Comments on: ROUND TEN of Five Ounces of Pain’s Fantasy MMA Mock Draft http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: I heart Kimbo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25998 I heart Kimbo Tue, 06 May 2008 02:49:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25998 This Reaser dude is a noob. Forgethim anyways This Reaser dude is a noob. Forgethim anyways

]]> By: Five Ounces of Pain | ELEVENTH ROUND of Five Ounces of Pain’s Fantasy MMA Mock Draft http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25746 Five Ounces of Pain | ELEVENTH ROUND of Five Ounces of Pain’s Fantasy MMA Mock Draft Sun, 04 May 2008 11:07:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25746 [...] click here for round 10 [...] [...] click here for round 10 [...]

]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25718 jason hughes Sat, 03 May 2008 22:10:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25718 well done. well done.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25714 Reaser Sat, 03 May 2008 20:50:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25714 I like Strikeforce as well, but it's just a west coast promotion... and the "World Baseball Classic" we saw all the players we see everyday in MLB and Japanese baseball, which you kinda made my point about what "I" personally would like to see in MMA. Obviously minus the Cuba players, but we all know the story there. Silva finishes Le in the first two rounds...and I'm not hating on Le, he's NEVER lost in a combat sport as far as I know, just saying, in MMA he's not even top 10 yet....and who knows, maybe he does beat Silva, but the easiest way to ensure the best fight the best isn't 100's of promotions with cross promotion, its ONE or TWO top pro promotions the best fight in, then you get the best verse the best. It's just like Tito saying he's going to be a World Champion again just not in the UFC, then he's not a World Champion at all. That's what pisses me off, he knows he can't win in the UFC, so goto some crap promotion, call himself a champion and then say oh the UFC won't cross promote to find out who the real champion is, etc. Like what Gary Shaw will say if Scott Smith wins the MW title, Shaw will go on and on about Smith is the best MW in the world, and the UFC is scared to cross promote because Smith is better than Silva. When Scott Smith was 1-3 (I believe, too lazy to look) in the UFC, basically couldn't cut it in the big leagues, but now basically the minor leagues are saying their fighters who lost over and over in the UFC are world champions. Same with Lawler, he lost his last 2 fights in the UFC, he's no world MW champion, he's a sleezy herpes infested promotions champion. For the record Scott Smith is one of my favorite fighters, I'm just realistic about things, he has no business fighter for or being considered some kinda World Champion at the moment. But he does have my favorite ending of a fight of all time, ha... I like Strikeforce as well, but it’s just a west coast promotion…

and the “World Baseball Classic” we saw all the players we see everyday in MLB and Japanese baseball, which you kinda made my point about what “I” personally would like to see in MMA. Obviously minus the Cuba players, but we all know the story there.

Silva finishes Le in the first two rounds…and I’m not hating on Le, he’s NEVER lost in a combat sport as far as I know, just saying, in MMA he’s not even top 10 yet….and who knows, maybe he does beat Silva, but the easiest way to ensure the best fight the best isn’t 100′s of promotions with cross promotion, its ONE or TWO top pro promotions the best fight in, then you get the best verse the best.

It’s just like Tito saying he’s going to be a World Champion again just not in the UFC, then he’s not a World Champion at all. That’s what pisses me off, he knows he can’t win in the UFC, so goto some crap promotion, call himself a champion and then say oh the UFC won’t cross promote to find out who the real champion is, etc.

Like what Gary Shaw will say if Scott Smith wins the MW title, Shaw will go on and on about Smith is the best MW in the world, and the UFC is scared to cross promote because Smith is better than Silva. When Scott Smith was 1-3 (I believe, too lazy to look) in the UFC, basically couldn’t cut it in the big leagues, but now basically the minor leagues are saying their fighters who lost over and over in the UFC are world champions. Same with Lawler, he lost his last 2 fights in the UFC, he’s no world MW champion, he’s a sleezy herpes infested promotions champion.

For the record Scott Smith is one of my favorite fighters, I’m just realistic about things, he has no business fighter for or being considered some kinda World Champion at the moment. But he does have my favorite ending of a fight of all time, ha…

]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25712 jason hughes Sat, 03 May 2008 20:19:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25712 i agree elite xc is bad but i really like strikeforce, but anywho, the last world baseball champioship was kinda a cross promotion theoretically wasnt it , and we saw some great players from cuba, japan and other countrys we wouldnt have seen had it not been so heavily broadcasted, and we found out that there is great baseball all over the the world. the same can be said for mma i hope. by the way give me your out come of cung le vs anderson sliva as of right now. would it make it past the first round? i agree elite xc is bad but i really like strikeforce, but anywho, the last world baseball champioship was kinda a cross promotion theoretically wasnt it , and we saw some great players from cuba, japan and other countrys we wouldnt have seen had it not been so heavily broadcasted, and we found out that there is great baseball all over the the world. the same can be said for mma i hope. by the way give me your out come of cung le vs anderson sliva as of right now. would it make it past the first round?

