Comments on: Should Alves’ win over Hughes count?; Vera’s future; Miragliotta involved in controversy for second week in a row; possible roster cuts; and other UFC 85 thoughts http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Cath http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31917 Cath Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:43:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31917 Mirg's reffing just annoys me. He's inconsistent and I've always considered him to be overly cautious (fighters deserve a chance to work through a bad situation). Still, bad officiating is something you deal with in any sport. You never how the refs or judges will be feeling on a given day, so you should never leave the fight up to the refs and judges. I say, win decisively and you don't have to worry about sloppy refs and idiot judges. Alves did a great performance last night. They are going a little too easy on him for the weight thing, but then, it wasn't all that important of a fight and every other fighter in the UFC was out with injuries... aw, hell. I'm just glad to see Hughes get his ass kicked. Guy's a dick. I live near MFS, so I can tell you truthfully that I have yet to meet anyone who has something nice to say about him. And I'll argue to the death that Newton choked him out before the head slam. Blah. Maybe I'm letting my personal opinion shade my thinking. Yeah, if Alves had used a chainsaw on Hughes, I'd probly have cheered. Mirg’s reffing just annoys me. He’s inconsistent and I’ve always considered him to be overly cautious (fighters deserve a chance to work through a bad situation). Still, bad officiating is something you deal with in any sport. You never how the refs or judges will be feeling on a given day, so you should never leave the fight up to the refs and judges. I say, win decisively and you don’t have to worry about sloppy refs and idiot judges.

Alves did a great performance last night. They are going a little too easy on him for the weight thing, but then, it wasn’t all that important of a fight and every other fighter in the UFC was out with injuries… aw, hell. I’m just glad to see Hughes get his ass kicked. Guy’s a dick. I live near MFS, so I can tell you truthfully that I have yet to meet anyone who has something nice to say about him. And I’ll argue to the death that Newton choked him out before the head slam. Blah. Maybe I’m letting my personal opinion shade my thinking. Yeah, if Alves had used a chainsaw on Hughes, I’d probly have cheered.

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]]> By: CrazyMike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31892 CrazyMike Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:42:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31892 I didn't have a problem with the Hughes/Alves fight right up until the end when he started begging for a title shot. Champions don't make excuses about not making weight. It's as simple as that. Hopefully Dana will sit down with him and remind him of that fact. I didn’t have a problem with the Hughes/Alves fight right up until the end when he started begging for a title shot. Champions don’t make excuses about not making weight. It’s as simple as that.

Hopefully Dana will sit down with him and remind him of that fact.

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]]> By: Drew http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31864 Drew Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31864 #11 Mike said it all.......some of you guys are still missing the big picture.... Ya Hughes probably still loses, but Alves prob doesn't win in such convincing fashion had he had to push himself further like Matt to make weight...... #11 Mike said it all…….some of you guys are still missing the big picture…. Ya Hughes probably still loses, but Alves prob doesn’t win in such convincing fashion had he had to push himself further like Matt to make weight……

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31855 darkmetal Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:31:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31855 Sam, with all due respect, I am getting pretty sick of the "I know Miragliotta, and he is a hell of a guy, I am willing to go to bat for him." syndrome. Bad calls are bad calls, and when they come fast and furious in ways that even the average untrained fan can see they are the act of an incompetent or worse, someone who is corrupted, then it is time for a change in who is officiating these matches. Personally, I think Miragliotta has gone beyond the "3 strikes" rule and at the very least needs someone who is unbiased to pull him aside and have a talk with him. Personally, his credibility is shot for me, and I would be much happier that he find a new line of work. Perhaps this seems harsh, but the very status of MMA is at stake. We are seeing prime time news shows depicting all of MMA via the charade that was Elitexc/CBS, and it is giving hope to those who want it to end or be banned. Realise that one of the 2 Presidential candidates, John McCain, wanted to ban the UFC as a simple "blood sport"--and considering the Liberalism of Barack Obama, I am sure he would probably ALSO be on board to look "compassionate". We need to elevate the sport, quite frankly, or one day the foundation will crumble and send it back into the abyss it was not that long ago. Giragliotta is a big part of that problem. Sam, with all due respect, I am getting pretty sick of the “I know Miragliotta, and he is a hell of a guy, I am willing to go to bat for him.” syndrome.

