Comments on: Why should Sean Sherk be top ten? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Sven http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-25100 Sven Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:39:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-25100 #37 No one, absolutely no one was talking about putting Sherk on the p4p list. We talked about the LW-list. If you think people shouldn't talk about two things at a time, I mean, that is your own little problem. #37

No one, absolutely no one was talking about putting Sherk on the p4p list. We talked about the LW-list. If you think people shouldn’t talk about two things at a time, I mean, that is your own little problem.

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]]> By: Alan Kirk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-25068 Alan Kirk Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:49:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-25068 #36 Just because the guy looks a little awkward when he fights doesn't mean that he's any less capable. Tim Sylvia is a 2 time UFC HW champ with a 24-4 record - show a little respect. #36
Just because the guy looks a little awkward when he fights doesn’t mean that he’s any less capable. Tim Sylvia is a 2 time UFC HW champ with a 24-4 record – show a little respect.

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]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-25021 jason hughes Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:08:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-25021 #18 i know your aware that some fighters stack up for a period of time then lay off at a certian period so the y will still have the benefits of the strength and can pass the test and to whoever i really cant look at fedors body and automatically scream peds. hes a little soft not the most cut, i think he just happens to have super human strength. #18 i know your aware that some fighters stack up for a period of time then lay off at a certian period so the y will still have the benefits of the strength and can pass the test and to whoever i really cant look at fedors body and automatically scream peds. hes a little soft not the most cut, i think he just happens to have super human strength.

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-25004 Fight Fan Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:30:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-25004 I'm sure Tim hates you to. I’m sure Tim hates you to.

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]]> By: Mike Mick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-25003 Mike Mick Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:05:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-25003 I wish I would have responded earlier cause hardly anyone will see this response way down here towards the bottom of the page. Steroids or not, Sherk is not top 20! First off, for those of you that keep spouting out he is a top 10 lightweight...thats great, we are talking about top 10 pound for pound, not top 10 lightweights. I also love how people say he has only lost 2 fights...one to GSP and one to Hughes... Well guess what, those were his two biggest fights, and he lost. He doesn't have one super win. If we are talking pound for pound the best, then you need to beat the super elite. Sherk hasn't. Sure, Franca and Florian are solid competition, but neither one is an elite top of the division type of guy. Even worse, he didn't finish either guy. So, to me he doesn't have one very impressive win. This is top 10 pound for pound people. I'm not a Fedor nut-hugger, but he has beat the best of the best. Maybe it was years ago, but he has done it and hasn't lost since, Sherk hasn't so please drop that one. Oh, one more thing... People say how Sherk has a great record... Who cares! If you fight cream puffs then you get a good record, how is that impressive? Look at Randy Couture's record...it sucks! You know why? Cause half of his fights have been title fights! Every time he is in the ring he is fighting the best of the best. So no more spouting off about Sherk's great record when he has won 25 out of his 31 wins outside of the octagon. He earned one title fight and lost it (Hughes). Then he was given an interim title fight (Florian) when he was on a one fight win streak. I wish I would have responded earlier cause hardly anyone will see this response way down here towards the bottom of the page. Steroids or not, Sherk is not top 20! First off, for those of you that keep spouting out he is a top 10 lightweight…thats great, we are talking about top 10 pound for pound, not top 10 lightweights. I also love how people say he has only lost 2 fights…one to GSP and one to Hughes… Well guess what, those were his two biggest fights, and he lost. He doesn’t have one super win. If we are talking pound for pound the best, then you need to beat the super elite. Sherk hasn’t. Sure, Franca and Florian are solid competition, but neither one is an elite top of the division type of guy. Even worse, he didn’t finish either guy. So, to me he doesn’t have one very impressive win. This is top 10 pound for pound people. I’m not a Fedor nut-hugger, but he has beat the best of the best. Maybe it was years ago, but he has done it and hasn’t lost since, Sherk hasn’t so please drop that one.

