The Dana White Rhetoric
Posted by Adam MorganUSA Today recently posted a Q&A session with Dana White where he trudges out some of the same old tired analogies that he always does and also some new ones. Let’s take a look at this gem of an interview.
On the PRIDE deal:
Realistically, the only company that I considered as big as the UFC, and it was over in Japan, not in the United States, was Pride. What I wanted to come away from Pride acquisition obviously was talent and that library. I wanted that library.
Oh really? The library you never use? Sure, you can see the fights on UFC On Demand if you really want but why pay for them when you can find them online in all kinds of different places? And when was the last time the PRIDE library was even used to great effect? Never has it been used to really hype a fight to the extent that a casual fan would want to buy a pay per view because a PRIDE guy is fighting. As for the talent, we all know what happened regarding the talent. It didn’t come with the deal and whose fault is that ultimately? If the UFC had done its due diligence in regards to buying PRIDE maybe we wouldn’t have to hear these questions anymore.
On the WEC:
The WEC has actually turned out to be 10 times the product Pride ever was.
This has to be the biggest farce of a statement that has come out of White’s mouth in the past few month. Ten times the product? I’ll give White credit, the WEC puts on great shows that don’t disappoint. But there has never been a time where I have thought to myself that a WEC show could be the best show of the year or a better product than PRIDE. PRIDE sold out massive arenas in Japan with more fans than even a UFC show could dream of doing. The WEC shows are lucky to get 10,000 people in the venue. For as much good as White has done for the sport, it’s statements like this one that make you want to pull your hair out sometimes. It’s disrespectful to the product that was PRIDE and he might as well be pissing on their grave.
On fighters outside the UFC:
No other organization has anybody worthy of fighting the UFC champion. If you look at CBS, they have Kimbo Slice fighting, this guy was fighting in your backyard last weekend, you know what I mean?
There are, honestly, no guys outside of the UFC that I’m interested in right now. When I say that, I mean in other organizations.
It’s this kind of closed-minded approach that also rubs me the wrong way. You’re telling me that Gesias Calvancante or Shinya Aoki isn’t worthy of fighting B.J. Penn? I know you have to pimp your product and for the most part the UFC does have the best fighters in the world. But don’t act like there aren’t great MMA fighters out there who aren’t in the UFC because there most definitely are.
Also, to that effect, the future of the UFC has to come from somewhere. So Dana is admitting that he needs the other leagues to farm talent from but then goes back and says that there’s no one out there that he’s even interested in? Please.
On a television deal:
At the end of the day, what we’re really in is, we’re in the pay-per-view business. My job and my crew’s job here at the UFC is, we sit around and we create new ways to build our pay-per-view business, you know? To expose people to mixed martial arts, to expose them to the athletes, to learn.
Exposing people to mixed martial arts through pay per view? As opposed to a television deal? Doesn’t make much sense. Make people pay for your product, like UFC 71, and end up with a one minute fight that didn’t appeal to anyone but hardcores. Or, give them the opportunity to watch a bunch of fights for free on network television. I think this is a telltale sign that the UFC has no real interest in negotiating a television deal right now and are happy where they’re at in the pay per view business. I can’t blame them, they’re making money hand over fist. But don’t act like you’re putting on pay per views to expose people to the sport. You’re in the pay per view business to make money, period.
On the atmosphere at UFC events:
People are always asking me, can you bring your kids to a UFC event? Yeah, if you would let your kids watch professional boxing, you should absolutely bring your kids to a UFC event. Basically the people at the UFC event are the who’s who from Las Vegas, the who’s who from L.A. and a ton of hardcore fans who are very respectful people — most of these people are martial artists themselves.
Obviously Dana has never sat in the crowd at a UFC event because he has no real perception of the type of people that go to events. It may be all glitz and glamour down on the floor but in the stands it’s a different story. The hardcore community is extremely small. Those who train? Even smaller. The larger contingent of the fans at the events are those who want to see two guys bash each other in the face, have zero problems screaming obscenities, and watch pro wrestling every Monday night. I’ve been to three different UFC events, two in Columbus and one in Cincinnati. I sat in three different ticket price areas and I found the same people around me no matter where I went: assholes.
On The Ultimate Fighter:
I don’t think so. This thing’s in its seventh season. I start shooting season eight next week. Think of all the greatest television shows in the history of television, how many of them have gone eight seasons?
Denial. This is what we call denial. White refuses to admit that the product is stale and that the ratings are dropping. One episode this season was the lowest rated episode ever in the history of the series. The fact that there’s so many seasons has to have something to do with the fact that the UFC is pumping out seasons as fast as they can. Has Spike TV even had time to notice the ratings drop? Sooner or later the jig is going to be up.







Wow this is a lot of Dana hate. We all know he says some stupid shit. But is it really necessary to disseminate every single word he says and pick it a part? Is this really news worty?
These type of statements make me want to pull Dana White’s hair ou….oh wait never mind
Dana is out to do what is best for his brand and his brand alone. he doesn’t give (insert four letter word here) about MMA as sport and if it grows as a sport.
