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	<title>Comments on: Report: Liddell injured; UFC 85 main event cancelled</title>
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		<title>By: slimm</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/21/report-liddell-injured-ufc-85-main-event-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-24237</link>
		<dc:creator>slimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>his leg looks NASTY from that pic @ ufc.com, Florian v Huerta gets my vote for main or co~main event
and hopefully Shogun v Liddell once they both get rehab&#039;d somewhere around september, that would b best just chalk the Evans v Liddell fight to be a wash it really wasnt a great idea in the first place.... 
add Bisbing v Leben and Florian v Huerta 

then put the winners of Lyoto v Tito , Wanderlei v Jardine against each other on the same card as Shogun v Liddell in sep that would be great in my humble opinion (ok well if Tito wins fuck it, put Evans v Jardine/Wanderlei, o but what if Wanderlei wins but moves down to MW, soo it would be training partners against each other, this is sooooo confusing), make Shogun v Liddell happen now, bottom line please...... cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his leg looks NASTY from that pic @ ufc.com, Florian v Huerta gets my vote for main or co~main event<br />
and hopefully Shogun v Liddell once they both get rehab&#8217;d somewhere around september, that would b best just chalk the Evans v Liddell fight to be a wash it really wasnt a great idea in the first place&#8230;.<br />
add Bisbing v Leben and Florian v Huerta </p>
<p>then put the winners of Lyoto v Tito , Wanderlei v Jardine against each other on the same card as Shogun v Liddell in sep that would be great in my humble opinion (ok well if Tito wins fuck it, put Evans v Jardine/Wanderlei, o but what if Wanderlei wins but moves down to MW, soo it would be training partners against each other, this is sooooo confusing), make Shogun v Liddell happen now, bottom line please&#8230;&#8230; cheers
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		<title>By: ttt</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/21/report-liddell-injured-ufc-85-main-event-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-24236</link>
		<dc:creator>ttt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We’re adding fights to the card and rearranging it so the UK fans won’t have to worry, we’ll still be bringing an amazing card to London and the O2 Arena. The UFC® always delivers.”

that&#039;s his job to say these things, like hyping up Evans vs Bisping as a &quot;main&quot; event</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We’re adding fights to the card and rearranging it so the UK fans won’t have to worry, we’ll still be bringing an amazing card to London and the O2 Arena. The UFC® always delivers.”</p>
<p>that&#8217;s his job to say these things, like hyping up Evans vs Bisping as a &#8220;main&#8221; event
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		<title>By: Rich S.</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/21/report-liddell-injured-ufc-85-main-event-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-24233</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something tells me.. we&#039;ll know by tomorrow.. what&#039;s gonna happen.. and it&#039;ll be CRAZY..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something tells me.. we&#8217;ll know by tomorrow.. what&#8217;s gonna happen.. and it&#8217;ll be CRAZY..
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/21/report-liddell-injured-ufc-85-main-event-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-24230</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from Dana at ufc.com:

&quot;We&#039;re adding fights to the card and rearranging it so the UK fans won&#039;t have to worry, we&#039;ll still be bringing an amazing card to London   
and the O2 Arena. The UFC® always delivers.&quot;

Cross your fingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from Dana at ufc.com:</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re adding fights to the card and rearranging it so the UK fans won&#8217;t have to worry, we&#8217;ll still be bringing an amazing card to London<br />
and the O2 Arena. The UFC® always delivers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cross your fingers.
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		<title>By: xx2000xx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xx2000xx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So with 10k sold, they won&#039;t cancel the event. The card as follows:

-Fabricio Werdum vs. Brandon Vera
-Nate Marquardt vs. Thales Leites
-Marcus Davis vs. Mike Swick
-Martin Kampmann vs. Jorge Rivera

Preliminary Bouts:
-Ryo Chonan vs. Roan Carneiro
-Thiago Tavares vs. Matt Wiman
-Luis Arthur Cane vs. Jason Lambert
-Jess Liaudin vs. Paul Taylor
-Neil Wain vs. Antoni Hardonk

I bet they wish they still had cro-cop on their roster as he&#039;d fit in nicely.

