Comments on: Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson could prove to be very educational http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:46:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Marcusrab http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30602 Marcusrab Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:21:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30602 Hmm.. Im reading alot of fanfare for Kimbo slice on this "fight".. Now.. first off.. how many times have you *legitimately* seen a fight stopped while a fighter was on his feet after no knockdowns, and no close calls.. James Thompson.. though wobbled, was never saved by the bell, close to submission or unable to defend himself.. he had a cauliflower ear, that slightly popped.. and, if you look closely.. it didn't even pop, it was so bulbous that it when hit ripped the bottom of the earlobe and produced blood.. shady premature stoppage? Without a doubt. Ive watched every UFC from the beginning, when Royce Gracie had to fight a 500 pound monster to win the tournament, when you had to fight 2.. 3.. 4 times a night to win a $50,000 prize.. Kimbo is being paid 6 figures for stepping in a ring with what is obviously a setup fight.. Kimbo is a guy who CBS banked "their" new sports franchise on.. now.. if Kimbo slice loses.. then what? Their Goliath has fallen and they have to then develop, like UFC has, new talent that is marketable. Kimbo slice won that fight not because he has raw talent, but because the opponent he went up again was the perfect combination of size and reputation, you cant say he was a newbie, because he had fought and won overseas, though he came off a devastating knockout from a smaller less powerful opponent... And FYI.. his previous opponent, Tank Abbot.. used to do the same thing to people that he is currentley doing.. the UFC would put him in there with lambs so he could slaughter them.. but.. if anyone remembers.. when they put him in there with someone with with a decent amount of skill.. Pedro Rizzo.. Tank all but quit.. this is what happens.. you hype a guy by placing fall guys in their way but when they are matched with their equal.. yea.. not so much luck. Before you start flaming that im some UFC fanboy or whatever, realize I couldn't care whooooo is hosting the fight.. just so it is made fair and the hype that subsequently surrounds it is tell-tale to the actual event.. which what im seeing, has not been.. there is nothing "sporty" about the way this event ended.. the referee might has well been Leslie Moonves.. cause obviously Kimbo *had* to win.. and when a marginal opportunity to stop a fight that was actually beginning to look winnable for James Thompson.. the ref stepped in.. like I said.. just shady. Marcus Hmm.. Im reading alot of fanfare for Kimbo slice on this “fight”.. Now.. first off.. how many times have you *legitimately* seen a fight stopped while a fighter was on his feet after no knockdowns, and no close calls.. James Thompson.. though wobbled, was never saved by the bell, close to submission or unable to defend himself.. he had a cauliflower ear, that slightly popped.. and, if you look closely.. it didn’t even pop, it was so bulbous that it when hit ripped the bottom of the earlobe and produced blood.. shady premature stoppage? Without a doubt.

Ive watched every UFC from the beginning, when Royce Gracie had to fight a 500 pound monster to win the tournament, when you had to fight 2.. 3.. 4 times a night to win a $50,000 prize.. Kimbo is being paid 6 figures for stepping in a ring with what is obviously a setup fight.. Kimbo is a guy who CBS banked “their” new sports franchise on.. now.. if Kimbo slice loses.. then what? Their Goliath has fallen and they have to then develop, like UFC has, new talent that is marketable.

Kimbo slice won that fight not because he has raw talent, but because the opponent he went up again was the perfect combination of size and reputation, you cant say he was a newbie, because he had fought and won overseas, though he came off a devastating knockout from a smaller less powerful opponent…

And FYI.. his previous opponent, Tank Abbot.. used to do the same thing to people that he is currentley doing.. the UFC would put him in there with lambs so he could slaughter them.. but.. if anyone remembers.. when they put him in there with someone with with a decent amount of skill.. Pedro Rizzo.. Tank all but quit.. this is what happens.. you hype a guy by placing fall guys in their way but when they are matched with their equal.. yea.. not so much luck.

Before you start flaming that im some UFC fanboy or whatever, realize I couldn’t care whooooo is hosting the fight.. just so it is made fair and the hype that subsequently surrounds it is tell-tale to the actual event.. which what im seeing, has not been.. there is nothing “sporty” about the way this event ended.. the referee might has well been Leslie Moonves.. cause obviously Kimbo *had* to win.. and when a marginal opportunity to stop a fight that was actually beginning to look winnable for James Thompson.. the ref stepped in.. like I said.. just shady.