Dana sounds like any politician pushing his agenda or a CEO pumping his product
Dana for the UFC = good
Dana for the rest of MMA out in the great big world = not so much
Adam thanks for checking up on DW for the rest of us because most of the mainstream and internet media much rather kiss his pinky ring
Hey Adam Morgan….I think you are a little unfair about YOUR rhetoric on Dana White. Adam/Ultmma: White is dead on balls acurate. Check it out - Scott Smith fighting for the EliteXC title? Hell, he could not even beat Ed Herman and was lucky as shit to even beat Pete Sell and Sell/Herman are barely holding on to even be a member of the UFC let alone compete for a UFC title!!! You say that Dana is not utilizing the Pride talent? Well Rampage is doing pretty damn good and Silva proved last week that he is still one of the worlds best not only by manhandling Jardine, but fighting tough as nails against Liddell, the toughest nut in the woods. You got this one wrong Morgan and quite frankly proved you do not do your research thoroughly. You must be a liberal….
I cant believe everyone loves to bash Dana White. I find that so funny. He does say some stupid off the wall things sometimes because of his ego but he is the reason all these writers and “experts” even have a job in this UFC dominated buisness. Dont hate on the guy that got you that gig.
Again Morgan, there you go again. In terms of the WEC - ever heard of Faber, ya know - the best pound for pound fighter in the world? He happens to fight Jens Pulver Sunday night on VS. in case you didnt know…Where is your head Morgan? You did not even mention Faber in the WEC part of the article.
Pay per view - if it was not for the UFC pay per view and the advertisement of them on the Spike Network - utilimately through their reality show - there would not be an EliteXC and HDnet fights on TV. The only reason these shows are making it to the level they are is because people are piggybacking on what Dana White and the Fertitta’s created through their own hard work and business savy.
Atmosphere: Morgan, ever been to a college football game? There is cussing and plenty of assholes and kids there. Ever been to a pro football game? pro baseball game? Plenty of cussing going on and kids/assholes in the crowd. If you dont like the UFC, dont fucking go!!!
The reality show: Morgan, ever watched the Apprentice? Friends? Seinfeld? MASH? All shows - whether or not they are reality - come to an end numbnuts. They cant last forever…Oh, you probably watch that Deion Sanders reality MEGAHIT dont you?
If you are going to write about MMA, learn about the sport first. Just remember, Dana White and the Fertitta’s created the whole MMA phenomenon that dummies like you think they know enough to write about. Dont trash the guy because he is a hell of a businessman….
Sorry, one more time. I am sick and fucking tired of the media, especially drive by’s like this jerk shitting on everyone and every organization that leads the way and produces a good product. Dana White produces a quality product and has the balls to speak his mind and answer directly when he is asked a direct questions. This article has set my ass off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adam will it make you happier if he signed Kimbo?
“You say that Dana is not utilizing the Pride talent? Well Rampage is doing pretty damn good and Silva proved last week that he is still one of the worlds best not only by manhandling Jardine, but fighting tough as nails against Liddell, the toughest nut in the woods.”
First of all, you’re missing the point entirely. Dana and Co. wanted to buy PRIDE in order to get the roster and the library. What they ended up with was the library. The talent didn’t come with the purchase of the company. All of the fighters were on personal service contracts and therefore became free agents. Rampage’s contract carried over from the purchase of the WFA, not PRIDE. Dana had to go out and sign Wanderlei Silva. He had to go out and sign Cro Cop. Why do you think Josh Barnett, Fedor, etc aren’t with the UFC? They thought that by buying PRIDE that they would get that talent and their contracts transferred over. They were wrong. So please spare me the “you don’t know about the sport” or “you haven’t done your research” comments.
“In terms of the WEC - ever heard of Faber, ya know - the best pound for pound fighter in the world? He happens to fight Jens Pulver Sunday night on VS. in case you didnt know…Where is your head Morgan? You did not even mention Faber in the WEC part of the article.”
As for the WEC, you missed the point again entirely. I love the WEC. It’s a great product. But to say that it’s turned out ten times better than PRIDE is a joke and we all know it.
“Atmosphere: Morgan, ever been to a college football game? There is cussing and plenty of assholes and kids there. Ever been to a pro football game? pro baseball game? Plenty of cussing going on and kids/assholes in the crowd. If you dont like the UFC, dont fucking go!!!”
Obviously you didn’t read the entire interview. He goes on to say that baseball games are littered with foul language, fights, and rude behavior and says that UFC events are much more civil. He’s dead wrong. I’ve been to three events and all of those things happen tenfold at a UFC event.
And you choose to ignore the fact that I did praise Dana for what he’s done for the sport but he slaps the casual fan in the face sometimes and it’s BS.
^^^^^^^Straight up ownage. Well done, Adam.
#5 BP chill-ax bro.
Believe in everything under the Zuffa umbrella.
That’s your opinion. Adam has his. Keeping watching your TUF and ordering UFC ppv every month
There’s nothing else out there. UFC is MMA lol
“But to say that it’s turned out ten times better than PRIDE is a joke and we all know it.”
Remind us of how Pride is doing these days please.
Dana’s an idiot. I wish the interviewer would have asked Dana’s opinion about the upcoming Fedor vs. Sylvia megafight, and how it would affect the reflection upon the UFC’s HW division, especially if Fedor ends up mowing down the UFC’s greatest HW champions all in a row (Sylvia, Couture, Arlovski, even Josh Barnett).
Wow, you really set off Brian Pastore! I’m not a fan of Dana bashing, but I’m also not a fan of some of the statements Dana makes.
A couple notes: Rampage came from WFA deal. The notable talents that UFC got from the PRIDE deal are Shogun Rua, Sokodjou, and, umm… Mark Coleman? Cro Cop, Noguera, and Anderson Silva all came before the PRIDE deal.
I agree, any event that has a target audience of 20-35 will have that atmosphere, it’s not UFC’s fault. Isn’t a “bull ****” chant a regular at a NFL / college football / NBA event? It seems every WWE event will have an “***hole” chant every other fighter interview.
