Comments on: UFC 85 Thoughts & Commentary http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31889 Mike Wolfe Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:21:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31889 #42. Absofrigginlutely. Hughes pulled UFC's chestnuts out of the fire by taking the fight as the main event, fights even though Alves is overweight, and then has his nose rubbed in it when Alves gets a bonus? Hopefully the org. pays the man for what he did, not the guy who jobbed him #42.

Absofrigginlutely. Hughes pulled UFC’s chestnuts out of the fire by taking the fight as the main event, fights even though Alves is overweight, and then has his nose rubbed in it when Alves gets a bonus? Hopefully the org. pays the man for what he did, not the guy who jobbed him

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31773 king mah mah Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:44:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31773 HexRei, if four pounds didn't make all the difference, how much would? 10lbs? 15lbs? 20lbs? They have weight classes for a reason. If you can't make weight then move up in weight class. HexRei, if four pounds didn’t make all the difference, how much would? 10lbs? 15lbs? 20lbs? They have weight classes for a reason. If you can’t make weight then move up in weight class.

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]]> By: E http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31771 E Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:26:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31771 good article Aside from occasional bouts of singing, this crowd boo'd grappling and they were very flat (especially coming off great crowds in the last vegas show and montreal) good article

Aside from occasional bouts of singing, this crowd boo’d grappling and they were very flat (especially coming off great crowds in the last vegas show and montreal)

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]]> By: Rich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31754 Rich Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:57:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31754 Erm excuse me but the crowd, as a whole, wasn't terrible. I was there and didn't hear boos every time the fights went to the ground. It happened a bit more in the main card but even then they certainly didn't come as quickly as they did at 75, which I was also at. There are dickheads at every event but fans appreciative of the groundwork shouldn't be lumped in with drunken idiots. Erm excuse me but the crowd, as a whole, wasn’t terrible. I was there and didn’t hear boos every time the fights went to the ground. It happened a bit more in the main card but even then they certainly didn’t come as quickly as they did at 75, which I was also at.

There are dickheads at every event but fans appreciative of the groundwork shouldn’t be lumped in with drunken idiots.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31696 HexRei Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:26:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31696 @#42 Ah yes, I'm sure without that extra four pounds Hughes would have totally dominated him lol. Those 4 pounds made all the difference! @#42 Ah yes, I’m sure without that extra four pounds Hughes would have totally dominated him lol. Those 4 pounds made all the difference!

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]]> By: MoreThanUFC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31691 MoreThanUFC Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:50:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31691 Nate said in the post fight presser that he was sure at the time that the knee was up. He took full responsibility for that. He did argue the elbow, which replay shows was definitely to the side of the head. The "foul" at the end was not an attempted head spike, but a powerbomb. Nate was a bit tired and Thales didnt land on the top of his head. If he did, he woulda been KOed and maimed. For a guy that almost all fellow fighters like, he sure is getting taken to task for this bout. We need to hear Thales side of the story to see what he thought. Nate said in the post fight presser that he was sure at the time that the knee was up. He took full responsibility for that. He did argue the elbow, which replay shows was definitely to the side of the head. The “foul” at the end was not an attempted head spike, but a powerbomb. Nate was a bit tired and Thales didnt land on the top of his head. If he did, he woulda been KOed and maimed. For a guy that almost all fellow fighters like, he sure is getting taken to task for this bout. We need to hear Thales side of the story to see what he thought.

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]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31670 Tommy Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:39:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31670 Nate wasn't dominating the fight till after the illegal knee. He turned the fight on that, and then didn't even say he was sorry or apologize for the knee. Just to end the fight on a HUGE foul. He has no respect for fellow fighters & he deserved to lose, period, Nate wasn’t dominating the fight till after the illegal knee. He turned the fight on that, and then didn’t even say he was sorry or apologize for the knee. Just to end the fight on a HUGE foul. He has no respect for fellow fighters & he deserved to lose, period,

