Memo to Everyone: Machida is not Starnes

Lyoto Machida (red glove tape) vs. Tito OrtizI’ve been perusing various MMA blogs, websites, and forums over the past few days and am beginning to see a common theme regarding Lyoto Machida. Either you love him and his style or you hate him and his style. There doesn’t seem to be any in-between. You think he’s boring? That’s fine. You think he’s fun to watch? That’s all good and well too. I, for one, enjoy watching Machida fight because he is so confusing to his opponents, he always has a good gameplan, and he rarely makes mistakes.

But what I don’t understand is likening him to Kalib Starnes in his fight against Nate Quarry. This argument is the kind of uninformed, unintelligent B.S. that I have been seeing spewed all over the place since Saturday night. Did these people even watch the fight?

First and foremost, if you don’t remember, Kalib Starnes lost his fight against Nate Quarry. He absolutely refused to engage and literally was backpedaling around the cage. You can’t fight like Starnes and win. So that begs to the question: how does this apply to Machida? Machida moves in, engages, and moves out. He creates his own pocket, on his time, and by his book. He makes you fight his game.
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Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has done this throughout his career in boxing and the guy is considered the best pound for pound boxer in the world and one of the best ever. He’s loved by millions while Machida is a villain. I don’t understand that. Machida is outstanding at not getting hit and making sure that he hits you when he has the chance. What is so wrong about that?

Did you expect him to get into a slugfest with Tito Ortiz? Did you expect him to stand right in front of him and allow Ortiz space to take him down? If you’ve watched Machida before then you know exactly what to expect. He never plays into his opponents’ strengths and that’s what makes him so good.

Another thing I don’t understand is where all this hate suddenly came from. Did these people not watch Machida fight Franklin? Penn? Bonnar? Sokoudjou? Nakamura? He’s had the same style for a long time now and all of a sudden everyone has their panties in a bunch because he beat Tito Ortiz.

Like I said, I don’t care if you like Machida or hate Machida. But please don’t group him in with Kalib Starnes because he deserves better from MMA fans. And if you truly think that, then I have to say that you don’t know what you’re watching.

109 COMMENTS
  • Grape Knee High says:

    Machida-hate is borne out of the notion seared into all TUF noob minds that Griffin/Bonnar 1 was “the best MMA fight ever”.

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  • Caleb Newby says:

    Morgan, you were nicer than I’d expected. Kudos for diplomacy.

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  • Sensei John Creese says:

    While you’re right that it’s not the same, it is very similar. While Machida does, in fact, engage occasionally, he avoids all aggression from his opponent. Had he been willing to step in and exchange with Tito or even, God forbid, take him down after the first round – when he did so easily and nearly finished the fight, he would’ve finished Tito. He and Tito are similar in that I don’t think either of them are very willing to accept damage in exchange for returning it.

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  • platypus says:

    plus machida dropped ortiz

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  • bjjdenver says:

    This article is pathetic!

    Not the opinion or the way it was written, but the fact that it even exits!!

    Why on Earth, Adam even has to take the time to write this is beyond me.

    Machida epitomizes what mma is. His style is unique and effective. He fights to win and comparisons to Starnes are unintelligent at best.

    Adam, don’t waste your time justifying Machida to Neanderthals that can’t understand game plan and execution.

    Let these critics browse Youtube looking for street fights and sucker punches, that is all they find entertaining. Certainly not the variety of style, skill and match ups that mma provides us with.

    If someone can’t appreciate what Machida did, as much as what Wanderlei did, then there is little hope for them.

    UFC 84 provided us with a great show of different weights, styles, subs, kos and decisions. Great night of fights, imo!

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  • To hit and not be hit, that’s Machida’s style. It should be praised as not only being a smart gameplan, but also for the added bonus that Machida has increasingly looked better in each fight in his power. He dropped Ortiz with the epic knee from hell and people still complain of boredom. Give me a break. Fans need to learn to appreciate the patience and absolute beauty in Machida’s game.

    If you want toe-to-toe brawls, I’m sure some Toughman competitions exist. Silva vs. Liddell doesn’t happen too often and casual fans seem to want to see that all the time.

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  • joho says:

    Machida is “elusive” but his opponents make it look worse then what it is when their scared to engage , EX. During the Tito fight ,Tito was cleary not wanting to trade punches and his wrestling did not work So what does he do ??????
    Machida is a counter puncher and wont engage until he has to, sorta like Chuck picking his punches but chuck will chase you down Machida wont !!
    Ortiz was not a good test .Machida needs to fight a guy like Chuck,Wandi,Forrest or even Houstan A. then we will truly see if he is top material til then …………………

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  • matt says:

    the only complaint about machida i have is that when he dropped ortiz with that knee, he at first backed up and then moved forward, almost showing no killer instinct. besides that, i appreciate his style and the fact that he seems to have no holes in his game.

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  • kevin says:

    props to Machida, he wins, doesn’t take punishment and dishes out a fair amount of punishment himself. Look at Tito’s face after the fight and add the fact that Tito was probably pissing blood the next day after that knee to the body that dropped him.

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  • Adam Morgan says:

    Matt,

    Machida was getting beat up in the clinch and that’s where he landed that knee from. So he lands, sidesteps, and as Ortiz is on the way down he’s on top of him. I don’t think there’s any validity to say that he didn’t have any killer instinct.

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  • Evan says:

    bjjdenver…well said.

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  • A.C Slater says:

    My favorite part was when Tito tried to ridicule him at the end of the first round, like “Hey come on and fight you pussy” and then Lyoto was like all right dude, you wanna party let’s do it, and then he hit him with the switch kick batted him around a little, took him down, pinned his arm and pounded on his face till the end of the round.

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  • Trust Doesn't Rust says:

    while everything you say is true, i think machida’s style does bring up a relevant issue about what it means to fight to “win.” in my opinion, ortiz was at a distinct disadvantage because he and machida had different ideas about what it meant to win that fight, and i think ortiz was doing what was most logical within the current configuration of the sport. there are only 3 five-minute rounds for most ufc fights, so there is only a finite amount of time for fighters to seek out knockouts or submissions. the cage restricts movement in such a way that makes it more difficult for fighters to escape once engaged up close. and the american fight crowd wants and is encouraged to want quick action rather than tactical setups. if ortiz laid back and picked his spots like machida, you would have had a 15 minute fight full of boos and little definitive action. essentially, you would have had the setup for a much longer war that would never be fought.

    machida’s style works better under an environment and rules system that encourages endurance over decisive action, such as those of the early ufc’s or even of pride’s ten minute opening round. you can’t blame machida for doing what it takes to win, but the fact is that the current rules make his victories seem hollow and indecisive because they don’t support the systematic will-breaking that he’s going for. but by the same token, if the rules were changed to allow for more rounds or longer rounds, and if the audience was encouraged to appreciate the tactical, then ortiz would probably have fought with a different purpose.