It’s true that TUF is a stale product, and I’ve stopped watching it this season, but I do recognize the UFC is trying to freshen it up with some in-show changes, and how they select the coaches. Rampage and Griffin seemed like it would be a instant classic if only it wasn’t the 7th go around. With Mir and Nog in the next TUF and not drawing much interest from the announcement, maybe the UFC is more willing to do drastic changes to freshen the show up.
Sigh.
Dana is NOT an idiot, he DOES say stupid stuff sometimes, and neither of those two facts will EVER change.
Can we move onto something more productive than this same old song and dance?
“Can we move onto something more productive than this same old song and dance?”
I agree.
How original…a Dana White ripping blog post / thread.
Adam by TKO !!!
nice!
Gotta agree with Sergio (#13) and, in an understated (decaffeinated?) sense, Brian P. (#4). This type of article reminds me of “Dances with the Stars.” Everybody knows what a foxtrot or a waltz or a tango look like. By the same token, everybody knows that the same cast of characters will piss and whine every time Dana’s interviews are posted. It’s even less interesting than “Dances” because there aren’t any costume changes.
Bitch, bitch, bitch.
It can be confusing, but let us try to list the fighters that came to the UFC or WEC as a result of not being able to fight in Pride any more.
Regardless of whether or not their contracts came with the deal, these fighters are in the UFC because the UFC bought Pride.
Please correct me if I list someone who signed with the UFC/Zuffa before Pride collapsed.
Current Heavyweight Champion Nogueira
Mark Coleman
WEC champion Paulo Filho
Shogun
Nakamura
Wanderlei Silva
Ryo Chonan
Rameau Thierry Hard-to-spell
Marcus Aurelio
Fabricio Werdum
And more to come? Ricardo Arona comes to mind.
UFC got a lot of talent out of the deal. Perhaps not directly, but they ended up with a lot of fighters as a result of it.
And perhaps it is better this way, for them to be able to pick and chose talent, instead of having to find work for a lot of Pride’s crappier fighters (and there were a LOT of them.)
I just think you’re being a little unfair. Not completely, but a little.
Also, I find it funny that Morgan sees assholes in three Ohio events and assumes that its the same crowd everywhere? Maybe Ohio is just filled with assholes.
Or maybe its as simple as the fact that the hardcore fans are more likely to make the trek to Vegas for the big-name events. Hell, I don’t know. Do you, Morgan? Incredibly shoddy journalism to make such crass generalizations based off limited information. But then, I wouldn’t expect anything more from a typical and substandard Dana-bashing article.
I don’t understand why people take Dana’s comments to heart. He’s a promoter and he’s doing his job to make his company sound like it’s doing the best possible. How is it any different from a movie star doing publicity for a crappy movie but claiming it’s very good and worth watching or a CEO at a struggling company spin facts at a shareholders meeting to keep investors interested?
Yes there are weaknesses in the UFC, but what good will admitting them in an interview for a website do? The vast majority of readers of that interview are not hardcore fans. Admitting their television product is stale to casual fans won’t give them any incentive to watch, will it?
How depressing. So in Dana’s mind the UFC has all the top fighters and so cannot get any better? Well, that means it’s all down hill from here folks. What a pessimistic, pathetic attitude to take on the MMA landscape. If he is being honest then it can only mean a poor outlook for the UFC’s future, as it sounds as if the jobs nearly complete. Where does he get this insane view from? George Bush perhaps…
It’s this attitude that has lended a hand to his competitors, would Affliction be in it’s position for a strong start if Dana hadn’t obstructed getting the best heavyweights in the division and alienating the ones he already has? I think not. Would EliteXC be in such a strong position if he hadn’t been so arrogant and controling over production? I don’t think so.
For someone so vocally against the rest of the MMA landscape his poor judgements and his burning of bridges has given his opponents (his enemies) the start and the opportunities they need to suceed. The UFC would be in such a better position if he hadn’t made such poor judgements.
I give him credit for laying the foundations of MMA in the West. But he is certainly the wrong man for the job when it comes to relations with other businesses, fighters, organisations, media and television networks.
I can’t believe the stupidity in some of these comments. It’s a 5oz comment section record. If you actually read that entire interview there are four or five comments that are insane even for him.
We know he’s a shill and a bullshitter but some of that stuff was dumb even for him. It’s like being behind a politician like Mitt Romney or Hillary Clinton. You accept they have to pander and spin all kinds of things. But to be in their “camp” and defend all of the stupid bullshit instead of being an intelligent rational adult is just dumbfounding.
Stop trying to be on a “team” and fight to the death and just accept some reality once in a while.
So MH, when there are all those fish in the barrel, we should ignore the fact that Morgan decided to shoot those fish in the barrel, and that he did a poor job of it?
There are much more interesting things to write about in regards to Dana than the usual promoter bullshit. No matter how big it gets, its still promoter bullshit. How about some insightful analysis of the basis behind Dana’s promoter bullshit and the affects it has, rather than simply going through point and yelling out “no, this is wrong wrong wrong!”
As an example:
“Denial. This is what we call denial. White refuses to admit that the product is stale and that the ratings are dropping. One episode this season was the lowest rated episode ever in the history of the series. The fact that there’s so many seasons has to have something to do with the fact that the UFC is pumping out seasons as fast as they can. Has Spike TV even had time to notice the ratings drop? Sooner or later the jig is going to be up.”
