when it's done, all that will be left of Coleman is a blood stain. There's a reason there's no old timer's division in the UFC, and this fight will demonstrate that. By Jackyl’s standard above, I must be crazy, because Coleman is going to wind up in the hospital. It won’t be a fight; it will be slaughter. Do you really think that Coleman will have any better luck dealing with Lesnar’s freakish strength than Mir? And Coleman doesn’t have half the submission game that Mir does. This fight wil be over quick, and when it’s done, all that will be left of Coleman is a blood stain. There’s a reason there’s no old timer’s division in the UFC, and this fight will demonstrate that.

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]]> By: Big Butch http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18214 Big Butch Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:40:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18214 Hey Jackyl, I don't think the crossover pro wrestling fans will continue tune in and buy PPV's if Lesnar continues to lose. Yes, he dominated Mir and he definitely should have won...but, he didn't. He has nothing to be ashamed of in that loss, and he earned the respect of the hardcore crowd with his performance. His name alone as part of the co-main even helped the UFC get one of their highest buyrates ever. However, this isn't pro wrestling where a guy has a chance to redeem himself every Monday night before the next PPV. If he loses to Coleman, someone who a lot of the crossover fans know nothing about, they won't continue to come back, and it will make the investment put into Lesnar less valuable. It really doesn't matter how legitimate Coleman is, especially if Lesnar loses, in my opinion. Hey Jackyl, I don’t think the crossover pro wrestling fans will continue tune in and buy PPV’s if Lesnar continues to lose. Yes, he dominated Mir and he definitely should have won…but, he didn’t. He has nothing to be ashamed of in that loss, and he earned the respect of the hardcore crowd with his performance. His name alone as part of the co-main even helped the UFC get one of their highest buyrates ever. However, this isn’t pro wrestling where a guy has a chance to redeem himself every Monday night before the next PPV. If he loses to Coleman, someone who a lot of the crossover fans know nothing about, they won’t continue to come back, and it will make the investment put into Lesnar less valuable. It really doesn’t matter how legitimate Coleman is, especially if Lesnar loses, in my opinion.

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]]> By: mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18210 mike Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:32:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18210 i meant to say aurellio, not misaki. i still have UFC 82 (hendos last loss at MW was to misaki) on the brain. i meant to say aurellio, not misaki. i still have UFC 82 (hendos last loss at MW was to misaki) on the brain.

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]]> By: hankd http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18206 hankd Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:20:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18206 I don't understand why Mark Hunt is ignored as a tough opponent...especially after seeing that fight... I don’t understand why Mark Hunt is ignored as a tough opponent…especially after seeing that fight…

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]]> By: cyphron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18205 cyphron Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:16:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18205 Coleman is a legit former champ in both Pride and UFC. Tank is just a big bad brawler. Lesnar is a legit athlete with credentials. Kimbo is a street thug. You guys are grasping at straws to pull the UFC down to EliteXC's level. Coleman is a legit former champ in both Pride and UFC. Tank is just a big bad brawler. Lesnar is a legit athlete with credentials. Kimbo is a street thug.

You guys are grasping at straws to pull the UFC down to EliteXC’s level.

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]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18199 Derek B. Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:01:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18199 what ever happened to Danial Puder? He use to be in the WWF and I haven't heard anything about him in a while. what ever happened to Danial Puder? He use to be in the WWF and I haven’t heard anything about him in a while.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-18198 Jackyl Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:50:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/05/making-the-case-for-lesnar-vs-coleman-part-i/#comment-18198 I don't think it's if you lose.....it's how you lose. I think Lesnar looked great in the Mir fight. Mir had no answer for the takedown and gnp. The match was over, Mir was turning away because he was done, Lesnar lands ONE punch to the back of the head and Mazagatti stands them up? Not to meantion taking a point away. That was the most horrible call I've ever seen. Mazzagatti has been on my shit list since then. Point being, if Mazz hadn't stood them up when we did we would all be talking about how Lesnar destroyed Mir. He was still doing well before he made a rookie mistake and straitened his leg, allowing Mir to get the lock. Before that, Lesnar was owning him. So he lost but I think he looked pretty good in losing. The Coleman fight presents an interesting challenge. Anyone that says this isn't a legitimate test for Lesnar is crazy. Coleman may not have enough in the tank for a top fighter like Fedor, but he defenitely has enough to put an up and coming fighter like Lesnar to the test. If Lesnar loses, but still puts on a good showing, I don't think it diminishes his stock at all. I don’t think it’s if you lose…..it’s how you lose. I think Lesnar looked great in the Mir fight. Mir had no answer for the takedown and gnp. The match was over, Mir was turning away because he was done, Lesnar lands ONE punch to the back of the head and Mazagatti stands them up? Not to meantion taking a point away. That was the most horrible call I’ve ever seen. Mazzagatti has been on my shit list since then. Point being, if Mazz hadn’t stood them up when we did we would all be talking about how Lesnar destroyed Mir. He was still doing well before he made a rookie mistake and straitened his leg, allowing Mir to get the lock. Before that, Lesnar was owning him. So he lost but I think he looked pretty good in losing.

The Coleman fight presents an interesting challenge. Anyone that says this isn’t a legitimate test for Lesnar is crazy. Coleman may not have enough in the tank for a top fighter like Fedor, but he defenitely has enough to put an up and coming fighter like Lesnar to the test. If Lesnar loses, but still puts on a good showing, I don’t think it diminishes his stock at all.

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