Marcus

]]> By: Jean Paul http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30576 Jean Paul Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:14:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30576 I’ve been watching MMA events for a long time and after last fight of Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson live on CBS, it’s very clear - eventhough that I am a great fan of Kimbo and love the way we throw punches against his opponents - that if you paid a little of attention on what happened in this fight, certainly, after the referee stoppage you would be asking yourself: What a f**k did happen??? Was the referee stoppage fair? Was it...maybe...just a maneuver to help Kimbo, what also would allow CBS and the event organizers to make MMA events more and more popular on TV, no matter what they need to do in order to keep making their millions?! In my opinion, you do not need to be a Mix Martial Arts Specialist to know that the decision/result of this fight, had clearly a political context in order to support and preserve all the media/organizers efforts and investments that were done to promote this MMA event on an open tv channel, using Kimbo Slice as the event anchor. I love the show, but let’s be real…did Kimbo Slice really knocked out James Thompson or after getting his ass kicked by Thompson he got a “little help” from the referee? You tell me. I’ve been watching MMA events for a long time and after last fight of Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson live on CBS, it’s very clear - eventhough that I am a great fan of Kimbo and love the way we throw punches against his opponents - that if you paid a little of attention on what happened in this fight, certainly, after the referee stoppage you would be asking yourself:
What a f**k did happen??? Was the referee stoppage fair?
Was it…maybe…just a maneuver to help Kimbo, what also would allow CBS and the event organizers to make MMA events more and more popular on TV, no matter what they need to do in order to keep making their millions?!
In my opinion, you do not need to be a Mix Martial Arts Specialist to know that the decision/result of this fight, had clearly a political context in order to support and preserve all the media/organizers efforts and investments that were done to promote this MMA event on an open tv channel, using Kimbo Slice as the event anchor.
I love the show, but let’s be real…did Kimbo Slice really knocked out James Thompson or after getting his ass kicked by Thompson he got a “little help” from the referee?
You tell me.

]]> By: Jean Paul http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30575 Jean Paul Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:04:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30575 I've been watching MMA events for a long time and after last fight of Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson live on CBS, it's very clear - eventhough that I am a great fan of Kimbo and love the way we throw punches against his opponents - that if you paid a little of attention on what happen in this fight certainly after the referee stoppage you would be asking yourself: What a f**k did happen??? Was the referee stoppage fair? Was it, maybe, just a maneuver to help Kimbo and specially allowing CBS and the event organizers in making MMA events more and more popular on TV no matter what they need to do in order to make their millions?! In my opinion, you do not need to be a Mix Martial Arts Specialist to know that the decision/result of this fight, had clearly a political context in order to support and preserve all the media/organizers efforts and investments that were done to promote this MMA event on an open tv channel, using Kimbo Slice as the event anchor. I love the show, but let's be real...did Kimbo won or got his ass kicked? Did he get a "little help" of the referee? You tell me. I’ve been watching MMA events for a long time and after last fight of Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson live on CBS, it’s very clear - eventhough that I am a great fan of Kimbo and love the way we throw punches against his opponents - that if you paid a little of attention on what happen in this fight certainly after the referee stoppage you would be asking yourself:
What a f**k did happen??? Was the referee stoppage fair?
Was it, maybe, just a maneuver to help Kimbo and specially allowing CBS and the event organizers in making MMA events more and more popular on TV no matter what they need to do in order to make their millions?!
In my opinion, you do not need to be a Mix Martial Arts Specialist to know that the decision/result of this fight, had clearly a political context in order to support and preserve all the media/organizers efforts and investments that were done to promote this MMA event on an open tv channel, using Kimbo Slice as the event anchor.
I love the show, but let’s be real…did Kimbo won or got his ass kicked?
Did he get a “little help” of the referee?
You tell me.

]]> By: Demon6.0 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30291 Demon6.0 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:22:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30291 I take my wife as a barometer to judge particularly your last statement and the success of Elite XC's event. She knows next to nothing about MMA or martial arts in general. Yet, she was completely engrossed in every one of the bouts at UFC 84 - even Ortiz VS Machida - but when I showed her the Kimbo Slice fight, she thought it was a joke, bordering on something they'd do in the WWE. People can bash Dana White and the UFC as much as they want, but I can guarantee you that no one in Zuffa would be caught dead putting on the crock of horseshit that Elite XC did on Saturday night, and I honestly think that you give newcomers too little credit. Sure there will be the beer swilling, numskull crowd but there will also be a lot of people who got their first taste of MMA on Saturday night and probably got the worst possible first impression of the sport. I take my wife as a barometer to judge particularly your last statement and the success of Elite XC’s event. She knows next to nothing about MMA or martial arts in general. Yet, she was completely engrossed in every one of the bouts at UFC 84 - even Ortiz VS Machida - but when I showed her the Kimbo Slice fight, she thought it was a joke, bordering on something they’d do in the WWE.

People can bash Dana White and the UFC as much as they want, but I can guarantee you that no one in Zuffa would be caught dead putting on the crock of horseshit that Elite XC did on Saturday night, and I honestly think that you give newcomers too little credit. Sure there will be the beer swilling, numskull crowd but there will also be a lot of people who got their first taste of MMA on Saturday night and probably got the worst possible first impression of the sport.

]]> By: Winordie http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30243 Winordie Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:09:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30243 Kimbo would not have lasted the 90 seconds that Lesnar did against Frank Mir. For the record, though, i didn't think Lesnar should've been a headliner either, but at least he had the HS/University wrestling experience. Kimbo would not have lasted the 90 seconds that Lesnar did against Frank Mir.

