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Dave Meltzer on why GSP vs. Silva is a bad idea

Dave Meltzer weighs in on what’s ahead for Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva should they continue to win as well as how well he thinks the UFC would do at Olympic Stadium in Montreal should they hold a potential GSP vs. Silva fight there in the future:

If St. Pierre and Anderson Silva keep winning, they do gigantic at the stadium, but if it was me, that’s a fight I wouldn’t book even though it would do huge business. In the long run, you don’t want to put your top stars in with people that much bigger, because that’s what Pride did with Sakuraba. Having been around both, there is a huge size difference between the two. St. Pierre doesn’t seem like he wants to make the move, but if it’s pressured on him, I think he’d do it. Problem is Silva doesn’t want to move to 205 and is running out of opponents.

I have never seen GSP and Silva side by side or even in the same picture as the other so I really have no reference as to their relative size. Is Meltzer talking about Silva’s length, his height, his build? GSP’s build looks much larger than Silva’s but Silva’s got a much larger and lanky frame. Either way, what’s wrong with having these guys in a one-off fight at a catch weight with no titles on the line?

41 COMMENTS
  • revjames13 says:

    This fight won’t happen. It’s like Chuck fighting Fedor. Please… But if it can make a buck you never know. Kind of loses its flair once BJ submits him, or GSP can be smart like Randy and not fight his Nog.

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  • RT says:

    I like this fight and they should do it a 177lbs. Because both guys would be cutting from a similar size. I think this fight would be very competitive, and generate al ot of money.

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  • slimm says:

    what revjames13 if nobody puts their titles up and its at a catch weight how could it hurt, i believe it would be one of the biggest fight ever, amd what does Chuck fighting Fedor and Bj subbing (him) have to do with GSP v Anderson Silva anyways i would really enjoy this fight and i think its the best competition for the both of them right now….. as well as answering Sam’s problem of figuring out who is the #1 p4p in the world, enjoy cheers…..

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  • Ronin says:

    Dave Meltzer who cares what he thinks? First this guy is a very bad writer.
    Second he’s been writing for years use to read his crap in Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazine back in the early 90’s, I remebered when he first started.
    He was an idiot then and not much has changed, except he covering MMA.

    Sam Caplan is a far better writer by leaps and bounds and has way better insight.
    Dave Meltzer assumes too much and sees things in a narrow prism.

    How did this guy get a job with Yahoo? they are setting the bar really low when they hire someone like him.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    I think you’ll find GSP will push for this fight and anderson silva will agree. I’ll take GSP for the win because his wrestling is through the roof and I don’t think Silva could submit him. Please let it happen.

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  • hindsightufuk says:

    while watching the Serra fight i was thinking id love to see gsp vs silva, it could be an awesome fight

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  • Echolocating says:

    I think it’s something to consider after GSP defends his title a few more times, but a little premature to imagine it happening now. However, I think having fighters from different weight classes face each other to determine who is the best pound-for-pound fighter is retarded. There’s such an obvious advantage for the larger opponent. I always thought pound-for-pound rankings were about dominance within one’s weight division, but I guess if BJ Penn wants to prove he’s the best, he has to beat the top heavy weight? Obviously that’s a huge stretch, but GSP vs. Silva requires some stretching too.

    That said, GSP has an amazing way of beating fighters at their own game… would he put a Muay Thai clinch on Silva and knee him in to submission? ;-)

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  • Grape Knee High says:

    Why even bother to have it at a catch weight? If Silva can cut to 170, let them fight at 170. Silva used to make 167 for Shooto, and made 175 a few years ago for the ROTR tourney, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he might still be able to cut to 170.

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  • Nonfikshun says:

    I think that this fight wouldn’t be a good idea. I just don’t see GSP being able to beat Silva, except for his wrestling. Travis Lutter already proved that Silva had that whole in his game, but Silva still beat Dan Henderson and he is one of the best. I think this comes down to size, Silva has a height and reach advantage that would just prove too much for GSP. And let’s not forget Silva man handled Rich Franklin, I think that strength is more than a match for GSP.