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  • Zack says:

    I fall just on the positive side of Machida. He fights very smart and has no intentions of taking a bunch of unnecessary or collateral damage from his opponent. He suddenly emerges from boredom to deliver precise strikes, takedowns, and submissions, and despite what some asshats are saying, he does finish fights, and almost finished Tito twice. I like the tension that builds in his fights as he frustrates his opponents and waits for their mistakes. We should be celebrating him as what Bruce Lee might look like had he been born 30 years later.

    That being said, the idea of Machida neutralizing someone exciting like Wandy or Rampage does make me sick, but maybe the antidote to Machida will be someone who is pure chaos and can force their way inside and work the clinch.

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  • JacRabbit says:

    My question is–

    will Machida ever be the main event with this style of fighting? It’s definitely a smart and effective strategy–but what essentially becomes one man chasing another down, doesn’t seem to make great tv IMHO.

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  • JacRabbit says:

    …to add to the above–would you have paid $55 to see that fight as a main event if it were accompanied by an average card?

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    I enjoyed the Machida/Ortiz fight. Excellent, strategic striking and some exciting jiu jitsu at the end. Are the same bloggers criticizing Wanderlai? After all, his quick knock out of Jardine also avoided damaging exchanges, and it wasn’t a war. Why is Machida a villian?

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  • Kelvin says:

    Machida is the man.

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  • Paul Hanna says:

    did anyone see that take down at the end of round 1?

    that was pretty epic

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    can’t understand why anyone would compare a smart, technical fighter to a guy like starnes. his style is stick & move, not duck & flee. he’s like a boxer who’s a counter puncher, not always the most exciting to watch but pretty effective when he engages.

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  • James says:

    If you thought the fight was boring between Machida vs. Ortiz…I’m sure you’re the type of person who ONLY goes to the Nascar races to see a crash. Machida displayed some very good skills in defense and offense.

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  • Cipher says:

    Here is how this problem can be fixed, beat Machida, oh, wait, no one has. I think it is funny that he kicked the crap out of Tito, he wasn’t lucky, the knee that dropped Tito was not luck, it was smart textbook striking, yet people think he did not engage. People hate him because he doesn’t want to get hit, so let them fight that way, it has worked great for Jardine, on second thought, never mind.

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  • Guy Gaduois says:

    But if two guys with Machida’s style are fighting . . . don’t they call that chess? I don’t see a lot of PPVs being sold to watch chess.

    It’s a dichotomy that’s been created by UFC – they want winners, but not boring winners. So last year, when the formula seemed to be get two take downs and then don’t get hit, well, it may be a winning formula for judges, but for viewers, it was bad news. I think Ortiz v. Evans was a “bad” fight because it bordered on that gameplan.

    Personally, I don’t enjoy Tim Sylvia’s strike / counter / strike / leeeaaaan on the opponent style – but he’s won with it. And it got him an opportunity to fight Fedor. So what I like doesn’t seem to matter a hill of beans, does it?

    Good tactics doesn’t have to be frustrating to watch, though. BJ’s victory over Sherk was brilliant tactically and I felt it was vastly more enjoyable than Machida/Ortiz. To the broadest cross section of fans, Penn / Sherk is a more entertaining fight than Machida/Ortiz. It had more, better action and both fighters wanted to engage throughout the fight.

    I don’t hate Machida, but I wouldn’t chase down the PPV if he was the headliner. I already saw the Karate Kid. It’s just not my thing.

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  • I don’t understand the assumption that guys have to “fight to win” in order to legitimately get respect. Machida did fucking win. What’s the god damn problem? All I hear is a bunch of casual fans crying because they didn’t get to see Wandy vs. Jardine in the Tito vs. Machida fight.

    Machida engaged when he needed to, and had some great exchanges that he won easily. He avoided the game that Tito was best at, what the fuck more do you expect? Honestly? Why would he allow Tito to get him into a position where he’s best? He wouldn’t, and he masterfully worked a precise gameplan.

    Dana White has embedded this notion that guys have to blast people out of the water with spectacular wins to stay in the promotion or create a huge fanbase for the UFC to promote them behind. I get the idea that it takes spectacular fighters to really push the promotion, but in my mind, Machida is a spectacular fighter in respect to working such an awesome strategy and smarts in the cage. Casual fans won’t see that, and I could care less. Half the blogosphere is complaining as well, and it just shows the infancy of this sport. If this was boxing, at least we’d have more actual fans appreciating the skillfulness as opposed to wanting to see a massive brawl.

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  • HexRei says:

    @#13: if ortiz laid back and picked his spots like machida, you would have had a 15 minute fight full of boos and little definitive action.

    That’s because Tito has terrible striking. His entire game is predicated on takedowns from shoots or the clinch, he was losing the standup with Machida. Machida has better striking than Tito so staying out of the clinch at striking range made more sense- he was just backing up the whole fight because Tito spent a lot of time throwing shitty strikes to get into the clinch or shooting for takedowns.

    If Tito had tried to stay outside and strike with Machida without trying for clinches and shoots constantly then Machida would have dominated him without having to backup as much- but avoiding getting into clinch range with Tito made perfect sense, you can only shake off so many of those clinches before he gets a takedown for the GnP which was really Tito’s only chance.

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  • D says:

    My biggest grip with Machida is that he doesn’t always NEED to be that elusive. He has very nice striking abilities and in the Tito match he wasn’t just stopping Tito’s TDs, but he was also taking Tito down.

    To me, Machida was boring because he kept the same gameplan throughout the match and didn’t adapt it to the situation as it evolved. All I was asking for was some more combos, maybe an aggressive TD, etc.

    If you have the skills and clearly have the upper hand in the fight, why not impose your will and increase the attacks on your opponent? I’m not saying that he has to run in “James-Thompson-style” with little regard to his own safety.

    In actuality, Machida’s gameplan left him vunerable to that third round sub because Tito was barely hurt/gassed (save the liver kick). I would have rather seen him adapt his plan throughout the match slowly increasing the aggression (maybe at the end of the round). A fighter never wants to leave it to the judges and I’m afraid that unless he changes up his strategy (if the situation warrants it), he’ll lose a close decision in the future.

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  • D says:

    Oh and to clarify, I’m not lessening the impact of the liver strike (I know how much it hurts), but that strike plus a beat-up Tito would have meant curtains.

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  • Anonymousone says:

    In my opinion people that say that Machida’s style isn’t interesting. They’re right, what it is is SMART. He’s VERY elusive which is smart! Why on earth would he stand there and trade blow for blow is beyond me.

