Comments on: MMA for kids? You’ve got to be kidding me! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:49:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: F Obrien http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-45186 F Obrien Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:20:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-45186 I love the sport of MMA but this is "Child Abuse". It as sick as a dog fight. And I wonder why we protect dogs better than we protect children from ignorant parents that wish to live vicariously through their kids. So much for a kinder gentler nation. Martial Art is so health for a child. MMA is like the deformed Evil twin. Age cap Please or make the parents fight it out. I love the sport of MMA but this is “Child Abuse”.

It as sick as a dog fight. And I wonder why we protect dogs better than we protect children from ignorant parents that wish to live vicariously through their kids. So much for a kinder gentler nation. Martial Art is so health for a child. MMA is like the deformed Evil twin. Age cap Please or make the parents fight it out.

]]> By: david http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-40022 david Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:05:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-40022 Honestly this is completely outrageous and stupid, As a parent I would never even consider MMA for kids. It promotes violence as well as agressivnes. If you want to show discipline and respect to a child the age of 4, MMA is not the way. I would honestly ban this sport for children and teens. Everything is fine and dandy until its your kid laying in a hospital table. PLEASE KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF THIS HORRIFIC SPORT Honestly this is completely outrageous and stupid,
As a parent I would never even consider MMA for kids. It promotes violence as well as agressivnes. If you want to show discipline and respect to a child the age of 4, MMA is not the way. I would honestly ban this sport for children and teens. Everything is fine and dandy until its your kid laying in a hospital table. PLEASE KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF THIS HORRIFIC SPORT

]]> By: MMA Chump http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-33298 MMA Chump Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:32:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-33298 Are you kidding? Why the fuss? My friend is a boxer and when he had amateur fights, the ages went all the way down to 10 or so. Where was the fuss then? Now because it's national? Are you kidding? Why the fuss? My friend is a boxer and when he had amateur fights, the ages went all the way down to 10 or so. Where was the fuss then?

Now because it’s national?

]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-22200 Matt Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:09:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-22200 Once again, after almost 70 comments, has anyone looked up the actual numbers? Is there a trail of broken munchkins left in the wake of kids mma? Should they be doing things that are safe like cheerleading, gymnastics, Football, wrestling or hockey? I actually did. In general, the Journal of Science and Sport says" "The findings of the present study do not provide evidence that combat sports have alarmingly high rates of injuries resulting in emergency department visits." and specifically, "The lower knockout rates in MMA compared to boxing may help prevent brain injury in MMA events. " But the rest of the literature including Children's Hospital Boston, the CDC, Consumer Reports, Pediatrics Journal, CTSafekids, and many others have plenty to say about the dangers of gymnastics, boxing, football, hockey, basketball, and other 'safe, traditional' sports that people mindlessly recommend to kids on regular occasions. I thought this was a poorly researched, knee-jerk reaction festival of jumping to conclusions. Maybe actual research might help. I've linked to many of the articles I mention at my blog, kempoinfo.com. Once again, after almost 70 comments, has anyone looked up the actual numbers? Is there a trail of broken munchkins left in the wake of kids mma? Should they be doing things that are safe like cheerleading, gymnastics, Football, wrestling or hockey?

I actually did.

In general, the Journal of Science and Sport says”

“The findings of the present study do not provide evidence that combat sports have alarmingly high rates of injuries resulting in emergency department visits.”

and specifically,

“The lower knockout rates in MMA compared to boxing may help prevent brain injury in MMA events. ”

But the rest of the literature including Children’s Hospital Boston, the CDC, Consumer Reports, Pediatrics Journal, CTSafekids, and many others have plenty to say about the dangers of gymnastics, boxing, football, hockey, basketball, and other ’safe, traditional’ sports that people mindlessly recommend to kids on regular occasions.

I thought this was a poorly researched, knee-jerk reaction festival of jumping to conclusions. Maybe actual research might help. I’ve linked to many of the articles I mention at my blog, kempoinfo.com.

]]> By: Donn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21603 Donn Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:57:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21603 Just want to give a nod to Mike Wolfe/Kelvin. The MMA community continues to steam roll its' opposition with the bandwagon mentality. I believe kids should hold off(note that I said .kids. it should be the kids choice whether he likes the activity or not). A person should train and learn techniques, but not participate in actual full contact competition until atleast 16 if they decide they want to do it, given the obvious potential of damage(not just from head trauma as some of the crusaders are raving about, but other areas that are still growing that could potentially be damaged.). I would probably limit it to no strikes to the head competition, and remove the more damaging strikes such as knees/elbows as well. I don't see the problem with light competitions/contests if the .kid. wants to do it, it's properly supervised. The biggest risk here is damaging of joints/head trauma, so limit those areas, supervise it, and I could see light competitions, or if you don't want to go that far, just light sparring. But of course, I expect this post to go ablaze in at most an hour, as any opinion not popular with the mma majority is doomed to be razed. But I've already given my stance, just playing Devil's Advocate. Just want to give a nod to Mike Wolfe/Kelvin. The MMA community continues to steam roll its’ opposition with the bandwagon mentality. I believe kids should hold off(note that I said .kids. it should be the kids choice whether he likes the activity or not). A person should train and learn techniques, but not participate in actual full contact competition until atleast 16 if they decide they want to do it, given the obvious potential of damage(not just from head trauma as some of the crusaders are raving about, but other areas that are still growing that could potentially be damaged.). I would probably limit it to no strikes to the head competition, and remove the more damaging strikes such as knees/elbows as well. I don’t see the problem with light competitions/contests if the .kid. wants to do it, it’s properly supervised. The biggest risk here is damaging of joints/head trauma, so limit those areas, supervise it, and I could see light competitions, or if you don’t want to go that far, just light sparring.

