5 Oz. Exclusive: NJACB legal counsel Nick Lembo explains stoppages on Saturday Night Fights

Nick Lembo is the legal counsel for the New Jersey Athletic Control Board and was the commission’s highest-ranking official in attendance of Saturday’s debut of EliteXC on CBS in Newark, N.J. at the Prudential Center.

Lembo granted FiveOuncesOfPain.com an interview earlier this evening in which he openly explained the commission’s position on the decision to stop several fights before they had reached a conclusion. His comments were illuminating and could cause people to view the stoppages in a different light.

Below is the transcript of the interview.

Sam Caplan: There’s been a lot of criticism from the hardcore MMA fanbase in regards to Saturday’s show. A lot of people aren’t happy with some how some of the fights turned out. I wanted to talk about some of the stoppages and hear the position of the commission as to whether the stoppages were early. I wanted to start out with the Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young stoppage. Can you tell us why that fight was stopped?

Nick Lembo: The referee called over the doctor, I believe at the end of the second round, and Dr. Wulkan — Dr. Sherry Wulkan — who is a long-time MMA and kickboxing doctor, who trains herself, she felt there was a possibility of an orbital fracture. Of course, that could not be determined on the spot; there was no machine that could be used to examine the injury at that point. However, she was concerned about the laceration and the hematoma that was forming under Kaitlin’s eye, and she was concerned that it would affect her ability to see and the ability to protect herself and see punches coming from that side. I asked her if Kaitlin was medically able to continue and she said no.

Sam Caplan: Did Dr. Wulkan speak with Kaitlin Young?

Nick Lembo: Dr. Wulkan asked Kaitlin where she was three times. The first time, Kaitlin did not respond. During the second and third attempts, the doctor indicated that Kaitlin’s response was garbled.

Sam Caplan: I wanted to talk about the stoppage behind the Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith fight and why Smith wasn’t given five minutes to recuperate after the foul.

Nick Lembo: There was necessary stoppage from a finger in the eye. The referee, Dan Miragliotta, went up to Scott and said he got poked in the eye and called an accidental foul, put the fighters in their neutral corners, and went over to Scott and said “Are you okay? You have up to five minutes.” At that point, Scott said “I can’t see out of my eye.” Then at that point Dan said to him “I’m going to call in the doctor to look at you. I’m telling you that if you tell the doctors that you can’t see, they are going to stop the fight.” Dr. Angela Gagliardi went in there first to examine Scott and she said that “He said he could not see.” And then she came back and told me that and I said, “Of course he can’t see, he just got poked in the eye.”

At that point, I called for Dr. Sherry Wulkan, who again, is a top MMA doctor for us and was working as the nearby cage entrance. And I called her in to say “Hey, this is a championship fight, I want you specifically to look at Scott because nobody wants a fighter that can’t continue medically to continue but you have the most experience with MMA.” She goes up to Scott and asks, “How’s your vision?” He goes, “I can’t see at all.” And she said to him “What do you mean you can’t see?” And he responded “I mean I can’t see.” Next, she said to him, “What does that mean? Is it blurry? Is it fuzzy?” And he goes, “I told you, I can’t see at all. I could get knocked out.” At that point in time she asked “Is your vision improving? After a poke in the eye, your vision should be improving by now.” And Scott said his vision wasn’t improving at all and said “I can’t see.”

With those statements combined with the fact that it was pretty apparent that he had a broken foot from throwing a kick, I turned to Dr. Wulkan and asked what her medical opinion was and she said “He should not continue because he stated his vision was not improving and by now, from a poke in his vision should be improving and I’ve given him every opportunity for him to tell me something other than I can’t see at all. And he has a broken foot and should not continue.” And the decision was made.

As far as having five minutes, it’s not guaranteed to you to have five minutes. It’s at the discretion of the chief ring official, who was the referee at the time, and then once he calls in the doctor, it’s the doctor’s discretion. That being said, I don’t know of any ringside physician that I’ve spoken to in this jurisdiction or commissioners in other jurisdictions, that have had fighters repeatedly say “I can’t see” — there is no way any commission is going to allow that fighter to continue. If Scott had said differently what he said, “My vision is improving” or “It’s just a little weird” or “Can you give me some time? It will clear up” or “It’s getting better,” then he would have been granted the time. But combined with the fact that he had a broken foot and he was repeatedly stating that he can’t see at all, there was no reason to allow that fight to continue.