Oh, one more thing… People say how Sherk has a great record… Who cares! If you fight cream puffs then you get a good record, how is that impressive? Look at Randy Couture’s record…it sucks! You know why? Cause half of his fights have been title fights! Every time he is in the ring he is fighting the best of the best. So no more spouting off about Sherk’s great record when he has won 25 out of his 31 wins outside of the octagon. He earned one title fight and lost it (Hughes). Then he was given an interim title fight (Florian) when he was on a one fight win streak.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24999 Rich S. Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:19:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24999 #34, you just called Sylvia a "monster". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! thanks.. i'm THIIIIIIIS CLOSE to soiling myself after that! oh man, well, i supoooooooose Tim was good like 3 or 4 years ago.. but.. after getting messed up by Mir and AA.. he became a different fighter.. although, he didn't look half bad against Nog.. you know.. he was afraid of losing.. so he started fighting like a girl.. but.. in the Nog fight.. he was very aggressive.. then again.. he lost because of that.. so.. he might go RIGHT BACK TO SAME OLD BIG TIM.. the BIG TIM i hate.. #34,
you just called Sylvia a “monster”.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
thanks.. i’m THIIIIIIIS CLOSE to soiling myself after that!
oh man,
well,
i supoooooooose Tim was good like 3 or 4 years ago.. but.. after getting messed up by Mir and AA.. he became a different fighter..
although, he didn’t look half bad against Nog.. you know.. he was afraid of losing.. so he started fighting like a girl.. but.. in the Nog fight.. he was very aggressive.. then again.. he lost because of that.. so.. he might go RIGHT BACK TO SAME OLD BIG TIM..

the BIG TIM i hate..

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24998 Fight Fan Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:04:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24998 There are plenty of fighters out there with no losses. So be careful what you wish for because you may end up with Kimbo in the top P4P if fighting lesser fighters and winning is the criteria. If Sherk gets a couple of wins againt A grade fighters (Gomi, BJ Penn, FRANCA etc) then he may be worthy. There are plenty of fighters out there with no losses. So be careful what you wish for because you may end up with Kimbo in the top P4P if fighting lesser fighters and winning is the criteria. If Sherk gets a couple of wins againt A grade fighters (Gomi, BJ Penn, FRANCA etc) then he may be worthy.

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]]> By: Alan Kirk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24997 Alan Kirk Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:58:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24997 It's good to see someone else who recognizes Sylvia for the absolute MONSTER that he really is. I wish he were still in the UFC. I wanted to see Sylvia vs Mir 2. It’s good to see someone else who recognizes Sylvia for the absolute MONSTER that he really is. I wish he were still in the UFC. I wanted to see Sylvia vs Mir 2.

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]]> By: Alan Kirk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24995 Alan Kirk Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:56:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24995 Even taking away the Franca fight, Sherks record of battering all but two fighters he's faced still stands for itself. Even taking away the Franca fight, Sherks record of battering all but two fighters he’s faced still stands for itself.

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24994 Fight Fan Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:50:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24994 If Fedor loses to Tim Sylvia it wont be any shame. Tim is 24 and 4 and 1 of those 4 losses was to Top 10 P4P 'ers and the other 3 to top 10 HWs. There is a case to put Tim in the top 10 P4P despite if he is cool or not. If Fedor loses to Tim Sylvia it wont be any shame. Tim is 24 and 4 and 1 of those 4 losses was to Top 10 P4P ‘ers and the other 3 to top 10 HWs. There is a case to put Tim in the top 10 P4P despite if he is cool or not.