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  • Danny says:

    I dont know why people r already calling 4 this fight. Their divisions havent even been settled yet. GSP still has not had one successful title defense. And on Sat, the MW picture get a lil bit more clearer and there r fights 4 silva still at MW. Silva vs Okami 1st. Quarry vs Cote 4 the next shot at the title. Hendo vs Franklin and Bisping vs Marquardt. Those r the fights the ufc should consider next at MW.

    PS: I dont know what nickname Lutter should take next. Mr.”I had Silva mounted” or Mr.”I had Franklin armbarred”. I’m so happy that punk got his ass handed to him again.

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  • king mah mah says:

    i’m tired of everybody swinging off of silva’s nu**! Let the fight happen so people will see that anderson isn’t invincible. Gsp 1st round K.O.!!

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  • king mah mah says:

    Marquart would have beaten silva if they didn’t have that B.S stand-up!

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  • Ryan Seacrest says:

    I know King Mah Mah I wish that Dana would let this fight happen and we would all find out that GSP would destroy Silva at his own game.

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  • Donk says:

    GSP walks around at 190, i’m led to believe that Silva walks around at 200, so just have the fight at the 205 weight class. But the drawback of a non title fight would be a three round fight and I can see that being a problem for Dana. So i don’t expect to see this fight.

    God i wish they would change the time limits on the rounds, change the first to 10 mins then that would be perfect.

    If the fight happened i think GSP would win it. Nobody can stop GSP’s takedowns and his top control is second to none, so i see it being a completely one sided affair just like all GSP’s recent fights. The guy is a beast and is gonna be on a tear for a long-long time.

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  • Titus Avengerus says:

    I think Meltzer getting ahead of himself. St. Pierre hasn’t said he wants to move to middleweight and unlike the middleweight division of the UFC there are actually contenders (Fitch, Alves, maybe Parisyan) and potential contenders (Koscheck, Sanchez) waiting for a shot.

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  • “Silva vs Okami 1st. Quarry vs Cote 4 the next shot at the title. Hendo vs Franklin and Bisping vs Marquardt.”

    I would be stoked to see any of those fights. I don’t know why people keep talking about how weak MW is.

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  • caspersghost says:

    if Dana wants to throw away money, this fight is a great idea. I can’t think of a fight that has less long term marketability than this. You are a fucking idiot for even considering it as, no matter the outcome, the UFC lose money big time.

    What Meltzer means about the size difference is that Silva cuts huge to make 185. One criticism of Franklin as a fighter was that he’s was usually tons bigger than the people he faced due to his extreame weight cutting, Silva fucking towers over Rich. He may look thin and lanky, but that just belies the is in fact he is just huge. GSP looks like a miget next to him.

    Fucking stupid fight to make.

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  • demonianray says:

    I don’t think 205 would be a healthy fighting weight for GSP, he would get slow, 35 pounds is a lot, to what he’s used to fight, even if he walks around 190.

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  • Shaun says:

    well GSP is 5’10 and Silva is 6’2 or 6’3. That’s nearly half a foot on just height alone. I would definitely watch that fight and consider it a huge money maker. But it’s obvious GSP would somehow be considered the underdog. Silve probably walks around at 200-210, GSP probably walks around at around 190. And you got to remember regardless that both are very very strong for their weights.

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  • Erik W. says:

    Having a UFC event at Olympic Stadium is a bad idea. The place was a shithole back when I used to go to Expos games, and I can’t imagine it’s gotten better in its new life of holding monster truck rallies and motocross events.

    “GSP walks around at 190, i’m led to believe that Silva walks around at 200, so just have the fight at the 205 weight class.”

    That makes absolutely no sense.

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  • Shaun says:

    Also, there’s still contenders in both weight classes. There always will be.

    170 – next title vs fitch, then there’s alves & bj moving up. Maybe eventually the winner of swick vs davis or sanchez vs firavanti

    185- rematch okami, bisping, maybe eventually cote or quarry.