No shit, sherlock. We all know this. Which is why SpikeTV and the UFC have planned out a new show to replace TUF in 2010. Moreover, TUF still gets decent ratings; a 1.0 is still a lot of eyes to watch the show, and depending on what number of that 1.0 is new fans, the series still provides tons of value in terms of hype and introduction of new fans. Including the fact that Dana is right on the nose when he points out the saturation of the market. There are a lot of factors working against TUF. How about analyzing those factors and determining the real situation, rather than some standard bullshit sky-is-falling reaction?
Isn’t this supposed to be a hardcore fan site? Morgan condemns Dana for insulting the casual fans, while putting out this tripe of an article that insults them just as much.
“No shit, sherlock. We all know this.”
Does it seem to you like Dana realizes this from his comments? No. It’s about calling Dana on his bullshit, something that other sites are scared to do for fear of repercussion from the big, bad UFC. This interview was over the top, moreso than many of his other interviews, and as of yet today, I don’t see anyone but this site calling him on the ridiculous claims he made.
You, I know it wont matter to say it, and I know every other writer will come on here and call us wrong for laying into a fellow writer (way to get the ball rolling Huckaby), but I love 5 ounces. I really do. I read it every day and enjoy the content and news. But every once in awhile, an article comes up that reminds me that this is a blog, and this is that article. Huckaby can tell I am wrong all day, but this venom-laced, short sighted tirade from Morgan comes across as pedantic and wrong. It may be his opinon and he is entitled to it, but it really suggests 5 ounces would benefit from stronger editorial supervision. Seriously, what a heap of shit. I look forward to tomorrow’s content and do thank the rest of the team (even if they choose to ridcule me) for their work.
Jeff,
Can you get into detail about what is so “wrong” about it? Rather than just bash me and my writing, can you give me an explanation?
It has nothing to do with defending Morgan. Frankly I would have picked a couple different quotes from the insane interview than the one he picked to drive home the point.
Like how WEC is 10x better than PRIDE ever was. Or he wouldn’t want one single guy from anywhere outside of the UFC (except later he said Fedor).
If people are sick of talking/hearing about Dana’s dumb comments that’s one thing. To say it’s “Dana being Dana” is like saying you shouldn’t bring up grandpa’s racism because he’s been talking about the Jews for so long it’s just old at this point. It’s one thing to think it’s old, it’s another to sweep it under the rug.
“Does it seem to you like Dana realizes this from his comments? No. It’s about calling Dana on his bullshit, something that other sites are scared to do for fear of repercussion from the big, bad UFC. This interview was over the top, moreso than many of his other interviews, and as of yet today, I don’t see anyone but this site calling him on the ridiculous claims he made.”
He isn’t paid to tell the truth. Its not his job. All his actions indicate that he and SpikeTV are completely aware that TUF has problems. Have you forgotten that the UFC switched to the 32 man tournament this year? It wasn’t a big enough change to reverse the slide, but it clearly shows an awareness that the format is growing stale, as does the fact that they’re replacing the show over the next couple years.
Whats more likely? That Dana is stupid and you need to point it out? Or that Dana has very specific reasons for saying the things he says, and that the real issues and problems at hand present tons of opportunities for analysis and commentary?
There are much more interesting things to write about in regards to Dana than the usual promoter bullshit. - Michaelthebox
From where I stand, this seems to be a very interesting topic. There aren’t all these comments and arguements from all sides for no reason.
Agree, disagree, whatever… I got everybody’s attention.
Well done Morgan.
“something that other sites are scared to do for fear of repercussion from the big, bad UFC ”
Oh come off your moral highground. ….every site and blog rips into him.
Don’t blame Dana for being a promoter. He’s doing what any smart promoter does: hype up his product.
Blame the journalists (ie this USA TODAY reporter) for not calling out Dana on his BS.
“From where I stand, this seems to be a very interesting topic. There aren’t all these comments and arguements from all sides for no reason.”
Troll threads, lame arguments, and bashing of Dana/UFC/Pride/various fighters tend to be the biggest threads on Sherdog. Doesn’t make them interesting, just makes them incendiary. If 5oz wants to take the incendiary route, thats their choice. But that doesn’t make the article worthwhile.
Doesn’t make it worthwhile… yet all the while it’s worth your time!!!
“He isn’t paid to tell the truth. Its not his job.”
See this is the fucking problem. I personally couldn’t sleep at night if I were a paid donkey. If money is worth losing your word and it’s value and who you are then you’re a flawed human being. I’m not referring to Dana, I’m saying in general.
It’s like (back to politics) seeing Terry McAuliffe or these people get paid by campaigns to be official donkeys. Who gets paid to be a mouthpiece? If you don’t want to answer the question switch your words around. Don’t lie and just babble nonsense and bullshit.
Why is that acceptable in society? “Yeah he’s full of shit and completely wrong but he’s getting paid so you have to understand.” No, I don’t. That’s selling out as a rational human being and if that’s you fine but don’t act like it’s a good thing. It should be looked down upon.
Sokoudjou was a free agent, remember he was supposedly signed with K-1 and then Elite XC and then at the last minute decided to go with the UFC. For the haters you really should of known that, it was pretty big news and was featured on the main page of all the big mma sites.
From what I understood the UFC received NO fighters from Pride, all of them either were on fight by fight contracts (Like Wanderlei) or else they were owed money by Pride and sat it out because UFC didn’t want to pick up the tab (Barnett, Coleman, Gomi, Arona etc…)
The Pride purchase was the largest mess up that the UFC has done in some time. The only thing they received from the 60 million dollars was the tape footage (as Morgan said being VASTLY under utilized) and maybe the assets such as the rings/entrance ramps and the rights to use the Pride name.