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25711 Reaser Sat, 03 May 2008 19:56:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25711 If you want 10 plus titles per weight class, corrupt promoters, refs and judges, fightings fixing fights and the sport to completely fall apart, then yes, cross promotion is great.... Why would I want to see those fights, someone who's not even top 10 in his own weight class verse the #1 (or 2 depending) pound for pound fighter in the world? I hate PEDs and on the next fight, I hate PEDs.... What I'de rather see is two top promotions in the world, just for example sake a UFC and DREAM, they do things their own ways, have all the top fighters, MAYBE unification bouts or UFC sending guys to DREAM for tourneyments but really just do their own things.... As opposed to 100's of promotions (meaning 100's of champions) which aren't even really promotions, they sign 1-8 fighters and call themselves a promotion, claim their guys are the best, then try and cross-promote, and you only cross promote if your a crap organization, obviously... You got a guy who's blatently ruined one combat sport now claiming every MMA fighter he has is the best in the world, when he has 1 top 10 rated fighter (in the guys own weight class) and besides that you can argue maybe 2 of his other guys should be in the 10th spot in their weight class... What you have now is promotions making up weight classes, all of a sudden if fake fans want their way you'll have millions of weight classes with 10-20 champions per weight class, NEVER have the best fight the best, aka a boxing model...thats what cross-promotion brings, its the opposite of what people think, because stupid people think short term and not long term... If you were a football fan would you want NFL teams playing CFL, Arena Football, the UK's league and Japan football teams??? Because there's probably guys in the CFL right now that could be in the NFL that have been overlooked, but for the most part the best players migrate to the best league, the NFL. If you want MMA to become boxing, support cross promotion... If you want MMA to become what the NFL is in the US, Worldwide though, then hope that one American and one Japanese promotion each get things done and the SleezeXC's herpes infested promotion isn't anywhere near either of them... If you want 10 plus titles per weight class, corrupt promoters, refs and judges, fightings fixing fights and the sport to completely fall apart, then yes, cross promotion is great….

Why would I want to see those fights, someone who’s not even top 10 in his own weight class verse the #1 (or 2 depending) pound for pound fighter in the world?

I hate PEDs and on the next fight, I hate PEDs….

What I’de rather see is two top promotions in the world, just for example sake a UFC and DREAM, they do things their own ways, have all the top fighters, MAYBE unification bouts or UFC sending guys to DREAM for tourneyments but really just do their own things….

As opposed to 100′s of promotions (meaning 100′s of champions) which aren’t even really promotions, they sign 1-8 fighters and call themselves a promotion, claim their guys are the best, then try and cross-promote, and you only cross promote if your a crap organization, obviously…

You got a guy who’s blatently ruined one combat sport now claiming every MMA fighter he has is the best in the world, when he has 1 top 10 rated fighter (in the guys own weight class) and besides that you can argue maybe 2 of his other guys should be in the 10th spot in their weight class…

What you have now is promotions making up weight classes, all of a sudden if fake fans want their way you’ll have millions of weight classes with 10-20 champions per weight class, NEVER have the best fight the best, aka a boxing model…thats what cross-promotion brings, its the opposite of what people think, because stupid people think short term and not long term…

If you were a football fan would you want NFL teams playing CFL, Arena Football, the UK’s league and Japan football teams??? Because there’s probably guys in the CFL right now that could be in the NFL that have been overlooked, but for the most part the best players migrate to the best league, the NFL.

If you want MMA to become boxing, support cross promotion…

If you want MMA to become what the NFL is in the US, Worldwide though, then hope that one American and one Japanese promotion each get things done and the SleezeXC’s herpes infested promotion isn’t anywhere near either of them…

]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25709 jason hughes Sat, 03 May 2008 16:21:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25709 #9 dont you think cross promotion can be a good thing, wouldnt you like to see cung le vs anderson silva, barnett vs couture, gomi vs sherk? #9 dont you think cross promotion can be a good thing, wouldnt you like to see cung le vs anderson silva, barnett vs couture, gomi vs sherk?

]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25708 jason hughes Sat, 03 May 2008 16:14:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25708 soko is a great pic, dont understand why he has been thrown under the bus after only one fight but i think he is the type of guy to rattle off seven in a row, maybe fight for a title . soko is a great pic, dont understand why he has been thrown under the bus after only one fight but i think he is the type of guy to rattle off seven in a row, maybe fight for a title .

