Comments on: Open Discussion: Fair or Foul? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Cyk1 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22498 Cyk1 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:08:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22498 I don't like it but we don't know what went down before the fight. There could have been some words. I just don't think Manny would do this just to be a dick. I don’t like it but we don’t know what went down before the fight. There could have been some words. I just don’t think Manny would do this just to be a dick.

]]> By: matador http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22488 matador Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:34:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22488 ironic how at the Babalu situation with Heath, Babalu threw his hat into the crowd and Manny threw it back in disgust, and he ends up doing this. ironic how at the Babalu situation with Heath, Babalu threw his hat into the crowd and Manny threw it back in disgust, and he ends up doing this.

]]> By: islandguy666 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22481 islandguy666 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:53:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22481 It's partly the risk of getting hit that makes touching gloves at that moment a very sportsmanlike gesture... but yeah. funny to throw that useless kick at that point.. why not just throw a left hook and ko him if you're going to cheat? Guy is an animal anyhow. no use looking for logic... It’s partly the risk of getting hit that makes touching gloves at that moment a very sportsmanlike gesture… but yeah. funny to throw that useless kick at that point.. why not just throw a left hook and ko him if you’re going to cheat? Guy is an animal anyhow. no use looking for logic…

]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22472 Fight Fan Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:18:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22472 He should be booed for the rest of his career. Its not cheating but dirty unfair and cheap. I'm not into all this glove touching and hugging at the end of a fight but pretending that you are and then kicking is just low. He will regret it in future. He should be booed for the rest of his career.
Its not cheating but dirty unfair and cheap.
I’m not into all this glove touching and hugging at the end of a fight but pretending that you are and then kicking is just low.
He will regret it in future.

]]> By: THORAZINE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22465 THORAZINE Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:45:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22465 It was a cheap shot, nothing clever about it... he should have just thrown a punch while touching gloves and KO'd him in 4 seconds. It was a cheap shot, nothing clever about it… he should have just thrown a punch while touching gloves and KO’d him in 4 seconds.

]]> By: Kogepan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22464 Kogepan Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:00:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22464 They should kick him out of the UFC like they did with babalu. Totally classless. Pretending to show sportmanship only to throw a kick is just cheap. They should kick him out of the UFC like they did with babalu.

Totally classless.

Pretending to show sportmanship only to throw a kick is just cheap.

]]> By: Sway http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22462 Sway Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:18:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22462 The growing sentiment here is that it was cheap but legal. I wholeheartedly agree. Many of you have already pointed out the facts, so I won't reiterate what's already been said. The fact is, Manny deserves to lose respect from fans and fighters alike, and if UFC management wants to maintain its growing image of legitimacy they need to punish him. Sure it seems like a small offence, but if it can stir the pot around internet forums I can only imagine that other fighters are talking about it. I feel bad for Jeff Cox, who subsequently got manhandled by Manny. If only he had beat Manny we might have seen a real fighter show some class. The growing sentiment here is that it was cheap but legal. I wholeheartedly agree. Many of you have already pointed out the facts, so I won’t reiterate what’s already been said. The fact is, Manny deserves to lose respect from fans and fighters alike, and if UFC management wants to maintain its growing image of legitimacy they need to punish him. Sure it seems like a small offence, but if it can stir the pot around internet forums I can only imagine that other fighters are talking about it. I feel bad for Jeff Cox, who subsequently got manhandled by Manny. If only he had beat Manny we might have seen a real fighter show some class.

]]> By: pitbull17 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22460 pitbull17 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:54:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22460 Fair our foul should not even be in question. It just shows that manny shouldn't be respected, that was pretty much classless. I thought on the show that he was a douchebag and that pretty much confirms my thinking. He should have never put his hand out there if he was just gonna throw a cheap kick like that. I agree with #7 also, I think he and karo are poor sports. Fair our foul should not even be in question. It just shows that manny shouldn’t be respected, that was pretty much classless. I thought on the show that he was a douchebag and that pretty much confirms my thinking. He should have never put his hand out there if he was just gonna throw a cheap kick like that. I agree with #7 also, I think he and karo are poor sports.

]]> By: islandguy666 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22453 islandguy666 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:51:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22453 It's legal. Cheap but legal. If you ever see they way they do that touch sometimes... very gingerly and from very far away... they all know it. It’s legal. Cheap but legal. If you ever see they way they do that touch sometimes… very gingerly and from very far away… they all know it.

]]> By: Jiu-Jitsu Guy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22437 Jiu-Jitsu Guy Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:21:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22437 CHEAP. Shows Manny is a loser with no character. CHEAP. Shows Manny is a loser with no character.

]]> By: jjdnb http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22429 jjdnb Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:31:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22429 Absolutely Fair. Once the bell rings there should be no handshaking, congratulating, hugging, kissing, dapping, winking, blowing in each others ears, oral or even anal sex. We dont want another Frank Shamrock in there putting on an acting class instead of fighting. The fighters touch up before the fight when the referree goes over the rules, why do they have to touch up again at the begining of the fight or at every round. Totally unnecisary. Absolutely Fair.
Once the bell rings there should be no handshaking, congratulating, hugging, kissing, dapping, winking, blowing in each others ears, oral or even anal sex.

We dont want another Frank Shamrock in there putting on an acting class instead of fighting.
The fighters touch up before the fight when the referree goes over the rules, why do they have to touch up again at the begining of the fight or at every round. Totally unnecisary.

