Comments on: The Internet is a TUF crowd… or maybe not http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: weaksauce http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27816 weaksauce Sun, 18 May 2008 09:21:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27816 MAN I am so disappointed with this season so far. The quality of fighting is HORRIBLE. Last episode - that supposedly good wrestler was just that - a wrestler. He knew nothing else of MMA. All he could do was take downs and throwing - but he had no clue how to finish - which is why he got his ass kicked by a newbie. The second fight was downright a waste of time - 2 guys just flailing wildly. Hands down, telgraphed haymakers - what a joke. TUF cant fight better fighters than this??? MAN I am so disappointed with this season so far. The quality of fighting is HORRIBLE. Last episode – that supposedly good wrestler was just that – a wrestler. He knew nothing else of MMA. All he could do was take downs and throwing – but he had no clue how to finish – which is why he got his ass kicked by a newbie. The second fight was downright a waste of time – 2 guys just flailing wildly. Hands down, telgraphed haymakers – what a joke. TUF cant fight better fighters than this???

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]]> By: rob enderle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27653 rob enderle Sat, 17 May 2008 01:50:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27653 I dont want to know the ‘drama’ of the house and seeing the personalities... ESPECIALLY when its nobodies. Just because you have a few familiar UFC faces around, this is still minor, minor league MMA. A few steps below IFL. I want to see again that Alvarez/Hansen fight, I want to see action. My wife wants to see the drama and reality of scripted storylines. That's ok she watches Desperate Housewives, Sex in the CIty and Oprah, but what excuse do Dana White nuthuggers have? Just leave your balls at the door next time ladies. American Idol is coming right up. I find this more insulting that Kimbo. I dont want to know the ‘drama’ of the house and seeing the personalities… ESPECIALLY when its nobodies. Just because you have a few familiar UFC faces around, this is still minor, minor league MMA. A few steps below IFL.

I want to see again that Alvarez/Hansen fight, I want to see action.
My wife wants to see the drama and reality of scripted storylines. That’s ok she watches Desperate Housewives, Sex in the CIty and Oprah, but what excuse do Dana White nuthuggers have?

Just leave your balls at the door next time ladies.
American Idol is coming right up.

I find this more insulting that Kimbo.

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]]> By: Glock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27504 Glock Fri, 16 May 2008 02:28:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27504 I've heard a lot of people saying TUF is played and needs somethin new.... I dunno, I'm happy with it and think this may be my favorite season yet. Better fights and more of them. What more do we (fans) need?? Oh yeah, Kimbo that's what we need.... we need Kimbo on the show...... Click, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, plunk....... ;-) I’ve heard a lot of people saying TUF is played and needs somethin new…. I dunno, I’m happy with it and think this may be my favorite season yet. Better fights and more of them. What more do we (fans) need?? Oh yeah, Kimbo that’s what we need…. we need Kimbo on the show…… Click, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, plunk……. ;-)

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]]> By: Barry http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27503 Barry Fri, 16 May 2008 02:27:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27503 The first few episodes of this season had some great fights, it seems to have tapered off a bit to me. Bottom line here is, if there's some MMA action on TV I'm gonna be watching it. Beats the hell out of American Idol and Survivor. The first few episodes of this season had some great fights, it seems to have tapered off a bit to me. Bottom line here is, if there’s some MMA action on TV I’m gonna be watching it. Beats the hell out of American Idol and Survivor.

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]]> By: mo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27468 mo Thu, 15 May 2008 20:02:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27468 Funny stuff. I agree with pieces of #20 and #21, I mean seriously, did anybody think people would be complaining about FREE MMA on TV a couple of years ago. I like how people say TUF needs a break, last time i checked you weren't restrained and forced to watch. Skip the season and rent the DVD's later if you want. As for myself, i can't pull myself away from it still. yes there are things they could do to improve and switch it up a bit, but I'll watch it every week regardless. Of course i also catch Iron Ring once in awhile (couldn't be moer embarrassed to say that) so my need to watch MMA on TV may be greater then others. And i love the people complaining about the fighters, everyone is fighting and making weight, right? And was Forrest vs. Griffin really a technical bout? You have guys with less experience, that is why they are on this show. Funny stuff. I agree with pieces of #20 and #21, I mean seriously, did anybody think people would be complaining about FREE MMA on TV a couple of years ago. I like how people say TUF needs a break, last time i checked you weren’t restrained and forced to watch. Skip the season and rent the DVD’s later if you want. As for myself, i can’t pull myself away from it still. yes there are things they could do to improve and switch it up a bit, but I’ll watch it every week regardless. Of course i also catch Iron Ring once in awhile (couldn’t be moer embarrassed to say that) so my need to watch MMA on TV may be greater then others. And i love the people complaining about the fighters, everyone is fighting and making weight, right? And was Forrest vs. Griffin really a technical bout? You have guys with less experience, that is why they are on this show.