I just wanted to add that it was a great fight. It was a fantastic fight and nobody wanted to see the fight end that way. I’m sure Scott didn’t want it to end that way (and) I’m sure Robbie didn’t want it to end that way. The fans didn’t want to see it end that way. But at that point, based on the conversations and the broken foot, our hands were tied.

Sam Caplan: I wanted to move on and discuss the questions some fans have about the Kimbo Slice vs. James Thomspon fight.

Nick Lembo: The questions, being what?

Sam Caplan: The first question being that we quoted someone earlier today as counting 22 unanswered elbows delivered by Thompson when he had Kimbo’s arm trapped in a crucifix position.

Nick Lembo: I think you mean that a fan in the crowd stated that? I can only say that it was exactly right in front of me from my seat at the cage and Dan (Miragliotta) was right over the action and there was no damage from those strikes whatsoever. Those blows were very, very gentle. They were taps, they weren’t doing any damage and there was no reason to stop the fight at that point.

Sam Caplan: The other question pertaining to that fight was the stoppage itself. The feeling by some people, and I guess it’s my feeling too, was that James Thompson could have possibly continued.

Nick Lembo: Well, I say it’s kind of funny because you’re damned if you do; damned if you don’t. Before the fight I received calls from the press and gave interviews to publications like Full Contact Fighter, where I am on record being criticised for allowing the fight to happen because people were telling me that James Thompson had no business being in the cage with Kimbo. And now it’s being criticised that the fight was stopped prematurely because it was such a competitive fight. At the end of the second round, Dan came up to me and said “Both fighters are completely exhausted.” And he didn’t think they were going to complete the next round and basically he stood them up because, again, there was no damage and he thought whoever connected with some decent punches standing that the fight was going to end. At that point, I immediately went into see him and asked him why did you stop the fight? And he said “Thompson’s eyes looked odd. His head went back and he dropped his hands.” And then we he swatted at Dan, I asked him “Do you want me to recommend a suspension for James?” And he said, “Nick, I don’t even think he knew who I was at that point.” And once he regrouped, he immediately apologized.

That being said, both fighters were exhausted. Kimbo was helped to the dressing room and was tended to by a doctor in his dressing room. He was completely exhausted and Thompson was taken from the press conference by the paramedics and our ringside physician to the local hospital for observation based on their examination of him. So both fighters were completely exhausted and at that point it could have went the other way.

And I’ve read some columns that have said, “Oh, it was an obvious fix” and to that, I just say that’s pretty incredulous to me because James could have won that fight at any second and to let Kimbo be on the close edge of losing that fight, that’s a heck of a way to fix a fight. The outcome in my mind and most people’s minds, Thompson was definitely winning the fight on the scorecards and anyone could have been knocked out at any second.

Sam Caplan: You just mentioned that some critics have introduced the baseless accusation that a fix was involved and you also have a lot of people new to the sport who seem to think that the referees are employed by EliteXC. Can you take us through the process about how referees are assigned to fights and who employs them?

Nick Lembo: Anybody that has followed New Jersey mixed martial arts from the beginning, going back to the old BAMMA Fight Nights in South Plainfield, back around 2000, know that Dan and Kevin (Mulhall) have been a staple as referees in New Jersey. Our third referee is Yves Lavinge; we’ve also used Jeff Blatnick once; and we’ve also used Kimberly Winslow a couple of times. But if we need two referees, the first choice is Dan Miragliotta and the second choice is Kevin Mulhall. They’ve worked every show that has come to New Jersey; from the small shows to the big shows. Kevin and Dan have even worked other shows in other jurisdictions, most recently the IFL at the Mohegan; Dan has worked several UFCs and he’s on his way in the next 48 hours to London to work the next UFC.