]]> By: Fujin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22422 Fujin Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:15:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22422 Totally fair but a dick move. A training partner was fighting on an amateur card about a year ago. In one of the fights before his, one of the fighter raised his hand to touch gloves then shot in a double as soon as the other fighter put his hand up. He got booed pretty bad. Totally fair but a dick move.

A training partner was fighting on an amateur card about a year ago. In one of the fights before his, one of the fighter raised his hand to touch gloves then shot in a double as soon as the other fighter put his hand up. He got booed pretty bad.

]]> By: Warrior Poet NY http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22419 Warrior Poet NY Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:07:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22419 Manny doesn't realize that a fighter is more than just his W column. Stunts like this will only hurt is reputation and fan base. That can only translate into lower purse money being offered in his future fights. And let's be honest, money is the biggest gripe fighters have, and he's only giving reasons to be paid minimally. I say it's a cheap shot- not something a man with any respect would pull. I liked Manny- but I can't root for someone I don't respect as a man. Manny doesn’t realize that a fighter is more than just his W column. Stunts like this will only hurt is reputation and fan base. That can only translate into lower purse money being offered in his future fights. And let’s be honest, money is the biggest gripe fighters have, and he’s only giving reasons to be paid minimally.

I say it’s a cheap shot- not something a man with any respect would pull. I liked Manny- but I can’t root for someone I don’t respect as a man.

]]> By: Andy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22411 Andy Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:31:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22411 This is the kind of crap that gets MMA in trouble. When jackasses like Manny do stupid shit like this, it gives all the MMA dissidents ammunition. MMA is still fighting for legitimacy and this isn't the kind attention that will put a positive perception into people's minds. If you don't want to touch gloves don't but taking cheap shots like that just makes MMA fighters look like neanderthals. This is the kind of crap that gets MMA in trouble. When jackasses like Manny do stupid shit like this, it gives all the MMA dissidents ammunition. MMA is still fighting for legitimacy and this isn’t the kind attention that will put a positive perception into people’s minds. If you don’t want to touch gloves don’t but taking cheap shots like that just makes MMA fighters look like neanderthals.

]]> By: DumbOut! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22394 DumbOut! Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:50:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22394 It's not illegal, but its cheap! Manny the midget should be ashamed! It’s not illegal, but its cheap! Manny the midget should be ashamed!

]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22393 Michael Huckaby Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:50:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22393 I think a sorely absent fact here is that he did this against Jeff Cox. No disrespect to Jeff Cox, but he is Jeff Cox. If Manny has to take this kind of advantage against Jeff Cox what's he going to have to do to BJ Penn? Shank him? I think a sorely absent fact here is that he did this against Jeff Cox. No disrespect to Jeff Cox, but he is Jeff Cox. If Manny has to take this kind of advantage against Jeff Cox what’s he going to have to do to BJ Penn? Shank him?

]]> By: recently.reaped http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22390 recently.reaped Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:44:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22390 I agree with these two sentiments, either raise your hand and touch gloves or keep'em down and show you wanna fight. # 4 ray Says: April 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm I think it was a very dirty thing to do. I don’t have a problem with fighters not touching gloves but to act as if you are and then throw the kick at the last second is just a cowardly tactic in my opinion. # 5 Kyle S. Says: April 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm I agree that touching gloves is not mandatory, but if you put your hand up like you are going to, and then throw a kick.. thats just a cheap shot in my opinion.. He’s a classless punk, and Ive lost all respect for him. I agree with these two sentiments, either raise your hand and touch gloves or keep’em down and show you wanna fight.

# 4 ray Says:
April 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I think it was a very dirty thing to do. I don’t have a problem with fighters not touching gloves but to act as if you are and then throw the kick at the last second is just a cowardly tactic in my opinion.

# 5 Kyle S. Says:
April 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I agree that touching gloves is not mandatory, but if you put your hand up like you are going to, and then throw a kick.. thats just a cheap shot in my opinion.. He’s a classless punk, and Ive lost all respect for him.

]]> By: hindsightufuk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22388 hindsightufuk Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:35:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22388 how funny if this question had been asked in the early days of ufc. anything goes, no holds barred, knockout, submission or DEATH!!etc and now its awww he went to touch gloves and then kicked him. unsportsmanship sure, but its fucking fighting isnt it? personally i wouldnt do and unless someone gains a huge advantage from doing it, it doesnt matter. just a cheap shot eh? how funny if this question had been asked in the early days of ufc.
anything goes, no holds barred, knockout, submission or DEATH!!etc and now its awww he went to touch gloves and then kicked him. unsportsmanship sure, but its fucking fighting isnt it?

personally i wouldnt do and unless someone gains a huge advantage from doing it, it doesnt matter. just a cheap shot eh?

]]> By: JohnnyRev http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22387 JohnnyRev Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:31:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22387 PUNK! that sums it up ... no other way to put it ...Manny is a PUNK... man him and Diaz are a pair of no class thugs ... i wish they both would go away .. PUNK! that sums it up … no other way to put it …Manny is a PUNK… man him and Diaz are a pair of no class thugs … i wish they both would go away ..

]]> By: Jay K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/comment-page-1/#comment-22384 Jay K. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:24:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/08/open-discussion-fair-or-foul/#comment-22384 C) It does show a lack of class but you don’t have to touch gloves and he has every right to do that if he wishes. Yup, it was a dick-move on Manvel's part, but it's game time and the opposition should respond accordingly. He was very classless. C) It does show a lack of class but you don’t have to touch gloves and he has every right to do that if he wishes.

Yup, it was a dick-move on Manvel’s part, but it’s game time and the opposition should respond accordingly.

He was very classless.

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