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Pain Poll: The Staff of 5 Oz. Breaks Down EliteXC on CBS

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We’re here once again with another exciting weekend of mixed martial arts action starting with EliteXC: Primetime on CBS. This will be a historic event for the sport of MMA and we’re more than happy to give you our analysis and predictions of the fights. Let’s do it..

Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson

Paul Balsom: Thompson has won a whopping two of his last eight fights, one of those victories coming against Don Frye. Now I’m no statistician, but that’s not even a good percentage for baseball at-bats. Kimbo will punch Thompson many times in the face. Though Kimbo is no top-tier mixed martial artist, I’m going to go ahead and pick Kimbo to win with a KO in the first round. It’s a little sad that the MMA network debut main event is a fight that requires only this much breaking down.

Michael Huckaby: Thompson is going to “tard charge” and try to get it to the ground immediately. He’ll feel this is a big surprise but it’s fairly obvious that’s what is going to happen. So instead of this fight simply being “Thompson punched in face, Thompson falls” it might actually come down to whether that running takedown works or not. Even if it does Kimbo should be good enough to get up at this point. The only problem with going against Thompson is he seems to win when he’s not supposed to. Still not going to pick him. Winner: Kimbo Slice, TKO, Rd1

Adam Morgan: There’s no two ways about this fight. Thompson is being set up to be Kimbo’s next victory. With Kimbo’s punching power and Thompson’s glass chin and tendency to run straight across the cage at his opponents, this one feels like a no-brainer. However, Thompson has had tough fights and beaten somewhat decent competition so I don’t expect him to be a complete pushover like Cantrell and Abbott were. I expect for Kimbo to actually have a somewhat legitimate test here even if it only lasts a couple minutes into the first round. Ultimately though, Kimbo knocks Thompson out. Kimbo Slice via TKO, round one.

Gary Herman: Thompson has one job on Saturday night – make Kimbo look good. I just hope he doesn’t knock himself out walking to the cage. Kimbo Slice by first round KO.

Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith (EliteXC MW Title Fight)

Paul Balsom: Scott Smith has shown heavy hands in his more recent fights in the UFC and his debut in EliteXC. However, not many have heavier hands than Lawler. The champ will pick apart Smith some solid striking and either knock him out straight off his feet, or Smith will end up on his back like Ninja Rua and get brutalize in that way. Robbie Lawler via KO in round two.

Michael Huckaby: It’s not hidden secret that I have a bit of a man crush on Scott Smith but he’s completely overmatched here. He does have a puncher’s chance, in fact a good punchers chance, but still not enough of one to warrant a pick. Lawler has been on a roll flirting with that #9 or #10 spot in the middleweight division and he’s only 26 years old. And let’s be honest, with fairly similar games I’ll take the guy that beat Frank Trigg over the guy lost to Ed Herman. I’m sorry Scott, please don’t hate me. Winner: Robbie Lawler, TKO, Rd3

Adam Morgan: This could end up being the fight of the night and I love the matchmaking that EliteXC’s done here. Smith may not be one of the best middleweights in the world but he loves to stand and bang and if he catches you with his power, you’re going out. Lawler likes to stand and bang as well but I feel he has the better training camp, the more well-rounded game, and just as much KO power as Smith does. Lawler might be the best fighter on EliteXC’s entire roster and I think he overwhelms Smith in this bout. Robbie Lawler via TKO, round two.

Gary Herman: Should be a great TV fight. Both guys will look to bang it out, and both guys have enough skills where it won’t look like a carnival act. Smith is a somewhat recognizable fighter from his UFC days, and Lawler is one of the guys EliteXC wants to build around. Lawler looked great in defeating Ninja Rua, Frank Trigg, and now Scott Smith. Robbie Lawler by second round TKO.

Joey Villasenor vs. Phil Baroni

Paul Balsom: Baroni has lost two of his last six. He is obviously in desperate need of a win. He’s been training hard, according to some interviews of his I’ve seen, and he’s been hard-sparring for almost 5 weeks. Smokin’ Joe has been KO’d by two opponents with Baroni’s same style in recent past, and I think he may succumb to Baroni’s early violent intentions and heavy hands in this one. Baroni via KO in early round two.

