Shamrock vs. Shamrock on the rocks?
That might be the case, according to Dave Meltzer at Yahoo! Sports:
But the financial backers for a proposed early 2009 fight have gotten very concerned in recent days after Ken lost on March 8 night to the unheralded Robert “Buzz” Berry in London.
Frank noted they would have paid Ken not to fight, but Ken was confident going in that he was at little risk in taking the fight. In doing so, he has put the value of the much bigger fight at risk. Frank feels the type of casual sports fan that would be intrigued by the “Blood Brothers” promotion due to the story isn’t likely to have seen Ken’s most recent fight.
Shamrock also talked with Ortiz, whose UFC contract ends after his May 24 fight, about having a rematch in late 2009 as the ten year anniversary of their original match.
Frank is probably right about the casual fan not having seen Ken’s latest fight against Robert “Buzz” Berry, but the hardcore fans know better than that. Judging from Ken’s last fight, a fight against Frank would probably not be very competitive at all. The fight that makes a lot more sense is the fight against Tito Ortiz, a rematch of a classic UFC bout from Shamrock’s heyday with the organization. Frank and Tito might be the two biggest trash talkers in mixed martial arts today and would be able to put some serious hype behind the fight. That fact coupled with the right promotion, and the fact that it has the potential to be a very good fight, could mean big bucks for an organization that’s not named UFC.
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Will the casual fans know who Ken Shamrock is? He hasn’t been a factor in MMA for years. I’d bet that only the hardcore fans know the Shamrocks, but most of them don’t care about the fight. Both of the Shamrocks are towards the end of their careers, neither are in contention, and the whole thing seems like circus sideshow.
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first of all..
i’m all for Frank Shamrock/Tito Ortiz 2.. because the first match was one of the greatest fights in MMA history..
i would still bank on Frank winning..
second of all..
Frank Shamrock vs. Ken Shamrock could possibly introduce the first ever death during an MMA bout..
Frank would utterly pulvarize Ken..
Thus, sending him into retirement [finally] and maybe even six feet under..
don’t do it, Ken..
for the sake of your life..
i am.. or should i say.. was.. a Ken Shamrock fan.. but.. he needs to call it quits.. before he gets hurt.. i mean, the fight with Buzz was an embarassment.. and the fights with Tito.. hurt him big time.. and the one with Franklin.. hell, i guess i could keep going it just hurts me to do so..
hang ‘em up Kenny..
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I don’t see a reason for either of these fights to happen – Ken Shamrock’s last win was Kimo in 2004, his only notable win this century. There’s no question that he was a good fighter years ago, but, well, things have changed.
As for Mr. Ortiz, you’re right, he’s a great trash talker, but other than three wins over Shamrock, he’s not had a clean, clear win since the decision win over Vitor Belfort 3 years ago.
I’m not saying Tito’s done yet, but he’s not fighting at the level he used to, I don’t see him in the top 10 right now.
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Bleh…MMA is starting to have far too many bizarre lopsided feature fights as of late.
In the recent past we have had…Fedor Vs Herman Munster, Kimbo Vs Tank, Cro Cop vs Mizuno. Gomi Vs Ludwig and now this? It certainly isn’t a plague but it’s an alarming trend IMO. So much for competitive feature bouts.
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how is Gomi/Ludwig lopsided?? they are both excellent fighters..
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When will “expert” fans realize casual fans out number them 15 to 1?
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Fisher is out of FN 12, according to Sherdog.
That’s crappy news, I always love seeing him fight.
Oh… and Ken needs to start driving way too slowly on the highway and paying for his groceries in all change and leave the fighting world alone. And I would LOVE to see Frank/Tito II.
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Man, I wouldn’t doubt Frank was the start of Tito’s back troubles given their first encounter. Those 12-to-6 shots on Tito’s spine as he dry-humped Sham’s legs looked brutal.
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Rich S (#5):
Yes, but you wouldn’t have been able to tell that based on Bang’s performance in that fight. For a guy whose forte is supposed to be stand up, that was sad.
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“how is Gomi/Ludwig lopsided?? they are both excellent fighters..”
Well..Gomi is supposed to be the #1 LW………..
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#11, that was completely retarded..
#9, i thought he looked good.. he had some good body shots..
#10, i can see what you mean.. Gomi is high in the rankings and Ludwig was 2-1 for his last 3 fights.. but other than that.. it was a GREAT, INTERESTING match-up..
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Frank v Ken would be an awful awful sight to see, ken should have stopped fighting years ago (ofcourse simply stating the obvious)……
Frank v Big Head 10yr anniversary hell it would be great to see Frankie beat on Ortiz ten yrs later i would watch that, then perhaps tito will go away too….