    People that just want to see big hits and the life should stick to watching people like Kimbo who fight no names and get’s a name out of betting those “fighters”. Till Lyoto faces heavier opposition in the 205 division, not saying Tito wasn’t a good test, it’ll remain unknown if he’s style can withstand a heavier attack other than a ground and pound gameplan.

    He’s fought some known names and has come out on top, till he faces the cream of the 205 division his gameplan will remain in question of it being the best. In my opinion, it’s the most interesting match to watch, I prefer BJJ / submission tactics over just plain knockouts myself, we’ll see how his future goes.

    I think he’s getting this much flack cause he beat a much loved fighter who got the rest of the fans to like him because “Bad Boy” image.

    It’s like saying a boxer who doesn’t dodge, weave and move around is boring/NOT smart. What’s the difference with Lyoto’s stlye?

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  • Rich S. says:

    i’ll go ahead an post an excerpt from a comment i made the other day:

    “and with all Machida drama aside.. I don’t think he’ll ever be champion.. not only do i feel he can be beaten by some of the top ten LHW’s like Rampage, Forrest, or Chuck.. but he can’t be sold.. it’s impossible.. because they don’t have to sell him to us.. they have to sell him to the drunkards that scream “KNOCK HIS ASS OUTTTTT!!” Obviously Machida’s good with this elusive/counter/awkward-to-deal-with kind of style he uses because he’s won 4 or 5 times with it in the UFC now.. but.. he’s good as an aggressive attacker to.. Take a look at his fights with Stephan Bonnar and Rich Franklin.. two amazing fighters.. he totally messed them up.. and he did it without pulling a Muhammad Ali.. It’s not like he has a questionable chin.. because he’s fought the best of strikers and he’s never lost, let alone gotten KO’d.. sooo i don’t see why he doesn’t just fight like he did in the old days.. i mean.. either way he wins..”

    i believe i was the first to comment on Machida resembling starnes… and obviously that’s not true [i was venting frustration cause i don't like Machida] for the simple fact that Starnes lost a decision by running away.. and Machida won a decision..

    Machida’s obviously got good kicks.. and a technical striking game.. AND a solid ground game… if you just tossed in some aggression.. he’d be unstoppable [which sounds funny, because he's yet to be stopped, lol]..

    just imagine if 10 or 15 more of those kicks would’ve gone tito’s way in that fight.. that’s more chances to connect.. and if they did connect.. we wouldn’t be having this argument.. and Machida would have a nice addition to his highlight reel..

    but.. there’s another side to that.. what if he didn’t throw more kicks because he didn’t want one to get grabbed..

    Howabout the Nakamura fight this last weekend.. his legs were totally dominated by Soku, a man Machida beat.. Machida fought Nakamura, and he couldn’t finish him.. now, i’m not downing Nakamura in any way.. I’m just trying to illustrate what a more aggressive game would do for Machida.. Machida did do some damage on the ground when he fought Naka, but.. with more leg kicks, and body kicks, he could’ve gotten a nice finish, and even more good footage on his HL reel..

    AND I’M NOT SAYING YOU NEED FINISHES TO STAY IN THIS BUSINESS [although, they'll REALLLLLY help]

    And.. to all the ones who consider this a dominant performance…
    nope.
    i would call Randy/Big Tim a dominant performance.. he went at him with everything he had and wasn’t put into a position to lose ONCE..

    when you come CRAZY close to getting choked out in the 3rd round.. it’s not much of a dominant performance.. it was just a good showcasing of some striking skills..

    there’s just my honest opinion..
    now, bash away..

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  • Anonymousone says:

    Forgot about this important poing:

    As for comparing him to Starnes isn’t fair at all in my mind. Was Machida attacking him way more than Starnes was? Of course. Did Machida deliver a brutal knee that sent Tito to the ground and attack him after realizing it. His style is get in get out. He also incorporates faints as well. He does it all to put his opponent off balance as to not expect his in and out tactics. Tito never knew what to expect which frustrated him after the second round and it showed. Knowing his Lyoto’s game plan and how he fights is something new that people will have to learn and in my opinion is very smart. I wouldn’t want to see that style every fight but it is very smart.

    I could go on and on but for those who say he’s boring and dare compare him starnes I simply say, go back to youtube and view those 20 second knockouts that require NO skills.

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  • Rich S. says:

    “maybe an aggressive TD”

    i suppose you missed the end of R1 where he got Tito down and quickly moved into the “Salaverry” position and starting raining down..

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  • matt says:

    Adam, no doubt. That was the first time I ever questioned it. But if you see, as Ortiz is on his way down, he backs off to the right and then when ortiz is completely down, he charges into Tito’s guard. It was a night and day difference from the end of round 1 where he was beating the shit out of Ortiz.

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  • JC says:

    Its like this .. IF babe ruth Is up to bat for the last time The pitcher shouldn’t walk him he should pitch to him .. Either he strikes him out or the babe gets a homer. He should of showed tito more respect then to have run.. Tito could have did the same thing and nobody would of won how gay.. Machida acts like a 3 years old.. He needs things his way or he dosn’t fight at all and all you guys say thats a stradgey ? come on he is basically thinking like a little kid but with great skill and displine behind him…

    Tito would of fucked him up if they engaged thats why he runs he knows someone will knock him out .. IF it was a real fight 1000s of people could take machida

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  • Atom says:

    I have the solution to a total audience acceptance (in what seems to be a chicken or egg debate) I think this portrays to ‘newbies and ‘hardcore’ fans what hes like so that we can all stop bickering.

    Bruce buffer – “Lyoto ‘Marmite’ Mhachiiiiidahhhh”.
    Hows that for a nickname?

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  • Schlegel says:

    Good article Morgs, I think all the comments answer bjjdenver’s question to why it was written. :)

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  • Andy says:

    What would happen if Machida had to fight a clone of himself? Would there even be a fight, or neither would be successfull at hitting the other, just a bunch if whiffs.

    I have to admit it will take a little while to like his style. He needs to fight some more top 10 talent first, if he can make the best look frustrated, then he has truly taken mma to another level.

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  • Handover Fist says:

    There’s no shortage of Tito fans out there and I think most of those comments come from people who watched the fight with their Tito goggles on. There’s also no shortage of fans(?) who could care less about the technical aspect of MMA and just want to see two guys smash each others faces in…. they’re the ones that are usually booing 30 seconds into a fight.

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  • bDavid says:

    i loved the way Machida picked Tito apart .. Tito was completely frustrated it was truly awesome . i like the ‘bangers bangin’ but i also like the way Machida played Tito like a chess game it was a brillaint game plan , i look forward to more Machida fights…. hey why all the hate for noobs to the sport .. you veteran fans want the sport to grow don’t you .. that means noobs ( like me ) so instead of ragging on the noobs .. help us out if you can and describe the early days .. dont be so negative.. (( i admit i found UFC on Spike the ‘tito /shamrock’ season but man oh man i am hooked now! i have searched youtube hi and low and it is great how much MMA stuff you can find).. i wish i had found the UFC before my battles with the law and that is another story ….. anyway long reign G.S.P !! and bravo Lyoto !