Sakaibara royally raped the Fertitas on the deal and Dana isn’t man enough to say it was a mistake and a waste of money. If Wec is 10 times the product of what Pride was then I expect to see 30 000 + people in the stands for the Pulver + Faber fight and I expect to see video games of the WEC and tonnes of people in Japan & Brazil and across the world tuning in just like they did with Pride…..
I’m not a Dana hater but the guy needs to get some class and act professional, his swearing and stupid talk makes him look very petty and I put him right next to the Gary Shaw type scumbag promoter.
“Sakaibara royally raped the Fertitas on the deal and Dana isn’t man enough to say it was a mistake and a waste of money”
Here is a quote from Dana by Dave Meltzer
“The worst deal ever done in the history of business… [Pride] was totally bankrupt. They were out of money and had nothing. We wanted the company so we went in and bought it. It didn’t matter how fucked it was, how crazy the deal was, we got what we wanted.”
Donk: You say “How depressing. So in Dana’s mind the UFC has all the top fighters and so cannot get any better? Well, that means it’s all down hill from here folks. What a pessimistic, pathetic attitude to take on the MMA landscape. ” - The fact of the matter is Dana has the best fighters, accept it, live with it, that is reality. I reference my comment to the dumbass who wrote this “idiotic” article “Check it out - Scott Smith fighting for the EliteXC title? Hell, he could not even beat Ed Herman and was lucky as shit to even beat Pete Sell and Sell/Herman are barely holding on to even be a member of the UFC let alone compete for a UFC title!!!”
Adam Morgan: You say “It’s about calling Dana on his bullshit, something that other sites are scared to do for fear of repercussion from the big, bad UFC.” - I venture to say that if you were to interview Dana (if he wanted to declare a “mercy for the novices in the press day”) you would not have the cajones to tell him to his face that what he says is bullshit. Pretty easy to write this crap on a computer and print it and not have to face him. Typical for the times we live in. “back door journalism” at its finest.
Adam Morgan: You can throw off on the TUF concept, but look at the fighters that is has produced: Forrest Griffin, Stephan Bonnar, Diego Sanchez, Mike Swick, Kenny Florian, Manny Gamburiyan, “Mike Brown”, Amir from this season, Josh Koscheck, Patrick Cote, Rashad Evans, Chris Leben, Ed Herman (tough, but hanging on by a thread), George stodfoaufdoi or whatever his last name is, etc. and the list goes on and on…..Man, you just messed up on this article - BADDDDDD!!!!!!!!1
Please release your grip off Dana’s nutsack, Brian Pastore. You’re cutting off the circulation.
Luke Thomas: Eat my shorts. I got something for you to own pal. If you want to know what I am referring to, just ask your sister!! If she can’t tell you, then I am sure your mama can….
If your mama cant, I am sure Fujin’s mom can….
Holy crap, where did the idiots that believe Dana White created MMA come from?
Hating Dana White and hating the UFC are two different things.
Damn nice one, you’re a hell of a writer. I can see why you can hold the high ground over the writers of this site.
Fujin - Morgan’s article was a personal attack on White and he knows it!!!
Stop with the lame flame baiting. It’s as transparent as your mother!~!~
And note how almost everyone people mention as TUF guys are from the first season or two. Now they don’t even hold Finales with all the fighters, just two or three interesting ones and the rest get cut.
Hypocritical aren’t you Huckaby?
UFC uber allas!
Dana White for President!
Brian Pastore for Vice President!
That “you must be a liberal” line had me rolling.
i find it hard to believe that an episode from this season was watched less than an episode from the first 4. id like to know where that info came from. while i can agree with some of this article, there are crazy things in there. like them not using the pride library. did you see how much pride footage was used to hype the silva jardine fight?
That’s the thing, they use it to hype the 4 or 5 guys fight highlights and that’s it. They got screwed in the PRIDE deal because the PRIDE guys were shady. Call a spade a spade. UFC got fucked in a bad business deal. That’s part of the reason Dana is so gunshy.
Instead of being honest and saying “yeah, they put one over on us” they said they just wanted the video library (they don’t sell and rarely use) and the fighters they signed they signed because they had nowhere to go, not because of the deal itself.
And yeah, you want no one outside of the UFC. Sure you only have like 3 or 4 of the top 10 heavyweights in the world but instead of admitting it let’s just say Eddie Sanchez is better than Josh Barnett because (enter nonsense).
And saying Fedor hasn’t fought anyone in three years so he’s somehow not better than Nog now? Who has Nog fought? Going 1-1 with Barnett? The same Sylvia that Fedor is about to fight?
Stop buying shilling garbage and be an intelligent adult and judge based on facts. Dana isn’t paying you. People that hate Dana aren’t paying you. Just be fucking rational.
I respect how Dana handles promoting the UFC and was a little put off by this article’s blatant negativity towards him. Some of Dana’s quotes were taken a bit out of context for the simple purpose of hating him. I really like a lot of Adam’s contributions to 5oz, but this one didn’t sit with me too well. Hmmm.
I’ll say this one more time. The UFC is succeeding INSPITE of this guy. Think how great the UFC could really be, if they had a smart level headed guy at the head. Instead, they have a preening prima donna more interested in promoting himself than his fighters.
It will be a sweet sweet day when White is fired.
^^
For those hating on Morgan’s article, just take a look at the 2nd and 3rd quotes he used. There is no way you can dispute the idiocy of those remarks (unless you’re an idiot). It’s all total bullshit and he deserves to be called out on it.
