Comments on: Who put the hallucinogens in the DREAM kool-aid? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:36:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: TygerYG http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-27180 TygerYG Tue, 13 May 2008 19:45:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-27180 Dream was as good as it can be at this point. Dream and World.Victory.Road are spawns of Pride. They need time to grow. It's like the circle of life. I for one Welcome the live broadcast and Bas Rutten's return. Could their have been better fighters? Yes Gomi and Kid Yamamoto's entry into the lightwight tournament would have really been Dream like. But give the new fight leagues time to bolster their rosters again. I enjoy the new mma landscape because their is a little bit of Pride all over the world now. As long as good fights and plenty of fights happen I'm all for it. Thanx Sam Caplan for providing a good way to pass time with your informative ariticles Dream was as good as it can be at this point. Dream and World.Victory.Road are spawns of Pride. They need time to grow. It’s like the circle of life. I for one Welcome the live broadcast and Bas Rutten’s return. Could their have been better fighters? Yes Gomi and Kid Yamamoto’s entry into the lightwight tournament would have really been Dream like. But give the new fight leagues time to bolster their rosters again. I enjoy the new mma landscape because their is a little bit of Pride all over the world now. As long as good fights and plenty of fights happen I’m all for it. Thanx Sam Caplan for providing a good way to pass time with your informative ariticles

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]]> By: WARNING.CONTAINS.SPOILERS http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-27101 WARNING.CONTAINS.SPOILERS Tue, 13 May 2008 07:20:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-27101 You elitist noob. You elitist noob.

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]]> By: smoogleton http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26955 smoogleton Mon, 12 May 2008 19:16:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26955 They sold roughy 22,000 seats, there is no need to paper a 37,000 seat arena when you pulling off a successful show. I talked to someone in Japan and all the indicators suggest this event was something of a hit, with increasing advertising presence, and the papers are reporting it as a return to form for Japanese MMA. Nobody is going to argue that HDNet still has a way to go with the live production, but your criticisms of DREAM itself are way off They sold roughy 22,000 seats, there is no need to paper a 37,000 seat arena when you pulling off a successful show. I talked to someone in Japan and all the indicators suggest this event was something of a hit, with increasing advertising presence, and the papers are reporting it as a return to form for Japanese MMA.

Nobody is going to argue that HDNet still has a way to go with the live production, but your criticisms of DREAM itself are way off

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26951 bjjdenver Mon, 12 May 2008 18:58:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26951 mmm...kool aid. Seriously, I'm drinking it up and it tastes goooooooood! Does it bring back feelings of Pride? Of course, but what is wrong with that? The theatrics are fun. Better than UFC, but not as over the top as the K1 Dynamite crapfest in LA. The fights are good. Sure they don't have many of the big name UFC American recognized, TUF is the best type of fighters, but they do have legit top guys that most mma fans know of. The announcers aren't bad. Bas is better than Trigg and Rice is pedestrian, but no matter who it is, someone will be bitching about them. And damn, we get the screaming lady back!! There is just something about the production style that makes it present mma as a legit, more mainstream sport than what American shows do. Maybe it is because Japan accepts it as such, I don't know, but I do know it is a good thing. I'm not one of the Pride/dream/EXC/Anything is better than the UFC or vice versa guys. It is just great to have more, good mma available to us fans. And to me, different productions, rules, styles and fighting platforms, are a good thing. i don't love the cage and I don't love the ring, but I do love the variety. mmm…kool aid.

Seriously, I’m drinking it up and it tastes goooooooood!

Does it bring back feelings of Pride? Of course, but what is wrong with that?

The theatrics are fun. Better than UFC, but not as over the top as the K1 Dynamite crapfest in LA.

The fights are good. Sure they don’t have many of the big name UFC American recognized, TUF is the best type of fighters, but they do have legit top guys that most mma fans know of.

The announcers aren’t bad. Bas is better than Trigg and Rice is pedestrian, but no matter who it is, someone will be bitching about them. And damn, we get the screaming lady back!!

There is just something about the production style that makes it present mma as a legit, more mainstream sport than what American shows do. Maybe it is because Japan accepts it as such, I don’t know, but I do know it is a good thing.

I’m not one of the Pride/dream/EXC/Anything is better than the UFC or vice versa guys. It is just great to have more, good mma available to us fans. And to me, different productions, rules, styles and fighting platforms, are a good thing. i don’t love the cage and I don’t love the ring, but I do love the variety.

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]]> By: muttly http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26950 muttly Mon, 12 May 2008 18:54:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26950 There really are some well done posts in this comment section. Opinions stated, without personal insults and the like. You can easily identify those with too much emotional involvement with DREAM though, and every time I've ever made a negative comment about how dream is run, people get up in arms like I insulted their mother. I just wish people would take an objective standpoint. Has DREAM lived up to the accolades their fanboys have heaped on them? Nope. Has DREAM put together all the best matches people want to see? Well, as best they can, maybe. Will DREAM get better? One would assume so. It's too soon to be calling anything by DREAM great. They've got potential, and they're still finding their formula. Can't people just say the card was great for only their 3rd show? can't they make a concession that it's not the greatest thing to happen to mma since JiuJitsu? The cries of greatness are just so disproportionate to their achievments. As disproportionate as the level of emotional fanboy attacks. Personally, I like Sam's writing. He's one of the more reliable writers in the blogosphere, and even when I disagree with his opinions, I still take them as the opinion of someone who has a more extensive history with mma than I have. Why do so manycommenters come across as thinking they know more than the bloggers who make this thier occupation? these guys live and breath mma, not just one organization. There really are some well done posts in this comment section. Opinions stated, without personal insults and the like.