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  • Patrick says:

    Machida is terrific, he takes virtually no punishment while he completely picks apart his opponents. He dropped Tito with a spot on knee out of nowhere, he finds openings and is able to just completely abuse people for trying to stand against him. He’s got a great ground game, very unique and fast paced standup game, great defense, lightning quick and accurate offense, and he’s respectful of his opponents always, even if they’re insulting him.

    Terrific fighter, honorable guy. I for one am most definitely in the camp that enjoys watching him fight. He always pulls at least one new trick out of the bag per fight, and it’s fun to see what’s next. (plus that arm triangle he used on Sokou was so bad ass.)

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  • Evan says:

    Handover Fist summed it up very well. This sport has a lot of room to grow and I think it will.

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  • Sam says:

    I think he’s a great fighter but I would not pay to see him fight. And I think that will be his downfal,l because he can’t headline a card

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  • JoeRoganIsAnAss says:

    The problem is I just don’t like the way he fights. Machida fight’s like a bitch! And his Bitch@$$ness is represented in the fact that, no matter how much you glorify his style, he doesn’t want to get hit. He doesn’t have the heart of a fighter. He WON’T stand there and bang.

    When you think of the LHW Division, more specifically the people at the top, you think of guys that go out and throwdown. Rampage, Chuck, Wandy, Forrest & all those guys love to strike. To punch and take a punch. Knockouts; that’s what you think of with the LHW Division.

    So you’ll have to excuse me, as a MMA fan that doesn’t appreciate Machida’s adaptation of Karate into MMA. He’s a point-fighter! He’s a 185 pounder in a 203 pound body. I’m sorry, but I don’t have to jump on the Machida bandwagon or buy Joe Rogan’s “Elusive” line to appreciate Mixed Martial Arts.

    Is he on to something with his style? Yes, he is. Coming in lighter allows him to be too quick for his opponents (that’s summing A LOT of things into a nutshell). I’ll even applaud him for having the vision to make the change, based on the division, to his body, diet, conditioning, etc. He’s a professional, but I just haven’t seen anything in his past fights to project to the next level…

    But with everything in this Crazy Sport of ours, I’ll get my Matt Serra or Ryo Chonan, to come in & expose him for his bitchassness. Or maybe he just won’t have the power for the division’s bigger, better strikers… hmm?

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  • chico says:

    Did you just say Mayweather is ”loved by millions”?

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  • Patrick says:

    #40, do you like getting punched in the face? Kicked in the head? No, you don’t.

    Playing a smart game by not just being a mook and standing in front of a guy while he tries to wail on you is probly the best idea when you’re in a fight. Ever watched any boxing? They don’t stand still in front of eachother, they move their bodies in order to provide openings in their opponents defense while utilizing their own ability to dodge blows.

    Machida’s strength is his ability to pick his opponents apart, taking advantages of the tiniest mistakes in their defenses while pushing the pace of the fight by causing the most damage. Being a moron and allowing yourself to get beat up in a fight is the fastest way to lose, hurt yourself, or gas. Making your opponent frustrated with your quickness and your ability to strike at any moment an opening appears is extremely smart and tactical.

    Saying Chuck is a guy who loves to stand and bang is fine, but you’ve obviously missed a lot of the technical aspects of Chuck’s striking… he’s a backup fighter, he pulls back, avoiding his opponents while they attack him while he’s able to land hits from a defensive position. He’s very much similar to Machida in the fact that they’re both extremely defensive strikers.

    Machida a point fighter? How many Machida fights have you watched? He submitted Sokou, he’s decimated others with serious vicious strikes, and he’s fought in some great decision matches as well where he’s just totally taken apart his competition.

    Not only is he quick by the way, but he completely stuffed Tito’s takedown attempts and managed to just throw Tito off of him by using proper leverage techniques.

    You can’t honestly expect everyone to fight like Wandy and Forrest and Serra and guys who are just willing to swing for the fences and hope they’re the first ones to hit the button, that’s boring, why should every fight be a slugfest? This isn’t boxing and being able to appreciate the wide range of styles that MMA allows for is one of the greatest aspects of the sport.

    Saying someone fights like a bitch is disrespectful and all it does is show how ignorant you are being of the sport. Saying this guy doesn’t have the heart of a fighter when he’s grown up completely dedicated to combat sports, and he’s willing to go into that cage, or into a ring and fight some of the best fighters in the world (and win) is bullshit. Your opinion is bullshit, sorry, but that’s how it is.

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  • b/rad says:

    First time i saw Machida fight i felt he was a little boring. Every time i watch a Machida fight i like this guy more. You stand there and play his game your probably going to lose. I’d much rather see a Machida/ Chuck fight than a Shogun/ Chuck fight . I think if he got through Chuck you couldn’t deny him a title shot anymore.

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  • Shaun says:

    machida is fun to watch if you understand his style. like you can literally see the confused looks on tito and sokojuko faces in the fights, plus they had to have watched type on him and they still get mesmerized. it’s true you’re not gonna see any vicious ground n pound or red belt submission but you get to see karate which is one of the most popular martial arts in the world but is given little credit to its effectiveness in a cage or street…well, i guess that means as long as you known karate and your street fight is timed you’re gonna win a decision!!!

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  • Stepp says:

    If he was so exciting why where the fans booing him. The fans have the final say, and if they don’t want to pay to see him fight then he’s out.

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  • JoeDiggs says:

    Machida is going to be the greatest fighter never to headline a PPV

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  • Sam Cupitt says:

    What do we all say when a fighter comes up against a guy who he wants to avoid the takedown against. Keep away and circle out, and pick your shots.

    Machida fucking did that! Better than anybody we’ve ever seen in MMA and he gets chastised by half the MMA population. I’ll forgive if half the MMA population are Tito Ortiz fans but come on. Kalib Starnes comparisons? Anyone who thinks that belongs in a rubber room.

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  • HexRei says:

    @#43: I’ve got a few bones to pick with your post:

    1st) Lyoto didn’t just use karate, you could see his wrestling, BJJ, and sumo experience as well in the way he handled himself on the ground and in the clinch against the larger Ortiz. Tito probably came into this fight 15 or 20 lbs heavier than Lyoto, but Machida still continually stuffed the takedowns of the larger and technically superior wrestler. He was showing a lot more than karate in this fight.

