Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Echolocating http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-32015 Echolocating Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:46:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-32015 Sam, thanks for the clarification on why you pulled down the Carano article and also informing us that you no longer write for ProElite. I don't know why you didn't just let everyone know about your decision stop writing for ProElite and that you can't speak about the details, but whatever. I would have preferred that you left the Carano article up, actually, and just updated it with an additional comment explaining your changed view on the situation. People take the time and effort to comment on this site and expect their replies (constructive or not) to stay for others to read and now it's all gone simply because you were too embarrassed by what you wrote. Anyway, I'm just offering what I think is a better alternative to removing articles and pretending they never existed. Sam, thanks for the clarification on why you pulled down the Carano article and also informing us that you no longer write for ProElite. I don’t know why you didn’t just let everyone know about your decision stop writing for ProElite and that you can’t speak about the details, but whatever.

I would have preferred that you left the Carano article up, actually, and just updated it with an additional comment explaining your changed view on the situation. People take the time and effort to comment on this site and expect their replies (constructive or not) to stay for others to read and now it’s all gone simply because you were too embarrassed by what you wrote.

Anyway, I’m just offering what I think is a better alternative to removing articles and pretending they never existed.

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]]> By: RenEDarE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-32013 RenEDarE Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:40:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-32013 I believe the same with the Kimbo/Rogers fight. James came out with a different game plan and he looked damm good in his fight. Its nice to see him fade away from the bullrush because it really does nothing for you...just lateral and counter. Rogers might have better wrestling no doubt but can he use it effectively like James....I dont think James looks to be the stronger fighter. I would say that Rogers would try for the TD but he wouldnt get it.....wouldnt have the quickness. The only way I can see the TD happen is if Rogers presses the action and gets a single or double against the cage. But I really cant see him pushing the action unless he stuns Kimbo and he has to retreat. Stand up war and I give it to Kimbo with his lethal hands and good body shots. I believe the same with the Kimbo/Rogers fight. James came out with a different game plan and he looked damm good in his fight. Its nice to see him fade away from the bullrush because it really does nothing for you…just lateral and counter. Rogers might have better wrestling no doubt but can he use it effectively like James….I dont think James looks to be the stronger fighter. I would say that Rogers would try for the TD but he wouldnt get it…..wouldnt have the quickness. The only way I can see the TD happen is if Rogers presses the action and gets a single or double against the cage. But I really cant see him pushing the action unless he stuns Kimbo and he has to retreat. Stand up war and I give it to Kimbo with his lethal hands and good body shots.

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]]> By: D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31975 D Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:43:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31975 Sam, Understood, thanks for responding. Sam,
Understood, thanks for responding.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31967 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:28:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31967 Michael, your point has been noted and will be taken into consideration in the future. Michael, your point has been noted and will be taken into consideration in the future.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31966 HexRei Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:28:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31966 er, person = personal. er, person = personal.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31965 HexRei Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:28:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31965 @#30: Because that was the question that the interviewer asked her. It didn't look like she was anxiously awaiting an opportunity to call LaRosa manly to me, someone asked her what her opinion was, she had an honest answer that she obviously felt was not a nice thing to say but since Tara has never held back her opinion about Gina, Gina went ahead and said it. Also "<i>just by her physical appearance, she doesn’t seem to have the physical physique of someone that is in the gym doing cardio</i>" isn't exactly a nice thing to say about a woman either and seems about as person to me as calling someone manly. @#30: Because that was the question that the interviewer asked her. It didn’t look like she was anxiously awaiting an opportunity to call LaRosa manly to me, someone asked her what her opinion was, she had an honest answer that she obviously felt was not a nice thing to say but since Tara has never held back her opinion about Gina, Gina went ahead and said it.

Also “just by her physical appearance, she doesn’t seem to have the physical physique of someone that is in the gym doing cardio” isn’t exactly a nice thing to say about a woman either and seems about as person to me as calling someone manly.

