Comments on: 5 Oz. Feature: Do the UFC and Tito Ortiz really need each other? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:45:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: rhys http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-28038 rhys Tue, 20 May 2008 02:24:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-28038 couldnt care less where tito goes, his careers not going anywhere thats for sure. couldnt care less where tito goes, his careers not going anywhere thats for sure.

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]]> By: Brandon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-28031 Brandon Mon, 19 May 2008 23:32:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-28031 It’s so funny how everyone is so focused on the most recent fight and not Tito as a whole. Think whatever you want about Tito he is not down and out. Your comments written in the article make me believe you came on the MMA scene way to late and have not been around the block. Even the fact that you put Kimbo Slices name in the middle of Shamrock and Fedor makes you lose all creditability. Nice try... Tito is and always will be one of the greatest fighters. Do you train with him to find out what he is working on and how much blood he puts into training? No would be my first guess. You sound like Dana White. Based on the picture you posted I think Tito will be just fine in his last UFC fight. Good luck Tito and don’t let the little men hold you down. It’s so funny how everyone is so focused on the most recent fight and not Tito as a whole. Think whatever you want about Tito he is not down and out. Your comments written in the article make me believe you came on the MMA scene way to late and have not been around the block. Even the fact that you put Kimbo Slices name in the middle of Shamrock and Fedor makes you lose all creditability.

Nice try… Tito is and always will be one of the greatest fighters. Do you train with him to find out what he is working on and how much blood he puts into training? No would be my first guess. You sound like Dana White. Based on the picture you posted I think Tito will be just fine in his last UFC fight. Good luck Tito and don’t let the little men hold you down.

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]]> By: Amber Ruthart http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27904 Amber Ruthart Mon, 19 May 2008 13:28:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27904 Ortiz is totally being set up to lose against Machida who is basically undefeated. Ortiz was by the way, a goof on the Celebrity Apprentice. Ortiz has not improved his game and in my opinion is not going to do so well against fighters who really get into this sport and work on their weaknesses. Politics man, isn't it just everywhere? Ortiz is totally being set up to lose against Machida who is basically undefeated. Ortiz was by the way, a goof on the Celebrity Apprentice.

Ortiz has not improved his game and in my opinion is not going to do so well against fighters who really get into this sport and work on their weaknesses.

Politics man, isn’t it just everywhere?

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]]> By: Jason Brewer http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27842 Jason Brewer Sun, 18 May 2008 14:52:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27842 I don't see Ortiz going to the Affliction promotion as they are a direct competitor to his clothing line so I don't see him being a good fit with that promotion Elite seems more logical as they need him and are likely willing to be one of the main mouthpieces of their organization...which I think we can all agree would be necessary for Ortiz to sign with any promotion. I don’t see Ortiz going to the Affliction promotion as they are a direct competitor to his clothing line so I don’t see him being a good fit with that promotion Elite seems more logical as they need him and are likely willing to be one of the main mouthpieces of their organization…which I think we can all agree would be necessary for Ortiz to sign with any promotion.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27798 mike wolfe Sun, 18 May 2008 06:31:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27798 Win or lose, White should just ignore Tito. Not call him about a new contract or comment on the fight or further discuss him. Just shrug and say that he has nothing more to say. Guys like Tito feed on the attention they get from talking, and if nobody cares or listens it drives them nuts. Win or lose, White should just ignore Tito. Not call him about a new contract or comment on the fight or further discuss him. Just shrug and say that he has nothing more to say. Guys like Tito feed on the attention they get from talking, and if nobody cares or listens it drives them nuts.

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]]> By: DPK http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27788 DPK Sun, 18 May 2008 05:17:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27788 I agree with this article as it seems most of the readers have. Tito's can just see what the market has to offer. He controls his own destiny, win and get big $$, lose and get not as much. I agree with this article as it seems most of the readers have. Tito’s can just see what the market has to offer. He controls his own destiny, win and get big $$, lose and get not as much.