For the record, though, i didn’t think Lesnar should’ve been a headliner either, but at least he had the HS/University wrestling experience.

]]> By: Kogepan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30157 Kogepan Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:04:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30157 I don't see why people talk up Lesnar while at the same time put down Kimbo. Both are 'draws' because of their notority from outside the MMA world. UFC/EliteXC both promoted cards that featured guys with 1 or 2 MMA fights as the feature bout. At least Kimbo lasted more than 90 seconds in his fight. Obviously Kimbo needs alot more experience in the ring, he's just a really famous guy with 3 MMA fights under his belt. I don’t see why people talk up Lesnar while at the same time put down Kimbo. Both are ‘draws’ because of their notority from outside the MMA world.

UFC/EliteXC both promoted cards that featured guys with 1 or 2 MMA fights as the feature bout. At least Kimbo lasted more than 90 seconds in his fight.

Obviously Kimbo needs alot more experience in the ring, he’s just a really famous guy with 3 MMA fights under his belt.

]]> By: jaydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30140 jaydog Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:26:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30140 I'm not the only one trying to reserve judgment for the time being. From MMAPayout: "Kimbo did get physically dominated in the fight but he didn't get beat up, if that makes any sense.... there is a difference. The online MMA community is up in arms over this fight but it is up in the air how casual fans saw it. EliteXC may need to shuffle him down the card for the time being." This event (and the ratings) are an indicator of a MMA's growth. It may not grow in the direction that hardcore fans would like, and sleazy wannabe pimps in jogging suits and Lex Luther impersonators may be calling the shots, but more and more people are taking note of the fighters one way or another. Personally, I'm trying to enjoy what there is to enjoy. Pointing out that Kimbo is a contrived product is lazy self-congratulatory elitism. But, I love yall anyhow. I’m not the only one trying to reserve judgment for the time being. From MMAPayout:

“Kimbo did get physically dominated in the fight but he didn’t get beat up, if that makes any sense…. there is a difference. The online MMA community is up in arms over this fight but it is up in the air how casual fans saw it. EliteXC may need to shuffle him down the card for the time being.”

This event (and the ratings) are an indicator of a MMA’s growth. It may not grow in the direction that hardcore fans would like, and sleazy wannabe pimps in jogging suits and Lex Luther impersonators may be calling the shots, but more and more people are taking note of the fighters one way or another. Personally, I’m trying to enjoy what there is to enjoy. Pointing out that Kimbo is a contrived product is lazy self-congratulatory elitism. But, I love yall anyhow.

]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30113 darkmetal Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:36:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30113 Wow, some people are really reaching in regards to Kimbo Slice here. Consider: 1. Kimbo was the headliner, nobody is expecting him to be in the low learning stage of his career. Bas Rutten pretty much said the guy was amazing for an amateur. No, he is just an amateur. 2. Kimbo lost by "Standing KO of an opponent who was still fighting" Please someone tell me the last time you have seen that in the UFC.... They can say it was about Thompson's ear all they want, but if it was, wouldn't they have simply halted the fight and asked the Dr if it was ok for him to continue? 3. Kimbo got to where he is via hype, promotion, and overexaggeration of teenage youtube boys. This is a slap in the face of all the fighters who are out there fighting in small shows for pitiful purses. Knocking out untrained fighters in alleys is something that does not mean you are a MMA fighter, it means you are a thug. Kimbo has been gifted with being anywhere on TV period. Wow, some people are really reaching in regards to Kimbo Slice here.

Consider:

1. Kimbo was the headliner, nobody is expecting him to be in the low learning stage of his career. Bas Rutten pretty much said the guy was amazing for an amateur. No, he is just an amateur.

2. Kimbo lost by “Standing KO of an opponent who was still fighting” Please someone tell me the last time you have seen that in the UFC…. They can say it was about Thompson’s ear all they want, but if it was, wouldn’t they have simply halted the fight and asked the Dr if it was ok for him to continue?

3. Kimbo got to where he is via hype, promotion, and overexaggeration of teenage youtube boys. This is a slap in the face of all the fighters who are out there fighting in small shows for pitiful purses. Knocking out untrained fighters in alleys is something that does not mean you are a MMA fighter, it means you are a thug. Kimbo has been gifted with being anywhere on TV period.

]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30094 JollyDV Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:43:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30094 Torgo- You are too funny! Maybe EliteXC can take some of their winnings and hire a dance coach for the girls!! Torgo-
You are too funny! Maybe EliteXC can take some of their winnings and hire a dance coach for the girls!!

]]> By: Grape Knee High http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30092 Grape Knee High Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:33:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/01/kimbo-slice-v-james-thompson-could-prove-to-be-very-educational/#comment-30092 The only thing I learned from watching EliteXC is that you don't have to defend yourself on the ground if you have the ref in your back pocket. And that EliteXC really did implement the 15 second standup rule, but only for Kimbo. The only thing I learned from watching EliteXC is that you don’t have to defend yourself on the ground if you have the ref in your back pocket. And that EliteXC really did implement the 15 second standup rule, but only for Kimbo.

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