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  • keenan says:

    ya i think the best idea and the most money would have gsp continue to defend against the contenders in the welterweight division. silva really does have some work to do to clean out his division he has okami at least to deal with. then maybe the boxing match with roy jones jr because that will make heaps of cash. then maybe then do u have silva vs gsp. but i beleive silva would need to fight for the 170 title or gsp would challenge for the 185 because then it really means something to have one of them hold two tittle and also there is a buuilt in rematch. also then you can have a bj penn chalenge and become the undisputerd under 200 pound champion of the world. hey ther has to be a lot of wins from these guys but that would all be really cool

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  • Donk says:

    Erik W, I said make the fight happen in the 185-205 class because GSP said he dosn’t want to fight at 170-185 because he has many friends in that division and dosn’t wanna be a belt holder there. So if GSP can’t fight him at 185, and 170 is pretty unlikely that only leaves a fight in 185-205.

    But fighting in that weight class just sounds silly so maybe that’s why Adam Morgan said that they should “fight at a catch weight”…

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  • “Silva vs Okami 1st. Quarry vs Cote 4 the next shot at the title. Hendo vs Franklin and Bisping vs Marquardt.”

    Silva/Okami and Franklin/Hendo, yes. Double yes plus one, even.

    Marquardt is taking on Leites at 85 and Cote is already scheduled to fight Almeida at 86. I’d say match the winners of these two up and the winner of that gets the next title shot.

    Bisping/Quarry makes sense to me. Have the winner take on the winner of Franklin/Hendo.

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  • devin miller says:

    fight wont happen yet but gsp by 3rd round tko. hes the best in the world and i believe could
    end up being the first real GREAT mma fighter and champion.

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  • revjames13 says:

    The main reason this fight won’t happen anytime soon is that Dana wouldn’t let one of his current superstars lose their luster. Now that GSP is patched up and on top of the hill again, what sense does it make to send him in to get destroyed by Silva? Then he returns to his own weight class having been whooped but he is still the champ? Makes him look bad. If he managed to beat Silva at a catch weight, then Silva would return to his own weight class as a champion with far less drawing power, since he just got beat by a smaller guy. If GSP can beat Silva at 185, then he’s going to have to get a cape and tights and start fighting crime because he will officially be a super hero.

    However, their is somebody at 155 he has to deal with first.

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  • Cabelo says:

    I’m a big fan of GSP’s, and I’m having trouble thinking of anyone who’s got a better chance of making silva look human. but let’s be honest here. I’m reading a lot of people deluding themselves. He’s a great fighter, but he’s got a long way to go to reach the level of Silva or fedor. it’ll just take time.and he’s still just human, despite all the deifying done on the blogs. GSP is not a god. He’s not invinceable, or infallible, and you have to take in reality when trying to define his future. He’d likely lose to Silva, but he’s got what i’d see as a 45% chance.

    And personally, I’m a lot more interested in seeing a revamped BJ Penn try and get his retribution. I don’t think he could do it, but he’s got a chance.

    I can’t wait for the next Silva fight, and the next, etc. But the only fight I can think of that I wanna see badly, is Silva vs Filho. It’d likely never happen, but I’d love to see it, just so all those championing Paulo ‘The Cycle’ Filho as the greatest ever at 185 would see the truth and shut up.

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  • Rich S. says:

    go ahead and have the fight at MW, if it’s going to happen at all..
    i mean, GSP’s a huge WW.. abnormally huge.. he does what ever he wants to with his opponents.. and he would only have MORE power at MW.. it would be a tough one to decide.. but i would pick Spider simply because i’m pretty sure he’s an alien.. or he has magical powers.. one or the other.. either way, if that dude touches you with ONE OF HIS FEET.. your instantly gassed.. or KO’d.. his kicks are GODLY..

    and…

    “I don’t know why people keep talking about how weak MW is.”

    do they??
    as far as i know.. the UFC’s MW division is the best in the world.. and i don’t think anyone can say differently..

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  • slimm says:

    hell do an open~weight GP, why not get it done and over with… ya that wont ever happen DAMN

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  • revjames13 says:

    Speaking of challenges to Silva, I think Nate Marquardt is probably, right now, his biggest threat in the division. Sure, he’s beaten him already, but Nate is extremely talented and athletic in his own right. Think he got psyched out a little in their first fight and would do much better a second time around. And he’s a way better all around fighter than Franklin, who I’d love to see him matched up with. Nate’s got to beat Franklin or Hendo before he’ll even be considered as rematch potential, but he’s got the skill set to test Silva.