I couldn’t give a rats ass about criticism about Dana. However, I can’t abide lazy analysis justified by the anti-Dana tone. Which characterizes this article and most of the subsequent defenses. This is lazy, lazy, lazy fucking analysis.
Seriously Huckaby, do you actually agree with Kogepan’s statement? How can you defend that?
I’ve said it for a couple of years now.
Dana will not be with the company if/when it hits mainstream. You need a Goodell, Stern, Selig type rep to be a mainstream sport. You need the politician.
Dana is a fucking ladies aerobics instructor (making his “t-shirt maker” comments in this interview that much more funny) that knew rich friends from school.
I’m really not hating, he’s done good for the sport and a great job with the UFC. He’s just not the guy that will get them into the big time. He’s a vulgar, loud-mouthed piece of crap that will happily rip his company’s top stars to make himself look better.
The UFC does well DESPITE him. They could be mainstream and could have a main network deal but he stops that by being him. Not because of negotiating the right deal but multiple people have come out saying they refuse to even talk to the guy. He’s just him. The UFC won’t be on ABC primetime when he’s in charge. He’ll be long gone when the top company of our favorite sport finally hits the big time.
He’s no business man and as far as I know has no college degree in any form of the art. He’s an uneducated jackass with a piggybank and I’d happily say it to his face.
Dana White is running MMA into the ground…..paying overrated/past their prime fighters bucko bucks and then the actual talent makes peanuts compared to these clowns. The only legit champions making somewhat legit money are Rampage, Penn and Pierre. I’m sure A. Silva doesn’t make what they make, and the HW division is in shambles right now due to lack of talent. And people think TUF fighters will wind up being the next big thing…please, 95% of them at best are low level dark match fighters…maybe the remaining 5% will be come gate keepers to future title bouts…Having Forrest fight Rampage is a disgrace…Forrest gets beat by Jardine, who just lost to Wandy, yet he’s fighting Rampage due to the TUF nonsense. Pathetic. Oh and Dana said WEC is more then Pride ever was…hahahaha, what sherm is he smoking on…Hell the current Dreams talent pool is deeper then WEC and some divisions of UFC. All and all, UFC isn’t a bad product, but Dana is an idiot that’s eventually going to run it back into the ground as other organizations come up. And no, i’m not referencing Elite w/ Kimbo headlining a primetime card….Kimbo will get slaughtered soon enough, as they will eventually be forced to feed him to a real mma fighter.
From Brian Pastore - Adam Morgan: You can throw off on the TUF concept, but look at the fighters that is has produced: Forrest Griffin, Stephan Bonnar, Diego Sanchez, Mike Swick, Kenny Florian, Manny Gamburiyan, “Mike Brown”, Amir from this season, Josh Koscheck, Patrick Cote, Rashad Evans, Chris Leben, Ed Herman (tough, but hanging on by a thread), George stodfoaufdoi or whatever his last name is, etc. and the list goes on and on…..Man, you just messed up on this article - BADDDDDD!!!!!!
You do realize that TUF didn’t develop any of the fighters and pretty much gave all of those fighters exposure back when MMA wasn’t nearly as popular and wasn’t seen on tv ever.
Times have changed my good man, Elite XC, IFL, anything on HDNET their is many more avenues for fighters to get noticed.
TUF had quality fighters in the first few seasons but who have they showcased in the last 3-4 seasons?? IMO Kimbo, Gina Carano, Cung Le, Ben Rothwell (list goes on) all have way more exposure and way more attraction then any of the jobbers on the last several TUF.
Dana White isn’t running MMA into the ground, he has done alot of good things for the sport. He just isn’t getting the full potential out of it, for example getting the best product on network TV. For him to say that there are no fighters he wants to sign right now, outside of Fedor is just stupid. Do I fully expect him to say that there is no one out there who can beat UFCs Champions, yeah, he would be a terrible leader of that organization if he said otherwise. The HW and LW divisions of UFC are not stacked with the best in the world right now, and I would hope that he is looking to bring the best challenges in for his fighters, and can acknowledge that there is still talent out there.
I don’t understand all of the TUF hate out there. Forrest earned a shot by beating a top fighter in Shogun (I still think he should have had to win at least one more top level fight, but who else would you give the shot to right now). With the exception of the one season, it is not like these guys are given title shots right out of the show, they have to earn what they get. The TUF guys that are still around are there because they are good enough to compete at a high level or else they are gone, see Tommy Speer, Brad Imes, and alot of others who are fighting elsewhere these days. If these guys aren’t any good they are gone, UFC is sink or swim, especially these days as they have started cutting people quicker.
Journalists should be a little more unbiased. I’m not talking about your dislike for Dana White (although it’s obvious) but rather about your “PRIDE fanboy worship”
MMA attracts very large crowds in Japan as opposed to the U.S. This doesn’t mean that PRIDE was any better than the UFC.
But by far the worst thing you did was insult the fans. You actually called the fans “assholes”. You’re probably right but as a journalist and ambassador for the sport, you should concentrate on the positives and educating people and leave the sophomoric attitudes to the “I’ve been a fan of MMA longer so I know more, PRIDE rules, UFC sucks” internet forum “warriors”
I have only one beef with any of the retorts to White’s statements–comparison of numbers between Japanese attendance and American attendance. People just need to stop doing that. The markets are just too different in that respect to be able to compare numbers fairly. I mean, really, does anyone really believe PRIDE could sell out a 50,000 seat stadium in America, even in its heyday?
Huckaby says: “I’m really not hating.”