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]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31964 Michaelthebox Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:23:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31964 Sam, I think when you take things down and don't state that it was taken down and why, you're asking for trouble. You can't just erase your mistakes and not expect people to ask questions or suspect things. Sam, I think when you take things down and don’t state that it was taken down and why, you’re asking for trouble. You can’t just erase your mistakes and not expect people to ask questions or suspect things.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31961 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:16:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31961 #27, Tara has questioned Carano's professionalism. To my knowledge, she has never taken a personal shot at Carano. Carano has every right to refute LaRosa's statements, but why did she need to take a cheap shot? I mean, if she's going to respond to Tara, why can't she respond to LaRosa's comments that Carano can't make weight? What's her answer to that? #27, Tara has questioned Carano’s professionalism. To my knowledge, she has never taken a personal shot at Carano. Carano has every right to refute LaRosa’s statements, but why did she need to take a cheap shot? I mean, if she’s going to respond to Tara, why can’t she respond to LaRosa’s comments that Carano can’t make weight? What’s her answer to that?

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31960 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:13:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31960 D, it's a situation I am not able yet to talk about publicly. Sorry if I let anyone down because I am not being forthcoming, but I have a family to feed and my family will always come first. When I am able to disclose the situation to the public, I will. But right now, I cannot. But to make a long story short, I turned in my resignation in early-April in order to pursue other opportunities. The reason why I treated it with silence was because I did not have much detail to offer and my concern is that people are going to allow their imaginations run wild with crazy scenarios that I do not have the time or energy to respond to. So to those who might follow up my statement with comment or question, please understand that this is all I am able to say in regard to this situation at the present time. D, it’s a situation I am not able yet to talk about publicly. Sorry if I let anyone down because I am not being forthcoming, but I have a family to feed and my family will always come first. When I am able to disclose the situation to the public, I will. But right now, I cannot. But to make a long story short, I turned in my resignation in early-April in order to pursue other opportunities.

The reason why I treated it with silence was because I did not have much detail to offer and my concern is that people are going to allow their imaginations run wild with crazy scenarios that I do not have the time or energy to respond to. So to those who might follow up my statement with comment or question, please understand that this is all I am able to say in regard to this situation at the present time.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31956 HexRei Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:51:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31956 <b># # # 23 Sam Caplan Says: Regardless, I still believe it was unprofessional of Carano to take such a shot at Tara LaRosa. </b> Ok, but that didn't stop you from gleefully recording Tara's various shots at Gina in this thread: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gina+carano+tara+larosa&btnG=Google+Search (i'd use a direct link but for some reason this site seems to block comments made with actual links back to articles on this site... weird) #
# # 23 Sam Caplan Says:

Regardless, I still believe it was unprofessional of Carano to take such a shot at Tara LaRosa.

Ok, but that didn’t stop you from gleefully recording Tara’s various shots at Gina in this thread:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gina+carano+tara+larosa&btnG=Google+Search (i’d use a direct link but for some reason this site seems to block comments made with actual links back to articles on this site… weird)

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]]> By: D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31942 D Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:59:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31942 Sam, I like you and love the site, but I was wondering why you never stated earlier that you were no longer writing for Proelite.com. You are always upfront about everything else and so that omission was kind of odd (especially because we never really knew until now). If it wasn't mutual or you can't talk about it, then I understand. Your freelance career and this site go hand-in-hand, so we're always interested in any developments in the former (regardless of good or bad). Sam, I like you and love the site, but I was wondering why you never stated earlier that you were no longer writing for Proelite.com. You are always upfront about everything else and so that omission was kind of odd (especially because we never really knew until now).
If it wasn’t mutual or you can’t talk about it, then I understand. Your freelance career and this site go hand-in-hand, so we’re always interested in any developments in the former (regardless of good or bad).

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31913 bjjdenver Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:34:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31913 Luke by a hair! I had to base it off the Vera/Wedum question and Rome lost me in the whole waiting around thing. I don't think they should be inactive for that period, but Werdum is the obvious choice for next shot (now that he won). I don't mind him fighting again before that time, in fact, I would expect him to. Maybe you don't have him fight a top guy, but at least something to keep him active. Should he lose, then he was obviously not the contender we thought, so no big deal. Considering that some of the views are becoming to obvious, how about forcing each guy to argue a side in each question, whether they believe in it or not, much like a debate question? You can still do the switch and we can vote on who was the most convincing. just a thought. Luke by a hair!

I had to base it off the Vera/Wedum question and Rome lost me in the whole waiting around thing. I don’t think they should be inactive for that period, but Werdum is the obvious choice for next shot (now that he won). I don’t mind him fighting again before that time, in fact, I would expect him to. Maybe you don’t have him fight a top guy, but at least something to keep him active. Should he lose, then he was obviously not the contender we thought, so no big deal.