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  • Silva is considerably talller, but prior to losing to Serra, GSP told me he would challenge the middleweight champion if he were able to clean out the 170 lb division…presently that means Fitch and possibly Sanchez…and don’t forget a certain Hawaiian lightweight looking for welterweight revenge. A lot of things would have to fall in place for this to happen. But hey that’s what fantasy matchmaking is all about!

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  • Mat says:

    Silva is a horrible match-up for GSP because Silva is much too big for him. GSP is 5’9″ and Silva is 6’3.” If GSP was hit by Silva, he would feel like he was hit by a Mac Truck. Silva walked through Franklin and Dan Henderson – two very tough and very big fighters. No disrespect to GSP: pound for pound he is the best fighter in MMA today, but he should not go up in weight because his frame is too small. Silva at 205 is a bad idea for the same reason: his frame is too thin. Liddell’s wrists are the size of Silva’s thighs.

    I don’t think Silva could fight at a lighter weight either. He looks like skin and bones as it is, with a pair of chicken legs that look like they can barely hold him up. If he loses 10 pounds, he will disappear. The fight is not a good idea. Let GSP be champion at 170 and Silva at 185. There should be plenty of competition at both weights to keep both fighters busy.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    Fights I would like to see people change weight class for in the UFC;
    1) GSP vs Anderson Silva @185
    2) BJ vs GSP @175
    3) Lyoto vs Anderson Silva @185
    4) Chuck vs Noguiera @205+
    5) Kalib Starnes vs Brock Lesnar @300+

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  • jason hughes says:

    damn these organizational boudaries, i keep havin sweet dreams of anderson and his south american bjj vs cung le and his bloodsport exoctic asian brutality two completly different styles, the best kind of fight.

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  • sved says:

    I like the catch weight idea since no belts are exchanged

    GSP vs- Silva @ 195(GSP is 193-196lbs/spider is 208-214)

    so its both good for the fans and as a 1 time superfight attraction it brings some nice publicity for the UFC and could probably sell out a large 40,000 +capacity stadium if complemented by a few solid big name matchups maybe include Chuck or Brock+ a few popular lightweights like BJ/ Tyson Griffin/Huerta/ and maybe 1 big LHW match like Thiago Silva v- Wanderlei/Jardine

    maybe an August show or a late September show?

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  • Josh says:

    I think there isnt that much of a size difference since GSP walks around about 190 and i dont know what Silva walks around at but hes fought at 170 bfore so it cant be to much higher than that

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  • Josh says:

    # 33 Fight Fan Says:
    April 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 am
    Fights I would like to see people change weight class for in the UFC;
    1) GSP vs Anderson Silva @185
    2) BJ vs GSP @175
    3) Lyoto vs Anderson Silva @185
    4) Chuck vs Noguiera @205+
    5) Kalib Starnes vs Brock Lesnar @300+

    just to let you know GSP has fought BJ at welter wieght and won so whats the point of that now and anyways BJ is much better at 155 but Lyota vs anderson would be great.

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  • fidazler says:

    I agree with mah mah. St.Pierre should dominate an take care of buisiness. But i have been wrong before, but who cares who wins this would be the fight of the decade, forget those other bums///// BJPenn ?too much hate,fights with his heart not his head, too bad though he is a really good fighter,either way both gsp@silva would destroy him.., FID OUT………..

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  • fidazler says:

    sorry guys, i just had a thought, why not go back too old style UFC. Dana i hate too say it but it would be the only way too see who would be the best pound for pound. And for all you panty wastes,get over it, when you fight you fight to win, we have all seen it before and we should be able too see it again.Don’t get me wrong, there are certain things you can’t do an the fighters know this,but DANA WHITE you know this would be the biggest money maker yet,anyway think about it ,lots of you will agree with me and lets see what happens,FID OUT…………………

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  • panic says:

    THIS FIGHT IS GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! dana white said that if gsp wins the bout agenst b.j penn in jan that this fight will happen sometime in 2009

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  • Scott says:

    GSP got by BJ, he still has to fight Thaigo Alves before this could happen. Even if it does there are weight class for a reason. Anderson will beat him to death. Same way BJ should stay in his weight, GSP needs to stay at his. Problem for Dana is there is no pay-per0view at either weight class right now. He is running out of headline fighters

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