Comments on: Affliction on the verge of losing venue for its first-ever show on July 19 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:52:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26080 Fight Fan Tue, 06 May 2008 15:52:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26080 Olympic boxing weight classes: Light Flyweight | Flyweight | Bantamweight | Featherweight | Lightweight | Light Welterweight | Welterweight | Middleweight | Light Heavyweight | Heavyweight | Super Heavyweight Nothing to do with cross promotion. Olympic boxing weight classes:

Light Flyweight | Flyweight | Bantamweight | Featherweight | Lightweight | Light Welterweight | Welterweight | Middleweight | Light Heavyweight | Heavyweight | Super Heavyweight

Nothing to do with cross promotion.

]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26073 Fight Fan Tue, 06 May 2008 15:37:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26073 Reaser you say they are the best but how do you know. You don't!. Most of the world highly regaurded LW MW HW fighters fight out of the UFC. Boxing has a lot of weight classes, yes but NOT because of cross promotion amature boxing has the same and there are no promotions. Elite XC is starting their own weight class, is that because of cross promotion? no. If you don't want to know who is the best stick to what we have now, and let Dana tell you who the best is. You say Cung Le isn't even top 10. How would you know, he hasn't lost yet. How about lindland? Kang or Jacre. Would Sakuraba beat Silva?. You can say what you want but a lot of peopl said that it was highly unlikely that Randy would beat Tim. You don't know until it happens. "EliteXC has one top 10 (in his weight class) fighter in their entire promotion, and he’s not even one of their “champions”…so your trying to tell me their titles “mean” something??? " No thats the opposite to what I'm saying. Belts don't mean much (including the UFC belts) unless they are unified, like undisputed world champ. Is the UFC champ the world champ? I want to find out, "don't you.Don’t tell me what I’m against, yes too many weight classes, but also too many champions and cross promotion" So you're against cross promotion without the extra weigt classes? and too many belts seems invalid because ther are already 10+ HW champs. If cross promotion could happen without the belts or weight classes would that be OK. Reaser you say they are the best but how do you know. You don’t!. Most of the world highly regaurded LW MW HW fighters fight out of the UFC.
Boxing has a lot of weight classes, yes but NOT because of cross promotion amature boxing has the same and there are no promotions. Elite XC is starting their own weight class, is that because of cross promotion? no. If you don’t want to know who is the best stick to what we have now, and let Dana tell you who the best is.
You say Cung Le isn’t even top 10. How would you know, he hasn’t lost yet. How about lindland? Kang or Jacre. Would Sakuraba beat Silva?. You can say what you want but a lot of peopl said that it was highly unlikely that Randy would beat Tim. You don’t know until it happens.

“EliteXC has one top 10 (in his weight class) fighter in their entire promotion, and he’s not even one of their “champions”…so your trying to tell me their titles “mean” something??? ”

No thats the opposite to what I’m saying. Belts don’t mean much (including the UFC belts) unless they are unified, like undisputed world champ.
Is the UFC champ the world champ? I want to find out,

“don’t you.Don’t tell me what I’m against, yes too many weight classes, but also too many champions and cross promotion”

So you’re against cross promotion without the extra weigt classes? and too many belts seems invalid because ther are already 10+ HW champs. If cross promotion could happen without the belts or weight classes would that be OK.

]]> By: Affliction Banned From EliteXC, Loses Arena For First-Ever Event | MMAFrenzy.com http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26036 Affliction Banned From EliteXC, Loses Arena For First-Ever Event | MMAFrenzy.com Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26036 [...] their broadcast deal with HDNet, which in turn has caused some venue-fumbling for their inaugural July 19 show: “…A proposed deal between Affliction and HDNet appeared to have fallen through. As a [...] […] their broadcast deal with HDNet, which in turn has caused some venue-fumbling for their inaugural July 19 show: “…A proposed deal between Affliction and HDNet appeared to have fallen through. As a […]

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26008 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 03:58:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26008 Well besides HW they have the best.... Best LHW, best MW, best WW, arguably the best LW and zuffa owned WEC has arguably the best FW.... and they will never have tourneyments again Though I wish they would maybe once a year, a summer (all-star for lack of better word) style grand prix, one division a year, so it rotates on a 5 year basis...Imagine the tourney they could put together with Lt. Heavies and Welterweights, even Lightweight.... Well besides HW they have the best….