Bad calls are bad calls, and when they come fast and furious in ways that even the average untrained fan can see they are the act of an incompetent or worse, someone who is corrupted, then it is time for a change in who is officiating these matches.

Personally, I think Miragliotta has gone beyond the “3 strikes” rule and at the very least needs someone who is unbiased to pull him aside and have a talk with him. Personally, his credibility is shot for me, and I would be much happier that he find a new line of work.

Perhaps this seems harsh, but the very status of MMA is at stake. We are seeing prime time news shows depicting all of MMA via the charade that was Elitexc/CBS, and it is giving hope to those who want it to end or be banned. Realise that one of the 2 Presidential candidates, John McCain, wanted to ban the UFC as a simple “blood sport”–and considering the Liberalism of Barack Obama, I am sure he would probably ALSO be on board to look “compassionate”.

We need to elevate the sport, quite frankly, or one day the foundation will crumble and send it back into the abyss it was not that long ago.

Giragliotta is a big part of that problem.

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31851 Zack Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:14:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31851 If you cobble together all the legit sources out there, Dana's announcement is NOT one of the following: 1) Mayweather, per Carmichael Dave and Cindy from UG 2) TV deal. In a radio interview he says it isn't a TV deal, it's something "leftfield" Given that, and in the context of changing "the next 5 years", I think we can also rule out Chuck vs Spider. This may still be part of the announcement, but not big enough. So what's left? A new equity partnership with a huge entity like ESPN? Going public? Selling? If you cobble together all the legit sources out there, Dana’s announcement is NOT one of the following:

1) Mayweather, per Carmichael Dave and Cindy from UG
2) TV deal. In a radio interview he says it isn’t a TV deal, it’s something “leftfield”

Given that, and in the context of changing “the next 5 years”, I think we can also rule out Chuck vs Spider. This may still be part of the announcement, but not big enough.

So what’s left? A new equity partnership with a huge entity like ESPN? Going public? Selling?

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31834 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:21:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31834 DPK, thanks for speaking the truth. DPK, thanks for speaking the truth.

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]]> By: DPK http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31821 DPK Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:25:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31821 The people who don't think losing 4 pounds is a big deal, must never have competed in any event where weight cutting is a fact of life. 4 pounds when you are under 3-5% body fat is not easy, it sucks, and it drains your body fast when you haven't cut the weight right. If it was easy, I doubt Alves would have given up 10% of his purse by not losing it. He got the win, good job to him, it would have really killed him to lose that match after not making weight, but I think he needs to make weight at least once more and beat a top contender, before he can even think he is going to get a title shot. Honestly, if he made weight and beat Hughes I would be the first person saying he deserved the winner of GSP v Fitch, but he blew it, so he needs to prove himself not in the cage, but on the scales The people who don’t think losing 4 pounds is a big deal, must never have competed in any event where weight cutting is a fact of life. 4 pounds when you are under 3-5% body fat is not easy, it sucks, and it drains your body fast when you haven’t cut the weight right. If it was easy, I doubt Alves would have given up 10% of his purse by not losing it. He got the win, good job to him, it would have really killed him to lose that match after not making weight, but I think he needs to make weight at least once more and beat a top contender, before he can even think he is going to get a title shot. Honestly, if he made weight and beat Hughes I would be the first person saying he deserved the winner of GSP v Fitch, but he blew it, so he needs to prove himself not in the cage, but on the scales

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31790 Zack Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:21:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31790 Dana confirmed to Carmicahel Dave and Cindy that it is NOT going to be Mayweather. I've been seeing the Liddell/Spider rumor in the same places as the Mayweather rumor, so I'm thinking its not true either (though much more plausible). I'm guessing another sponsor or TV deal. Dana confirmed to Carmicahel Dave and Cindy that it is NOT going to be Mayweather. I’ve been seeing the Liddell/Spider rumor in the same places as the Mayweather rumor, so I’m thinking its not true either (though much more plausible).

