Comments on: Chuck Liddell has words for Kimbo Slice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Rhys http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-24744 Rhys Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:56:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-24744 ctownhood. Chucks second opponent actually was a very skilled tough kickboxer with some good ground. He was in his prime at the time Chuck fought him, and went on to fight in Pride a few times and did pretty well. Compared to Kimbo, this is gold. ctownhood. Chucks second opponent actually was a very skilled tough kickboxer with some good ground. He was in his prime at the time Chuck fought him, and went on to fight in Pride a few times and did pretty well. Compared to Kimbo, this is gold.

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]]> By: Rhys http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-24743 Rhys Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:33:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-24743 If Chuck did post a bunch of videos on youtube of him knocking out random people, boy would he be popular If Chuck did post a bunch of videos on youtube of him knocking out random people, boy would he be popular

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]]> By: Rhys http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-24742 Rhys Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:28:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-24742 Kimbo Slice Vs Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell Reach advantage: Chuck Knockout power: Either fighter could knock the other out with one clean shot. Experience: Chuck Takedowns: Chuck Takedown defense: Chuck Submission: Chuck Submission defense: Chuck Chin: Kimbos was knocked out cold by Forrest Griffin in a SPARRING session, so Chuck. Heart: Both Cardio: The same Verdict: Chuck Chuck Liddell's martial arts background: Chuck was born a fighter. He started Koei Kan Karate (a form of full contact karate) at age 12. He started wrestling at age 16, eventually becoming captain of his D-1 wrestling team at San Louis Obispo, California. He eventually started training with John Hackleman in his late teens, based on Hacklemans local reputation as an extremely talented boxer and kickboxer. Chuck initially competed in boxing and kickboxing, winning many kickboxing and boxing tournaments during this time, all this time training with John Hackleman. He eventually entered MMA a few years later, making it into the UFC shortly after, and the rest is history. Kimbo Slice's martial arts background: Kimbo Slice has been training MMA with fighting legend Bas 'El Guapo' Rutten for the past 18 months or so, after engaging in many street fights which posted on youtube, giving him popularity. Verdict: Chuck Chucks MMA experience: Has fought and beat some of the toughest guys in the MMA world. Wanderlei, Babalu, Ortiz, Couture, Horn, White, Monson, Randleman, Mezger, Overeem. Very experienced and seasoned to fighting the best in the world. Kimbo's MMA experience: Kimbo has fought noone with any credibility. Verdict: Chuck OK, biased opinion time. Chuck is better then Kimbo Slice. He has fought much tougher guys, is more versatile, he has very good counter punching, something which will work against Kimbo. He also has excellent wrestling and will be able to take Kimbo down with ease if Kimbo manages to clip him. Based on Chucks last fight with Wandy he is very skilled at keeping a good distance on his opponents. From this distance he will jab away at Kimbo and regularly fire off huge overhand rights, batter Kimbos legs with kicks, limit Kimbos footwork go for head kicks occassionly, and go for a couple of takedowns and use some GnP to soften Kimbo up, if he used a mixed bag of mixed martial arts (boxing, kickboxing and wrestling) Kimbo will have absolutely no hope, KIMBO WILL GO DOOOOOOWWWWWWWNNN!!!! The only way I see Kimbo have a punchers chance is if Chuck becomes too proud and gets inside with Kimbo and participated in an active slugfest. However even if this occurred I would see Chucks solid chin prevailing. Sorry Kimbo nuthuggers, he has no hope. Kimbo Slice Vs Chuck “The Iceman” Liddell

Reach advantage: Chuck
Knockout power: Either fighter could knock the other out with one clean shot.
Experience: Chuck
Takedowns: Chuck
Takedown defense: Chuck
Submission: Chuck
Submission defense: Chuck
Chin: Kimbos was knocked out cold by Forrest Griffin in a SPARRING session, so Chuck.
Heart: Both
Cardio: The same

Verdict: Chuck

Chuck Liddell’s martial arts background: Chuck was born a fighter. He started Koei Kan Karate (a form of full contact karate) at age 12. He started wrestling at age 16, eventually becoming captain of his D-1 wrestling team at San Louis Obispo, California. He eventually started training with John Hackleman in his late teens, based on Hacklemans local reputation as an extremely talented boxer and kickboxer. Chuck initially competed in boxing and kickboxing, winning many kickboxing and boxing tournaments during this time, all this time training with John Hackleman. He eventually entered MMA a few years later, making it into the UFC shortly after, and the rest is history.