Considering that some of the views are becoming to obvious, how about forcing each guy to argue a side in each question, whether they believe in it or not, much like a debate question? You can still do the switch and we can vote on who was the most convincing. just a thought.

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]]> By: Nick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31909 Nick Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:17:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31909 Sam, I agree with your post here and I am glad you stood up for yourself. Being in the same biz, I know how you feel. As for the taking down of the article, I agree with that too. It was unlike you and I am glad you corrected it. Sam, I agree with your post here and I am glad you stood up for yourself. Being in the same biz, I know how you feel. As for the taking down of the article, I agree with that too. It was unlike you and I am glad you corrected it.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31906 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:24:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31906 <p>Mike, if no harm was intended, then I apologize for coming on as strong as I did. But my integrity is all I have, so I hope you can understand why I would come off so defensive.</p> <p>As for why it came down, if you re-read my post, it explains why. But basically, I wrote it out of emotion and wasn't happy with how it read. It read like something an emotional teenager would write -- bad spelling and grammar and all.</p> <p>Regardless, I still believe it was unprofessional of Carano to take such a shot at Tara LaRosa. LaRosa has done so much for female MMA and she's a big reason why Gina is where she is today, whether she cares to acknowledge or not. Because of the way LaRosa has carried herself, she convinced a lot of promoters who otherwise had no interest in female MMA to start booking female fights on their cards. Tara has a lot of credibility with industry insiders and without someone as credible as her representing the female MMA movement, there likely would be no female MMA movement. And look, other female fighters have made an impact as well such as Roxanne Modaferri, Shayna Baszler, and Amanda Buckner, but Tara is the matriarch of female MMA in my opinion. She wasn't the first, but she helped elevate it to a new level of respectability and kept it viable for the Bodogs and EliteXCs of the world to pick up on it.</p> Mike, if no harm was intended, then I apologize for coming on as strong as I did. But my integrity is all I have, so I hope you can understand why I would come off so defensive.

As for why it came down, if you re-read my post, it explains why. But basically, I wrote it out of emotion and wasn’t happy with how it read. It read like something an emotional teenager would write — bad spelling and grammar and all.

Regardless, I still believe it was unprofessional of Carano to take such a shot at Tara LaRosa. LaRosa has done so much for female MMA and she’s a big reason why Gina is where she is today, whether she cares to acknowledge or not. Because of the way LaRosa has carried herself, she convinced a lot of promoters who otherwise had no interest in female MMA to start booking female fights on their cards. Tara has a lot of credibility with industry insiders and without someone as credible as her representing the female MMA movement, there likely would be no female MMA movement. And look, other female fighters have made an impact as well such as Roxanne Modaferri, Shayna Baszler, and Amanda Buckner, but Tara is the matriarch of female MMA in my opinion. She wasn’t the first, but she helped elevate it to a new level of respectability and kept it viable for the Bodogs and EliteXCs of the world to pick up on it.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31905 Mike Wolfe Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:22:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31905 Never mind. Read it again more thoroughly. On to other subjects. Never mind. Read it again more thoroughly. On to other subjects.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31903 Mike Wolfe Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:13:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31903 #18 Sam: Fair enough. For whatever it's worth, my post was not intended as a personal attack or an attempt to start a conspiracy discussion. I'll admit to being a smart aleck from time to time, but I don't attack in a mean spirited way, and the conspiracy stuff is tiresome, at least to me. All that having been said, why was the piece taken down? #18

Sam:

Fair enough. For whatever it’s worth, my post was not intended as a personal attack or an attempt to start a conspiracy discussion. I’ll admit to being a smart aleck from time to time, but I don’t attack in a mean spirited way, and the conspiracy stuff is tiresome, at least to me.

All that having been said, why was the piece taken down?