In my mind, Dan Miragliotta is the best referee in the world and when the next big show comes to New Jersey, I have no problems giving Dan the biggest match on that card too. And I would ask that people look at his whole body of work. If you think it was a quick stoppage or a premature stoppage, I’m not going to argue that; you’re entitled to your opinion. But to say that there is anything more than that is patently false. CBS and EliteXC had actually suggested other referees for that particular bout and they were denied and they did not even know who Dan Miragliotta was. I picked Dan Miragliotta and had no pressure from CBS or EliteXC; like I said, that’s not even who they had officially suggested (editor’s note: FiveOuncesOfPain.com learned from a source unrelated to the NJACB over the weekend that EliteXC and CBS officials had tried to secure John McCarthy as an official for the fight) and they weren’t familiar with him.

The referees are assigned by the Athletic Control Board in New Jersey. They are not assigned by the promoter. They have no interest or relationship with the promoter. Like I said, these two guys that worked that show have been around the block and they’ve worked every show to come to New Jersey from UFCs, the IFLs, to Bodogs, to MFCs, Ring of Combats, you name it and they’ll continue to work. There was nothing different; the unified rules were applied and they called the fights how they saw it. There was no pressure or influence from any outside source.

Sam Caplan: I quoted an article on 5 Oz. earlier today from Bernard Fernandez of the Philadelphia Daily News. Fernandez basically asserted that there was a different level of caution applied to stopping the fights in comparison to fights not televised on national television.

Nick Lembo: Well, I believe he used the word “apparently” when he said that. So that was just his opinion, which again he’s entitled to. And no disrespect to Bernard, he’s an award-winning caliber and long-time veteran boxing writer, but he’s very new to the sport of mixed martial arts and I just don’t think he’s as educated about the sport as some of the other writers. The referees did not receive any instructions to be extra cautious. Dan stopped the fight because he thought that Thompson was exhausted, had taken two good shots, and he didn’t like the way he reacted to them and that it was over. And the stoppage had nothing to do with the ear; that had no role in the decision to stop the fight.

I also just wanted to add that it is my preference to always talk about a fight that was stopped too early as opposed to a fight that was stopped too late

64 COMMENTS
  • Zack says:

    Kaitlin disagrees:

    http://www.fightergirls.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2585&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135

    From Kaitlin:
    My left cheek and area surrounding the eye are looking pretty ugly today, but there was no major damage. Though it may have looked like it on tv, I never actually had an open wound.

    What you didn’t see was that the doctor actually cleared me to fight the third round but the commission said “no”. I wanted to continue, my corner wanted to continue. The cut likely would have opened in the third but it was under the eye. If I had to guess, I would say that they didn’t want the visual of a woman with a bloody face on CBS.

    They also chose not to do a post fight interview with me or to include me in the post fight news conference and after party. I think the reason for that was my beat up appearance after the fight because I was not seriously injured and was completely coherent.

    I am very disappointed about that but cant help but wonder how people would have responded to that, as stupid as it is.

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  • Nicely conducted interview Sam. I’m shocked, no, SHOCKED, that all of the decisions made were perfect and that everything said between officials was perfectly worded as if they were linguistic experts.

    Instead of interviewing Armando or this guy just interview me and I’ll pretend to be them and just toe the company line. It will save time and I’ll add jokes.

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  • Kogepan says:

    Bad luck + Raving UFC fanboys = Situation totally out of control.

    IF Carano had hit Young one more time in the face in the third round and her eye exploded in blood, people would be accusing Shaw of PURPOSELY sending Young out for the gory KO.

    And miragliottas stopped ALOT of fights in the UFC early (Houston/silva for one, I remeber Rogan screaming at Miragliotta during the telecast).

    Truthfully, other that the stupid dancers and the lame walk-ins I don’t think EliteXC did a bad job. Certainly better than the last couple of fight night cards.

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  • Zack says:

    Kogepan fails. The last fight night card in Denver was one of the best cards this year in any org.

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  • Brent says:

    Hmmm – Kaitlin’s story is quite different than what Lembo described.

