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Bas Rutten tries to silence the Kimbo haters

Ben Fowlkes has a new article up about Kimbo Slice at SI.com where he gets a great quote from Bas Rutten, one of Kimbo’s trainers, regarding the hate that Kimbo has to deal with now because EliteXC has put him in a main event:

“I don’t see anything that he does wrong for these people to talk about him like this,” Rutten said. “Is it just because of the way he dresses that they call him a thug? If he dressed however they told him to dress, just to make people happy, that seems more like a slave to me. More people know him than know some other fighters, and some guys don’t like that, but that’s not his fault.”

Exactly the point. None of this hype is Kimbo’s fault. He’s just a fighter who likes to fight. Chuck Liddell was the first one to take shots at Kimbo, not the other way around. People are quick to forget that. People are also quick to forget that Kimbo didn’t put himself in commercials, didn’t put himself in the main event, and didn’t ask to fight cans. And since when did being a heavyweight prospect early in your MMA career become a bad thing?

If you asked Kimbo to fight Chuck Liddell, I’m sure he would have no problem with that but his handlers would. A lot of this stuff is totally out of his control, so the hate is completely unwarranted.

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  • bjjdenver says:

    I would rather see Bas vs Chuck.

    LIVERSHOT!

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  • Evan says:

    I don’t think very many people hate Kimbo, they just get tired of hearing about him. Its something daily.

    Same thing happened with Chuck and Franklin but at least they had done something along with their hype.

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  • Reaser says:

    Do people do any research anymore??? They don’t hate him because of how he dresses or because he (allegedly) looks like, or dresses like a thug…

    Are you telling me its out of his control that he flashes the 4th street brothers gang sign in more than half of his on camera appearances???

    He’s flashing gang signs, and somehow thats GREAT for the sport???

    And most of the so called hate that I come across is more for Gary Shaw for helping ruin boxing and now he’s doing the same shit in MMA…

    Has a 2-0 fighter who flashes gang signs, was involved in porn and made his name off losing a backyard fight on youtube, has that guy against a guy who’s got knocked out in most of his recent fights, thats the main event, while a title fight is on the card and not the main event???

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  • steve24 says:

    What Chuck said about Kimbo was not a low blow or taking shots at him. Kimbo’s response to Chuck was taking shots at Chuck.

    Every other article i read about Kimbo or Bas is about people disrespecting him. He hasn’t even witnessed anything yet. If he can’t handle it now, I hope he doesnt get any more popular.

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  • Evan says:

    Excellent point steve24. I think Bas and Kimbo need to realize that the moment you’re a poster boy this is what happens.

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  • bigfish042 says:

    It is easy to say that Kimbo would agree to fight Chuck or a tougher fighter. Yeah it is simple to say that because ANYONE in the mma business and many outside KNOW FOR DAMN WELL that Kimbo’s people(managers, Elite XC, etc ,etc) will NOT LET HIM FIGHT ANYONE WITH A CHANCE IN HELL OF BEATING HIM and taking away their cash cow.

    And Kimbo knows that as well. So sure it is simple for him to say HE WILL FIGHT ANYONE because he know damn well that he will be fighting cantrell caliber fighters until the csah well runs dry. So Kimbo would most likely say he will fight anyone, knowing for 100% sure tha his “guys” will only face him against scrubs that dont even belong in the game( tank abbot, 50 yr old Mercer, Cantrell, I was tapping before I got hit)

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  • Evan says:

    There is a pretty easy way to shut everyone up…fight someone legit and win…or stop over promoting him. It really is easy.

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  • john says:

    Its true, its not his fault but for MMA enthusiasts he is insanely annoying. Rutten is completely off base when he said its because of how he dresses, no one cares how he dresses or looks. Its all because of Gary Shaw, he thinks he is a master promoter but you can put Kimbo against cream puff after cream puff. Everyone thinks Thompson is legit, but thats because they probably don’t know anything. Thompson has to have hands down the lowest IQ in all of MMA. Honestly what kind of a guy with a glass chin bull rushes people time after time just to get knocked out? Buentello wanted to fight Kimbo and Shaw did not want to give him this fight, why? Because it would expose Kimbo as a sub-par fighter with sophomoric skills, if Kimbo lost to Buentello Elite XC is over plain and simple, I know they have Lawler and other’s but honestly an entire league is riding the back of an unproven fighter thats why i hate Kimbo, because of Gary Shaw, I dont care if its fair.