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]]> By: truth http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31644 truth Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:09:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31644 Bisping is the English Kimbo, If yer training with the caliber of people he's trained with, getting paid and promoted like crazy and Jason Day is who you're matched against there's something wrong with that. The UFC blowing the horn about how great he is, he needs to face more Rashad level and less McCarthy Sinosic and Day level people. Bisping is the English Kimbo, If yer training with the caliber of people he’s trained with, getting paid and promoted like crazy and Jason Day is who you’re matched against there’s something wrong with that. The UFC blowing the horn about how great he is, he needs to face more Rashad level and less McCarthy Sinosic and Day level people.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31635 king mah mah Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:23:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31635 I do not agree with all these people defending the fact that alves didn't make weight. He said he "sprained his ankle so he couldn't run or anything." Yeah ok, he can't run but he can jump multiple feet into the air with flying knees?! The ankle didn't seem to bother him much in the fight. Sure he had it wrapped, but couldn't he have wrapped it to run as well? Then Dana gives him $50,000 for the TKO? What a joke. He should give Hughes half just for taking the fight to begin with. I do not agree with all these people defending the fact that alves didn’t make weight. He said he “sprained his ankle so he couldn’t run or anything.” Yeah ok, he can’t run but he can jump multiple feet into the air with flying knees?! The ankle didn’t seem to bother him much in the fight. Sure he had it wrapped, but couldn’t he have wrapped it to run as well? Then Dana gives him $50,000 for the TKO? What a joke. He should give Hughes half just for taking the fight to begin with.

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]]> By: Chris http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31629 Chris Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:24:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31629 I have to agree with you about just about all these topics. I want Vera at HW but i also agree that he should suck it up and get down to LHW. And Marquardt's fight i thought had a decent outcome. He had some dirty stuff in the fight and they were watching him completely close. And as for Thiago, i think he's going to get the shot at the title anyways or have to fight the winner of another WW fight coming up, possibly a Koscheck before getting a title fight. I have to agree with you about just about all these topics. I want Vera at HW but i also agree that he should suck it up and get down to LHW. And Marquardt’s fight i thought had a decent outcome. He had some dirty stuff in the fight and they were watching him completely close. And as for Thiago, i think he’s going to get the shot at the title anyways or have to fight the winner of another WW fight coming up, possibly a Koscheck before getting a title fight.

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]]> By: Jeff C http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31622 Jeff C Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:58:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31622 I agree with the article for the most part. I just don't think Bisping is this unstoppable force at MW, let him beat two good opponents then we'll talk. As far as Marquardt, he didn't deserve to win that fight. If he wants to fight dirty than he's in the wrong forum. Great heart displayed by Leites, he has more class than Nate dreams of having. I agree with the article for the most part. I just don’t think Bisping is this unstoppable force at MW, let him beat two good opponents then we’ll talk. As far as Marquardt, he didn’t deserve to win that fight. If he wants to fight dirty than he’s in the wrong forum. Great heart displayed by Leites, he has more class than Nate dreams of having.

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]]> By: Demon6.0 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31617 Demon6.0 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:02:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31617 "...does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave Verdum a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight?" To be honest - no, I didn't hear or see anything, and I had a really good vantage point from where I was sitting. However, from that same angle I actually not surprised when the fight was stopped because it basically appeared as though Brandon was just going to eat punches until the fight got called anyway. He was covering up, but I couldn't see him do anything else whatsoever. I'm not defending Mirgliotta's decision though, because when I saw the footage it did seem very premature. But as I said - from where I was sitting Vera looked done. “…does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave Verdum a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight?”

To be honest – no, I didn’t hear or see anything, and I had a really good vantage point from where I was sitting. However, from that same angle I actually not surprised when the fight was stopped because it basically appeared as though Brandon was just going to eat punches until the fight got called anyway. He was covering up, but I couldn’t see him do anything else whatsoever. I’m not defending Mirgliotta’s decision though, because when I saw the footage it did seem very premature. But as I said – from where I was sitting Vera looked done.

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]]> By: MoreThanUFC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31615 MoreThanUFC Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:37:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31615 Who cares, this card sucked. The Sengoku stream is bitching. Thanks Adam, I finally figured out WinAmp. :D Who cares, this card sucked. The Sengoku stream is bitching. Thanks Adam, I finally figured out WinAmp. :D

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]]> By: hankd http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31602 hankd Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:15:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31602 Marquardt deserved to lose...he fought dirty... Should've lost a point for trying to spike Leites on his head at the end of the 3rd... F Marquardt... Marquardt deserved to lose…he fought dirty…

Should’ve lost a point for trying to spike Leites on his head at the end of the 3rd…