    Good interview – but it really can’t take away from the horror of that sad crapfest. The show bankrupted EliteXC, but hopefully they will scrape together some sponsor money and get Reis and Makowski in televised fights!

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  • William W. says:

    Excellent journalism there Sam. Good to see someone actually go to the top and get their word. Of course, this won’t satisfy the Fix!boys.

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  • lewford says:

    Zack is right. And aren’t the fights called if a fighter isn’t intelligibly defending himself? It looked to me liked Kimbo was eating elbows in the sencond.

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  • Outstanding article, Mr. Caplan. Thanks for conducting and publishing the interview.

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  • Trsigley says:

    Toe that line……

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  • Kaitlin fan says:

    Kaitlyn –

    If you happen to read this thread you should hold your head up high. You and Gina put on the best fight of the night. You’re both true warriors.

    I am a ringside doc for the CSAC and I am not sure I understood the reason for the stoppage.

    I am not really sure how the NJSACB official could stop the fight. The following is the rule regarding stoppages as taken from NJSACB ruleset:

    13:46-24A.12 Stopping a contest

    The referee and ringside physician are the sole arbiters of a bout and are the only individuals authorized to enter the fighting area at any time during competition and authorized to stop a contest.

    I saw the physician palpate under your eye. I didn’t see a flashlight or visual field testing. (This would have given more info about whether you could see or not) I didn’t have a great view from the zoomed in TV angle so I could have missed this testing. But I think I saw you mouth the words “I can see”.

    If the physician with the suit and blue gloves on said you could go then how did the guy in the white shirt who I assume was from NJSACB waive the fight off? (I am not clear that he had the authority under rule 13:46-24A.12.)

    Have you considered an appeal? I think a re-match is in order.

    Great fight! You and Gina are a credit to the sport.

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  • Judge says:

    2. The judges. Kimbo spent most of the second round getting his skull hit and thanking the heavens that Colossus could only manage weak punches and elbows. Anyone else and this ends ugly. Even with Colossus, the fight could have been called (ha) in this undeniably terrible round for Kimbo.

    Naturally, one of the “impartial judges” scored the round in his favor anyway. If this had gone to decision, is there any doubt at least one of the judges would have scored the three-round fight for Kimbo, five rounds to zero?

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  • Trsigley says:

    Two side to every story….this is one. Why did they not let Kaitlin be part of the post fight press confrences?

    http://mmamania.com/2008/06/02/mma-quick-quote-cbs-didnt-want-the-visual-of-woman-with-a-bloody-face-on-cbs/

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  • Jye says:

    I’d really like to get an interview from Scott Smith about these comments, I think he’d discredit a lot of the comments that were put on here

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  • GirlyGirl says:

    #9, I’m sure you’re right….cuz at the press table, one of the guys from the commission even said the Smith asked for time…

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  • matt says:

    i like huck’s idea. it really is brilliant.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    #9, I contacted both Scott Smith and Kaitlin Young for comment. Young declined to comment on the record at this time while Smith was not unavailable for comment.

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  • Brent says:

    “Young declined to comment on the record at this time…”

    Oooof – I bet she got a scary call from Shaw’s lawyers after her fightergirl forum posts.

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  • Zack says:

    Something tells me it’s the same firm the Corleones used.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    Brent, do we know for a fact that was Kaitlin Young on the FighterGirl forum? Do they use a verification system such as the UG?

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  • Zack says:

    Sam – it’s been talked about elsewhere and there is a strong historical, credible correlation between the account this was posted under and Kaitlin herself.

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  • Two Toes says:

    The fact that they(NJAC) even have to address the allegations speaks volumes to me. Of course their accounts are in complete contradictions to the fighters. Just like the H. Alexander situation where everything Nick Lembo said was disputed by Alexander himself.

    Also a little disappointed you didn’t ask him about Jared Shaw shouting instructions to Miragliotta in the second round. It is clearly visible on the broadcast and he does what Shaw tells him to do. I mean how can a referee be impartial when he is taking directions from a promoter?

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  • Brent says:

    “Brent, do we know for a fact that was Kaitlin Young on the FighterGirl forum? Do they use a verification system such as the UG?”

