Comments on: Should Alves’ win over Hughes count?; Vera’s future; Miragliotta involved in controversy for second week in a row; possible roster cuts; and other UFC 85 thoughts http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:58:00 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Cath http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31917 Cath Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:43:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31917 Mirg's reffing just annoys me. He's inconsistent and I've always considered him to be overly cautious (fighters deserve a chance to work through a bad situation). Still, bad officiating is something you deal with in any sport. You never how the refs or judges will be feeling on a given day, so you should never leave the fight up to the refs and judges. I say, win decisively and you don't have to worry about sloppy refs and idiot judges. Alves did a great performance last night. They are going a little too easy on him for the weight thing, but then, it wasn't all that important of a fight and every other fighter in the UFC was out with injuries... aw, hell. I'm just glad to see Hughes get his ass kicked. Guy's a dick. I live near MFS, so I can tell you truthfully that I have yet to meet anyone who has something nice to say about him. And I'll argue to the death that Newton choked him out before the head slam. Blah. Maybe I'm letting my personal opinion shade my thinking. Yeah, if Alves had used a chainsaw on Hughes, I'd probly have cheered. Mirg’s reffing just annoys me. He’s inconsistent and I’ve always considered him to be overly cautious (fighters deserve a chance to work through a bad situation). Still, bad officiating is something you deal with in any sport. You never how the refs or judges will be feeling on a given day, so you should never leave the fight up to the refs and judges. I say, win decisively and you don’t have to worry about sloppy refs and idiot judges.

Alves did a great performance last night. They are going a little too easy on him for the weight thing, but then, it wasn’t all that important of a fight and every other fighter in the UFC was out with injuries… aw, hell. I’m just glad to see Hughes get his ass kicked. Guy’s a dick. I live near MFS, so I can tell you truthfully that I have yet to meet anyone who has something nice to say about him. And I’ll argue to the death that Newton choked him out before the head slam. Blah. Maybe I’m letting my personal opinion shade my thinking. Yeah, if Alves had used a chainsaw on Hughes, I’d probly have cheered.

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]]> By: CrazyMike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31892 CrazyMike Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:42:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31892 I didn't have a problem with the Hughes/Alves fight right up until the end when he started begging for a title shot. Champions don't make excuses about not making weight. It's as simple as that. Hopefully Dana will sit down with him and remind him of that fact. I didn’t have a problem with the Hughes/Alves fight right up until the end when he started begging for a title shot. Champions don’t make excuses about not making weight. It’s as simple as that.

Hopefully Dana will sit down with him and remind him of that fact.

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]]> By: Drew http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31864 Drew Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31864 #11 Mike said it all.......some of you guys are still missing the big picture.... Ya Hughes probably still loses, but Alves prob doesn't win in such convincing fashion had he had to push himself further like Matt to make weight...... #11 Mike said it all…….some of you guys are still missing the big picture…. Ya Hughes probably still loses, but Alves prob doesn’t win in such convincing fashion had he had to push himself further like Matt to make weight……

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31855 darkmetal Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:31:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31855 Sam, with all due respect, I am getting pretty sick of the "I know Miragliotta, and he is a hell of a guy, I am willing to go to bat for him." syndrome. Bad calls are bad calls, and when they come fast and furious in ways that even the average untrained fan can see they are the act of an incompetent or worse, someone who is corrupted, then it is time for a change in who is officiating these matches. Personally, I think Miragliotta has gone beyond the "3 strikes" rule and at the very least needs someone who is unbiased to pull him aside and have a talk with him. Personally, his credibility is shot for me, and I would be much happier that he find a new line of work. Perhaps this seems harsh, but the very status of MMA is at stake. We are seeing prime time news shows depicting all of MMA via the charade that was Elitexc/CBS, and it is giving hope to those who want it to end or be banned. Realise that one of the 2 Presidential candidates, John McCain, wanted to ban the UFC as a simple "blood sport"--and considering the Liberalism of Barack Obama, I am sure he would probably ALSO be on board to look "compassionate". We need to elevate the sport, quite frankly, or one day the foundation will crumble and send it back into the abyss it was not that long ago. Giragliotta is a big part of that problem. Sam, with all due respect, I am getting pretty sick of the “I know Miragliotta, and he is a hell of a guy, I am willing to go to bat for him.” syndrome.

Bad calls are bad calls, and when they come fast and furious in ways that even the average untrained fan can see they are the act of an incompetent or worse, someone who is corrupted, then it is time for a change in who is officiating these matches.

Personally, I think Miragliotta has gone beyond the “3 strikes” rule and at the very least needs someone who is unbiased to pull him aside and have a talk with him. Personally, his credibility is shot for me, and I would be much happier that he find a new line of work.

Perhaps this seems harsh, but the very status of MMA is at stake. We are seeing prime time news shows depicting all of MMA via the charade that was Elitexc/CBS, and it is giving hope to those who want it to end or be banned. Realise that one of the 2 Presidential candidates, John McCain, wanted to ban the UFC as a simple “blood sport”–and considering the Liberalism of Barack Obama, I am sure he would probably ALSO be on board to look “compassionate”.