    2nd) Why is the time limit relevant? I’m not sure if you’re implying that Tito was holding back and never really let loose in order to avoid tiring before 15 mins or that Lyoto would have run out of gas had the fight been longer, but either seems ridiculous. Lyoto seemed to have at least as much gas if not more by the end of the fight and I’ve seen zero evidence so far that Lyoto would gas before Tito. The time limit is irrelevant.

    and

    3rd) im not sure what you mean by “vicious ground n pound or red belt submission” but Lyoto has two subs on his record, one of them recent. He has studied grappling from both the BJJ and wrestling angles. His subs are actually pretty strong. Additionally his GnP near the end of 1 on Tito (a takedown to side control with one of Tito’s arms trapped) was pretty vicious imho and had the round not ended who knows if Tito would have escaped.

    I feel ya on some of the other points but I think you are selling him a little short.

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  • gods son says:

    if you like “ultimate fighting” then you dont like machida. and you probably dont fight and dont like to get hit. stop being a robots. theres nothing enjoyable about his style. tito came to fight. he pressed the fight like he said he was. so tito did his job. ill never get off the wagon. dont worry hell be back. peace out

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  • the Levi says:

    lyoto is a complete pu$$y for not trying to finish his oppoenents, unless he is certain he won’t get hit. if that’s the way he wants to fight maybe he should stick to hitting the heavy bag so he would never have to get hit. those fancy kick combos were not hurting tito,they were more like foot slaps. run,run,run,strike,run,run, run is just as boring as lay and pray.as long as he keeps pu$$y pointing his way to decsion wins i will keep calling him a pu$$y.

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  • Patrick says:

    I’m #43!? I didn’t say any of that shit! You sir, have offended me!

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  • Patrick says:

    #50, ever taken around 10 inside leg kicks and 15 outside leg kicks from a professional fighter?

    That shit isn’t a “foot slap” it can seriously fuck your leg up and can eventually lead to being huge detriment to the ability to try and shoot on someone. Machida was taking away Tito’s greatest aspects, piece by piece. As long as you keep calling him that, I’ll keep calling you a moron, deal?

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  • urabozoo says:

    The only thing I can add to this is that I think if Tito would have just lied against the fence and let Machida have to attack he would have had better options. Having to chase Machida down didnt work and I kept thinking, let him come to you and take your chances. Why chase someone who wants to take pot shots when you can let the fight come to you?

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  • egad81 says:

    I think it looked more like Machida was toying with Ortiz.
    Machida prolly could have KOed Tito with a few more head kicks.

    all in all I still like both fighters and it was entertaining

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  • j mac says:

    Wow by comparing this trackstar to another trackstar that boxes that makes him great? Its good to be elusive and move but damn if his striking is so great can we at least get a little more i mean i dont know maybe a couple of combinations not one kick one punch bull$hit call it elusive but its just plain boring the funny thing is “hardcore fans” are just like this years celtics fans quick to on a band wagon the second someone exposes the fact that he has no game when in close yall will be finding an excuse to say why he really wasnt that great

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  • DPK says:

    I’ll pay to see Machida, against the right opponent, I want to see if any of the top LHWs (Rampage, Wandy, Shogun, Chuck) can figure out his style and beat him.

    My favorite moment of this fight was when Tito took a shot, and Machida was standing behind him by the time he came up. That is great reflexes and anticipation.

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  • MoreThanUFC says:

    Lol at anyone calling Lyoto a pu$$y or that he’s not a real fighter. None of you actually train or fight, do you?

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  • fight lover says:

    “That fucker keeps running away!”, is what (I think) Tito said at the end of the 2nd rd. I’m sorry to say this to all of you hardcore Tito fans (and to those of you who watch UFC just to see two guys brawling), but I was laughing my ass off. Hahaha! First of all, I was a huge Tito fan (and still am)before Machida came into the scene, so don’t get all over me for laughing. It was only because Tito got played like a fiddle by Machida. Sad to say…but it’s true. I have watched UFC since its beginning, and I remember when everybody was watching this skinny guy from Brazil and how he was taking his time to beat his bigger opponents, and saying that this guy’s fights was one of the most boring fights they’ve ever seen. We all know who that guy was and how those “boring fights” scenes came into play in UFC now. (If you don’t know what I mean, I’m talking about the jiujitsu.)
    I’m not saying that Machida is bringing in a new style of martial arts…just that he’s using his ‘smarts’ over his oppenents. He’s showing an overall well-roundedness in his martial arts. I’m talking about the physical and mental aspects of the game. His mental strength and focus is what actually made me respect him more.
    With that being said, I think any martial artist would appreciate what Machida has brought. It’s sad though how his ratings (and every MMA fighters’ ratings) are based on PPV viewers. To all of you “nay sayers”, whom, I’m guessing, are the “street fight viewers,”Open your eyes more to see the true beauty of what true martial arts is… that it’s not about blood.”
    Hey, did you see the ‘samurai spirit’ he showed when he did not submit at the end of the Tito fight?

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  • Jay K. says:

    I’m both a fight fan and a Tito fan, but that fight was pathetic. Machida may be the most winningest fighter on the UFC roster to get kicked to the F*king curb for his boring style of fighting.

    Machida is:
    1. A Great tactician.
    2. A strategic fighter.
    3. a fighter with Kaleb Starnes like cardio.
    4. BOOOOORING.

    If he doesn’t engage his opponent in his next fight, I see him either getting tossed off the roster or thrown into permanent undercard status until he raises the intensity of his game. He’d be a better fighter at 185 than at the 205.

    Jay K.

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  • king mah mah says:

    I think machida should win an olympic gold medal for running track! Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying machida is a shitty fighter. In fact he is actually a really smart fighter, who is very fast and elusive. But lets face the facts here folks………….people (including me) do not want to pay $45 to watch a tactical non finished fight. In the words of florian FINISH FIGHTS!!!

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  • king mah mah says:

    or at least try to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • king mah mah says:

    One thing I would like to add. I am so sick and tired of all these people claiming that they are somehow the most knowledgeable true fans and calling everybody else newbies or “casual fans”. What the fuck is that!! Believe me when I tell that there is nothing “casual” about paying for a pay-per-view that you expect to be entertained by. And don’t give me this true beauty of the sport shit! Or that is true mma crap! I’ve followed ufc since day one too, and i would still much rather see a brutal knockout or a 3 round war slugfest. You people know deep down you’re the same way too. So don’t give me this high and mighty i’m a true fan shit!! Machida is boring to watch and you know it!! Get over yourselves already!!

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  • bjjdenver says:

    king mah mah… So you didn’t care for that fight and therefore it ruined the whole card? Did you ppv to see the Machida/Tito fight or the whole card? If every fight was a brutal slugfest, many people would be bitching about that. Why are you complaining about Machida, what did Tito do to impress you?
    I enjoy fights like Jardine/Silva, but if thats all i wanted to see, I would just watch a KO highlight show. This card had a little of everything and people complaining about ONE fight/fighter on the card is ridiculous.