    I don’t know if the site owner vets the fighter accounts – she’s posted there since last year and commented on stuff that I think only she would know – the other pro fight girls interact with her like it’s her….

    She may be in the trunk of a late model sedan right now, so let’s all pray for her.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    Zack and Brent, thanks for the heads up on the history with her account on FighterGirls.com.

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  • Zack says:

    good stuff Brent

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  • nick says:

    #20
    Houston never said one word.
    His manager denied that the trainer made those statements.
    The trainer called to say he apologized and was misquoted terribly.

    Promoters, Managers, Corners and fans shout at refs all the time, they simply ignore them.

    #10 The guy in the white shirt was me simply informing the announcer the fight was over based on the doctor telling me it was over. Would you let a fighter continue who couldnt tell you where they were and had that type of facial lacerations, swelling, and possible orbital damage?

    Sam-
    why dont you contact CBS, I’m sure all these comments were picked up by their audio mikes and this can be put to bed once and for all.

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  • Trsigley says:

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/willis/archives/2008/03/boxingmma_notes.html

    Shaw has a history in NJ. This is a dirty dirty man who cares absolutely zero about MMA.

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  • Leisure Suit Gary says:

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/willis/archives/2008/03/boxingmma_notes.html

    The man has a history in NJ, and a history with the NJ Government.

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  • Judge says:

    Don’t speak out about the commission and all their wrongdoings … you’ll find yourself buried in Giants Stadium …

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  • Holy says:

    5) Highly respected longtime MMA media/community member Randy Harris reports Jared Shaw standing cage side screaming instructions at Dan Mirgliotta in the second round (source: thread here by Randy)

    4) James entering fight with a ready to explode ball of blood and puss hanging off the side of his head ready to be popped by Kimbo, which it was, no possible explanation for not having that drained pre-fight.

    3) Ringside doctor clears Young to come out for third round, Commission officials overrule their own doctor and call the fight, Young is banned by EliteXC from post fight press conference and after party (source: Kaitlin Young)

    2) Kimbo/Thompson stood up from side mount and ref threatened Thompson with a standup from mount (source: TV broadcast)

    1) Judge Colon scoring round 2 for Kimbo
    … WTF!!!!

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  • slimm says:

    he stopped the Kimbo fight because Thompson’s eye looked weird and he was exhausted…. really he just got punched in the face and he had been fighting for ten minutes… really, wow…. why did the doctors allow him to enter with that ear not being drained if they were going to stop the fight due to exhaustion and a lil crazy eye… good interview Sam…. WEC was easily the best card of the weekend Maeda’s eye didnt look right i can understand that stoppage, possible fty with that one cheers…..

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  • darkmetal says:

    Ok, lets compare Kaitlin’s injury to the Japanese fighter on WEC last night:

    Kaitlin did indeed have a large “mouse” under the eye, but in comparison to the Japanese figher (sorry I forget his name) was small; Only after the fighter’s eye was almost completely closed was the fight called. Are we to believe that we need to judge female fighers more delicately than men?

    If so, then count me out. First of all, this is fighting, and you get hit. If you don’t want women to get hit, then don’t have them fight.

    The baloney about the finger in the eye doesn’t make sense. The doctor admits that Smith couldn’t see because he got a finger in the eye (it makes you tear up) but then also seems to say stopping the fight was valid before the 5 minute period had ended. Madness.

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  • Donk says:

    Didn’t James Thompson say in the interview with Jake Shields that they stopped the fight due to the cut on his ear? Not exactly the situation described above.

    The above interview is great but the answers seem too perfect. Something just doesn’t sound right here. I think just taking NJACs word for it would be a little biased as it’s their ass that’s on the line if they have made errors. But the scenario he describes just sounds too perfect. I guess we won’t know this for sure though unless more fighters give a comment.