]]> By: keenan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25686 keenan Sat, 03 May 2008 01:20:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25686 nick diaz? morgan? pretty sure he can drop to liiiiight? plus everybody wants to watch him fight so surprised he hasnt bin picked up yet. also karo, the guy fights hard. nick diaz? morgan? pretty sure he can drop to liiiiight? plus everybody wants to watch him fight so surprised he hasnt bin picked up yet. also karo, the guy fights hard.

]]> By: L Grant http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25683 L Grant Sat, 03 May 2008 00:33:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25683 I'm really disappointed in this round, with the exception of Clay Guida, who would be on my top 10 draft picks for the same reasons Cupitt took him. I think there are several fighters out there that should have gone higher the guys who've been picked this round. It's getting very interesting to see how these promotions are shaping up. I'm loving this! I’m really disappointed in this round, with the exception of Clay Guida, who would be on my top 10 draft picks for the same reasons Cupitt took him.

I think there are several fighters out there that should have gone higher the guys who’ve been picked this round.

It’s getting very interesting to see how these promotions are shaping up. I’m loving this!

]]> By: I heart Kimbo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25680 I heart Kimbo Fri, 02 May 2008 23:31:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25680 ^^^^ This guy is clearly a n00b and must work for the ufc. co promotion rules for fans noob. ^^^^

This guy is clearly a n00b and must work for the ufc. co promotion rules for fans noob.

]]> By: Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25673 Huckaby Fri, 02 May 2008 21:17:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25673 HA, I just took someone in the next round that led to Cava IMing me hatefully for taking his next pick. BOOYA CAVA. BOOYA. HA, I just took someone in the next round that led to Cava IMing me hatefully for taking his next pick.

BOOYA CAVA. BOOYA.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25663 Reaser Fri, 02 May 2008 19:33:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25663 Stop talking about co or cross-promotion. What would be the point of this draft??? Further more, you only cross-promote when your crap, if your the best, like Cava at the moment, why the hell would you make the other promotions better or give them recognition by cross-promoting with them? Or while Cava is running the fantasy MMA world why woud he just boost's up his competitors organization, why?!? It wouldn't happen so stop saying it. Its like the clowns that say BJ Penn (or if Sherk wins) isn't the real LW champion until he beats KJ Noons and unifies the titles. Or Anderson Silva isn't the MW Champion of the world because he hasn't beat Robbie Lawler (or Scott Smith) two guys who washed out of UFC. It's annoying as hell, anyways, Cava's still dominating and really I only have faith in Huck or Cupitt making a 2nd half of the draft run at Matty C. It's interesting who people pick though, kinda shows the difference between the people who actually stay up til 4am to watch live MMA events, or actually watch ALL the shows, as opposed to reading results and thinking they know MMA. How the hell is Jacare and Maia still avaliable? I figure Cava and Huck will each get one soon because they seem to actually know what they are doing. Stop talking about co or cross-promotion. What would be the point of this draft??? Further more, you only cross-promote when your crap, if your the best, like Cava at the moment, why the hell would you make the other promotions better or give them recognition by cross-promoting with them? Or while Cava is running the fantasy MMA world why woud he just boost’s up his competitors organization, why?!? It wouldn’t happen so stop saying it.

Its like the clowns that say BJ Penn (or if Sherk wins) isn’t the real LW champion until he beats KJ Noons and unifies the titles. Or Anderson Silva isn’t the MW Champion of the world because he hasn’t beat Robbie Lawler (or Scott Smith) two guys who washed out of UFC.

It’s annoying as hell, anyways, Cava’s still dominating and really I only have faith in Huck or Cupitt making a 2nd half of the draft run at Matty C.

It’s interesting who people pick though, kinda shows the difference between the people who actually stay up til 4am to watch live MMA events, or actually watch ALL the shows, as opposed to reading results and thinking they know MMA.

How the hell is Jacare and Maia still avaliable? I figure Cava and Huck will each get one soon because they seem to actually know what they are doing.