    I respect your opinions and choice to like/dislike anything, but I think this is getting a little blown out of proportion.

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  • JacRabbit says:

    “Machida is going to be the greatest fighter never to headline a PPV”

    100% agreed. Yes, Machida has done something incredible by being able to bring a new dimension MMA…but the problem is, the majority doesn’t care to see it!

    MMA is and industry, and the UFC is its largest BUSIENSESS. Machida doesn’t do himself or the UFC any justice by engaging so sporadically. Tito fights the way he does because he’s MARKETING himself as a person who will push the fight until the end. As someone stated before–Tito did his job. If Machida can’t impress at least the MAJORITY of the crowd with this style, he’s never going to sell–let alone become a superstar (regardless of his perfect record).

    It would be one thing if this was a charity event, where we all watched for free and the fighters fought for free…but this is not the case! People pay to see something enjoyable, and unfortunately (according to the “BOOOOs”) most people don’t find this style enjoyable. Ultimately, Machida will come to a point where he will need to decide whether he wants to make money, or fulfill his legacy. If he has a family to feed, then I think we know the answer…

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  • Jackyl says:

    I totally disagree Mah Mah. I was on the edge of my seat the whole fight. There was a constant tension because you knew that if Tito made a move, Machida would counter. Tito knew this as well. Also, Machida was circling away but if Tito wanted to engage, he could have rushed him or stalked him down. Machida is a very patient, tactical fighter. He’s in there to win, not to put on a show. How many fighters do you think have lost fights just because they want to try to put a show on? It’s about doing what is effective to win, and if he keeps winning, that is entertaining to me because each match will ask the question ” Who can solve the Machida puzzle?”. I say give him Thiago Silva. Both undefeated. Thiago has a history of stoppages. That would be great. Houston Alexander is a possibility too. Also, don’t tell me that the knee Machida dropped Tito with was not just perfect.

    You say you’d rather see a barn burner? You’ve been watching since the start and you can’t appreciate a good technical matchup? Fights can be entertaining in a lot of different ways. You can also see this in the crowds. The crowds outside of Vegas are much harder to please. At the Vegas shows you will actually hear cheers when one guy sweeps another to reverse gaurd, or scrambles for someone’s back, or goes for an armbar. So it is true that ” casual fans” sometimes are not able to appreciate the nuances of the sport. That’s where education comes in. As fans become more educated to the sport, they will appreciate everything it has to offer.

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  • Jackyl says:

    I don’t think his legacy is in danger at all. I don’t care if he does the exact same thing for every fight. If he racks up wins against the top guys, his popularity will grow regardless of his fight style. People will be like, “Damn that dude has beat everyone.” I’m not saying he will….I’m just saying that if he does continue to win, his star will rise no matter what.

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  • Clifton says:

    Machida exemplifies the essence of martial arts. Watching two guys beat the piss out of each other is awesome; but as a martial artist, it is nice to see a guy who takes what he learns to the next level. He can apply everything he knows. We will probably see Machida bust out something that we have rarely seen in MMA.

    It is the same old story. We thought BJJ was unbeatable, but then the wrestlers came along. Then Mo Smith kicked Conans head off.

    And to the guys who say that Tito “pressed” the fight……LOLZ…wake up.

    Tito was afraid to engage. And he got caught.

    Machida fights like a traditional martial artist. And it is refreshing to those of us that have that background.

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  • JacRabbit says:

    On a bit of a tangent–do you ever wonder why championship matches are altered to go five 5 min rounds instead of three? If all fighters fought like Machida I think we would need 10 min rounds to have enough statistics to judge.

    (putting on my fire suit–flame on!)

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  • JoeRoganIsAnAss says:

    “Machida’s strength is his ability to pick his opponents apart, taking advantages of the tiniest mistakes in their defenses while pushing the pace of the fight by causing the most damage.”

    Wrong you Nuthugger. That’s why he almost got sub’d by a guy not know for sub’s off his back. But go ahead and enjoy the tender embrace of his testicles Patrick…

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  • JacRabbit says:

    “I don’t think his legacy is in danger at all. I don’t care if he does the exact same thing for every fight. If he racks up wins against the top guys, his popularity will grow regardless of his fight style. People will be like, “Damn that dude has beat everyone.” I’m not saying he will….I’m just saying that if he does continue to win, his star will rise no matter what.”

    But are you sure that we wont just hear the same “damn that dude just ran for 15 min”?

    FYI–I highly respect Machida’s style. Just not for $55. Catching him on UFC Unleashed is what I would resort to.

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  • Luke says:

    –One thing I would like to add. I am so sick and tired of all these people claiming that they are somehow the most knowledgeable true fans and calling everybody else newbies or “casual fans”. What the fuck is that!! Believe me when I tell that there is nothing “casual” about paying for a pay-per-view that you expect to be entertained by. And don’t give me this true beauty of the sport shit! Or that is true mma crap! I’ve followed ufc since day one too, and i would still much rather see a brutal knockout or a 3 round war slugfest. You people know deep down you’re the same way too. So don’t give me this high and mighty i’m a true fan shit!! Machida is boring to watch and you know it!! Get over yourselves already!!–

    Spoken like a true NOOB.

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  • JOe K. says:

    # 16 JacRabbit Says:
    …to add to the above–would you have paid $55 to see that fight as a main event if it were accompanied by an average card?

    No, because Tito is kind of a wash-up. If Machida was to face a real big ticket fighter then Yes.

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  • king mah mah says:

    In response to #68 jackyl…. Yes I can appreciate a good technical bout, one that is action packed and doesn’t involve running away after 2 strikes at a time. Think of the guida vs. griffin match…. now that was technical and action packed. I’m sorry you guys love machida so much, but he just isn’t that exciting to watch. Can you imagine if he won the title doing what he did last night? The ufc would lose ratings. Dana White knows this and he is a long way away from a main event.

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  • king mah mah says:

    not last night but saturday, my bad

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  • king mah mah says:

    in response to #66…. When did I mention the whole card was ruined? The point I was making is that people don’t pay to see fights like machida/ortiz.

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  • king mah mah says:

    and you say people would complain about brutal slugfests?!! Yeah, just like everyone complained about liddell/silva huh?!

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  • king mah mah says:

    FYI, the very first thing my buddy from work said after he saw the machida fight was that he was just like kalib starnes!!

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  • king mah mah says:

    #68 you say tito could have rushed in or stalked him down. Yeah, but so could machida. what if both fighters refused to be the first to engage or press the action? wouldn’t be much of a fight at all would it? also, when you’ve only got three rounds you can’t be all that patient.

