Comments on: ROUND THIRTEEN of Five Ounces of Pain’s MMA Fantasy Mock Draft http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Five Ounces of Pain | ROUND TWENTY-ONE of Five Ounces of Pain’s MMA Fantasy Mock Draft causes controversy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-27695 Five Ounces of Pain | ROUND TWENTY-ONE of Five Ounces of Pain’s MMA Fantasy Mock Draft causes controversy Sat, 17 May 2008 13:01:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-27695 [...] click here for round 13 [...] [...] click here for round 13 [...]

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]]> By: Five Ounces of Pain | ROUND 16 of Five Ounces Of Pain’s MMA Fantasy Mock Draft http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26603 Five Ounces of Pain | ROUND 16 of Five Ounces Of Pain’s MMA Fantasy Mock Draft Sat, 10 May 2008 11:20:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26603 [...] click here for round 13 [...] [...] click here for round 13 [...]

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26128 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 22:42:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26128 #13, Please comprehend what I write before trying to "correct" me... No one here is trying to run an organization (fantasy) in Japan...That's fairly obvious, so what are you even talking about??? #13, Please comprehend what I write before trying to “correct” me…

No one here is trying to run an organization (fantasy) in Japan…That’s fairly obvious, so what are you even talking about???

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26102 Sam Caplan Tue, 06 May 2008 18:36:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26102 There were no requirements. It was on everyone to develop their own strategy and figure out how they would attack the market. For me though, I'm American. I wouldn't be opposed to doing business in Japan if they were more receptive to outside business interests, but they aren't. If I was Japanese, perhaps I would have had a different strategy considering Japan would have them also been an option for me. There were no requirements. It was on everyone to develop their own strategy and figure out how they would attack the market. For me though, I’m American. I wouldn’t be opposed to doing business in Japan if they were more receptive to outside business interests, but they aren’t. If I was Japanese, perhaps I would have had a different strategy considering Japan would have them also been an option for me.

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26100 Michaelthebox Tue, 06 May 2008 18:06:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26100 Sam, is there any requirement it be a US-based company? I was thinking something like a Japanese company with a single gaijin as chair or ceo or some such thing. Obviously its a risk, but it strikes me as less a risk than having 6 promotions all in the US. Of course, now we're getting into the nitty gritty. It just really surprises me that everybody thought that competing with one another for the US market was a better plan than attacking different markets. Sam, is there any requirement it be a US-based company? I was thinking something like a Japanese company with a single gaijin as chair or ceo or some such thing. Obviously its a risk, but it strikes me as less a risk than having 6 promotions all in the US.

Of course, now we’re getting into the nitty gritty. It just really surprises me that everybody thought that competing with one another for the US market was a better plan than attacking different markets.

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26088 Sam Caplan Tue, 06 May 2008 16:10:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26088 <p>Knowing what I know about Japanese culture and its feeling about outside entities doing business in their country, as a U.S.-based company, I would never try to start an MMA company in Japan. I would also be very cautious about expanding operations into that market, unless it was a perfect situation and I knew there was the potential for my promotion to be embraced by the Japanese MMA community. If your promotion is labeled as being gaijin, then you're dead on arrival in Japan.</p> Knowing what I know about Japanese culture and its feeling about outside entities doing business in their country, as a U.S.-based company, I would never try to start an MMA company in Japan. I would also be very cautious about expanding operations into that market, unless it was a perfect situation and I knew there was the potential for my promotion to be embraced by the Japanese MMA community. If your promotion is labeled as being gaijin, then you’re dead on arrival in Japan.

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26082 Michaelthebox Tue, 06 May 2008 15:53:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26082 Umm, Reaser, they wouldn't draft Kimbo second if they were gonna run their promotion in Japan. They'd draft a fighter with pull in Japan. Thats the whole point. There were no rules stating they had to run their shows in the US. Sam, I think even with the downturn in the Japanese market, it would be a better bet than competing against 5 other similar promotions in the US market. But your mileage may vary. Umm, Reaser, they wouldn’t draft Kimbo second if they were gonna run their promotion in Japan. They’d draft a fighter with pull in Japan. Thats the whole point. There were no rules stating they had to run their shows in the US.

Sam, I think even with the downturn in the Japanese market, it would be a better bet than competing against 5 other similar promotions in the US market. But your mileage may vary.

]]> By: croyalporter http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26038 croyalporter Tue, 06 May 2008 13:11:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26038 Huckaby may have just pulled ahead of Cava with the Gracie pick. Leben doesn't seem to fit in with the other fighters he's already selected. Most of his picks are highly skilled and versatile, while Leben, although I enjoy watching him, is a pretty straightforward brawler. I haven't read the next round yet, so we'll see if Cava can make up for a fairly mediocre pick for his org. Huckaby may have just pulled ahead of Cava with the Gracie pick. Leben doesn’t seem to fit in with the other fighters he’s already selected. Most of his picks are highly skilled and versatile, while Leben, although I enjoy watching him, is a pretty straightforward brawler. I haven’t read the next round yet, so we’ll see if Cava can make up for a fairly mediocre pick for his org.