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  • HexRei says:

    @ # 26, 27, and 28 (wtf is with that anyway, are you triplets? lol):

    I clicked that link and am confused as to how this demonstrates he is a “dirty dirty man”. It says he sold some tickets to the major of Newark Sharpe James and that James was later found to have misappropriated massive amounts of city funds, but how is Shaw culpable? He was a witness against James, is every other business James used city credit cards at culpable as well? I’m not trying to defend him, just trying to figure out what your point was…

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  • Two Toes says:

    “Houston never said one word.”

    That is complete bs. When he appeared on the Hardcore Sports Talk Radio show, he talked about the incident in full and it was complete contradiction to the account you gave to Sam Caplan.

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    wow. conspiracy theories about interviews, lame NJ schtick, allegations of EXC lawyer threats from half wit & quater wit keyboard warriors. hey brent and zack, you guys are cutting edge with your expert MMA insight and analysis. you should seriously have your own show, you’re clearly more knowledgeable and have more industry contacts, oh wait i’m sorry, LINKS than Sam Caplan. you guys should capatilize on your skills and open the first KW(Keyboard Warrior) academy in the world. i predict you guys will be the Gracies of cyberspace. TYPE ON, GRAMMATICAL SPARTANS!!!

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  • Brent says:

    “schtick”, “quater”, “capatilize”…

    Last call, jeffy!

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  • cyph says:

    Miragliotta in another interview claimed that Thompson hit him because he didn’t know the fight was over. Everybody saw on TV that Thompson was obviously furious and yelling at Miragliotta for the early stoppage. Furthermore, he’s calling the critics of his stoppage a bunch of “13 year olds who have never fought MMA” before. You don’t say? 99.99999% of the population have never fought MMA before. You think 13 year olds can pay 45 bucks every month for these MMA fights? I think he doth protest to much.

    http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/06/02/ref-dan-miragliotta-defends-stoppage-of-kimbo-slice-james-thomps/

    If the NJAC would just come out and “yeah, we fucked up,” everything would be cool. Hey, they’re humans and they couldn’t handle the pressure and the spotlight they were under.

    Instead, they come out with an excuse for everything, trying to explain away all their actions with neat, rehearsed but ultimately contradictory statements to what the fighters had said, even contradicting the things we saw with our very own eyes on high definition television…. well, it’s making me think more and more that….

    THE FIX IS IN!

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  • Henry says:

    I watched the show Saturday night and I too had a couple of questions, so I called the cutman who was in the corner of Young, Scott Smith and Thompson. I have known him for approx. 30 years and he has been a cutman in boxing for almost as long. He told me that everything was on the up and up. He said that Young was hurt, battered and they made the right call by stopping it. He told me that Smith didn’t want to go on and he more or less told the doctors so. He also stated that he thought Thompson was in a bad way after the 1st round. In the 3rd, he was cut up so bad, that he himself thought they should stop the fight.

    I wonder what people would have said if Dan let that fight go on another 5 seconds and Thompson got really hurt. I always say that I would like to see a match stop 1 punch too soon then 1 punch too late.

    As far as Nick Lembo and Dan Miragliotta go, I have known Dan for a couple of years and he is one of the best at what he does. I never seen him favor anyone. As far as Nick Lembo goes, I have known him for 15 to 20 years and there is no one that is more respected in New Jersey Boxing or MMA then him.

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  • cyph says:

    Miragliotta in another interview claimed that Thompson hit him because he didn’t know the fight was over. Everybody saw on TV that Thompson was obviously furious and yelling at Miragliotta for the early stoppage. Furthermore, he’s calling the critics of his stoppage a bunch of “13 year olds who have never fought MMA” before. You don’t say? 99.99999% of the population have never fought MMA before. You think 13 year olds can pay 45 bucks every month for these MMA fights? I think he doth protest to much.

    If the NJAC would just come out and “yeah, we fucked up,” everything would be cool. Hey, they’re humans and they couldn’t handle the pressure and the spotlight they were under.

    Instead, they come out with an excuse for everything, trying to explain away all their actions with neat, rehearsed but ultimately contradictory statements to what the fighters had said, even contradicting the things we saw with our very own eyes on high definition television…. well, it’s making me think more and more that….

    THE FIX IS IN!