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]]> By: roomservicetaco http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27467 roomservicetaco Thu, 15 May 2008 19:51:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27467 I like the "more fights, less drama" version of TUF. But, the quality of fighters has been extremely low. At this point in the show, Matt Brown seems like one of the better fighters and has the intense personality to go with it. Then you realize he's something like 9-6 against regional competition. Watching BJ Penn as a lead-in to very minor league fights is just not fair. Drewplata has a good suggestion - the more training these guys get, the better product they will put on. Perhaps do 10 weeks of taping, with the first 4 strictly having the contestants train, then 6 of fighting. Or, cut the cast to 8 or 12, with 4 wks training, 4 wks tourney fighting. I like the “more fights, less drama” version of TUF. But, the quality of fighters has been extremely low. At this point in the show, Matt Brown seems like one of the better fighters and has the intense personality to go with it. Then you realize he’s something like 9-6 against regional competition. Watching BJ Penn as a lead-in to very minor league fights is just not fair.

Drewplata has a good suggestion – the more training these guys get, the better product they will put on. Perhaps do 10 weeks of taping, with the first 4 strictly having the contestants train, then 6 of fighting. Or, cut the cast to 8 or 12, with 4 wks training, 4 wks tourney fighting.

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]]> By: anonymous http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27456 anonymous Thu, 15 May 2008 18:28:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27456 For everyone complaining about the content of the show, or what you do or dont like about it, be it drama or the mansion or background, whatever, think about this> If it wasnt for this show, obviously this discussion wouldnt be happening, and more than likely there wouldnt be many(if any) forums to have this discussion, or any other discussion about mma in general. I watched the ufc personally, up till it fell to pieces, and then was taken off ppv. I gave it up, went on to other things, and with the show was revamped for the sport. Which im sure is the case for most everyone else. Also it brought new ppl in to the sport, and pretty much stamped mma on the face of popular sports today. So what if its not as dynamic as it was since TUF1, as long as its on you'll still watch it. You're free to bitch about it, not arguing that, but i promise you, if its gone you will miss it. For everyone complaining about the content of the show, or what you do or dont like about it, be it drama or the mansion or background, whatever, think about this> If it wasnt for this show, obviously this discussion wouldnt be happening, and more than likely there wouldnt be many(if any) forums to have this discussion, or any other discussion about mma in general. I watched the ufc personally, up till it fell to pieces, and then was taken off ppv. I gave it up, went on to other things, and with the show was revamped for the sport. Which im sure is the case for most everyone else. Also it brought new ppl in to the sport, and pretty much stamped mma on the face of popular sports today. So what if its not as dynamic as it was since TUF1, as long as its on you’ll still watch it. You’re free to bitch about it, not arguing that, but i promise you, if its gone you will miss it.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27449 Jackyl Thu, 15 May 2008 17:19:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27449 Funny how we want a little MORE house footage now. When just a few weeks ago everyone was denouncing the so called "MMA Real World". In previous seasons the show has struck a balance between house, training, and fight footage. Who doesn't remember the Mac Danzig mannequin incident, that was great. The house footage gives you an idea of how the fighters are and makes you care a little more about the fights. I must say that this season I am having a hard time connecting with any of these guys. But it's always nice to see who blossoms. Amir seems like a strong prospect in the vein of Corey Hill. Josh Koscheck went from what many considered to be a mediocore fighter to a top contender. Sure the talent pool is thinning, but there are plenty of worthy fighters out there. TUF has become an excellent farm system for the UFC. Maybe a change in format and editing and they can keep it going. Funny how we want a little MORE house footage now. When just a few weeks ago everyone was denouncing the so called “MMA Real World”. In previous seasons the show has struck a balance between house, training, and fight footage. Who doesn’t remember the Mac Danzig mannequin incident, that was great. The house footage gives you an idea of how the fighters are and makes you care a little more about the fights. I must say that this season I am having a hard time connecting with any of these guys. But it’s always nice to see who blossoms. Amir seems like a strong prospect in the vein of Corey Hill. Josh Koscheck went from what many considered to be a mediocore fighter to a top contender. Sure the talent pool is thinning, but there are plenty of worthy fighters out there. TUF has become an excellent farm system for the UFC. Maybe a change in format and editing and they can keep it going.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27436 Mike Wolfe Thu, 15 May 2008 16:24:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27436 I enjoy TUF, and don't mind the shift away from hi-jinks in the house. I'd watch it either way, but really, haven't we seen enough drunken adolescents already? As far as this season's critics are concerned, there's some "princess" syndrome at work. "There's not enough fighting and too much filler in the house." "No, now there's too much fighting, and not enough filler in the house." "Dana, buy me a pony! Waa!" I enjoy TUF, and don’t mind the shift away from hi-jinks in the house. I’d watch it either way, but really, haven’t we seen enough drunken adolescents already? As far as this season’s critics are concerned, there’s some “princess” syndrome at work. “There’s not enough fighting and too much filler in the house.” “No, now there’s too much fighting, and not enough filler in the house.” “Dana, buy me a pony! Waa!”