My guess is they&#039;ll put it on Spike, but wow, Werdum and Marquart as co-main events could = disaster. They are calling Florian &amp; Huerta right now as we speak, as that could be billed as a #1 contender for the shot at the belt and fill in as the main event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So with 10k sold, they won&#8217;t cancel the event. The card as follows:</p>
<p>-Fabricio Werdum vs. Brandon Vera<br />
-Nate Marquardt vs. Thales Leites<br />
-Marcus Davis vs. Mike Swick<br />
-Martin Kampmann vs. Jorge Rivera</p>
<p>Preliminary Bouts:<br />
-Ryo Chonan vs. Roan Carneiro<br />
-Thiago Tavares vs. Matt Wiman<br />
-Luis Arthur Cane vs. Jason Lambert<br />
-Jess Liaudin vs. Paul Taylor<br />
-Neil Wain vs. Antoni Hardonk</p>
<p>I bet they wish they still had cro-cop on their roster as he&#8217;d fit in nicely.</p>
<p>My guess is they&#8217;ll put it on Spike, but wow, Werdum and Marquart as co-main events could = disaster. They are calling Florian &amp; Huerta right now as we speak, as that could be billed as a #1 contender for the shot at the belt and fill in as the main event.
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		<title>By: Ridman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ridman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did know Vera and Werdum were fighting for the heavyweight title..........I think there is a little miss print there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did know Vera and Werdum were fighting for the heavyweight title&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.I think there is a little miss print there.
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		<title>By: Punishark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punishark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it is official - torn hammy.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&amp;gid=11489</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it is official &#8211; torn hammy.</p>
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		<title>By: JBulgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBulgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is bullshit… liddel aint injured his team came out and said chuck doesnt really wanna travel a couple of months ago…. lesnar pulls out because theres no money over here, then rua gets injured now liddell “injured” guess chucks wants to stay in his comfort zone and fight in las vegas… FUCK CHUCK!!!!! who he gonna get thiago silver vs mendes?? dana white based this event on liddell, werdum vs vera is a poor fight anyway, swick vs “the irish hand grenade” (yeh ok then) if my best mate was not in to ufc as much as he is i would get my money back!! this is bullshit dana white better do something special to be getting me back intereseted in this event i spent around £250 on this event and it better be worth it! FUCK CHUCK u aint injured your a dickhead who probably wanted more money and dana if you dont put a decent main event you will lose alot of fans over here because i feel cheated!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is bullshit… liddel aint injured his team came out and said chuck doesnt really wanna travel a couple of months ago…. lesnar pulls out because theres no money over here, then rua gets injured now liddell “injured” guess chucks wants to stay in his comfort zone and fight in las vegas… FUCK CHUCK!!!!! who he gonna get thiago silver vs mendes?? dana white based this event on liddell, werdum vs vera is a poor fight anyway, swick vs “the irish hand grenade” (yeh ok then) if my best mate was not in to ufc as much as he is i would get my money back!! this is bullshit dana white better do something special to be getting me back intereseted in this event i spent around £250 on this event and it better be worth it! FUCK CHUCK u aint injured your a dickhead who probably wanted more money and dana if you dont put a decent main event you will lose alot of fans over here because i feel cheated!!!!
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw they are rumoring James Irvin/Evans as a replacement bout...huh...sorry, that doesn&#039;t work for me...at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw they are rumoring James Irvin/Evans as a replacement bout&#8230;huh&#8230;sorry, that doesn&#8217;t work for me&#8230;at all.
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		<title>By: Rich S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wouldn&#039;t mind seeing Bisping/Leben.. for free.. it would just be a crappy MAIN EVENT.. as i mentioned earlier.. how weird would it be to go from swick/davis to vera/werdum then to Bisping/Leben??

idk..

i&#039;m sure it will be bisping.. i just can&#039;t quite figure out the opponent..

i think Bisping/Leben would result in a UD for Bisping..
Bisping has a great attack.. with a good mix punches kicks and knees.. and although Leben looked very technical in his bout with Terry Martin.. it looked like he reverted back to his sloppy ways in the Sakara fight [sloppy as they may be... they work]
they obviously both have great chins.. Lebens head is just like.. a BIG rock.. and in 16 fights.. Bisping&#039;s never been KO&#039;d.. it would come down to Leben swinging for the fences [and eventually gassing] and Bisping countering every attack.. or.. Bisping could take it to the ground.. Then again, we could see a 5 sec. KO.. nothing&#039;s for sure these days..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing Bisping/Leben.. for free.. it would just be a crappy MAIN EVENT.. as i mentioned earlier.. how weird would it be to go from swick/davis to vera/werdum then to Bisping/Leben??</p>
<p>idk..</p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure it will be bisping.. i just can&#8217;t quite figure out the opponent..</p>
<p>i think Bisping/Leben would result in a UD for Bisping..<br />
Bisping has a great attack.. with a good mix punches kicks and knees.. and although Leben looked very technical in his bout with Terry Martin.. it looked like he reverted back to his sloppy ways in the Sakara fight [sloppy as they may be... they work]<br />
they obviously both have great chins.. Lebens head is just like.. a BIG rock.. and in 16 fights.. Bisping&#8217;s never been KO&#8217;d.. it would come down to Leben swinging for the fences [and eventually gassing] and Bisping countering every attack.. or.. Bisping could take it to the ground.. Then again, we could see a 5 sec. KO.. nothing&#8217;s for sure these days..
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