Michael Huckaby: Following the Hose fight I had the “pleasure” of having to ask Baroni’s agent Ken Pavia a couple of questions regarding his conditioning. Obviously Ken didn’t think it was that big of a deal but it’s his job not to think so. This is a more interesting fight than you’d immediately think. If Villasenor fails at a takedown or two (a big if) he’s wide open to a Baroni onslaught. Sure, a 90 second onslaught before he passes out from exhaustion, but an onslaught none the less. I’ve just convinced myself to do the unthinkable. I’m taking Phil Baroni only because Villasenor has shown such poor standup that if he can’t get this immediately down the first four minutes of this fight won’t work for him. Is this pick wrong? Probably. Once the first round ends I’ll give Villasenor a 90% chance to win but I’m going to be cute. Winner: Phil Baroni, TKO, Rd1

Adam Morgan: This is a tough one to call. Villasenor is coming off a victory over Ryan Jensen when Jensen stepped in on extremely short notice, knocking him out in the first. But he hasn’t shown the killer instinct and technical standup that I think it will take to beat a guy like Baroni. Sure, Baroni has fallen on hard times but he is tough as nails, hits like a ton of bricks, and has decent wrestling. An injury-free Baroni with at least halfway decent cardio can take a fighter like Villasenor, especially if Villasenor’s strategy is to stand the entire time. Phil Baroni via TKO, round two.

Gary Herman: Why does Phil Baroni keep getting big fights? He hasn’t won a real fight in over two years (Yuki Kondo in April 2006). He didn’t look all that good against Frank Shamrock or Kala Hose. He did show a lot of guts though. But, at the end of the day, the goal for EliteXC on this night is to entertain the crowd as opposed to featuring the most skilled fighters. If nothing else (and there may be nothing else) – Baroni can do that. On the other hand, Villasenor holds recent wins over David Loiseau and Ryan Jensen. He’ll also come to the fight well prepared. In another stand-up battle, Villasenor takes it. Joey Villasenor by TKO in round one.

Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young

Paul Balsom: Though tons of women fighters in MMA aren’t the biggest fans of Gina Carano, she really will do tons for women in MMA, especially with all the exposure from American Gladiators. I think Kaitlin Young has a legitimate chance to beat Carano in this one. Carano has even mentioned in interviews that she has only trained for a few weeks for this fight because season two of Gladiators just wrapped. The “face of female MMA” definitely has to pull this one out not only for her own career, but to help the females of the sport rise collectively in status. I think Carano will win this one via unanimous decision.

Michael Huckaby: I have to think Young will use this national stage to prove she can outstrike Carano. I could be completely wrong but that’s what my head is telling me. I also think with EXC’s future on the line and putting the entire show on the shoulders of Kimbo and Gina that they know who they can beat. This will be rather plodding as Gina isn’t going to destroy her or anything but simply get the better of it. Winner: Gina Carano, decision

Adam Morgan: This could also be a fight of the night candidate, or at least the fight that everyone is talking about coming out of the event. Carano is a great Thai boxer with wins in Thailand, which is a huge deal, and is not afraid of the fight. But as of late she’s admitted as much that her stint on American Gladiators has impeded her time to train and prepare for this fight. She seems too involved in wanting to be the pretty face instead of the great fighter. Young’s had a ten week training camp with some of the world’s best fighters and seems focused on nothing but the fight. Carano might be the better Thai boxer but Young’s overall game is better, specifically her grappling and I think she spoils Gina’s party on primetime television. Kaitlin Young via split decision.

Gary Herman: I hope Carano has enough time to prepare for the fight. She’s definitely stretched herself thin by cutting down her training camp. That may not be the smartest thing to do against Kaitlin Young. The goal of this fight is to bring women’s MMA to the forefront and educate the new fans that women can actually get in there and throw down – without WWE’s gimmicks of jello, pudding, lingerie, etc.. Young will be be the better all-around fighter while Carano should have be better standing. This is a tough fight to pick, but I’m going to go with the upset here – Young’s ground skills will neutralize Carano. Young by unanimous decision.