]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26031 Patrick Tue, 06 May 2008 12:21:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26031 Glad Yves Edwards got picked up, that bunny hop knee still cracks me up. Glad Yves Edwards got picked up, that bunny hop knee still cracks me up.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26028 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 09:10:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26028 Or at least 3 of the 4.... Or at least 3 of the 4….

]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26026 Sam Caplan Tue, 06 May 2008 09:00:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26026 <p>Japan is a declining market for MMA right now. Not to mention, the PPV system over there isn't what it is over here. The revenue model in Japan is too dependent on deals with network TV. If I was going to attempt to conquer a market, it would be North America before anything else. But that's just me. And as far as trying to conquer multiple markets at once, I'd rather have a foothold in one area of the globe before I expand into other areas. Again, that's just me.</p> Japan is a declining market for MMA right now. Not to mention, the PPV system over there isn’t what it is over here. The revenue model in Japan is too dependent on deals with network TV. If I was going to attempt to conquer a market, it would be North America before anything else. But that’s just me. And as far as trying to conquer multiple markets at once, I’d rather have a foothold in one area of the globe before I expand into other areas. Again, that’s just me.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26024 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 08:01:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26024 #7, these guys aren't idiots... What do you mean not the case? Read back at some of their posts in the comment's section on past rounds of this draft. They are US based, so most likely they are running US based organizations, they are drafting based for promoting their athletes in the US for the most part. Otherwise why would Kimbo go second round if they were running a promotion in Japan? If that were the case they might as well have picked Bob Sapp 1st round...If they were doing this for "taking" Japan they would have already picked Sakuraba, Hidehiko Yoshida, hell someone would have already taken Bobby Ologun for the new years show... #7, these guys aren’t idiots…

What do you mean not the case? Read back at some of their posts in the comment’s section on past rounds of this draft. They are US based, so most likely they are running US based organizations, they are drafting based for promoting their athletes in the US for the most part. Otherwise why would Kimbo go second round if they were running a promotion in Japan?

If that were the case they might as well have picked Bob Sapp 1st round…If they were doing this for “taking” Japan they would have already picked Sakuraba, Hidehiko Yoshida, hell someone would have already taken Bobby Ologun for the new years show…

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26023 Michaelthebox Tue, 06 May 2008 07:14:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26023 Not the case, Reaser. And they're taking plenty of fighters from the Japanese promotions, so they've been dissolved too. No, I think it just didn't occur to anybody to try and take Japan. Not the case, Reaser. And they’re taking plenty of fighters from the Japanese promotions, so they’ve been dissolved too. No, I think it just didn’t occur to anybody to try and take Japan.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26021 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 06:07:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26021 I believe this is draft is for a US based promotion...otherwise some of the picks wouldn't make much sense at all....and they would have already drafted guys that are like "gods" in Japan... I believe this is draft is for a US based promotion…otherwise some of the picks wouldn’t make much sense at all….and they would have already drafted guys that are like “gods” in Japan…

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26019 Michaelthebox Tue, 06 May 2008 05:33:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26019 Can money be made in the US with anything besides a gate? None of these guys are gonna be the UFC. Can money be made in the US with anything besides a gate? None of these guys are gonna be the UFC.

]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26017 Evan Tue, 06 May 2008 05:23:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26017 "One thing that surprises me is that nobody has gone for a straight win-the-Japanese-market gameplan." can money be made there with anything besides a gate? “One thing that surprises me is that nobody has gone for a straight win-the-Japanese-market gameplan.”

can money be made there with anything besides a gate?

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-26016 Michaelthebox Tue, 06 May 2008 05:02:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-26016 One thing that surprises me is that nobody has gone for a straight win-the-Japanese-market gameplan. One thing that surprises me is that nobody has gone for a straight win-the-Japanese-market gameplan.

]]> By: dedstrk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25997 dedstrk Tue, 06 May 2008 02:02:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-25997 I love the Jacare and Leben picks. I'm surprised it took this long for either to go off the board. Leben may not be the best fighter but like Cava stated he's an exciting fighter and is very charismatic. Oh, and he loves to fight. I love the Jacare and Leben picks. I’m surprised it took this long for either to go off the board. Leben may not be the best fighter but like Cava stated he’s an exciting fighter and is very charismatic. Oh, and he loves to fight.

]]> By: Reaser http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-25978 Reaser Tue, 06 May 2008 00:24:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/05/13th-round-of-5-oz-of-pains-mma-fantasy-mock-draft/#comment-25978 Back to back rounds Ram pulls off the best pick... Finally someone takes Jacare...Here's hoping Maia gets picked soon also... Huck, Cupitt and Cava with solid choices... Cava's still leading but I have a feeling Ram could make a late round comeback and come out with the best roster, but there's also Huck and Cupitt hanging around also... Back to back rounds Ram pulls off the best pick…

Finally someone takes Jacare…Here’s hoping Maia gets picked soon also…

Huck, Cupitt and Cava with solid choices…

Cava’s still leading but I have a feeling Ram could make a late round comeback and come out with the best roster, but there’s also Huck and Cupitt hanging around also…

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