“He’s no business man and as far as I know has no college degree in any form of the art. He’s an uneducated jackass with a piggybank and I’d happily say it to his face.”
Are you kidding me? That’s the definition of hating, liar. Dana White may be “no business man”, but you are certainly no journalist. And I’d happily say that to your face. Your bias is revolting.
Adam Morgan - You created a shit storm by all definitions with this article….Nice job….
Kogepan - Sure, fire Dana White. If that happens, you would be wishing the guy was back.. Everyone likes to pile on the front runner these days…
When Dana talked about getting people exposed to MMA he wasnt talking about them getting exposed to MMA via PPV. He didnt say he didnt want a TV deal. He wants a TV deal to get people into MMA. He simply downplayed the importance of such a deal.
Nice comment on #57 Huckaby *high five*. You won’t find many people being that vocal about Dana that’s for sure.
Let’s have a look at MMAWEEKLY’s top ten and see where the top guys currently are:
Featherweight: 8/10 outside (including KID would make it 9/10)
Lightweight: 7/10 outside (explains why BJ has no motivation)
WW: 1/10 outside
Middleweight: 4/10 outside. But there are some great fighters hot on the heels like Lindland, Akiyama, Manhoef and i’m really impressed with Jacare lately.
LHW: 1/10 outside, but IMO Arona should be in there too.
HW: 7/10 are outside.
So clearly not all are in ZUFFA controlled companies, and if you won’t co-promote or share then this is a big fragmentation of talent. But the HW division should be Dana’s greatest shame, when you loose Arlovski and Couture due to Dana’s bad handling of them, can’t sign Barnett and Fedor due to poor contracts and horrendus insults, Alex because Dana dosn’t care, Cop because he dosn’t enjoy it there (IMO) and Sylvia because there isn’t anyone for him to fight; then your really just an obstical to sucess within the company.
Huckaby is right, you need a politician at the top and not an asshole that alienates and divides. I mean look at the divide here. But if the rest of the landscape can cooperate then they can take on this 200kg gorilla, and if the UFC get’s in trouble down the road (as this is a very young sport), then it won’t have any friends to help it out. This is a sport, not an organisation, Dana’s isolation will only hurt the UFC in the end.
The writer is a moron. I have been two three UFC events. And sat in lowest $ seat and the second $ seat, and everyone was great. I can’t even recall any profanity on display. I am sure there was, but nothing that stands out.
I would say that the WEC is 1,000,000 times better than Pride…..it still exists. I was a big Pride and UFC fan, but Pride was a horribly run organization. The only thing I can fault Dana with is investing in a dying company.
Trsigley - I would say that the WEC is 1,000,000 times better than Pride…..it still exists. I was a big Pride and UFC fan, but Pride was a horribly run organization. The only thing I can fault Dana with is investing in a dying company.
Umm correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the WEC a dying organization that the UFC purchased around the same time as they purchased Pride?
The only reason WEC exists and Pride doesn’t is because of Dana White and the UFC choosing so. If the UFC wanted they could have a Pride show though they choose not to.
Adam Morgan is a moron. If it wasnt for Dana, Frank, and Lorenzo, we wouldn’t have a sport to watch and enjoy. Adam Moron wouldnt have a reason to blog. What would you rather have, what you got right now or Fatty Shaw and his cronies running that bullshit company of theirs. If watching Kimbo throw 2 phantom punches at Bo Cantrell is the alternative, then I’d rather watch my finger nails grow. Who are these idiots(i.e. Adam Morgan, Kevin Iole…) and where do they get off acting like they are the leading authority on all things MMA. I stand by Dana White 100%. Some of the things he says maybe a little off base, but what would you rather Dana say…”my fighters arent as good as everyone else’s fighters”. The way I see it is like this. If I’m the best college football player in the country, I’m not going to choose the AFL or some semi-pro league, no I’m going with the NFL. Bottom line is this, If you are great and you want to fight the best you go to the UFC. If you dont then you go to EXC with Fatty Shaw where he will pay you to take phantom punches from thugged out, broken english speaking tomato can with a Campbell’s Soup label. Moron. Where is the outrage?
I don’t think Adam has been following sports very long.
Like any of you douchebags have more of a clue about the sport than Morgan does.
Pastore = Dana white’s pole polisher, ( and wannabe writer for Five Ounces).
Anyone know how to get in touch with Fatty Shaw. I’d love to direct all of this sentiment and negativity about Kimbo getting the main event instead of the title fight that preceeds it, towards Fatty…
The name “Adam” (i.e. Lightfield; Morgan, etc.) according to Webster’s dictionary = 1) Liberal environmental wacko’s that do nothing except criticize people who are financially in a better taxbracket than they are and who are more intellectually smarter than they are. They even do this when they know nothing about the subjects they write or comment on. 2) also referred to as “ignorant retarded morons” “idiots” “backseat drivers” “fat ugly couch potatoes”
Lightfield, I got your polished pole right here pal!!!
Lightfield - stay off the “firewater”
I love how everyone chooses to ignore the fact that I did praise Dana for what he’s done for the sport. It conveniently makes it much easier to take a dump on me.
Morgan, any person that reads this article knows that you are so jealous of and resent Dana White because he is “successful” and doesn’t take shit from people like you. Your tone is so slanted to the negative that it negates any positive fact that you mentioned. It is a typical mainstream media drive by left leaning slant peice. So, take your beating like a man…
Morgan - little sensitive today aren’t we sweetheart?
Pastore,
Your comments lost all credibility after you clearly missed the point in comments #3 and #5.