Jon Murphy vs. Brett Rogers

Paul Balsom: Big guys. Punching. Lots of punching. Lots of hair. Rogers via KO in round one.

Michael Huckaby: This is a true tossup fight for me. Rogers has the striking, Murphy the grappling, and the big problem is I have NO IDEA how good Rogers is with his takedown defense. That will be the fight. If Brett Rogers can keep this standing he’ll destroy Murphy in the first round. If he gets into a grappling contest this will be a complete tossup with Murphy getting a late sub or decision. I’m really interested in seeing more of Rogers (and not just because I picked him in the MMA mock draft!) and I have to take him here. Winner: Brett Rogers, TKO, Rd1

Adam Morgan: The oddsmakers like Brett Rogers in this fight but I have to disagree. Before he beat James Thompson, Rogers was beating up on nobodies in the local circuits. Murphy, on the other hand, has won and and also been defeated, bounced back from adversity, fought the tougher fights, and is one of the better heavyweight prospects in all of MMA. I don’t expect the fight to hit the floor because both guys like to bang and have power there, but if it does I think Murphy has the clear-cut advantage there. The striking is a toss-up. Whoever lands the big bomb first is going to take this one but I think Murphy has the better gas tank and the better overall game. If he uses his entire game against Rogers, it may be a long night (or short one) for “The Grim.” Jon Murphy via TKO, round two.

Gary Herman: Rogers’ best chance here is with the knockout. Murphy has a better all-around game. Either way, the fight will be very entertaining, but I have to say that this is a fight that shows what’s wrong with this card to a MMA fan. Why is Rogers fighting on the undercard when he just ripped through the guy (Thompson) in the main event? Because EliteXC is trying to build Kimbo to be a superstar and not because Thompson deserves the shot. It’s fine to want to build Kimbo slowly, but EliteXC should stop trying to convince us he’s a true MMA stud until they are willing to match Kimbo with some real competition. Back to the fight – it’s a close call, but I’ll take Rogers power over Murphy’s skills. Rogers by second round TKO.

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14 Responses to “Pain Poll: The Staff of 5 Oz. Breaks Down EliteXC on CBS”
  1. FJ says:

    kimbo Rd 1 KO
    Lawler Rd 2 KO (fight of the night)
    Villasenor Rd 3 KO
    Gina carano (but who cares?)
    Rogers KO Rd 2

  2. Kogepan says:

    Kimbo Gogoplata R3
    Lawler Brutal KO R2
    Villansenor Decision
    Gina, by stunning good looks R3
    Rogers KO R1

  3. Chabb says:

    you know i am getting kind of tired of all the hate Kimbo gets . look i have been watching mma sense the dark ages….. i understand that he is new and getting WAYYYYY TO much exposure…but shit look at brock lesnar he came into the ufc got sub. by Mir and is not going to get knocked out by herring….. kimbo is taking it slow because he needs too… if Bas thought he was ready for top tier fighters he would be fighting them… now does kimbo deserve to be the main event… no…. but will it be entertaining for people who dont understand what jiu jitsu is ? absolutely…. elite xc could careless about hardcore fans like us…its all about the new fans that need to be brought to the sport …..and unfortuenatly a grappling match will not be impressive to any one but us

  4. MMA SKOOL™ says:

    Bas isn’t who’s keeping Kimbo from fighting better opponents.

  5. Jaeger says:

    #3 you couldn’t be more correct. I am particularly annoyed by what is normally level headed mma media taking a big steaming crap on this card.

    Hell, I love Gil , Jake and EXC’s more technical fighters. But first time viewers need to be sold.

    Let’s not pretend Forrest vs. Bonner was some technical display of great mixed martial arts style. Need I remind the very people bitching about this card that the most important fight in MMA history ( forrest v. bonner) was a technical nightmare. Both fighters showing little to no skill what so ever?? But it was a damn good fight, and very entertaining fight. It was a fight that helped to save a company that was losing money hand over fist. That’s right, the UFC was losing tons of cash. TUF and forrest v bonner saved the whole company. It wasn’t Chuck, it wasn’t Randy, BJ, Matt Hughes, but two very green fighters and a tv show that saved the company.