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  • HexRei says:

    King Mah Mah, if tito hadn’t been constantly walking into Machida I guarantee you Machida would have pressed the action to keep it at striking distance. Of course he didn’t want to close to clinch with Tito, inside the clinch or from top control was the only place Tito had a chance to win. Staying at striking range was Machida’s primary gameplan and when I guy is constantly trying to walk you down, evasion is the way to keep the distance.
    I don’t see how you can compare Starnes vs Quarry with this fight when Starnes never really even landed a solid punch, while Machida actually landed several dozen strikes and in fact did a lot of damage to Tito. If you just want to see two guys slamming on each other without technique, you should check out the Iron Ring. Right up your alley.

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  • HexRei says:

    @#80: and your friend is, well, wrong. There is a huge difference between backing up to avoid being in striking distance (what Starnes did) and backing up to maintain striking distance and find a better angle (what Machida did). Seriously, watch both fights back to back and tell me that Machida and Starnes fought the same style. The claim is ridiculous.

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  • Patrick says:

    #72, let’s go over the quote you have from me in context of the Tito fight:

    I said: ““Machida’s strength is his ability to pick his opponents apart, taking advantages of the tiniest mistakes in their defenses while pushing the pace of the fight by causing the most damage.””

    You claim I am incorrect, you’re wrong.

    Did he pick Tito apart? Yes, Machida’s strikes were all landing, he took away Tito’s offense time and time again by picking his leg apart and throwing Tito off every time Tito tried anything.

    Did he take advantage of openings in Tito’s defenses? Pretty much all of them, the front leg too far forward, hands lowering, hands being too high, Machida was striking at every opening.

    Who pushed the pace of that fight? The guy standing there getting hit time and time again while throwing down against empty air? Or the guy actually hitting, disengaging and reengaging constantly attacking openings and eventually charging, and dropping his opponent?

    So explain to me how I’m wrong, I’d love to hear it. Call me a nuthugger all you like, at least I have some brain cells man.

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  • king mah mah says:

    It’s hilarious how mad everybody gets about the comparison! I don’t actually put machida in the same boat as starnes. It was just dissapointing to see that kind of a fight for tito’s exit. I think that’s where all that starnes comments come from. And I originally said that machida is a very smart fighter, just not as exciting as a lot of people probably hoped. FYI, I don’t always want to see a brawl, but i do want to see action wheather it’s wrestling, jujitsu, or striking. Plus all this is basically is tito fans against machida fans. Not that i’m the biggest tito fan, but i like him better than machida. Just for what he’s done for the sport if nothing else.

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  • king mah mah says:

    hexrei, you can’t guarantee anything about a fight. Not even a machida one!

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  • JacRabbit says:

    I agree that Machida didn’t do exactly what Starnes was doing…but don’t you think it says something that sooo many people have made some form of connection between the two? Even offline I’ve heard a few people make similar comments. Even though I don’t fully agree, I don’t find the connection all that baffling. Heck, according to Kalib he was trying to “work off his jab”–clearly his “elusiveness” just isn’t as good as Machida’s. Either way, both clearly weren’t adamant about fully engaging. Had Machida felt completely “endangered” from being clinched or taken down the entire fight, would he have never engaged?

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  • king mah mah says:

    I’m right with ya JacRabbit.

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  • king mah mah says:

    Like I said in the live chat during the event, you can’t run to a decision and get respect! No matter how smart of a plan it might be to win on points!

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  • HexRei says:

    @#87 haha, the majority of MMA fans are casual fans. As said elsewhere on this site, the type of person that equates Machida and Starnes is also the type of person who tends to think Griffin vs Bonnar 1 was the greatest fight ever.

    Starnes wasn’t elusive, he refused to engage. That’s not what Machida did, you can’t land dozens of strikes without engaging.
    You make it sound like if he had stood in front of Tito and just traded punches it would have been a better fight. Well, maybe for you it would have. I loved the way he made Tito’s shoots look like a ten year old tripping over his shoelaces, and his standup technique is indomitable. I believe after one more win (against someone like Bonnar, Chuck, or Houston) Machida deserves a title shot.

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  • Jackyl says:

    I think if you look at the judging for the two fights it says it all. Quarry clearly dominated Starnes while Starnes constantly backed off, and the scoring reflected that. Machida countered everything Tito had. He made him fight his fight and that’s why Tito lost. And to all that say Machida almost got submitted, the fact is that he DIDN’T get submitted. As tight as that triangle looked it was obviously not applied properly or Machida would not have escaped.

    Also a title fight with Machida wouldn’t look like that because he would be fighting someone else. Machida adapts to who he is fight. Look at the fight against Soko. I would imagine that Rampage would really take it to him and if he came out with a win, it would have to be an impressive one.

    So who does everyone think Machida should fight next? My vote is Thiago Silva. Somebody’s 0 must GO!!!

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  • j mac says:

    @ #90 wow for being such a hardcore fan i’d think you knew that he already had a win against bonnar and houston what would that prove he has 2 straight losses then you put chuck in the same sentance with these b grade fighters some hardcore fan you are.

    @ #91 you sir make a lot more sense then most people but i seen the fight with bj penn and machida and he didnt really have that much trouble taking machida down i think rampage would use his strength and he would be the victor in that fight but on to your best point SILVA VS MACHIDA the 0 must go. WAR SILVA!!!!

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  • Ryan Seacrest says:

    Hexrei,

    I am the buddy that said that the Tito/ Machida resembled the Starnes Quarry fight for one reason…..There was a serious lack of engaging with the opposition. I think that people are making a huge deal about this is because certain people think that Machida is a top 3 LHW. I disagree with that notion.

    I am not going to give any props to Tito either because I think that he had a lackluster fight. With his experence in the octagon he should be able to adapt to different styles of fighting. I just wish that they would go to sudden death like the old days because I really hate decisions. Now that was Ultimate Fighting!!!

    GO WINGS!!!! Sweep the Penguins!!!!

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  • Ross says:

    I personally think his fight was boring- like you said that is my right. It doesnt matter how good you are if 30% of fans think your boring, thats a lot of ppv buys and as you know cash rules everything…Dana allready knows he has your (“true mma fans”) money, he wants the money of the casual fan and to a good portion of casual fans Machidas style is boring. What is the difference between him and Jake Obrien? Jake got cut and he had a winning record.

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  • Chris says:

    I find it mildly amusing how some of you seem to think that “running away and trying to oupoint your opponent” is the ‘essence of martial arts’ and “beautiful”. Somehow those of us who don’t ‘understand’ how ‘amazing’ this is aren’t real fans. Quite frankly that happens to be a a lot of self delusional non-sense.

    I mean you can make comparisons to boxing, but so what? So some good boxers have danced around, and outpointed thier opponents. To be blunt boxing is a fading sport and alot of MMA fans don’t enjoy boxing. If you want to continue your boxing analogy though – arguably the biggest draw and most well known boxer in a generation was Mike Tyson who was known for his almost pyschotic agression and finishing opponents.