But doesnt Frank realize he has a tuff kid in Le challenging for his lime~light and if he doesnt focus on the challenge ahead he just might get beat by someone that has the skills to do so? anything could happen, i enjoy watching Frank fight but he should prepare for Le and not worry about fighting his washed up brother…. bussinessman or not he should be a fighter first…
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“rich r u knots?youre not in mma you’re in dana fucker,”
your horrifying butchering of the English Language completely reinforces my statement – “that was completely retarded”
you could have at least ended the sentance with a period..
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heh
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Ken needs to be out. . .Frank will detroy him. Worse than he beat Baroni, and Baroni can kill Ken. Time’s up for Ken & Tito fits the bill mor realistically than Ken does. I mean we all know what Tito did to Ken(all 3 times too). Plz put in Tito, I’d like to see a good fight. Not an old man flinching when his opponent raises his hand like the way Ken did to Buzz.
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Shamrock vs Ortiz… IV?… snooze.
Ken is 0-3 against Ortiz and people are talking like another match would be Shamrock/Ortiz II?!?!? I don’t see Tito as anything more than a “Gatekeeper” at this point in his career (too one-dimensional of a fighter) but he but he would run straight through Shamrock… again. Of course, Ortiz would love that match-up as it would be a walk in the park for him. 10 year anniversary? What a joke!
I agree that Shamrock should just retire. Will that happen anytime soon? I doubt it as he is obviously looking to cash in as much as he can since the sport he helped found is finally taking off and making serious money.
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Shamrock hasn’t done anything for many years now, so why would this loss to Berry make a difference??
The Frank/Ken fight would have no bearing on the world of mma, other than being a freakshow for our entertainment, so i don’t see how this or any loss would make a difference. It’s not like it was going to be for a title or something. Frank’s belt is at 185, and they were looking at fighting at 205, so….
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“Shamrock vs Ortiz… IV?… snooze.
Ken is 0-3 against Ortiz and people are talking like another match would be Shamrock/Ortiz II?!?!?”
you must have misunderstood..
no one is talking about another match between Tito and Ken.. it’s Tito vs. FRANK that’s the topic at hand.. in which case.. it would be Shamrock/Ortiz II..
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LOL… sorry, my bad.
Tito Ortiz vs Frank Shamrock II…
That makes more sense. It still wouldn’t interest me very much but it does make more sense.
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Ive said before many times, I got love for all MMA fighters, EXCEPT FRANK SHAMROCK. No matter how hard I try I cannot like the guy. Even if you dont like a fighter you should at least try to respect the fact they are fighters and they put alot on the line, sacrificing being with their family and friends to go to crazy ass hardcore training to put it on the line in front of thousands of people. I dont think any MMA fighter deserves to get booed, unless they are REALLLLLY not fighting at all, even then a crowd chant of “FIGHT!, FIGHT!, FIGHT!” would suffice. If an MMA fighter doesnt fight come fight night, he will mentally beat himself up badly afterwards anyway, the idiot crowd does not need to do that for him.
Considering all of this, I would boo Frank Shamrock, the only thing I like about him is hes a good coach, but he thinks hes the face of MMA, when in reality he hasnt fought anyone in a long time. He might have been good back in the day when everyone was still one dimensional and he was one of the few guys who had multiple tools in his toolkit, but MMA has grown much more since then and he still thinks hes the be all and end all of fighting. Consider the fact that the TOUGHEST opponent he has ever faced was Tito when Tito only had 5 fights and was still one dimensional, Tito said himself, “when I first entered the UFC I basically used my wrestling skills and skills I had learned fighting on the street”. I am not a Tito fan, I like Tito and respect what he does, but I am not a loyal fan. I can objectively state that Tito will absolutely squash Shamrock when they meet. In Shamrocks last few fights he has shown he can be taken down fairly easily (Baroni took him down with a groin injury). When Tito does this, he is now an absolute master at unleashing a furious powerful GnP attack from the guard, and will elbow Shamms face into mashed potato forcing a TKO, I dont think Shamrock will tap from strikes, he is very tough, but he will either be knocked out from elbows and punches or cut and hurt so bad he wont intelligently defend himself. Mark my words. Prediction made 30/04/08. Shamrock will be exposed as the overrated overhyped mediocre mixed martial artist he truly is.
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stop taking it all 2 serious, i,d love 2 see frank and ken fight, or tito fight 1 of them, if it wasn’t for ken shamrock i would still be watching the wwe, i’ve now got 2 appreciate such fighters as randy, chuck, royce and the home town man mike bisping, ken is a hero and a fight against his bro frank wud be great. ken wud beat him down like a bitch, ken in his heydey wud have matched anyone 2day, matches like frank n ken need 2 happen, if u want2 watch top fighters fight each other then watch ufc, but strikeforce or cage rage is the place 4 really interesting fights, i hope ken n frank goes ahead.
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