I’m guessing another sponsor or TV deal.

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31787 Jye Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:47:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31787 A bit off-topic here, but I keep hearing a rumour that Dana's big news is gonna be Chuck v A Silva at UFC 88. Has anyone else heard about this??? I gotta say it does fit in considering we've been hearing consistent news about Silva going to 205 and also Chuck main-eventing at UFC 88. A bit off-topic here, but I keep hearing a rumour that Dana’s big news is gonna be Chuck v A Silva at UFC 88. Has anyone else heard about this??? I gotta say it does fit in considering we’ve been hearing consistent news about Silva going to 205 and also Chuck main-eventing at UFC 88.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31784 Matt Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:26:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31784 Another solid card from Zuffa and hopefully it continues for the rest of the year. The TUF finale should be a better card then expected with so many Pink Slip matches, the fighters will have that extra incentive to win. Alves not making weight doesn't bother me just because the fight was signed on short notice. That is hardly an excuse but I'm sure the UFC had gotten notice in advance from ATT that Alves wasn't going to cut it. Also I don't believe that Alves is the number one contender. He has two fouls on his name for using diuretics and missing weight. Another solid card from Zuffa and hopefully it continues for the rest of the year.

The TUF finale should be a better card then expected with so many Pink Slip matches, the fighters will have that extra incentive to win.

Alves not making weight doesn’t bother me just because the fight was signed on short notice. That is hardly an excuse but I’m sure the UFC had gotten notice in advance from ATT that Alves wasn’t going to cut it.

Also I don’t believe that Alves is the number one contender. He has two fouls on his name for using diuretics and missing weight.

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]]> By: Two Toes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31782 Two Toes Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:06:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31782 "And as far as the man crush comment, either tone down the personal rhetoric or your posts will be removed. If you want to disagree, great, that’s why we have a comment section. But this is a pattern of you making things personal and it won’t be tolerated any longer." Lol at this comment. I guess it's alright for the writers here to sling personal insults at the people involved in MMA but when one of the readers does the same they must be muzzled. Quite pathetic. “And as far as the man crush comment, either tone down the personal rhetoric or your posts will be removed. If you want to disagree, great, that’s why we have a comment section. But this is a pattern of you making things personal and it won’t be tolerated any longer.”

Lol at this comment. I guess it’s alright for the writers here to sling personal insults at the people involved in MMA but when one of the readers does the same they must be muzzled. Quite pathetic.

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]]> By: RUSH http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31761 RUSH Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:28:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31761 I think they'll keep Sanchez around as well. I mean how many HW's are left? I can barely count 15 of them in the UFC. I definitely do think its the end for Liaudin and Lambert in the UFC I think they’ll keep Sanchez around as well. I mean how many HW’s are left? I can barely count 15 of them in the UFC.

I definitely do think its the end for Liaudin and Lambert in the UFC

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]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31718 Michaelthebox Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:25:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31718 Sanchez isn't going anywhere, I'll say again. The UFC loves company men like him. The absolute last message they want to send to fighters is "if you fill in at the last minute and you lose, you'll get cut." Sanchez isn’t going anywhere, I’ll say again. The UFC loves company men like him. The absolute last message they want to send to fighters is “if you fill in at the last minute and you lose, you’ll get cut.”

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31713 bjjdenver Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:06:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31713 One more. Bisping... -They should just strip Anderson of his belt and give it to Bisping. -Ok, Seriously, he did what he was supposed to do yesterday and beat on a guy that didn't put up much of a fight. Sorry, I am ok with MB, but I need to see much more before I anoint him as the next great 185er. One more.