    Closer to home, Tim Sylvia’s ‘style’ of being bigger than everyone else and using his reach and size/weight advantage to tie up his opponents was ‘effective’ and ‘smart strategy’. He too was routinely made the internet’s whipping boy for being a ‘boring fighter’. Tim Sylvia seemed to at least recognize that alienating the fans was a problem and even seemed somewhat appologetic about it after his fight with Big Nog. I don’t recall many of the self annoited ‘true believers’ who are now rushing to Mr. Pretty Boy Karate Kid’s defense, offering any resistance on Tim Sylvia’s behalf.

    The fact a style is effective really doesn’t matter. This isn’t an ameteur bout or an academic exercise, its entertainment. The UFC is a professional mixed martial arts organization, its sucess and failure depends on fan interest. The very idea that the opinions of fans who dislike Machida should be disregarded is laughable – if that were Joe Silva and Dana White’s way of thinking they might as well just amass a big pile of Zuffa money, pour a little gasoline on it and light it on fire. The company markets itself on providing an agressive, explosive and interesting fighting spectacle that is real. If you think its unreasonable that after the company holds itself out in such a fashion that the fans expect the fighters to deliver then your nuts.

    Its quite simple the UFC rolls out highlight packages that feature knock outs, submissions and back and forth struggles because its what’s exciting. People don’t want reckless abandon, although it does work for them, nor is the finish always necessary. What fans what to see is two fighters going head to head, and giving them everything they have in an attempt to finish the fight.

    That’s Machida’s problem, he doesn’t engage and look like he’s even making an honest effort to finish the fight. He comes in, brief flurry pulls back, doesn’t go on the attack and seems content to eke out decisions. Chuck counterpunches and no one criticizes him because he looks to finish the fight and he’ll take the fight to his opponent. No one questions that Chuck is looking for the win.

    The fans are expected to plunk down their money to see a fight. They expect in turn that the fighter make an effort to finish the fight. Fighters that understand that like Wanderlei, Kenny Florian and others understand that but for the fans they’re fighting doesn’t mean a rats ass and they couldn’t do this for a living.

    Machida if you want an accurate analogy is much like the New Jersey Devils. If you don’t follow hockey you may not grasp the analogy. The Devils pioneered something called the “trap”, which is rather similar to counterpunching in that it was almost a solely defensive strategy. Clog the neutral zone, minimize offense, slow the game down, and try to capitalize on a few mistakes by your opponent. Sure it worked for the devils but did it work for hockey? Not really, it minimized interest in hockey in the States and the league has been trying to open the game up and make it more exciting to get better tv ratings and build interest in the game ever since.

    Machida might be effective, but he is boring and the UFC should know that its customers aren’t wrong.

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  • HexRei says:

    @#90, I did realize that he already had a win against Bonnar… five years ago, and a full year and a half before Bonnar went to the TUF show. I think it would be a great rematch. Houston, that would be an interesting fight with a wildly strong striker who has actual KO power. And Chuck I think would be a good leadup to a title shot since he is a recent titleholder himself.

    Wandy would actually be a good fight, I agree with you on that point. Too bad you had to be such a dick to make your point :/

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  • HexRei says:

    oops, that last @#92.

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  • Big D says:

    HE IS JUST LIKE KALEB AND EVEN KALEB THREW SOME KICKS IN THERE JUST LIKE MACHIDA ACTUALLY THIS REMINDS ME A LOT OF WHEN KOSCHECK AND DIEGO FOUGHT AND KOS TOOK DIEGO DOWN AT THE END OF THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN NEVER ENGAGED AGAIN DIDNT EXPECT HIM TO STAND IN FRONT OF HIM BUT COME ON I ALSO FAULT TITO FOR NOT CUTTING MACHIDA OFF

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  • HexRei says:

    WE HAVE BEEN CONVINCED BY THE SHEER FORCEFULNESS OF THIS MANY CAPITAL LETTERS IN ONE PLACE

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  • mike wolfe says:

    Nothing to say. Just want this string to hit 100.

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  • henri sonnier says:

    This was just one fight by Machida and it was not a good showing. Machida had a really off night and still beat Tito Ortiz. Reliable sources have disclosed that he had the flu. He had the flu, flew here, fought — had a bad night — and still won fairly easily.
    Not bad IMHO.
    Critiques are the reincarnation of the masses that crucified Jesus.

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  • king mah mah says:

    Where the hell do you get this religious shit out of this article?!

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  • king mah mah says:

    Besides, blah blah blah! Nobody cares what his excuse is. The fight was boring and people are turned off by machida.

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  • henri sonnier says:

    King mah mah,

    It is easy to be a critic. Machida is a great fighter — if you do not like him do not watch him. Not everyone is turned off by Machida. He did not make an excuse — I got it from people who know him and his family. I agree with you — it was a boring fight — but Machida has had lots of exciting fights and this was just a really bad showing. No big deal — it is unfair to find his worst performances and judge and critique the fighter and the man on the basis of a few performances. At least give him a chance — if his next few fights are like this one — I will admit that you are right.

    I like Machida — I like how he fights — I like him as a person — I admit that I would not want every fighter to be like him, but at least he is different.

    later,

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  • JacRabbit says:

    I’m sorry, but I expected a boring fight and I’m not a fortune teller.

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  • Cipher says:

    All these people saying how Machida is boring and they would not pay to see him headline a card. I think you are all fooling yourselves, I understand if you think Machida fights boring, but the fact that he is getting this much attention means you love to hate him, which means that if they put him against Rampage tomorrow, you would all pay to see it in hopes to see Rampage knock him out. I am fine if you hate him or love him, but if he keeps beating top fighters, you will spend your hard earned cash to see him. I believe the UFC knows that, so there is little chance of seeing Machida getting cut for being boring, he is what every promotion needs, someone to hate.

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  • The bottom line is this. Machida is 13-0. Is he Mr. Excitement? No. But the bottom line is the guy beats everyone put in front of him…Nuf said..

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  • Mike Olson says:

    One thing to say about machida: Unreal lateral movement. The guy should consider a career as a NFL halfback. The way he would just step to the side when Tito would shoot was unreal; literally just step to the side effortlessly. Hate to watch him fight, but it is really a thing of beauty to see someone with his feet and movement. He can step back and punch effectively at the same time.

    However, it is my great fear that he will reign over the LHW division for a long time. I just don’t see anyone who can do anything to him. He avoid trouble like no other.

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  • jrr says:

    On Machida’s style, if you watch traditional karate matches [the ones worth watching], this is nothing new. We in the US think of a good fight as 2 people standing in front of each other and swinging for the ropes. What happens if both of you had knives –> you’d both become ground beef! hahahaha!

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