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  • Raiderbeast says:

    maybe if he stops acting and talking like a thug, then people will stop calling him one. Like Reaser pointed out, Kimbo flashes his ‘gang’ crap all the time.

    Shaw ruined boxing and he’ll do the same with MMA, especially when they pass out those lovely ‘Kick Ass Kimbo’ signs again and show them on CBS.

    I’m sure MMA haters will enjoy seeing that crap.

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  • jball says:

    i agree with reaver… i also think its funny how he can have such a mouth on him and throw gang signs and cuss like he does and then say “i would like to thank GOD”… nobody’s perfect i know this… but i think most of yall will agree we dont try to do this stuff on national television…

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  • Patrick says:

    To reiterate what others have said: It’s not that people hate Kimbo, it’s that we hate the fact that we’re always hearing about him, and that he has this fan troupe that thinks he’s the greatest fighter since Achilles. It’s ridiculous, until he proves himself he shouldn’t be getting as much attention as he is, especially with better more deserving fighters out there actually taking on stiff competition.

    I don’t hate Kimbo, I think he’s a pretty entertaining guy, but right now he’s a sideshow and nothing more.

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  • ekc says:

    are there any black fans that hate Kimbo?? or is it just a white thing?

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  • john says:

    ekc your a moron, apparently by screen names you can tell the color of peoples skin? Its more of a he needs to prove himself then he’s black, i’m seriously cracking up here about how dumb you are.

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  • john says:

    And ekc if your over the age of 12 you should be ashamed of yourself.

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    Totally agree with No. 7 Evan. Quality wins will silence the legit critics. Maybe not haters, but every fighter has those.

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  • jj says:

    If you got rid of every fighter out there that had a dubious past and was involved in streetfighting at some point there would be a lot less fighters in MMA. MANY Brazilians and Hawaiians would be ruled out, not to mention loads of others. Many fighters get started in martial arts in order to survive the streets they live on, Bas Rutten included. Kimbo is taking fighting seriously now and people should stop harassing him about shit from years ago.

    Everyone needs to stop making this into soap opera bullshit. When he loses then let him have it, until then, STFU.

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  • bjjdenver says:

    In some ways, the Kimbo band wagon rubs me the wrong way, but probably not as much as the bashing and racially charged remarks you find all over the net.

    However, using a timely example, I don’t see a huge, huge difference between his story and Matt Brown from TUF. Both have done some questionable things in their past and now are pushing hard to improve their lives. Now I know it isn’t exactly the same, but where is any outrage about Brown (not that there should be)?

    People make such a big deal out of the Kimbo phenomenon, but I will reserve judgement until he gains experience and steps up in competition.

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  • orlando says:

    Okay…..wow ill be first to admit this when kimbo started training at me gym, and with our best fighter at the time charles mccarthy i was kind of like dude is this guy serious….like he wouldnt get messed up but he would get messed up when it got to floor….his stand up for not knowing any crazy technique was awesome…..yeah as many mma guys i didnt like him at first too much, but he is good he has a name….he has a persona….it doesnt matter if this guy was in any gang, or posse whatever if thats who he is then thats who he is…..why do people make such a big deal….part of making it in anything thats mainstream involves…..money,women, and haters…..always in anything that you do that involves public eye….screw man people can talk as much as they want. Gary Shaw said it right “we are going to make him an international star”. Hes an attraction to elite xc its awesome because its starting to show anyone can do it. I dont know lets see what the future holds, but in my opinion he is going to keep on winning till he fights a formittable opp who can take hits, and go to the ground….