Bisping…

-They should just strip Anderson of his belt and give it to Bisping.

-Ok, Seriously, he did what he was supposed to do yesterday and beat on a guy that didn’t put up much of a fight. Sorry, I am ok with MB, but I need to see much more before I anoint him as the next great 185er.

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31709 bjjdenver Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:59:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31709 Sanchez shouldn't be dropped, because he is a good soldier, he fills in on a minutes notice and will fight anyone. Before they go dropping him, I think they at least owe him a fight or two with proper preparation. Alves... -Comparing to Lutter, by most estimations, Travis was given the "chance of a lifetime", by getting a TITLE shot without following the normal path. He had months to prepare and still missed weight for a championship fight. the fact that it was only a 1.5 overage, makes it even that much worse, imo. -Alves took the fight on somewhat short notice, and battled a late injury that affected his ability to cut the weight. I'm not giving him a pass, but I can cut him a LITTLE slack. -He probably deserves to be in line for a title shot, but as I have stated in prior posts, he needs at least one more fight, to show he can make the 170 cut off for championship fights. -I didn't think he deserved the bonus for ko of the night because of his failing to make weight, and that should be a new rule they have in the UFC. Reffing... -Consistency seems to be a big problem, not only from ref to ref, but fight to fight as well as judge to judge. IMO, this is a HUGE problem that could impact the way the sport is accepted by more mainstream audiences. -Of the past few weeks, I have to say that the Vera stoppage was the worst instance. There has to be a way for the ref to pause the fight and get a better look at the fighter, without something like an 8 count. Marquardt... -In my initial viewing, I was a little disgusted by Nate's "tactics", but I rewatched it a couple times and that elbow was pretty OK by me, but i could see how in the heat of action, Herb would call it. I do have a little problem with all the back to the head fouls, when fighters are intentionally turning their heads away, even turning their backs to their opponents. i don't expect them to sit their and get hit, but there are better ways to defend. -The spike on the head, looked a little like he was trying to flip him up and slam him on his back, but just failed to do so after 3 rounds of fighting. could have been tired and slippery, just not sure on this one. -the illegal knee. No doubt it was illegal, however, I don't think nate did it intentionally. If you rewatch the fight, leites is on one foot and one knee. he comes up off that knee to stand, but immediately goes back down to it. Unfortunatley, Nate was in the process of striking, so I think it was just bad timing. Overall, I thought 85 was a pretty good card. It had to follow in 84's huge footsteps, but considering how cursed it seemed to be, it was just fine. Sanchez shouldn’t be dropped, because he is a good soldier, he fills in on a minutes notice and will fight anyone. Before they go dropping him, I think they at least owe him a fight or two with proper preparation.

Alves…

-Comparing to Lutter, by most estimations, Travis was given the “chance of a lifetime”, by getting a TITLE shot without following the normal path. He had months to prepare and still missed weight for a championship fight. the fact that it was only a 1.5 overage, makes it even that much worse, imo.

-Alves took the fight on somewhat short notice, and battled a late injury that affected his ability to cut the weight. I’m not giving him a pass, but I can cut him a LITTLE slack.

-He probably deserves to be in line for a title shot, but as I have stated in prior posts, he needs at least one more fight, to show he can make the 170 cut off for championship fights.

-I didn’t think he deserved the bonus for ko of the night because of his failing to make weight, and that should be a new rule they have in the UFC.

Reffing…

-Consistency seems to be a big problem, not only from ref to ref, but fight to fight as well as judge to judge. IMO, this is a HUGE problem that could impact the way the sport is accepted by more mainstream audiences.

-Of the past few weeks, I have to say that the Vera stoppage was the worst instance. There has to be a way for the ref to pause the fight and get a better look at the fighter, without something like an 8 count.