F Marquardt…

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31600 mike wolfe Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:42:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31600 After the officiating debacle at Elite, the story of the evening has to be the referees' performances. The Vera stoppage is very hard to defend, especially so close to the end of the round. Herb Dean's penalty for the non-existent strike to the back of the head smelled like an attempt to "even things up" for Lietes after the illegal knee, which was already penalized. It wasn't the strongest UFC card, and officiating controversies were the last thing it needed, especially since UFC wants to distinguish itself from competitors like Elite. After the officiating debacle at Elite, the story of the evening has to be the referees’ performances. The Vera stoppage is very hard to defend, especially so close to the end of the round. Herb Dean’s penalty for the non-existent strike to the back of the head smelled like an attempt to “even things up” for Lietes after the illegal knee, which was already penalized. It wasn’t the strongest UFC card, and officiating controversies were the last thing it needed, especially since UFC wants to distinguish itself from competitors like Elite.

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]]> By: Sensei John Creese http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31599 Sensei John Creese Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:31:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31599 lol. Marquardt deserved to have a point taken away for the piledriver, but didn't for the elbows to the back of the head. Logically that means that you agree with the final scoring, just not the specific deductions. Marquardt broke so many rules it was ridiculous in that fight and for him to say anything other than "I'm sorry that I blatantly and intentionally kneed you full in the face when you were very clearly in a downed position, and therefore not expected to defend against that maneuver, and hope that I can do better in my next matchup" was just sad. "Man up", as you would say, and acknowledge that you were scummy in that fight, Nate. lol.

Marquardt deserved to have a point taken away for the piledriver, but didn’t for the elbows to the back of the head. Logically that means that you agree with the final scoring, just not the specific deductions. Marquardt broke so many rules it was ridiculous in that fight and for him to say anything other than “I’m sorry that I blatantly and intentionally kneed you full in the face when you were very clearly in a downed position, and therefore not expected to defend against that maneuver, and hope that I can do better in my next matchup” was just sad. “Man up”, as you would say, and acknowledge that you were scummy in that fight, Nate.

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]]> By: paddiosf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31598 paddiosf Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:27:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31598 Oh by the way, #20 Super good post... Oh by the way, #20 Super good post…

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]]> By: paddiosf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31595 paddiosf Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:07:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31595 I can't believe how Marquardt was robbed, what was that all about..he did have a couple points taken away but he clearly dominated that fight..And Vera wasn't protecting himself but didn't seem hurt..Vera isn't going to last in the HW division, Verdum pushed him around with ease.. I can’t believe how Marquardt was robbed, what was that all about..he did have a couple points taken away but he clearly dominated that fight..And Vera wasn’t protecting himself but didn’t seem hurt..Vera isn’t going to last in the HW division, Verdum pushed him around with ease..

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]]> By: MMAFan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31591 MMAFan Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:34:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31591 Regarding the controversy of an early stoppage in the Vera vs Werdum fight, does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave VERA a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight? It is impossible to tell from the video because of the noise level from the crowd's cheering and the announcers' commentary. It seems to me that such an outcome can be avoided in the future if in their post-fight meeting the referees mandate a verbal warning before deciding to stop a fight. Regarding the controversy of an early stoppage in the Vera vs Werdum fight, does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave VERA a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight? It is impossible to tell from the video because of the noise level from the crowd’s cheering and the announcers’ commentary. It seems to me that such an outcome can be avoided in the future if in their post-fight meeting the referees mandate a verbal warning before deciding to stop a fight.

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]]> By: MMAFan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-31589 MMAFan Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:31:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/07/ufc-85-thoughts-commentary/#comment-31589 Regarding the controversy of an early stoppage in the Vera vs. Werdum fight, does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave Verdum a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight? It is impossible to tell from the video because of the noise level from the crowd's cheering and the announcers' commentary. It seems to me that such an outcome can be avoided in the future if in their post-fight meeting the referees mandate a verbal warning before deciding to stop a fight. Regarding the controversy of an early stoppage in the Vera vs. Werdum fight, does anyone who attended the live event know whether or not Dan Mirgliotta gave Verdum a verbal warning to fight out of it before stopping the fight? It is impossible to tell from the video because of the noise level from the crowd’s cheering and the announcers’ commentary. It seems to me that such an outcome can be avoided in the future if in their post-fight meeting the referees mandate a verbal warning before deciding to stop a fight.

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