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    still can’t understand where all the hate comes from. like jj said, “If you got rid of every fighter out there that had a dubious past and was involved in streetfighting at some point there would be a lot less fighters in MMA. ” didn’t BJ penn just cop a plea in his assualt case on a police officer? doesn’t tito ortiz brag about almost killing people in street fights?
    if you search “kevin ferguson” or “kimbo slice” on smokinggun there are ZERO results. never heard of a “thug” or alleged gang member not having a lengthy record. and about him flashing gang signs, where has it been documented in print media? if it is true i’m sure everybody would appericate a link to a story that discusses it. until then, it’s all negative speculation. the only legitimate thing that people have to hate on is the quality of his opponents so far. i’m sure he won’t be crushing cans forever.

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  • Jackyl says:

    The Kimbo situation is a classic example of insiders not wanting outsiders taking over their territory. This happened to a lesser extent with some of the TUF winners. “Why is this guy getting all the exposure, I’ve been fighting in the trenches for years, etc.”. I certainly understand all of that but let’s not forget that we are in the fighting business. Seriously, it’s a CAGE FIGHT. By it’s nature such activity will possibly attract unsavory types. So what if he flashes gang signs, that’s his set. The sport doesn’t have to be so pure. Sure it’s great to see the BJJ black belts work their craft and such. But the fact is, no matter how much training you have, sometimes you get put in with a bad ass and get your ass kicked. Punch a black belt in the face and they’re a brown belt, punch them again and they’re a purple, and so on. Kimbo has no previous formal training, he’s just a big tough guy that likes to fight. Why not put him in and see how it goes? And I think you’ll see Kimbo in a big fight sooner rather than later.

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  • Reaser says:

    If we could post pictures here I’de post a picture of his flashing his gang sign…

    or how about watch a video interview with him on the internet or when he walked out to the cage on Showtime…

    Jeff you must be drunk, and or don’t watch any MMA if you haven’t seen him flash gang signs….

    and its not hating, again if you last couple people could read most of everyone here has expressed their “hate” for Gary Shaw and how Kimbo is promoted, which wouldn’t be his fault except that he plays up the part, flashing gang signs, etc…

    I don’t see BJ Penn or Matt Brown flashing gang signs every other time they are on camera…

    There’s those of us who speak facts, then you got the haters which I haven’t seen much of that around here, then you got the guys who are on Kimbo’s nuts, which I have seen a lot of that around here and its ridiculous…

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    oh, ok so your a gang expert, my bad. yes i’ve seen him flash the “gang sign” on his walk ins. guess you’ve never seen kids who live in urban or suburban areas flash signs representing what street or “hood” they’re from. does that make them gang members too? maybe kimbo grew up or hung out on “4th street”.
    never claimed that BJ(my favorite fighter) flashes gang signs. since you only speak cold hard facts Reaser, then please enlighten us by posting a link to a story about kimbo’s gang affiliation so us so called kimbo “nutthuggers” will stfu.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    This should read “Adam Morgan tries to silence Kimbo haters”.
    You know people don’t only hate Kimbo for the way he looks and so does Rutten but neither of you can come out and defend the real thing that pisses most of MMA fans off, and that is he’s fake. Bo took a dive, Tank was under performing and I would say this Thomson fellow already knows he’s not allowed to win.

    “He’s just a fighter who likes to fight.”

    You better hope not Adam because he’s gonna be pissed when one day he looks down and sees you hanging off his nuts.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    I apologise for that. A little harsh but why defend the indefencable.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    P.S. ekc is extremely racist. Who bought race into this mate?…you did.

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  • Joey says:

    Are all of you f-ing serious? He’s fighting cans? He’s had two professional f-ing fights! Of course he’s not fighting legit fighters!

    Bo Cantrell for a first fight is pretty impressive if you ask me. Most peoples first fight is against random local no-name from regional show. Bo Cantrell is at least a former meaningless beltholder in somewhat known mma promotion, hell him and tank probably had a chance to win the Yamma tournament if they entered. I’m sure Kimbo will fight legit competition in time, don’t say they’re overhandling him.