Marquardt…

-In my initial viewing, I was a little disgusted by Nate’s “tactics”, but I rewatched it a couple times and that elbow was pretty OK by me, but i could see how in the heat of action, Herb would call it. I do have a little problem with all the back to the head fouls, when fighters are intentionally turning their heads away, even turning their backs to their opponents. i don’t expect them to sit their and get hit, but there are better ways to defend.

-The spike on the head, looked a little like he was trying to flip him up and slam him on his back, but just failed to do so after 3 rounds of fighting. could have been tired and slippery, just not sure on this one.

-the illegal knee. No doubt it was illegal, however, I don’t think nate did it intentionally. If you rewatch the fight, leites is on one foot and one knee. he comes up off that knee to stand, but immediately goes back down to it. Unfortunatley, Nate was in the process of striking, so I think it was just bad timing.

Overall, I thought 85 was a pretty good card. It had to follow in 84′s huge footsteps, but considering how cursed it seemed to be, it was just fine.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31690 king mah mah Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:46:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31690 I hope he does get a title shot............and doesn't make weight! Blaaaaaaaah! I hope he does get a title shot…………and doesn’t make weight! Blaaaaaaaah!

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]]> By: Brandon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31689 Brandon Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:45:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31689 Nice write up, keep up the good work. I don't think they should drop Eddie Sanchez just yet. He's a big lumbering guy who swings for the fences and his fighting style (of getting knocked out in dramatic fashion) is a very good style to open up the events. It's a good way to get the crowd excited right from the start. #3 - Cyph - Obviously you either have ADD or else are clueless, it wasn't the fact that the weight difference was 4 lbs. The point is that Matt Hughes had to bust his butt off to cut down to 170lbs days leading before the weigh in while Alves "claimed" he rolled his ankle therefore he took it much easier. I also agree that Alves did not show any signs of injury through out the fight even though he put quite a bit of pressure on the injured leg. Just watch him man handle Hughes and stuff his take downs , circling around and putting a lot of pressure on it when pushing Hughes towards the fence or away. I'm just saying if he really had a sore ankle then you would think he would at least show some kind of weakness or visible pain. Nice write up, keep up the good work.

I don’t think they should drop Eddie Sanchez just yet. He’s a big lumbering guy who swings for the fences and his fighting style (of getting knocked out in dramatic fashion) is a very good style to open up the events. It’s a good way to get the crowd excited right from the start.

#3 – Cyph – Obviously you either have ADD or else are clueless, it wasn’t the fact that the weight difference was 4 lbs. The point is that Matt Hughes had to bust his butt off to cut down to 170lbs days leading before the weigh in while Alves “claimed” he rolled his ankle therefore he took it much easier. I also agree that Alves did not show any signs of injury through out the fight even though he put quite a bit of pressure on the injured leg. Just watch him man handle Hughes and stuff his take downs , circling around and putting a lot of pressure on it when pushing Hughes towards the fence or away. I’m just saying if he really had a sore ankle then you would think he would at least show some kind of weakness or visible pain.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31688 king mah mah Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:45:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31688 What was up with his "i've been a good boy" comment? Yeah, he's been so good that he couldn't follow the rules! Like making weight! What was up with his “i’ve been a good boy” comment?

Yeah, he’s been so good that he couldn’t follow the rules! Like making weight!

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]]> By: Kyle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31685 Kyle Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:35:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31685 Of course his win should count, is that a serious question? Hughes agreed to take the fight, so it counts. That argument is basically saying that the Pride Grand Prix doesn't count because its open weight if a heavyweight wins. Of course his win should count, is that a serious question? Hughes agreed to take the fight, so it counts. That argument is basically saying that the Pride Grand Prix doesn’t count because its open weight if a heavyweight wins.

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]]> By: Tommy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31684 Tommy Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:21:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31684 No one get me wrong here, I hate people that don't make weight or cheat. I just hate Hughes more and therefore don't mind seeing him take a beating, regardless of the circumstances. No one get me wrong here, I hate people that don’t make weight or cheat. I just hate Hughes more and therefore don’t mind seeing him take a beating, regardless of the circumstances.

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