Comments on: Mach, Lion defeated at Shooto Tradition http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: paddiosf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25764 paddiosf Sun, 04 May 2008 14:29:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25764 Mach is looking alittle old in my opinion..Mach normally uses alot more leg kicks in his fights and really didn't have much movement..And looked slow.. Mach is looking alittle old in my opinion..Mach normally uses alot more leg kicks in his fights and really didn’t have much movement..And looked slow..

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25739 Sam Cupitt Sun, 04 May 2008 09:01:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25739 If this were a western event I would think that this would put a dampner on Sakurai fighting the winner of Diaz/Inoue for the DREAM welterweight title. My brother's friend wants to get into Shooto. Apparently Shooto guys don't classify Shooto as MMA... Shooto is just Shooto to most of them.. If this were a western event I would think that this would put a dampner on Sakurai fighting the winner of Diaz/Inoue for the DREAM welterweight title.

My brother’s friend wants to get into Shooto. Apparently Shooto guys don’t classify Shooto as MMA… Shooto is just Shooto to most of them..

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]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25732 Reaser Sun, 04 May 2008 00:47:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25732 #5, I wasn't talking about NEW fans...but eh, whatever... and start watching Arena Football, lots of great players play in the league.... #5, I wasn’t talking about NEW fans…but eh, whatever…

and start watching Arena Football, lots of great players play in the league….

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25731 Patrick Sun, 04 May 2008 00:41:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25731 Baron's guillotine was awesome. Sakurai landed that hard hit that dropped Baron so early though, I was pretty sure Sakurai was going to win after that. Good job on Baron pulling it out though and using a pretty much textbook perfect guillotine choke. Baron’s guillotine was awesome. Sakurai landed that hard hit that dropped Baron so early though, I was pretty sure Sakurai was going to win after that. Good job on Baron pulling it out though and using a pretty much textbook perfect guillotine choke.

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25729 Michael Huckaby Sun, 04 May 2008 00:12:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25729 Don't bring me into your rants. And it never bothers me. I like football but it doesn't mean I watch Arena or XFL just because it's on. And I'm not disrespecting the great history of Shooto by making that a direct comparison, it's just something that's different from what people are used to watching is all. I've said the same thing for years, the more guys you know the more you like the sport. People don't love their first UFC, it takes a while to learn all of the fighters and then they look forward to every card. Then you get them into PRIDE and after awhile they learn all of the fighters and love it. This goes on and on but they have to venture to watch a couple of shows and get to know the people. It always pays off in the long run to know and like more stuff, it's not a chore. Things like Cage Rage and ICON being available free online can only help. I'm not going to blame anyone for not going out of their way to download Nakakura's title win if they don't watch it anyway. I think if it were free online at 7pm on a Tuesday, like Rio Heroes was, people at home would watch it. Don’t bring me into your rants.

And it never bothers me. I like football but it doesn’t mean I watch Arena or XFL just because it’s on. And I’m not disrespecting the great history of Shooto by making that a direct comparison, it’s just something that’s different from what people are used to watching is all.

I’ve said the same thing for years, the more guys you know the more you like the sport. People don’t love their first UFC, it takes a while to learn all of the fighters and then they look forward to every card. Then you get them into PRIDE and after awhile they learn all of the fighters and love it. This goes on and on but they have to venture to watch a couple of shows and get to know the people. It always pays off in the long run to know and like more stuff, it’s not a chore. Things like Cage Rage and ICON being available free online can only help. I’m not going to blame anyone for not going out of their way to download Nakakura’s title win if they don’t watch it anyway. I think if it were free online at 7pm on a Tuesday, like Rio Heroes was, people at home would watch it.

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]]> By: Brett Jones http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25728 Brett Jones Sun, 04 May 2008 00:11:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25728 I can't imagine the sort of imbecile that would have ranked Inoue #1 going into this match. While there's some question as to where Tamura ranks after his loss to Kadowaki, the fact remains that he defeated Inoue. I understand that certain people decided that victories over Toida and Marc Duncan indicate that Inoue has surpassed Tamura, but those people are wrong. If you look at who they've defeated, it's very difficult to rank either Inoue or Tamura ahead of Jeff Curran, let along Urijah Faber. I'm happy to say that the ranking seems all the more justified in light of the posted results. As for KID, his ranking depends on where you draw the line for the Bantamweight and Featherweight classes. I follow EliteXC's limits of 140lbs. for Bantamweight and 150lbs. for Featherweight in order to make things a little simpler. With that in mind, KID falls under the Bantamweight distinction, having most recently fought (twice) at 138lbs. Of course, who knows if he'll still be at that weight now that DREAM exists. I can’t imagine the sort of imbecile that would have ranked Inoue #1 going into this match. While there’s some question as to where Tamura ranks after his loss to Kadowaki, the fact remains that he defeated Inoue. I understand that certain people decided that victories over Toida and Marc Duncan indicate that Inoue has surpassed Tamura, but those people are wrong. If you look at who they’ve defeated, it’s very difficult to rank either Inoue or Tamura ahead of Jeff Curran, let along Urijah Faber. I’m happy to say that the ranking seems all the more justified in light of the posted results.

As for KID, his ranking depends on where you draw the line for the Bantamweight and Featherweight classes. I follow EliteXC’s limits of 140lbs. for Bantamweight and 150lbs. for Featherweight in order to make things a little simpler. With that in mind, KID falls under the Bantamweight distinction, having most recently fought (twice) at 138lbs. Of course, who knows if he’ll still be at that weight now that DREAM exists.

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]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25722 Reaser Sat, 03 May 2008 23:06:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25722 Huck, you find it funny that when there's an article, post, column, whatever on SHOOTO, or many other orgranizations, these people that claim to watch all this MMA, no one ever responds to it, hah... It's ridiculous, even so called journalists/writers on other sites, no idea what SHOOTO is or never watched it once in their lives, not to mention all these supposed "fans." Huck, you find it funny that when there’s an article, post, column, whatever on SHOOTO, or many other orgranizations, these people that claim to watch all this MMA, no one ever responds to it, hah…

It’s ridiculous, even so called journalists/writers on other sites, no idea what SHOOTO is or never watched it once in their lives, not to mention all these supposed “fans.”

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]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25719 jason hughes Sat, 03 May 2008 22:20:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25719 i thought that faber and kid were already the top two in my opinion. i thought that faber and kid were already the top two in my opinion.

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]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-25713 Reaser Sat, 03 May 2008 20:39:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/03/mach-lion-defeated-at-shooto-tradition/#comment-25713 Young and Baron BOTH looked very impressive, though I can't believe that Sakurai let that happen. Young and Baron BOTH looked very impressive, though I can’t believe that Sakurai let that happen.

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