    This is how fighting works, you don’t fight anywhere near the best in your first fight. Liddells first fight was against Noe Hernandez (. . .who?), not Bas Rutten. BJ Penn’s first fight was against Joey Gilbert . . . Floyd Mayweather’s first opponent was Roberto Apodaca. He didn’t fight De la Hoya in his first fight! Good lord people, if you are seriously upset over the level of competition that Kimbo is fighting right now you don’t understand combat sports at all. Go practice your Tae Kwon Do and watch WWE.

    Why is he headlining fights? Because people want to see him!!! Thats why!!! They are tuning in to watching him fight, they don’t care that he’s fighting ‘cans.’ They want to see him fight, so of course he’s being marketed and headlined.

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  • Joey says:

    Brock Lesnar fought Frank Mir right away, I give him props but he lost . . . he almost won, but he lost. They shouldn’t have had him fight Frank Mir for his first fight.

    Also, Urijah Faber flashes ‘gang signs’ all the time. Every time he’s on TV he is giving the hang 10 california surfer hand symbols.

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  • Evan says:

    Kimbo and Bas should call a whaaaaambulance cause people are so mean.

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    #27

    The “hang loose” hand sign is now gang related? You can’t be serious. What gangs? The Redondo Dudes? The Bad Barrels? Tubular Boys?

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  • Joey says:

    I’ve proven i’m an idiot i’ll stop talking, i just found out hang ten means hanging 10 toes off a surf board nothing to do with gangs, sorry i have to go back to class (9th grade science is a killer!)

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  • John says:

    The thing that pisses me off is all these people who think Kimbo is the next coming, wait until he beats someone half decent. Joey you are a complete moron the Bo Cantrell fights was one of the worst fights in MMA history, dude took less punches then i would have took. And orlando you dont train with Charles McCarthy and if you do tell him to stop talking shit about people and i’m glad he retired.

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  • Joey says:

    John, you’re a moron, it was his first fight! Who the hell did you want him to fight? Fedor! Are you kidding me? Just because he’s popular and everyone wants to see him fight, you don’t throw him to the dogs in the first fight, YOU BUILD FUCKING FIGHTERS. You fight people that aren’t any good for a little bit.

    Mike, the Faber thing was a joke . . . not a funny one, but a joke none the less

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    Joey:

    No worries. I don’t get out much, so for all I knew it was now a gang thing.

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  • 33 responses has to be a record for this site. Love him or hate him, Slice is the kind of person that gets people talking. That’s good for the sport anyway you cut it.

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  • John says:

    I dont care about the gangs, and i understand you build a fighter, but rarely in anything has someone been so overrated, I have nothing against Kimbo just those who just started watching UFC when the Ultimate Fighter came out and act liek they know everything. When Kimbo beat Cantrell it was Cantrell’s 5th loss in a row, if you watched that fight and you know MMA it was weaker then Kalib Starnes. Do you know who Paul Buentello is Joey? Probably not because you seem to be lacking on the common sense side. Anyhow Buentello called him out multiple times and they didnt make the fight, why? Because Buentello would kill Kimbo and he isn’t even a top 20 heavyweight.

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  • John says:

    Also Joey to think Tank or Cantrell could win in YAMMA proves you dont know anything, Tank hasn’t won a fight in 3 YEARS and Cantrell hasn’t won a fight in over 2 years, wow great competition.

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  • Reaser says:

    gotta agree with #35…

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  • baker 34 says:

    i gotta agree with #35 too

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  • Terry says:

    Here’s the way that i see it … There are a lot of more experienced MMA fighters out there in the UFC primarily that resent the hell out of Kimbo for two reasons: 1) The guy is mad famous b/c of the entire internet/youtube phenomenon. Plain and simple. Kimbo is the most downloaded guy on you tube period. Well done. Leave it @ that. 2) He is flat out getting paid. He’s out earning what a lot of much more experienced MMA fighters are earning on a per fight basis. So do the math. More popular (whether or not that is rightly justified or not on pure MMA fighting ablility/experience), + a lot more money per fight than 75% of the UFC (more “experienced/veteran”) fighters, equals a lot of jealousy and hard feelings. Why not applaud the guy for getting into the sport a lot later than most other guys in the game, and making a run @ it?!?!? We shouldn’t be happy for a guy supporting his family …. One thing is for certain though, sooner or later, Kimbo will be allowed to fight what others deem to be a “Real Opponent”, and I have a funny feeling he’s going to make a bery loud statement.