]]> By: croyalporter http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25652 croyalporter Fri, 02 May 2008 17:14:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25652 Man, I'm loving this series. However, as I'm doing my own "mock drafting" along with these articles, I'm amazed at how many guys are still falling. Since the six drafters seem to be looking for a good mix of marketability and skills, how did the following guys not get drafted yet?: Chris Leben - rock hard chin, good on the mic, always in a brawl, former TUF'er Karo Parisyan - has never had a boring fight -- ever! Thiago Alves - just beat Karo, young, good-looking, great stand-up and ground game Yushin Okami - he just wins, baby Roger Gracie - the Gracie name is marketable, and he's a good looking prospect Cheick Kongo - kickboxer who looks better than he fights, but he could molded with the right matchmaking Tyson Griffin - another guy who's always going to be in a fight of the night candidate Frankie Edgar - see the comments for Clay Guida in the draft and Griffin directly above him Ben Rothwell - big, with lots of KOs to his name -- last time I checked, fight fans like to see HWs knock other guys out Phil Baroni - hey, if Shamrock and Ortiz can get drafted as high as they did, I can't believe Phil's still around...even if I can't stand him Man, there's still so many more.... I can't wait to see how this draft concludes. Man, I’m loving this series. However, as I’m doing my own “mock drafting” along with these articles, I’m amazed at how many guys are still falling. Since the six drafters seem to be looking for a good mix of marketability and skills, how did the following guys not get drafted yet?:
Chris Leben – rock hard chin, good on the mic, always in a brawl, former TUF’er
Karo Parisyan – has never had a boring fight — ever!
Thiago Alves – just beat Karo, young, good-looking, great stand-up and ground game
Yushin Okami – he just wins, baby
Roger Gracie – the Gracie name is marketable, and he’s a good looking prospect
Cheick Kongo – kickboxer who looks better than he fights, but he could molded with the right matchmaking
Tyson Griffin – another guy who’s always going to be in a fight of the night candidate
Frankie Edgar – see the comments for Clay Guida in the draft and Griffin directly above him
Ben Rothwell – big, with lots of KOs to his name — last time I checked, fight fans like to see HWs knock other guys out
Phil Baroni – hey, if Shamrock and Ortiz can get drafted as high as they did, I can’t believe Phil’s still around…even if I can’t stand him

Man, there’s still so many more…. I can’t wait to see how this draft concludes.

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25644 Derek B. Fri, 02 May 2008 15:22:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25644 No doubt Noah. I think we'll start seeing some upcoming prospects in the 16 - 22 rounds. No doubt Noah. I think we’ll start seeing some upcoming prospects in the 16 – 22 rounds.

]]> By: Matt C. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25642 Matt C. Fri, 02 May 2008 15:21:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25642 Ditto Ram. It's nice to log onto the site everyday to read how many people think I'm the Man. I used to run fantasy baseball and football keeper leagues for several years, which I gave up when I hooked up with Caplan to help run 5 Oz (not enough hours in the day). This draft brings it all back for me. It'll be pretty badass in a year or so when CBS Sports and Yahoo Fantasy role out their MMA fantasy leagues. You know that has to be in the works... Ditto Ram. It’s nice to log onto the site everyday to read how many people think I’m the Man.
I used to run fantasy baseball and football keeper leagues for several years, which I gave up when I hooked up with Caplan to help run 5 Oz (not enough hours in the day). This draft brings it all back for me.
It’ll be pretty badass in a year or so when CBS Sports and Yahoo Fantasy role out their MMA fantasy leagues. You know that has to be in the works…

]]> By: ironic sumo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25641 ironic sumo Fri, 02 May 2008 15:17:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25641 it will be interesting at the end to see which two promotions could band together and put on the best co-promoted card it will be interesting at the end to see which two promotions could band together and put on the best co-promoted card

]]> By: Ram Maramba http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25640 Ram Maramba Fri, 02 May 2008 15:15:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25640 I gotta tell you guys, this has been great fun. Making the picks and developing a strategy is interesting on its own, but the table talk as we make our picks has been a blast. The comments section after each round is posted is probably the best part though, from the WTFs to the insights on why a promotion would or wouldn't be interesting. Keep it coming guys! I gotta tell you guys, this has been great fun. Making the picks and developing a strategy is interesting on its own, but the table talk as we make our picks has been a blast. The comments section after each round is posted is probably the best part though, from the WTFs to the insights on why a promotion would or wouldn’t be interesting. Keep it coming guys!

]]> By: Noah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25636 Noah Fri, 02 May 2008 14:43:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25636 Hey Drek B., I know what you're getting at about drafting new prospects, there's a problem with that idea. Nobody knows them! It's hard enough to speculate on people you've seen fight many times, MMA is too unpredictable. Now you want them to try and pick fighters who nobody (nationally) has ever heard of? That would not be a popular article. By the way guys, I have been interested since round 1. Keep up the good work. Hey Drek B.,

I know what you’re getting at about drafting new prospects, there’s a problem with that idea. Nobody knows them! It’s hard enough to speculate on people you’ve seen fight many times, MMA is too unpredictable. Now you want them to try and pick fighters who nobody (nationally) has ever heard of? That would not be a popular article.

By the way guys, I have been interested since round 1. Keep up the good work.

]]> By: Derek B. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25634 Derek B. Fri, 02 May 2008 13:57:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/02/round-ten-of-five-ounces-of-pains-fantasy-mma-mock-draft/#comment-25634 How about a draft with only new prospects? This is getting exciting though. I can't really choice who has the best roster becuase everyone has great & exciting fighters with all their picks. How about a draft with only new prospects?

This is getting exciting though. I can’t really choice who has the best roster becuase everyone has great & exciting fighters with all their picks.

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