But of course, I expect this post to go ablaze in at most an hour, as any opinion not popular with the mma majority is doomed to be razed. But I’ve already given my stance, just playing Devil’s Advocate.

]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21488 HexRei Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:25:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21488 Rich: <b>“training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn’t make much sense” i don’t remember touching on that.. i don’t think i mentioned having a submission match with headgear..</b> Well, you did say: <b>oh.. and i LOOOOVED how as soon as Dana said “these kids are wearing headgear” it showed the little black kid in the inverted triangle WITHOUT HEADGEAR!!!</b> maybe you were just pointing out the timing of white's comment within the film then? Rich:
“training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn’t make much sense”

i don’t remember touching on that..

i don’t think i mentioned having a submission match with headgear..

Well, you did say:

oh.. and i LOOOOVED how as soon as Dana said “these kids are wearing headgear” it showed the little black kid in the inverted triangle WITHOUT HEADGEAR!!!

maybe you were just pointing out the timing of white’s comment within the film then?

]]> By: Atom http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21465 Atom Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:51:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21465 This is a good debate. :-). I think everyone has a good arguement, but most seem to be split between discussing the video clip above (past) and the rather different matter of how MMA training/competition should be for kids. Im sure as fans / parents we like to see kids gain the skills and knowledge of BJJ, wrestling, kicks and punches. Im sure not everyone here wants to see kids injured or want to pay to watch juniors MMA events. #33 DocWagner nips it in the bud This is a good debate. :-).

I think everyone has a good arguement, but most seem to be split between discussing the video clip above (past) and the rather different matter of how MMA training/competition should be for kids.

Im sure as fans / parents we like to see kids gain the skills and knowledge of BJJ, wrestling, kicks and punches.

Im sure not everyone here wants to see kids injured or want to pay to watch juniors MMA events.

#33 DocWagner nips it in the bud

]]> By: THORAZINE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21464 THORAZINE Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:08:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21464 MMA for kids IMO depends on rule changes. EX: disallowing knee blows, elbow strikes, shorten mintues per round, a point system that would end the fight instead of letting it continue… referee must end a bout if a submission is secured versus waiting for a kid to tap out or if GnP has reached a dominating mode, removing the cage and just using a mat. Something along these lines to make it safer. I don’t think the idea of MMA competition is all bad for kids, it’s the rule changes they must put in place to make it safer and more acceptable on top of the protective gear. Should grade school kids be allowed to do this?…. IMO, definitely not in it’s current state of competition rules. Am I going to catch shit from all of you for saying this?…lol I assume so. MMA for kids IMO depends on rule changes. EX: disallowing knee blows, elbow strikes, shorten mintues per round, a point system that would end the fight instead of letting it continue… referee must end a bout if a submission is secured versus waiting for a kid to tap out or if GnP has reached a dominating mode, removing the cage and just using a mat. Something along these lines to make it safer. I don’t think the idea of MMA competition is all bad for kids, it’s the rule changes they must put in place to make it safer and more acceptable on top of the protective gear.

Should grade school kids be allowed to do this?…. IMO, definitely not in it’s current state of competition rules.

Am I going to catch shit from all of you for saying this?…lol I assume so.

]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21462 Rich S. Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:35:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21462 "training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn’t make much sense" i don't remember touching on that.. i don't think i mentioned having a submission match with headgear.. “training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn’t make much sense”

i don’t remember touching on that..

i don’t think i mentioned having a submission match with headgear..

]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21457 HexRei Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:03:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/03/31/mma-for-kids-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me/#comment-21457 Rich, re: your earlier comments, training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn't make much sense. a triangle is totally different when worked on a guy wearing headgear, and since strikes aren't an issue headgear isn't necessary. i don't see what the big issue is, i and a lot of other kids did karate and although i didnt wrestle i know lots of people who did. It's not that different. the gist of the positive comments i read here were in favor of training with safety gear under educated professional instructors. there were six year olds in my karate class. Rich, re: your earlier comments, training submission grappling sans strikes while wearing headgear doesn’t make much sense. a triangle is totally different when worked on a guy wearing headgear, and since strikes aren’t an issue headgear isn’t necessary.
i don’t see what the big issue is, i and a lot of other kids did karate and although i didnt wrestle i know lots of people who did. It’s not that different. the gist of the positive comments i read here were in favor of training with safety gear under educated professional instructors. there were six year olds in my karate class.

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