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]]> By: "The Ultimate Fighter" Improves…Sort of (Bloody Elbow) http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27431 "The Ultimate Fighter" Improves…Sort of (Bloody Elbow) Thu, 15 May 2008 15:48:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27431 [...] Caplan issues a defense of the two most recent episodes of the reality show: I can find little fault with the episodes from [...] [...] Caplan issues a defense of the two most recent episodes of the reality show: I can find little fault with the episodes from [...]

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]]> By: j http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27430 j Thu, 15 May 2008 15:46:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27430 The stand up in the last fight was pathetic. I am an amatuer muat thai practitioner and the 1st thing you learn is controlled punches and counters off of rolls and faints. All is saw were 2 guys swininging for the fences. Just pathetic. The 1st fight was ok. The stand up in the last fight was pathetic. I am an amatuer muat thai practitioner and the 1st thing you learn is controlled punches and counters off of rolls and faints. All is saw were 2 guys swininging for the fences. Just pathetic. The 1st fight was ok.

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]]> By: Rolltide http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27427 Rolltide Thu, 15 May 2008 15:26:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27427 I don't know why everyone was so negative on Yarbrough vs. Schultz. There have been far worse on previous seasons. Besides Shultz is garbage and shouldn't be on the show, while Yarbrough is only 21 and has no professional fights. I don’t know why everyone was so negative on Yarbrough vs. Schultz. There have been far worse on previous seasons. Besides Shultz is garbage and shouldn’t be on the show, while Yarbrough is only 21 and has no professional fights.

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]]> By: ultmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27426 ultmma Thu, 15 May 2008 15:26:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27426 -Sam- I don't think the backlash is directed towards this particular season of TUF or this group of 185 cast members. The hate is coming from the fact that this is the 8th season and we've seen this format 8 times over. ( Rocky VIII) Even the most hardcore MMA fan has to be getting sick of seeing the same thing over and over again. With the same built up drama and the so called "tension'" boiling over between the head coaches. TUF needs a break (which won't happen with season 9 debuting in Sept.) and the fans need a break. The current format has to be taken out back Old Yeller style. Hopefully for the 10th season Zuffa and Spike will completely surprise the fans with a new and improved edition of TUF -Sam-

I don’t think the backlash is directed towards this particular season of TUF or this group of 185 cast members.

The hate is coming from the fact that this is the 8th season and we’ve seen this format 8 times over. ( Rocky VIII) Even the most hardcore MMA fan has to be getting sick of seeing the same thing over and over again. With the same built up drama and the so called “tension’” boiling over between the head coaches.

TUF needs a break (which won’t happen with season 9 debuting in Sept.) and the fans need a break. The current format has to be taken out back Old Yeller style.