You can easily identify those with too much emotional involvement with DREAM though, and every time I’ve ever made a negative comment about how dream is run, people get up in arms like I insulted their mother.

I just wish people would take an objective standpoint.

Has DREAM lived up to the accolades their fanboys have heaped on them? Nope.

Has DREAM put together all the best matches people want to see? Well, as best they can, maybe.

Will DREAM get better? One would assume so. It’s too soon to be calling anything by DREAM great. They’ve got potential, and they’re still finding their formula. Can’t people just say the card was great for only their 3rd show? can’t they make a concession that it’s not the greatest thing to happen to mma since JiuJitsu? The cries of greatness are just so disproportionate to their achievments. As disproportionate as the level of emotional fanboy attacks.

Personally, I like Sam’s writing. He’s one of the more reliable writers in the blogosphere, and even when I disagree with his opinions, I still take them as the opinion of someone who has a more extensive history with mma than I have.

Why do so manycommenters come across as thinking they know more than the bloggers who make this thier occupation? these guys live and breath mma, not just one organization.

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]]> By: NealTaflinger http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26938 NealTaflinger Mon, 12 May 2008 18:07:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26938 I'm with Doc Wagner. Commentators in all sports should talk less. They rarely offer anything of value, so shut up and let me watch the fight. I’m with Doc Wagner. Commentators in all sports should talk less. They rarely offer anything of value, so shut up and let me watch the fight.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26913 Sam Caplan Mon, 12 May 2008 16:11:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26913 AG, yes, I watched the live version of the telecast. I would say they might have chopped an hour off on the encore presentation. I think I might wait and watch the encore feed the next time. AG, yes, I watched the live version of the telecast. I would say they might have chopped an hour off on the encore presentation. I think I might wait and watch the encore feed the next time.

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]]> By: yuushi http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26911 yuushi Mon, 12 May 2008 16:00:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26911 Kind of glad there are some voices of reason that are seeing beyond the <b>"DREAM IS PRIDE REBORN"</b> and seeing the promotion for what it is. It just isn't that good so far. Kind of glad there are some voices of reason that are seeing beyond the “DREAM IS PRIDE REBORN” and seeing the promotion for what it is. It just isn’t that good so far.

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]]> By: Toto http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26909 Toto Mon, 12 May 2008 15:45:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26909 MMA SKOOL, stop sucking Bas Rutten's cock please, there are probably some children here. MMA SKOOL, stop sucking Bas Rutten’s cock please, there are probably some children here.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/comment-page-1/#comment-26908 MMA SKOOL™ Mon, 12 May 2008 15:42:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/11/who-put-the-hallucinogens-in-the-dream-kool-aid/#comment-26908 Interesting read. Seems like they're trying to ride the coattails of PRIDE however they can. Or they just don't know any other way to do it. Without Wandy, Rampage, Dangerous Dan, the Rua's, the Nogerias, etc., all that's left is just a bunch of walking punching bags. But I always liked the white mat. Since his name was brought up... Kenny Rice doesn't belong on TV. From Inside MMA, to announcing MMA events, to whatever else he's done. He sucks. He seems like an ok guy, but he is loathsome as a sports announcer. Doesn't anyone else think so? Stephen Quadros was a little goofy sometimes, but he and Bas had good chemistry. Kenny is just creepy. His jokes aren't funny and when he says stupid stuff that causes those uncomfortable silences on Inside MMA, Bas's personality, and cutting away to new sections and b-roll are the only things saving him from what would be in the old days a big hook coming in from off-stage, yanking him off by the neck. I like Inside MMA, and I like Bas Rutten, but Cubes needs to find someone other than "uncle Fester" as HDNet's staple MMA announcer. Interesting read. Seems like they’re trying to ride the coattails of PRIDE however they can. Or they just don’t know any other way to do it. Without Wandy, Rampage, Dangerous Dan, the Rua’s, the Nogerias, etc., all that’s left is just a bunch of walking punching bags. But I always liked the white mat.

Since his name was brought up… Kenny Rice doesn’t belong on TV. From Inside MMA, to announcing MMA events, to whatever else he’s done. He sucks.

He seems like an ok guy, but he is loathsome as a sports announcer. Doesn’t anyone else think so?

Stephen Quadros was a little goofy sometimes, but he and Bas had good chemistry. Kenny is just creepy. His jokes aren’t funny and when he says stupid stuff that causes those uncomfortable silences on Inside MMA, Bas’s personality, and cutting away to new sections and b-roll are the only things saving him from what would be in the old days a big hook coming in from off-stage, yanking him off by the neck.

I like Inside MMA, and I like Bas Rutten, but Cubes needs to find someone other than “uncle Fester” as HDNet’s staple MMA announcer.

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