Best LHW, best MW, best WW, arguably the best LW and zuffa owned WEC has arguably the best FW….

and they will never have tourneyments again

Though I wish they would maybe once a year, a summer (all-star for lack of better word) style grand prix, one division a year, so it rotates on a 5 year basis…Imagine the tourney they could put together with Lt. Heavies and Welterweights, even Lightweight….

]]> By: Affliction Gets The Boot From EliteXC, Loses Arena For First-Ever Event | MMAFrenzy.com http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26001 Affliction Gets The Boot From EliteXC, Loses Arena For First-Ever Event | MMAFrenzy.com Tue, 06 May 2008 03:24:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-26001 [...] their broadcast deal with HDNet, which in turn has caused some venue-fumbling for their inaugural July 19 show: “…A proposed deal between Affliction and HDNet appeared to have fallen through. As a [...] […] their broadcast deal with HDNet, which in turn has caused some venue-fumbling for their inaugural July 19 show: “…A proposed deal between Affliction and HDNet appeared to have fallen through. As a […]

]]> By: jason hughes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25985 jason hughes Tue, 06 May 2008 00:58:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25985 i donthink the ufc can even boast that they have there best fighter in all weight classes, should take a cue from pride and have tournaments ,not open weight grand prixs but weight class specific only tournaments ,so much more interesting than the interm belt lable, which is not fair. i donthink the ufc can even boast that they have there best fighter in all weight classes, should take a cue from pride and have tournaments ,not open weight grand prixs but weight class specific only tournaments ,so much more interesting than the interm belt lable, which is not fair.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25927 Reaser Mon, 05 May 2008 19:33:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25927 #48...What boxing are you watching, every fighter has a title, and the reason the best don't fight the best in boxing is because promoters protect their fighters, which would also happen in MMA. You think UFC would want to risk their champion losing to someone from Strikeforce? Or DREAM LW champ fighting the EliteXC LW champ?? There are no belts to unify in MMA because the other belts are worthless. Cung Le isn't even a top 10 MW, so not sure why people keep saying him and Anderson Silva. So you think that the winner of Lawler-Smith should fight Anderson Silva to unify the titles??? Two guys who washed out of the UFC because they couldn't win (Lawler lost his last 2 UFC fights and Smith was 1-3 in the UFC)... Don't tell me what I'm against, yes too many weight classes, but also too many champions and cross promotion... because again, for the reason's stated in my previous post, cross promotion is basically moving towards a boxing model... EliteXC has one top 10 (in his weight class) fighter in their entire promotion, and he's not even one of their "champions"...so your trying to tell me their titles "mean" something??? Should Bobby Southworth has fought someone in the UFC to unify the strikeforce title with UFC's??? KJ Noons against BJ Penn!?!? That's why their should be 2 at most, top promotions, not 10 to 20 each with their own champions, rules, weight classes, etc... Look at Adrenaline, they call themselves an organization but how many fighters do they have? Exactly, they are just gonna cross promote with other's, so its more like a promoter with a stable of fighters, and since he says its an organization he can fabricate all his guys into saying they are "champions." Take the entire weight class statement out of my previous post and then think about what I was saying, because that was only meant to show that Gary Shaw is "making up" weight classes to benefit one fighter, and that even backfired on him... #48…What boxing are you watching, every fighter has a title, and the reason the best don’t fight the best in boxing is because promoters protect their fighters, which would also happen in MMA. You think UFC would want to risk their champion losing to someone from Strikeforce? Or DREAM LW champ fighting the EliteXC LW champ??

There are no belts to unify in MMA because the other belts are worthless. Cung Le isn’t even a top 10 MW, so not sure why people keep saying him and Anderson Silva.

So you think that the winner of Lawler-Smith should fight Anderson Silva to unify the titles??? Two guys who washed out of the UFC because they couldn’t win (Lawler lost his last 2 UFC fights and Smith was 1-3 in the UFC)…

Don’t tell me what I’m against, yes too many weight classes, but also too many champions and cross promotion…

because again, for the reason’s stated in my previous post, cross promotion is basically moving towards a boxing model…

EliteXC has one top 10 (in his weight class) fighter in their entire promotion, and he’s not even one of their “champions”…so your trying to tell me their titles “mean” something??? Should Bobby Southworth has fought someone in the UFC to unify the strikeforce title with UFC’s??? KJ Noons against BJ Penn!?!?