Kimbo Slice’s martial arts background: Kimbo Slice has been training MMA with fighting legend Bas ‘El Guapo’ Rutten for the past 18 months or so, after engaging in many street fights which posted on youtube, giving him popularity.

Verdict: Chuck

Chucks MMA experience: Has fought and beat some of the toughest guys in the MMA world. Wanderlei, Babalu, Ortiz, Couture, Horn, White, Monson, Randleman, Mezger, Overeem. Very experienced and seasoned to fighting the best in the world.

Kimbo’s MMA experience: Kimbo has fought noone with any credibility.

Verdict: Chuck

OK, biased opinion time.

Chuck is better then Kimbo Slice. He has fought much tougher guys, is more versatile, he has very good counter punching, something which will work against Kimbo. He also has excellent wrestling and will be able to take Kimbo down with ease if Kimbo manages to clip him. Based on Chucks last fight with Wandy he is very skilled at keeping a good distance on his opponents. From this distance he will jab away at Kimbo and regularly fire off huge overhand rights, batter Kimbos legs with kicks, limit Kimbos footwork go for head kicks occassionly, and go for a couple of takedowns and use some GnP to soften Kimbo up, if he used a mixed bag of mixed martial arts (boxing, kickboxing and wrestling) Kimbo will have absolutely no hope, KIMBO WILL GO DOOOOOOWWWWWWWNNN!!!!

The only way I see Kimbo have a punchers chance is if Chuck becomes too proud and gets inside with Kimbo and participated in an active slugfest. However even if this occurred I would see Chucks solid chin prevailing.

Sorry Kimbo nuthuggers, he has no hope.

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]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-22816 jason hughes Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:27:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-22816 what is mike#12 talking about? youre comparing fedor and kimbo, you have no buisness doing that. and who ever said fedor wasnt the best any more. makes no sense at all. what is mike#12 talking about? youre comparing fedor and kimbo, you have no buisness doing that. and who ever said fedor wasnt the best any more. makes no sense at all.

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]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-22776 jason hughes Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:01:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-22776 kimbo will probably never be the greatest fighter ever but he could end up being respectable and you have to start somewhere. i dont think chuck was the best thing ever when he started and to tell ya truth i dont think he has exactly been tearing it up lately. he been talking a lot though and some of it worries me. bashing fedor is funny because if they could fight open weight right now chuck would be fighting the rest of his career from a wheelchair.kimbos internet fights were on the up and up so i have no problems with that , but if chuck wants to go around and just beat people up he would just eventually probably fuck with the wrong type of person and chuck would be no more. kimbo will probably never be the greatest fighter ever but he could end up being respectable and you have to start somewhere. i dont think chuck was the best thing ever when he started and to tell ya truth i dont think he has exactly been tearing it up lately. he been talking a lot though and some of it worries me. bashing fedor is funny because if they could fight open weight right now chuck would be fighting the rest of his career from a wheelchair.kimbos internet fights were on the up and up so i have no problems with that , but if chuck wants to go around and just beat people up he would just eventually probably fuck with the wrong type of person and chuck would be no more.

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]]> By: Kim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-22765 Kim Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:57:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-22765 You tube or not, he's knocking out suckers. :) You tube or not, he’s knocking out suckers. :)

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]]> By: Kim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-22763 Kim Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:56:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-22763 Chuck Liddell vs Kimbo Slice. Kimbo. Just knocked out Tank Abbott face first on the canvas. In the first round, you suckers can sleep on Kimbo if you want too. Chuck Liddell vs Kimbo Slice. Kimbo. Just knocked out Tank Abbott face first on the canvas. In the first round, you suckers can sleep on Kimbo if you want too.