    But as cynical as everyone is we want to rewrite history, we’re to smart for a card that is less than the best technical fighters on earth. Elite has a few fighters that are already marketed, I’d be calling EXC the fool had they NOT marketed their biggest mainstream names and took full advantage of it to better the MMA landscape for ALL MMA FIGHTERS.

    So if things go well for EXC, and next feb I’m watching Jake Shields fight Aoki in and epic battle, or I’m watching BJ vs. GSP II live from Hawaii on FOX it’ll be thanks to Gary Shaw, Kimbo, Thompson, and all the other fighters that are taking a world of crap for taking advantage of the opportunity provided to them.

  6. Chabb says:

    MMA skool yes it is, Bas even said it himself … ” if you are hating on kimbo for the talent pool hes fighting you need to hate me, it is my choice who he fights” that was on Inside mma a few weeks ago

  7. Adam Morgan says Kimbo is going to win. In this case, put your life savings on Thompson….

  8. Bic says:

    Well then Bas is an idiot. Who cares if he has his ground game tested. Who cares is exactly it but to compare this fight to Griffen Bonnar, which they were two equal guys who were up and coming into the UFC. Thompson has a record of getting KTFO. What they are doing is lining these guys up making the fight FIXED. Thats the problem, look at Lawler and Scott, Scotts going to get beat more than likely but Scott stands a good chance at winning. Thompson is going to get KO’d in the first round, period there is almost no question in anyones mind. So not only are they bringing in a whole new group of fans here by having these fights, they are showing that the sport can be barbaric. Its an all standing deal and people get to see K0 after K0 and they say man this looks dangerous and barbaric. You get it? Its not good promoting I will not thank Shaw for doing this when the UFC could have taken the CBS deal and put on a great card for the fans without having it fixed.

  9. bjjdenver says:

    “Tard charge”!!! lolololololololol!!!!!!!!!! I think I peed a little, lol!

    Kimbo–rd. 1 KO…Kimbo has shown us little besides KOs and Thompson has shown little recently besides getting KOd.

    Lawler-rd 2 KO…Similar striking, but Lawler defends himself and Smith tends to take shots. You can’t take shots from Lawler.

    Gina-Dec…If this was in a parking lot, i would probably be yelling for someone’s clothing to get torn off. I’m a degenerate.

    Joey–3rd sub…I just think Joey has more tools, but I’ll be rooting for the NYBA.

    As a form of protest, I will be visiting Reality kings sites all weekend!

  10. Chabb says:

    #8….. what the hell do you think boxing is? 2 guys standing infront of eachother brawling… your argument holds no weight here. everything is barbaric…..it doenst matter what the old men at cbs think…. people love violence and once they see kimbo knock some HUGEE Crazy looking fool out they wil love mma…. what made tyson so entertaining? knocking out big dudes…. as far as the casual mma fan knows james thompson could be the world heavy weight champ but we know otherwise…but as i said before this event is not for us it is for the new fans that love kos

  11. Rich S. says:

    i’m actually VERY suprised that 3 out of 4 picked Baroni to win..
    Both of these guys have questionable chins.. but.. Smokin’ Joey has the better of the stand-up and the ground game.. and aside from that, Baroni has more of a tendency to gas…

    I’d say Villasenor could wrestle him out.. or Knock him out.. as long as he doesn’t get too comfortable in taking shots from Baroni.. there’s no reason why Smokin’ Joey shouldn’t be the victor..

  12. Mike Wolfe says:

    MMA finally hits a major network and this is the card!? Kimbo Slice? Phil Baroni? It’s like knowing that your only chance to get lucky will result in an STD.

  13. Nate says:

    bjjdenver = hilarious. I agree on all points.

    I am going to watch the fight live, cant wait.

  14. jjdnb says:

    the winner of kimbo-thompson should get to F the winner of carano-young…live on tv…reality kings style!

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