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  • DPK says:

    Kimbo is fighting the level of fighter that he should be fighting right now. I think the argument that everyone has is that he is the main event, which is just stupid. It was similar with Lesnar, except that he was fighting someone with a resume that he had no business being in the ring with. Tank was washed up 10 years ago, so I didn’t really expect him to do anything except collect his paycheck at the end of the night. Give Kimbo a few more fights, if his caliber of opponet doesn’t start increasing then it becomes a free for all.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    Joey you are blind to the fact of him headlinning a sport he has no cred in. Does that happen in any other sport?. If you can name one I’ll lay off. As for the Cantrall fight, I have never seen a fighter look to tap so quickly, he either didn’t want to fight or he was told or paid to take a dive (the later think).
    People want to see him because he’s marketed so well, not because he’s a good fighter and that to me is making a mockery of the sport of MMA.
    Chuck Lidell wasn’t headlinning shows when he had his first fight and I’m sure his opponent wasn’t fed to him like Kimbo’s are.
    If Kimbo fights other up and comming fighters then that is fine but he doesn’t. He fights shit fighters that at the very least under perform, gee what a monster.
    Just imagine if a new tennis player came into tennis and they wouldn’t put him against talented opponents but he was still headlinning the US open. Do you think serious tennis fans would like that?.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    “Go practice your Tae Kwon Do and watch WWE”

    Joey WWE fighters have set up fights and so does Kimbo. Maybe you should give WWE a go. WHAT is wrong with Tae kwon do?.

    “Bo Cantrell for a first fight is pretty impressive if you ask me”

    You are a NOOB.

    We don’t want Kimbo to fight Fedor you dick just real fights. Do we complain about other fighters like this?. The reason being that other fighters are not hyped up like Dimbo is, and other fighters have to fight real fighters at the same level. I mean Joey you just said that he doesn’t fight legit fighters, he’s hyped up and the reason he is headlinning shows is because noobs want to see him fight…duh, that’s the problem.

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  • Joey says:

    You guys are insane. Elite XC is marketing Kimbo and handling him they way they should to make moeny. If he lost one of his first three fights they would be in trouble. hopefully by his fourth or fifth fight he’ll start fighting better people. I want to see him against a guy with experience and talent too, then i want to see him against someone with a ground game. the yamma comment was a bit of a joke, but Im willing to guess that as far as mma history and theory im alot smarter than you think.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    Thats good joey but you are missing the point.

    “Elite XC is marketing Kimbo and handling him they way they should to make moeny”

    Yeah thats right but you could market Peewee Herman as a fighter if you do it the way EXC has done it with Kimbo. You earn the right to headline shows etc. He hasn’t fought a true MMA fight yet. You may laugh but I really think Butterbean is the superior MMA fighter from what I’ve seen of Kimbo, I think thats someone Kimbo would have to try and take down. He hasn’t fought a true MMA fight yet in my opinion. He hasn’t really grappled or anything and I’ll keep saying it, his first 2 fights were fixed ( This one will be to). They can’t afford to have Kimbo lose and thats a bad thing for fair competition. Imagine if Thomson won…they CAN’T let that happen, so I think they would have made sure it doesn’t.

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  • Fight Fan says:

    You can’t market Kimbo like they’ve done and have him lose to a can like Thomson can you? it’s too much of a risk especially cuz he’s a can. I may be wrong but I would say it’s literally impossible for Thomson to win ( unless by accident).

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  • Lucas says:

    The truth is im brazilian and brazilians own the world of MMA . anyone else is just garbage. EXCLUDING: FEDOR, RANDY COUTURE. anderson silva will pwn anyone in the league.

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