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24993 Fight Fan Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:34:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24993 "Fedor doesn’t even GET tested for performance enhancing drugs, so I’m not sure why you’re taking them into account here for Sherk." I hpoe you are never part of any jury. The way it stands is; Sherk cheated and got caught. This means his win is void. Out of all of the top 10 all of them have fought in Japan. Not just Fedor. And to say Fedor has not beaten anyone of importance here are a list of fighters he has beaten that have been top 10. Noguiera x2 Mark Hunt Mark Coleman x2 Babalu Lindland Mirko Crocop Heath Herring Kevin Randleman Kohsaka Arona As well as Semmy Schilt who is the most dominant K1 fighter to ever put on the gloves. No heavyweight has ever had a record as good as Fedors. He has never lost legally and is world sambo champ for god knows how long as well as being the most dominant Pride HW champ by a long way. So don't talk out of your... and research your facts. “Fedor doesn’t even GET tested for performance enhancing drugs, so I’m not sure why you’re taking them into account here for Sherk.”

I hpoe you are never part of any jury. The way it stands is; Sherk cheated and got caught. This means his win is void. Out of all of the top 10 all of them have fought in Japan. Not just Fedor.
And to say Fedor has not beaten anyone of importance here are a list of fighters he has beaten that have been top 10.

Noguiera x2
Mark Hunt
Mark Coleman x2
Babalu
Lindland
Mirko Crocop
Heath Herring
Kevin Randleman
Kohsaka
Arona

As well as Semmy Schilt who is the most dominant K1 fighter to ever put on the gloves.
No heavyweight has ever had a record as good as Fedors. He has never lost legally and is world sambo champ for god knows how long as well as being the most dominant Pride HW champ by a long way. So don’t talk out of your… and research your facts.

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]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24990 Fight Fan Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:04:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24990 "HOW ABOUT fedor then, he hasnt fought anyone worth a shit, we shall see where he stands after the sylvia fight" #4 you obviously are new to this sport or UFC is the be all and end all to you (by the way he beat the UFC HW champ twice by completely hammering him). You havn't looked his stats up have you. I think you'll find most FIGHTERS when asked will say he is the best fighter in the world(not pound for pound however). As for Sherk. How can you put a drug cheat in the top 10. And please don't say he was innocent. Truth is, none of us know but he was convicted by the powers at be and lawyers are paid to find some doubt. “HOW ABOUT fedor then, he hasnt fought anyone worth a shit, we shall see where he stands after the sylvia fight”

#4 you obviously are new to this sport or UFC is the be all and end all to you (by the way he beat the UFC HW champ twice by completely hammering him). You havn’t looked his stats up have you. I think you’ll find most FIGHTERS when asked will say he is the best fighter in the world(not pound for pound however).
As for Sherk. How can you put a drug cheat in the top 10. And please don’t say he was innocent. Truth is, none of us know but he was convicted by the powers at be and lawyers are paid to find some doubt.

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]]> By: Alan Kirk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24980 Alan Kirk Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:25:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24980 "Almost" doesn't mean anything. He didn't and that's what counts. Sherk kept him from doing any damage that he couldn't take and kept Franca where he didn't want to be. Hence, he dominated and won the fight. “Almost” doesn’t mean anything. He didn’t and that’s what counts. Sherk kept him from doing any damage that he couldn’t take and kept Franca where he didn’t want to be. Hence, he dominated and won the fight.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24973 Rich S. Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:06:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24973 so you've forgotten that he almost Knocked Sherk Out TWICE with knees?? so you’ve forgotten that he almost Knocked Sherk Out TWICE with knees??

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24970 HexRei Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:38:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24970 <b>There are many unfair standups “marquart and silva” and others that need to be stood up “sherk and franca”</b> Oh right, because Franca was so dominating the standup :eyeroll: Franca was beaten on every level of that fight. There are many unfair standups “marquart and silva” and others that need to be stood up “sherk and franca”

Oh right, because Franca was so dominating the standup :eyeroll: Franca was beaten on every level of that fight.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24969 king mah mah Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:18:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24969 There are many unfair standups "marquart and silva" and others that need to be stood up "sherk and franca" There are many unfair standups “marquart and silva” and others that need to be stood up “sherk and franca”