Hopefully for the 10th season Zuffa and Spike will completely surprise the fans with a new and improved edition of TUF

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27425 bjjdenver Thu, 15 May 2008 15:26:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27425 I hate to say this, but... This season could use a LITTLE more house drama. Not as much as in the past, but certainly more than it has had. Honestly the most anitcipated fight for me was Brown/May, because of the drama. I do think they have better, more serious fighters from top to bottom and that is the main thing for me, but a little spice is always good. I don't need to see idiots trashing the house or dropping double-deckers, but a little beef between guys is welcome in a competitive setting. I hate to say this, but…

This season could use a LITTLE more house drama. Not as much as in the past, but certainly more than it has had. Honestly the most anitcipated fight for me was Brown/May, because of the drama.

I do think they have better, more serious fighters from top to bottom and that is the main thing for me, but a little spice is always good.

I don’t need to see idiots trashing the house or dropping double-deckers, but a little beef between guys is welcome in a competitive setting.

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]]> By: paddiosf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27423 paddiosf Thu, 15 May 2008 15:21:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27423 I have to agree with the TUF series is getting alittle boring, since the show now showing 2 fights per episode, it's less dialogue of the fighters interactions in the house, we really don't know these guys like previous seasons..I normally look so forward to watching the show every week, now it's like I don't care as much..the best part of the show is when Jackson is upset about losing and it appears that he was about to explode in frustration.. I have to agree with the TUF series is getting alittle boring, since the show now showing 2 fights per episode, it’s less dialogue of the fighters interactions in the house, we really don’t know these guys like previous seasons..I normally look so forward to watching the show every week, now it’s like I don’t care as much..the best part of the show is when Jackson is upset about losing and it appears that he was about to explode in frustration..

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]]> By: Zach http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27422 Zach Thu, 15 May 2008 15:17:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27422 Sam, you mention a few of the guys you think have potential, how about Dan Cramer, he made a mess of his opponenets in his first two fights and also seems to have an iron chin. Sam, you mention a few of the guys you think have potential, how about Dan Cramer, he made a mess of his opponenets in his first two fights and also seems to have an iron chin.

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]]> By: Drewplata http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27421 Drewplata Thu, 15 May 2008 15:14:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27421 Sam- You might have stumbled onto the answer. Perhaps they key is moving away from the seclusion and towards more training before the fights start. It seems like the guys' improvement grows exponentially once they have spent some time with the trainers the show provides. Maybe 3 weeks without the celebrity coaches (but with the real coaches) before the competition began would yield better fights. Also, there has only been one episode with guest coaches. Perhaps more high profile guest coaches would inject some life into the show. Too bad TUF can't exploit Xtreme Couture's assets, huh? Sam-

You might have stumbled onto the answer. Perhaps they key is moving away from the seclusion and towards more training before the fights start. It seems like the guys’ improvement grows exponentially once they have spent some time with the trainers the show provides. Maybe 3 weeks without the celebrity coaches (but with the real coaches) before the competition began would yield better fights. Also, there has only been one episode with guest coaches. Perhaps more high profile guest coaches would inject some life into the show. Too bad TUF can’t exploit Xtreme Couture’s assets, huh?

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]]> By: Chi-Town http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27418 Chi-Town Thu, 15 May 2008 15:09:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27418 I like the show. The fights are pretty good, but I wish we could get a little more of a back story on the fighters. I like the show. The fights are pretty good, but I wish we could get a little more of a back story on the fighters.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27415 Jeremy Thu, 15 May 2008 14:48:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27415 Sam, I generally think you hit the nail on the head about TUF. They have done everything I could have thought of to make the show better for this season, and I generally think it is better. But I really do think people are just tired of the show. It definitely doesn't have the same luster it once did for me, I still watch it each week, but the same excitement certainly is gone. Sam, I generally think you hit the nail on the head about TUF. They have done everything I could have thought of to make the show better for this season, and I generally think it is better. But I really do think people are just tired of the show. It definitely doesn’t have the same luster it once did for me, I still watch it each week, but the same excitement certainly is gone.

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]]> By: Fujin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/comment-page-1/#comment-27414 Fujin Thu, 15 May 2008 14:38:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/15/the-internet-is-a-tuf-crowd-or-maybe-not/#comment-27414 "While Cale Yarbrough vs. Patrick Schultz was a little sloppy, it wasn’t a bad fight..." Honestly you thought it wasn't a bad fight? A little sloppy is a little bit of an understatement. “While Cale Yarbrough vs. Patrick Schultz was a little sloppy, it wasn’t a bad fight…”

Honestly you thought it wasn’t a bad fight? A little sloppy is a little bit of an understatement.

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