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  • HexRei says:

    i predict you guys will be the Gracies of cyberspace. then i guess that makes you the evan tanner of cyberspace ;)

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  • Brent says:

    “the evan tanner of cyberspace”

    As evidenced by his blog, Evan can spell and seems rather erudite when sober – “jeff the dink”, less so….

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  • Echolocating says:

    Yeah, Huckaby, I caught those “too perfect to be true” recollections of dialog just as disgusting as well.

    As far as James Thompson’s eyes and the hit are concerned. James Thomspon always has a slightly-off look about him. Yeah, he was a little scattered, but not out on his feet. The “hit” to Miragliotta was simply a you-gotta-be-kidding-me reaction in the heat of the moment… and I don’t blame Thompson for overreacting like that.

    Dana’s going to have a field day with this shit. ;-)

    I still don’t think anything was “fixed,” but it’s painfully obvious that everyone involved is in damage control overdrive… and it’s just making things look even worse. No matter how many “too perfect” answers they give, that night was an officiating mess.

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  • [...] an interview with FiveOuncesOfPain.com, Nick Lembo, legal counsel and the NJACB’s highest ranking official in attendance at Saturday [...]

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  • Johnny Lawrence says:

    #41 – “that night was an officiating mess.”

    Too True. I think that pretty much sums up the CBS Saturday Fight Night Circus.

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  • bas rutten says:

    http://basrutten.tv/newskimbo.htm

    How can Nick Lembo (as legal counsel) say “Those blows were very, very gentle. They were taps, they weren’t doing any damage and there was no reason to stop the fight at that point.” (referring to the unanswered elbows). It wasn’t his head that was being pounded on!

    Just read the above link.

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  • bas rutten says:

    http://basrutten.tv/newskimbo.htm

    How can Nick Lembo (as legal counsel) say “Those blows were very, very gentle. They were taps, they weren’t doing any damage and there was no reason to stop the fight at that point.” (referring to the unanswered elbows). It wasn’t his head that was being pounded on!

    Just read the above link.

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  • Trsigley says:

    I respect Bas’s opinion on the matter. That right up seemed to me to be the most honest explanation of Saturday’s fights. Thank you for your honesty and candor Bas. If the NJAC just came out and said we made some mistakes then we probably wouldn’t be having these discussions.

    #34 Yea It just didn’t seem to take my comments so I refreshed a couple times and changed my name. My goof…..one of me is bad enough…..three would end the world as we know it!

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  • Trsigley says:

    I spelled write wrong…goofball.

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  • Bob Morgia says:

    I just want to say that Nick Lembo is a stand up guy and i would believe whatever he says. He is a professional guy who is by the book and I respect him for setting the record straight and doing these interviews.

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  • cyph says:

    “P.S. People ask me if the fight should have been stopped at the end in the second round, I say YES because those are the rules, it should have been stopped because Kimbo didn’t do anything to improve his situation. But I think what made the ref NOT do it was the fact that Kimbo was giving his thumbs up the whole time to let the referee know that he was OK.
    This was the refs decission, not Kimbo’s.” – Bas Rutten

    Dan Miragliotta says Bas Rutten is a 13 year old idiot who’s never fought MMA a day in his life.

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  • Zack says:

    So here we are again. The last time there was criticism of the NJACB a bunch of first time posters came on here and said what great people they all were and how their kids raised baby ducks together for the past 50 years and they were all up for sainthood.

    It just makes you all look really, really bad and reinforces every stereotype I have of Jersey.

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  • JacRabbit says:

    “And aren’t the fights called if a fighter isn’t intelligibly defending himself?”

    No defense is necessary for patty-cake.

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  • Holy says:

    ‘It just makes you all look really, really bad and reinforces every stereotype I have of Jersey’ … they didn’t make the Sporanos for nothing … nothing but a bunch of crooks and thieves.

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    #42 LOL, i like that one………

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  • lulu says:

    Bas-
    He finished with hitting Thompson with a four punch combination with the last one of those being a hard right upper cut. Thompson staggered back and the referee stopped the fight. Was it too soon? I thought it would be great to see a few more shots just so that he was down for real. But I guess the referee had the two or three times that Thompson was hurt in the earlier rounds in his head, plus than he also got hit on his cauliflower ear that busted open and he had a different look in his eyes.