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]]> By: Chuck http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21667 Chuck Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:50:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21667 whoops! lmao .... 16 and 17 ... whoops! lmao …. 16 and 17 …

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]]> By: Chuck http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21666 Chuck Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21666 lmao ..... 16 and 16 ... hi-F'in-larious !! lmao ….. 16 and 16 … hi-F’in-larious !!

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]]> By: ctownhood http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21650 ctownhood Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:22:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21650 Chuck got KTFO'd by Rampage....I'm pretty sure Kimbo hits harder that Quinton. I like too how Chuck is criticizing Kimbo fighting cans so far. Know who his first 2 fights were against? Was it top quality opponents? Couture? Randleman? Try Noe Hernandez and Jose Landi-Jons. Yeah..never heard of them either. His 3rd opponent was a big step up in Jeremy Horn. And Chuck got triangled. Yes, the hype machine on Slice is huge, but it's not his fault. I think he's going to turn out to be more well rounded than he gets credit for, we just have to be patient. He'll face tougher fighters in the near future. Chuck got KTFO’d by Rampage….I’m pretty sure Kimbo hits harder that Quinton. I like too how Chuck is criticizing Kimbo fighting cans so far. Know who his first 2 fights were against? Was it top quality opponents? Couture? Randleman? Try Noe Hernandez and Jose Landi-Jons. Yeah..never heard of them either. His 3rd opponent was a big step up in Jeremy Horn. And Chuck got triangled. Yes, the hype machine on Slice is huge, but it’s not his fault. I think he’s going to turn out to be more well rounded than he gets credit for, we just have to be patient. He’ll face tougher fighters in the near future.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21630 king mah mah Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:45:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21630 Chuck would own kimbo with a knockout! It's that simple. Chuck is upset because a street brawler is getting credit without any legitimate fights under his belt. Chuck would own kimbo with a knockout! It’s that simple. Chuck is upset because a street brawler is getting credit without any legitimate fights under his belt.

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21626 Fight Fan Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:48:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21626 You just said Chuck thinks that Kimbo's overrated but Chuck's wrong and Kimbo's overrated. I don't know Adam Morgan but you confused me. P.S. Your both right Kimbo hasn't and wont fight a good grappler for a while. Its a farce until he does. It's not K1 or boxing it's MMA. You just said Chuck thinks that Kimbo’s overrated but Chuck’s wrong and Kimbo’s overrated.
I don’t know Adam Morgan but you confused me.
P.S. Your both right Kimbo hasn’t and wont fight a good grappler for a while. Its a farce until he does. It’s not K1 or boxing it’s MMA.

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]]> By: Joe Daddy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21615 Joe Daddy Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:29:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21615 Zack, don't feel bad. Sam doesn't like anyone to contradict him. I don't think you deserved the response he gave you but that just my opinion. Zack, don’t feel bad. Sam doesn’t like anyone to contradict him. I don’t think you deserved the response he gave you but that just my opinion.

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21614 Zack Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:53:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21614 Sam - I wasn't trying to tell you what to think/say/do - I was just disagreeing, and by disagreeing pointing to why I think Chuck is upset. Not sure why you had to go scorched earth on me. Sam – I wasn’t trying to tell you what to think/say/do – I was just disagreeing, and by disagreeing pointing to why I think Chuck is upset.

Not sure why you had to go scorched earth on me.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21611 HexRei Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:44:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21611 ...because your argument in that paragraph basically boils down to "EliteXC is promoting him heavily, so he must have groundgame". Which makes no sense. It doesn't matter if he's the biggest superstar in the world, his ground game is still totally unproven and given the relatively short amount of time he's been training it (what, a year or two?) and the fact that he didn't start training it seriously until he was past age thirty i'm betting it's still pretty rudimentary. Don't be misled, EliteXC has made him a superstar cause he MAKES THEM MONEY. Not because he's the best fighter in the world or something. …because your argument in that paragraph basically boils down to “EliteXC is promoting him heavily, so he must have groundgame”. Which makes no sense.

It doesn’t matter if he’s the biggest superstar in the world, his ground game is still totally unproven and given the relatively short amount of time he’s been training it (what, a year or two?) and the fact that he didn’t start training it seriously until he was past age thirty i’m betting it’s still pretty rudimentary.