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24967 HexRei Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:58:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24967 Well, that is BJJ's primary strength in mma, working from the back. I thought we might see a better rubber guard although I admit Franca is small and Sherk's shoulders are huge so a finish triangleor gogo would have been a stretch. Still, Franca was unable to even slap anything remotely threatening on Sherk. I do agree that Sherk was stifling Franca but isn't that a good thing? He obviously was working enough to avoid the standup. Well, that is BJJ’s primary strength in mma, working from the back. I thought we might see a better rubber guard although I admit Franca is small and Sherk’s shoulders are huge so a finish triangleor gogo would have been a stretch. Still, Franca was unable to even slap anything remotely threatening on Sherk.

I do agree that Sherk was stifling Franca but isn’t that a good thing? He obviously was working enough to avoid the standup.

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]]> By: Ronin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24966 Ronin Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:50:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24966 Huh.. Franca was gassed by 3rd round you can throw away his BJJ black out of the window at that point. Boring bottom game? he couldn't move, sherk was just laying on him, what could he have done? when someone is laying on you and you can't kick them in the groin, poke their eyes out knee them to the head, or bite them. Tell me how do you get a person off of you? Huh.. Franca was gassed by 3rd round you can throw away his BJJ black out of the window at that point. Boring bottom game? he couldn’t move, sherk was just laying on him, what could he have done? when someone is laying on you and you can’t kick them in the groin, poke their eyes out knee them to the head, or bite them.
Tell me how do you get a person off of you?

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]]> By: Alan Kirk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24964 Alan Kirk Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:34:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24964 Everyone likes to go on and on about Sherk not testing clean for that one event against Franca but I think he's more than solidified a spot in any LW top ten list simply based on his past fights. Let's not forget that this is a guy who has beaten everyone in his profesional career, most of which was spent at WW, with the exception of Hughes and GSP. Considering that one is the current WW champ and the other is widely considered the "most dominant WW in history", I'd say that's not a bad record. Even if you were to put the Franca fight in the No Contest column, that's far more impressive than any other LW. I think that if he wins against Penn there should be no questrion as to who the top guy at 155 is. As for him having a spot on the P4P lists, that's debateable. I think he has as much of a right to be there as Rampage. Sherk is a strong wrestler with crisp boxing and some submission defense. When is the last time he did anything other than pound someone out? I think he can surely be dominate with his style but one really has to incorporate every aspect of MMA for me to consider them for the P4P list. Everyone likes to go on and on about Sherk not testing clean for that one event against Franca but I think he’s more than solidified a spot in any LW top ten list simply based on his past fights. Let’s not forget that this is a guy who has beaten everyone in his profesional career, most of which was spent at WW, with the exception of Hughes and GSP. Considering that one is the current WW champ and the other is widely considered the “most dominant WW in history”, I’d say that’s not a bad record. Even if you were to put the Franca fight in the No Contest column, that’s far more impressive than any other LW. I think that if he wins against Penn there should be no questrion as to who the top guy at 155 is.

As for him having a spot on the P4P lists, that’s debateable. I think he has as much of a right to be there as Rampage. Sherk is a strong wrestler with crisp boxing and some submission defense. When is the last time he did anything other than pound someone out? I think he can surely be dominate with his style but one really has to incorporate every aspect of MMA for me to consider them for the P4P list.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/comment-page-1/#comment-24963 HexRei Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:32:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/04/26/why-should-sean-sherk-be-top-ten/#comment-24963 Ronin, I don't know how to account for that, I speculate that maybe he was afraid of Franca's bjj (which is some of the best in the world at LW) and so he chose not to risk hanging a limb out there or losing position. I agree it was kind of boring but that wasn't helped much by Franca's rather boring bottom game. Ronin,

I don’t know how to account for that, I speculate that maybe he was afraid of Franca’s bjj (which is some of the best in the world at LW) and so he chose not to risk hanging a limb out there or losing position. I agree it was kind of boring but that wasn’t helped much by Franca’s rather boring bottom game.

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