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  • lulu says:

    why even have referees and doctors?
    why not let young get busted up to pieces?
    why not let a fighter who says he cant see go on?
    why not let thompson get destroyed on national tv and get stretchered out?
    how about fights to the death?

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  • defshepard says:

    The fix is in. EliteXc got to protect all of their “investments”. Says alot about New Jersey. How corrupt and pathetic. I really feel for kaitlin Young. She got robbed of a third round. Win or lose she was cheated bigtime in order to protect EliteXC’s golden girl. My disgust with Gary Shaw is complete. Let them put more sanitized, fixed, shows on CBS, in New Jersey. I will not be watching.

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  • Z says:

    Scott did ask for a doc. Dan asked him if he wanted the dr to look at it, he said he did. Stupid on his part. All of the other stuff Lembo quotes must have happened during the replays cuz it’s conveniently not on the sound either, which was left live. This part…..”At that point, Scott said “I can’t see out of my eye.” Then at that point Dan said to him “I’m going to call in the doctor to look at you.” never even happened! I just watched it repeatedly trying to see/hear any of that.

    I want an interview w/ Scott to see what is what. I bet it will be the same deal as w/ Kaitlin. The guy is flat out lying to make himself look better. Proof is in the tape.

    “The ear” should never have walked into the ring. I thought these guys had to pass pre-fight physicals! Am I to understand that no one even noticed that thing? That was the first thing we saw! At a distance even! Dan was slapped cuz Thompson was rocked out of his mind. It doesn’t even matter if the fight was stopped prematurely or not, the whole night was mostly one disaster after another.

    And what about the article that says something like 2 some minutes of fighting in the first 71 minutes of the show? What a joke!

    EXC is the WWE of the MMA world. They proved that Saturday. Let all the professional wrestling fans watch EXC because the real MMA fans don’t hold much stock in them anymore, if they ever did in the first place. I hope the real fighters get the hell out of there, and sign w/ a real org, as fast as they can pick up a pen.

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  • lulu says:

    Carano was kicking Young’s ass bad , what’s the point?

    Thompson said had the ear drained pre-fight and it filled back up.

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  • Jackyl says:

    THIS IS A LIE! It’s true. I watched the video just now. The ref is verY well mic’d. That conversation never happened. I don’t know what the hell is going on but something is rotten in Denmark. POST THE SOUND CLIP ON HERE!!! “Are you okay? You have up to five minutes.” At that point, Scott said “I can’t see out of my eye.” Then at that point Dan said to him “I’m going to call in the doctor to look at you. I’m telling you that if you tell the doctors that you can’t see, they are going to stop the fight.” Dr. Angela Gagliardi went in there first to examine Scott and she said that “He said he could not see.” And then she came back and told me that and I said, “Of course he can’t see, he just got poked in the eye. AT NO POINT DOES ANY CONVERSATION EVEN CLOSE TO THIS TAKE PLACE

    She goes up to Scott and asks, “How’s your vision?” He goes, “I can’t see at all.” And she said to him “What do you mean you can’t see?” And he responded “I mean I can’t see.” Next, she said to him, “What does that mean? Is it blurry? Is it fuzzy?” And he goes, “I told you, I can’t see at all. I could get knocked out.” At that point in time she asked “Is your vision improving? After a poke in the eye, your vision should be improving by now.” And Scott said his vision wasn’t improving at all and said “I can’t see.”
    AGAIN AT NO POINT DOES THIS TAKE PLACE. WATCH THE VIDEO!! Someone needs to call someone out on this!

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  • Jackyl says:

    Lulu you are an idiot. Ever watch Arturo Gatti? The guy got poked in the eye with no obvious damage. Give him his time and finish the fight.

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  • [...] event on Saturday, the New Jersey Athletic Board went into damage control mode, with mouthpiece Nick Lembo, doctor Sherry Wulkan, and ref Dan Miragliotta making the rounds to sell the fact that they were [...]

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