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]]> By: Handover Fist http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27779 Handover Fist Sun, 18 May 2008 02:59:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27779 The talent pool of this sport gets deeper by the day. 18 months ago Tito was the #2 LHW in the UFC. If he losses to Machida you could argue he's not even in the top 10. If Tito wants to continue to be a big fish he will likely need to find a smaller pond. The talent pool of this sport gets deeper by the day. 18 months ago Tito was the #2 LHW in the UFC. If he losses to Machida you could argue he’s not even in the top 10.

If Tito wants to continue to be a big fish he will likely need to find a smaller pond.

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]]> By: Ryder Die http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27770 Ryder Die Sun, 18 May 2008 00:10:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27770 I agree with everything that you said in this article but I still want to see Ortiz fight some of those guys. I think that sometimes USA promotions think too much about the win and loss instead of two great fighters in the ring putting on a great fight win or lose. I understand that you need to win more than lose but I think we as fans still would pay to watch Ortiz vs. Silva or Ortiz vs. an older Lidell or even another matchup against Evans. For the record I do agree with your article and I think that it was well put. I agree with everything that you said in this article but I still want to see Ortiz fight some of those guys. I think that sometimes USA promotions think too much about the win and loss instead of two great fighters in the ring putting on a great fight win or lose. I understand that you need to win more than lose but I think we as fans still would pay to watch Ortiz vs. Silva or Ortiz vs. an older Lidell or even another matchup against Evans. For the record I do agree with your article and I think that it was well put.

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]]> By: Donk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27767 Donk Sat, 17 May 2008 23:26:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27767 I disagree, the UFC controls the worlds top LHW and there isn't a string of top match ups for him anywhere else. There's Frank Shamrock, but that's where the line ends. If Tito wants to be up there with the best in the world then he should stay and cement his legacy. But i like Tito's his strategy so far. In game theory if you have a negotiations type scenario and you have a high value in the negotiations then you maximise your chances of getting what you want with a hard ball strategy, especially if the guy on the other side likes playing it tough as Dana does. His value right now is #10 according to MMA-Weekly, and will either fall slightly or go up after his fight with Machida. I think that if Tito wins the fight, Dana won't have a choice but to pay the man a good price and Tito's approach will pay off. But if he looses then Tito's value will fall and the hard-ball strategy will not have been favorable in him getting a good price, and he will most likely either have to accept a cut in pay, or go somewhere else... I think Tito has played it smart so far, if he wins, then he'll most likely stay because he'll get the $$ and stay with the big boys. But if he looses he'll be stuck as the UFC won't offer him what he wants, and most likely neither will anyone else. What happens after the fight is going to be just as interesting. I disagree, the UFC controls the worlds top LHW and there isn’t a string of top match ups for him anywhere else. There’s Frank Shamrock, but that’s where the line ends. If Tito wants to be up there with the best in the world then he should stay and cement his legacy.

But i like Tito’s his strategy so far. In game theory if you have a negotiations type scenario and you have a high value in the negotiations then you maximise your chances of getting what you want with a hard ball strategy, especially if the guy on the other side likes playing it tough as Dana does. His value right now is #10 according to MMA-Weekly, and will either fall slightly or go up after his fight with Machida.

I think that if Tito wins the fight, Dana won’t have a choice but to pay the man a good price and Tito’s approach will pay off. But if he looses then Tito’s value will fall and the hard-ball strategy will not have been favorable in him getting a good price, and he will most likely either have to accept a cut in pay, or go somewhere else…

I think Tito has played it smart so far, if he wins, then he’ll most likely stay because he’ll get the $$ and stay with the big boys. But if he looses he’ll be stuck as the UFC won’t offer him what he wants, and most likely neither will anyone else. What happens after the fight is going to be just as interesting.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27765 king mah mah Sat, 17 May 2008 23:09:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/17/5-oz-feature-do-the-ufc-and-tito-ortiz-really-need-each-other/#comment-27765 Tito should stay with the ufc long enough to have a rematch with "shitty rashad evans"! Tito should stay with the ufc long enough to have a rematch with “shitty rashad evans”!

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