That’s why their should be 2 at most, top promotions, not 10 to 20 each with their own champions, rules, weight classes, etc…

Look at Adrenaline, they call themselves an organization but how many fighters do they have? Exactly, they are just gonna cross promote with other’s, so its more like a promoter with a stable of fighters, and since he says its an organization he can fabricate all his guys into saying they are “champions.”

Take the entire weight class statement out of my previous post and then think about what I was saying, because that was only meant to show that Gary Shaw is “making up” weight classes to benefit one fighter, and that even backfired on him…

]]> By: First Affliction Show Having Troubles? » MMA HQ - Mixed Martial Arts News and Analysis http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25908 First Affliction Show Having Troubles? » MMA HQ - Mixed Martial Arts News and Analysis Mon, 05 May 2008 15:49:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25908 [...] Sam Caplan at FiveOuncesOfPain.com is reporting that the July 19th show scheduled by the new Affliction promotion may be in jeopardy. [...] […] Sam Caplan at FiveOuncesOfPain.com is reporting that the July 19th show scheduled by the new Affliction promotion may be in jeopardy. […]

]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25873 Fight Fan Mon, 05 May 2008 10:38:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25873 If we could have just 1 or 2 org's that would be fantastic but I just can't see that happening. I hope it can but I won't hold my breath. If we could have just 1 or 2 org’s that would be fantastic but I just can’t see that happening. I hope it can but I won’t hold my breath.

]]> By: Fight Fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25872 Fight Fan Mon, 05 May 2008 10:32:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/04/affliction-on-the-verge-of-losing-venue-for-its-first-ever-show-on-july-19/#comment-25872 Reaser you're against too many weight classes not cross promotion. With no cross promotion we will never have a true champ. Is Anderson Silva the true MW champ? is BJ the best LW? would Fedor have beaten Randy in the UFC to become undisputed HW champ?. There is a lot of money in MMA now and there are going to be multiple org's anyway (with whatever weight classes they want) with no cross promotion we are going to have ten HW champs (Elite, Dream, IFL, WVR, UFC, Strikeforce etc.). At least with cross promotion we can find out which one is the true champ. Also with cross promotion we could have official rankings (how I don't know). And people such as Dana White would have less influence on who becomes champ (he would want the best fighter to be champ rather than the most marketable). Would Cung Le beat Anderson Silva? say whatever you want but without cross promotion we will never know...and I for one, want to know. I hope this Affliction works really well and cross promotion takes off so MMA is saved from a slow divided demise. Besides with all due respect I don't think cross promotion has anything to do with the amount of weight classes in boxing or the amount of belts. Cross promotion in boxing unifies belts, which is really decreasing the amount of legit belts. As it stands now in MMA there are maybe 8-10 major org's with 8-10 belts. Lets unify them. Reaser you’re against too many weight classes not cross promotion. With no cross promotion we will never have a true champ. Is Anderson Silva the true MW champ? is BJ the best LW? would Fedor have beaten Randy in the UFC to become undisputed HW champ?.
There is a lot of money in MMA now and there are going to be multiple org’s anyway (with whatever weight classes they want) with no cross promotion we are going to have ten HW champs (Elite, Dream, IFL, WVR, UFC, Strikeforce etc.). At least with cross promotion we can find out which one is the true champ.
Also with cross promotion we could have official rankings (how I don’t know). And people such as Dana White would have less influence on who becomes champ (he would want the best fighter to be champ rather than the most marketable).
Would Cung Le beat Anderson Silva? say whatever you want but without cross promotion we will never know…and I for one, want to know. I hope this Affliction works really well and cross promotion takes off so MMA is saved from a slow divided demise.
Besides with all due respect I don’t think cross promotion has anything to do with the amount of weight classes in boxing or the amount of belts. Cross promotion in boxing unifies belts, which is really decreasing the amount of legit belts. As it stands now in MMA there are maybe 8-10 major org’s with 8-10 belts. Lets unify them.

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