Morgan,
Your instructors in college that taught you how to write should all have their tenure revoked after you wrote this article for this website…You clearly are a typical writer who never participated in sports of any kind when they went to grade school and probably got the shit kicked out ya and stuffed in your locker ass first during recess…
Adam jumps the shark May 30th, 2008.
Did you have to rip on Dana to remain on this website?
“He’s no business man and as far as I know has no college degree in any form of the art. He’s an uneducated jackass with a piggybank and I’d happily say it to his face.”
I’m with Phil L. on this one.
Congratulations, Huckaby. I won’t be wasting my time on any op-ed article you write for this website.
Dana is the best and smartest promoter in the sport. He is out to beat other promoters and push the UFC forward. I can care less if other promotions ever get as big as the UFC. Most major pro sports have 1 major league such as football, baseball, pro wrestling and kick boxing (k-1). As far as Pride goes it was the purchase of PRIDE that gave him the opportunity to get most of the top talent with the exception for Fedor and Josh. If Dana would have let someone else buy Pride he wouldn’t have been able to get Wandy, Nak, Shogun, Sok, Nog, Fihlo, Herring, Werdum, etc…Now the library is a minor bonus but it’s nice to see footage of the pride fighters to help hype the fights. The real bonus the UFC got by buying Pride was killing off their top rival in the sport. Most wished they would have kept the Pride brand alive but MMA in Japan is different it’s more like pro wrestling with shoot matches. UFC would have done poorly if they would have kept the pride brand alive and promoted in Japan. The WEC maybe has been a better buy b/c they can use this show to showcase LW fighters and not have the hassle of doing events in Japan. As of right now the WEC is the 3rd best MMA show in the North America with strike force being 2nd. As great as was Pride they were never able to crack the American market and the WEC has the chance to be bigger then Pride ever was in America.
What a pathetic attempt at critical journalism. Most of its already been covered as to how one-sided this pretend expose really is but let’s just hashover some of the more delusional hack comments over one more time for the uninformed.
1) Pride was collapsing, hemorrhaging dollars, those ‘giant’ Japanese gates couldn’t pay the fighters what the UFC boys were getting and their product was becoming more and more watered down and the handwriting was on the walls… The Japanese promoters might have been able to sell a doughnut fighter vs. a great fighter to 30,000+ but they couldn’t market themselves out of a paper bag in the good ole’ USA. Dana White consolidated and created a near monopoly…. good for him if he could do it… he pays ‘pretty good to good”, the fighters get big time exposure and endorsement potential and the if anybody thinks affliction is staying in the game…think again… They did 8 million in sales last year….8 million!!!!! and they are the deep pockets to take on UFC…. that is laughable. In the end, Dana will have a T shirt, Fedor is my Bitch and Tito is his!
2) The WEC… well, with fights like Faber-Pulver and with fighters like Torres….that IS a superior card in quailty to anything except the very best of the UFC events… I am not hating on the Affliction card… not at all, in fact I cannot wait to see Fedor take on Sylvia but otherwise it’s a bunch of UFC cast-offs and Fedor and his bro. The UFC heavyweights are admittedly weak right now but everything goes in cycles and Lesnar, Carwin and a whole new crop of Heavies are what Dana White has brewing and they WILL take down anything Affliction has to offer in 18 months or less. Dana is smart and playing to the future here. Some of those guys will be back for one or wto fight contracts once his new boys have been properly seasoned.
3) Other organizations - Again, white is taking a brilliant Theo Epstein, baseball approach to things… Home grow plenty of your own guys in the draft (TUF), you can let them beat each other up, refine their skills, pay ‘em cheap and some will make a name for themselves and then you bring in seasoned outside vets (Herring, Horn, Eastmen, Coleman, et) for a beat down until they are ready for the really big shows. Occasionally cherry pick a real good outside ‘up and commer’ (Quiton Jackson, maybe a Chung Le type at some point) and you got an unbeatable product and natural feeders.
4) Atmosphere - I see more stars at a 12X per year UFC pay per view than anything but a De la Hoya or Mayweather fights….enough said…when Hollywood is in…the masses WILL follow! Pick on the crowds…and the NY Jets “Show us your T$#@! stadium section chants are classy? What a moronic point!
5) TUF - They WILL refine it…they did this season a bit….and I am sure they will keep throwing in new wrinkles… but does anybody doubt the value of seeing how damn cool, funny and human both Jackson and Griffin are? These two are endorsement superstars waiting to happen and their fight will be a HUGE PPV event. Unless Griffin is pummeled hard and fast, they will likely face off again someday. Count me in the group who thought Bonnar won the first fight but equally enjoyed Griffin’s vibe, but now he is 100% the real deal. 3 years through the system and a shot at the belt…. that the TUF formula in action…. TUF may not survive in its current format past a few more years but does anybody think the Dana doesn’t already have a few more new shows in the cooker?
In conclusion…. I don’t like monopolies, they squelch productivity and initiative, but Dana and Zuffa turned around a dead franchise and deserve the fruits of their labor for a while, before a niche upstart starts to chip away. In th,e meantime, MMA is flourishing so why all the venom? He’s 1,000,000 times better than Boxing’s Donkey King and Bob Arum has to offer. They have unified belts. They are still fighting legislative battles all over the US… why you gotta bring a brotha down?
Cant we all just get along?
So let me get this straight Pastore. You are intellectually superior, because you can rip off Rush Limbaugh rants and are supossedly rich? impressive!
clearly your genius is beyond any of us, especially with your creative use of a dictionary.
Dan Henderson, Heith Herring