We need to elevate the sport, quite frankly, or one day the foundation will crumble and send it back into the abyss it was not that long ago.

Giragliotta is a big part of that problem.

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31851 Zack Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:14:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31851 If you cobble together all the legit sources out there, Dana's announcement is NOT one of the following: 1) Mayweather, per Carmichael Dave and Cindy from UG 2) TV deal. In a radio interview he says it isn't a TV deal, it's something "leftfield" Given that, and in the context of changing "the next 5 years", I think we can also rule out Chuck vs Spider. This may still be part of the announcement, but not big enough. So what's left? A new equity partnership with a huge entity like ESPN? Going public? Selling? If you cobble together all the legit sources out there, Dana’s announcement is NOT one of the following:

1) Mayweather, per Carmichael Dave and Cindy from UG
2) TV deal. In a radio interview he says it isn’t a TV deal, it’s something “leftfield”

Given that, and in the context of changing “the next 5 years”, I think we can also rule out Chuck vs Spider. This may still be part of the announcement, but not big enough.

So what’s left? A new equity partnership with a huge entity like ESPN? Going public? Selling?

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31834 Sam Caplan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:21:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31834 DPK, thanks for speaking the truth. DPK, thanks for speaking the truth.

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]]> By: DPK http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31821 DPK Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:25:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31821 The people who don't think losing 4 pounds is a big deal, must never have competed in any event where weight cutting is a fact of life. 4 pounds when you are under 3-5% body fat is not easy, it sucks, and it drains your body fast when you haven't cut the weight right. If it was easy, I doubt Alves would have given up 10% of his purse by not losing it. He got the win, good job to him, it would have really killed him to lose that match after not making weight, but I think he needs to make weight at least once more and beat a top contender, before he can even think he is going to get a title shot. Honestly, if he made weight and beat Hughes I would be the first person saying he deserved the winner of GSP v Fitch, but he blew it, so he needs to prove himself not in the cage, but on the scales The people who don’t think losing 4 pounds is a big deal, must never have competed in any event where weight cutting is a fact of life. 4 pounds when you are under 3-5% body fat is not easy, it sucks, and it drains your body fast when you haven’t cut the weight right. If it was easy, I doubt Alves would have given up 10% of his purse by not losing it. He got the win, good job to him, it would have really killed him to lose that match after not making weight, but I think he needs to make weight at least once more and beat a top contender, before he can even think he is going to get a title shot. Honestly, if he made weight and beat Hughes I would be the first person saying he deserved the winner of GSP v Fitch, but he blew it, so he needs to prove himself not in the cage, but on the scales

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]]> By: Zack http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31790 Zack Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:21:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31790 Dana confirmed to Carmicahel Dave and Cindy that it is NOT going to be Mayweather. I've been seeing the Liddell/Spider rumor in the same places as the Mayweather rumor, so I'm thinking its not true either (though much more plausible). I'm guessing another sponsor or TV deal. Dana confirmed to Carmicahel Dave and Cindy that it is NOT going to be Mayweather. I’ve been seeing the Liddell/Spider rumor in the same places as the Mayweather rumor, so I’m thinking its not true either (though much more plausible).

I’m guessing another sponsor or TV deal.

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31787 Jye Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:47:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31787 A bit off-topic here, but I keep hearing a rumour that Dana's big news is gonna be Chuck v A Silva at UFC 88. Has anyone else heard about this??? I gotta say it does fit in considering we've been hearing consistent news about Silva going to 205 and also Chuck main-eventing at UFC 88. A bit off-topic here, but I keep hearing a rumour that Dana’s big news is gonna be Chuck v A Silva at UFC 88. Has anyone else heard about this??? I gotta say it does fit in considering we’ve been hearing consistent news about Silva going to 205 and also Chuck main-eventing at UFC 88.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-31784 Matt Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:26:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/08/should-alves-win-over-hughes-count-miragliotta-involved-in-controversy-for-second-week-in-a-row-possible-roster-cuts-and-other-ufc-85-thoughts/#comment-31784 Another solid card from Zuffa and hopefully it continues for the rest of the year. The TUF finale should be a better card then expected with so many Pink Slip matches, the fighters will have that extra incentive to win. Alves not making weight doesn't bother me just because the fight was signed on short notice. That is hardly an excuse but I'm sure the UFC had gotten notice in advance from ATT that Alves wasn't going to cut it. Also I don't believe that Alves is the number one contender. He has two fouls on his name for using diuretics and missing weight. Another solid card from Zuffa and hopefully it continues for the rest of the year.

The TUF finale should be a better card then expected with so many Pink Slip matches, the fighters will have that extra incentive to win.

Alves not making weight doesn’t bother me just because the fight was signed on short notice. That is hardly an excuse but I’m sure the UFC had gotten notice in advance from ATT that Alves wasn’t going to cut it.

Also I don’t believe that Alves is the number one contender. He has two fouls on his name for using diuretics and missing weight.

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