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31902 Rich S. Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:13:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31902 i think they need to avoid Kimbo/Rogers.. for now.. and def. avoid Kimbo/Big Foot.. because there's a pretty good chance he could lose to rogers [although, i think he would KO Rogers].. and there's no way he can beat Big Foot.. at least, not right now.. or in the near future.. they're just going to keep feeding him guys that are coming off of losses.. like Jon Murphy.. or maybe even a complete no-name.. who knows.. i think they need to avoid Kimbo/Rogers.. for now.. and def. avoid Kimbo/Big Foot.. because there’s a pretty good chance he could lose to rogers [although, i think he would KO Rogers].. and there’s no way he can beat Big Foot.. at least, not right now.. or in the near future..

they’re just going to keep feeding him guys that are coming off of losses.. like Jon Murphy.. or maybe even a complete no-name.. who knows..

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31898 Rich S. Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:07:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31898 owned. owned.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31894 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:01:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31894 To Mike Wolfe: You're usually a very good contributor to this site, which makes the assertion you made during comment #12 so disappointing. I've been complaining about people on the Internet who make up conspiracies and run with baseless accusations that impugn the integrity of others and now you've fallen into that category. First off, I no longer write for ProElite.com. I haven't in months. I think that's fairly obvious considering I haven't posted there in months. But there, I've publicly stated that I no longer write for ProElite.com. Second, even when I did write for ProElite.com, I had nothing to do with EliteXC. Both EliteXC and ProElite.com are owned by ProElite, Inc. but operated as two separate companies. I NEVER in my time with ProElite.com EVER had to answer to anyone at EliteXC. Furthermore, NONE of my posts or articles were subject to approval or censor by ProElite.com. In fact, I didn't even have an editor to report to. The fact that I was very critical of EliteXC during my tenure at ProElite.com supports my statement. NO ONE pressures me into saying anything. Everything you see are my views and my views only. They are influenced by no one. I'm sure a few smart asses will respond with some pot shots, but this is the truth whether people want to acknowledge it or not. IT'S THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH. I've put up with too many angry phone calls and e-mails from people in the industry and stood my ground each time to allow someone to even hint that somehow my opinion might have been influenced. So to insinuate that EliteXC had a part in my decision to take the Carano post down is reckless and irresponsible on your part. I took it down because after reviewing it, I realized it was a post written out of pure emotion -- something I try my best to avoid. I wasn't pleased with how it turned out and decided to take it down. It's as simple as that. So Mike, even though you tried to phrase it as a question as opposed to a statement, it was still irresponsible and you still stand corrected. To Mike Wolfe:

You’re usually a very good contributor to this site, which makes the assertion you made during comment #12 so disappointing. I’ve been complaining about people on the Internet who make up conspiracies and run with baseless accusations that impugn the integrity of others and now you’ve fallen into that category.

First off, I no longer write for ProElite.com. I haven’t in months. I think that’s fairly obvious considering I haven’t posted there in months. But there, I’ve publicly stated that I no longer write for ProElite.com.

Second, even when I did write for ProElite.com, I had nothing to do with EliteXC. Both EliteXC and ProElite.com are owned by ProElite, Inc. but operated as two separate companies. I NEVER in my time with ProElite.com EVER had to answer to anyone at EliteXC.

Furthermore, NONE of my posts or articles were subject to approval or censor by ProElite.com. In fact, I didn’t even have an editor to report to. The fact that I was very critical of EliteXC during my tenure at ProElite.com supports my statement.

NO ONE pressures me into saying anything. Everything you see are my views and my views only. They are influenced by no one. I’m sure a few smart asses will respond with some pot shots, but this is the truth whether people want to acknowledge it or not. IT’S THE GOD’S HONEST TRUTH. I’ve put up with too many angry phone calls and e-mails from people in the industry and stood my ground each time to allow someone to even hint that somehow my opinion might have been influenced.

So to insinuate that EliteXC had a part in my decision to take the Carano post down is reckless and irresponsible on your part. I took it down because after reviewing it, I realized it was a post written out of pure emotion — something I try my best to avoid. I wasn’t pleased with how it turned out and decided to take it down. It’s as simple as that.

So Mike, even though you tried to phrase it as a question as opposed to a statement, it was still irresponsible and you still stand corrected.

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]]> By: Simco http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/comment-page-1/#comment-31890 Simco Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:33:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-9/#comment-31890 With the news (to me) that Scott still had vision problems in the locker room I can't see how anyone can contest the stoppage anymore. With the news (to me) that Scott still had vision problems in the locker room I can’t see how anyone can contest the stoppage anymore.

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