Don’t be misled, EliteXC has made him a superstar cause he MAKES THEM MONEY. Not because he’s the best fighter in the world or something.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21609 Rich S. Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:56:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21609 "Comedy gold, man. Comedy gold." how so...? “Comedy gold, man. Comedy gold.”

how so…?

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21601 Jye Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:19:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21601 HexRei. Come on man, you can't knock Rutten's ground game, you don't get to be a two time king of Pancrase for nothing. I saw the exhibition match against Mercer and Kimbo's ground game was sloppy at best and the guillotine that he pulled would not work on any decent HW. No doubt it has probably improved a lot since then but Kimbo really needs to avoid anyone with good wrestling for a while...... someone like ricco rodriguez would wipe the floor with him HexRei.
Come on man, you can’t knock Rutten’s ground game, you don’t get to be a two time king of Pancrase for nothing. I saw the exhibition match against Mercer and Kimbo’s ground game was sloppy at best and the guillotine that he pulled would not work on any decent HW. No doubt it has probably improved a lot since then but Kimbo really needs to avoid anyone with good wrestling for a while…… someone like ricco rodriguez would wipe the floor with him

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21599 HexRei Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:04:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21599 And Rich, this is just a gem of reasoning: <b>that’s why i’m so confident.. i know we haven’t seen his ground work.. much.. but.. he’s supposed to the EXC’s biggest superstar.. how is the biggest superstar of an organization going to be 1 dimentional..</b> Comedy gold, man. Comedy gold. And Rich, this is just a gem of reasoning:
that’s why i’m so confident.. i know we haven’t seen his ground work.. much.. but.. he’s supposed to the EXC’s biggest superstar.. how is the biggest superstar of an organization going to be 1 dimentional..
Comedy gold, man. Comedy gold.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21598 HexRei Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:03:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21598 We'll see. I'm not going to accept that he has a good ground game just cause he works with Mayhem. Bas doesn't even rate really imho, he had some simple subs early in his Pancrase career but didn't prove to be that great of a ground player when the game began evolving. I'm not counting him out but you are completely speculating at this point. For all we know his groundgame still sucks. It's not like he just absorbs groundskill by being in the vicinity of Miller and Rutten. We’ll see. I’m not going to accept that he has a good ground game just cause he works with Mayhem. Bas doesn’t even rate really imho, he had some simple subs early in his Pancrase career but didn’t prove to be that great of a ground player when the game began evolving.
I’m not counting him out but you are completely speculating at this point. For all we know his groundgame still sucks. It’s not like he just absorbs groundskill by being in the vicinity of Miller and Rutten.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-21596 Rich S. Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:46:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/01/chuck-liddell-has-words-for-kimbo-slice/#comment-21596 #29, read #25, if you're working with guys like mayhem and bas.. you're not just going to be training strictly boxing.. and i liked his ground work in his fight with ray mercer.. it didn't look like the work of a GnP expert.. but for his first actual MMA fight.. it was good.. and you know it's only gotten better.. if you're being built up in an organization.. you can't just hope that every single fighter is going to stand with you.. i mean, he hasn't had to worry w/ BO or TANK.. but eventually they're gonna give him a sub'ist.. or at least a wrestler.. and he's gonna have to know his shit.. that's why i'm so confident.. i know we haven't seen his ground work.. much.. but.. he's supposed to the EXC's biggest superstar.. how is the biggest superstar of an organization going to be 1 dimentional.. #29,

read #25,
if you’re working with guys like mayhem and bas.. you’re not just going to be training strictly boxing..

and i liked his ground work in his fight with ray mercer.. it didn’t look like the work of a GnP expert.. but for his first actual MMA fight.. it was good.. and you know it’s only gotten better.. if you’re being built up in an organization.. you can’t just hope that every single fighter is going to stand with you.. i mean, he hasn’t had to worry w/ BO or TANK.. but eventually they’re gonna give him a sub’ist.. or at least a wrestler.. and he’s gonna have to know his shit..

that’s why i’m so confident.. i know we haven’t seen his ground work.. much.. but.. he’s supposed to the EXC’s biggest superstar.. how is the biggest superstar of an organization going to be 1 dimentional..

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