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	<title>Comments on: Fantasy Matchmaking 101: What EliteXC&#8217;s second CBS show should look like</title>
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		<title>By: Jackyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shields vs Fickett
Alvarez vs Noons(I&#039;m pretty confident Noons will beat Edwards)
Carano vs Bazler (I&#039;m assuming Larosa is contractually out of it)
Kimbo vs Rogers....maybe a rematch with Thompson but I think Rogers would make the better fight. Also, if they do good this time around I wouldn&#039;t expect them to protect Kimbo as their cash cow for much longer. At some point they are going to have to book his fights and if he loses, he loses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shields vs Fickett<br />
Alvarez vs Noons(I&#8217;m pretty confident Noons will beat Edwards)<br />
Carano vs Bazler (I&#8217;m assuming Larosa is contractually out of it)<br />
Kimbo vs Rogers&#8230;.maybe a rematch with Thompson but I think Rogers would make the better fight. Also, if they do good this time around I wouldn&#8217;t expect them to protect Kimbo as their cash cow for much longer. At some point they are going to have to book his fights and if he loses, he loses.
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		<title>By: Kogepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kogepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt they would want Kimbo on the card again.  Let him train another 3-4 months, then feed him to Rogers.

co-main event should be Shields versus....somebody

carano vs basler

depending on when the second card is help, definitely get Alvarez, especially if he wins or does well in the Dream LWGP finals.  Maybe Alvarez vs. Noons/Edwards winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt they would want Kimbo on the card again.  Let him train another 3-4 months, then feed him to Rogers.</p>
<p>co-main event should be Shields versus&#8230;.somebody</p>
<p>carano vs basler</p>
<p>depending on when the second card is help, definitely get Alvarez, especially if he wins or does well in the Dream LWGP finals.  Maybe Alvarez vs. Noons/Edwards winner.
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		<title>By: bjjdenver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjjdenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26, I would assume, they are going to run the mma 101 at the beginning of every show, at least for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26, I would assume, they are going to run the mma 101 at the beginning of every show, at least for awhile.
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		<title>By: AG Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>AG Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there would be room for one more fight as the first 30-40 minutes was a rundown of the card along with an intro video of MMA 101 with what to look for in an MMA bout.  Without the intro, they have room to showcase their rising star, Jake Shields.  

Also, I feel this card shouldn&#039;t be seen as a repeat of the previous CBS card.  Your proposed card has 6 of the 8 fighters coming back for some primetime love.  I&#039;d agree on the Smith/Lawler rematch to occur on CBS (as fans may have been cheated by not seeing that play out to it&#039;s conclusion the first time around).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there would be room for one more fight as the first 30-40 minutes was a rundown of the card along with an intro video of MMA 101 with what to look for in an MMA bout.  Without the intro, they have room to showcase their rising star, Jake Shields.  </p>
<p>Also, I feel this card shouldn&#8217;t be seen as a repeat of the previous CBS card.  Your proposed card has 6 of the 8 fighters coming back for some primetime love.  I&#8217;d agree on the Smith/Lawler rematch to occur on CBS (as fans may have been cheated by not seeing that play out to it&#8217;s conclusion the first time around).
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a horrible lineup. Half of your matches are matches that we&#039;ve already seen. Nobody gives a crap about who will &quot;really&quot; win a match between Kimbo and James Thompson. 

Sam, you&#039;ve lost touch with the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a horrible lineup. Half of your matches are matches that we&#8217;ve already seen. Nobody gives a crap about who will &#8220;really&#8221; win a match between Kimbo and James Thompson. </p>
<p>Sam, you&#8217;ve lost touch with the public.
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		<title>By: bjjdenver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjjdenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, I&#039;m sure they are flying all over the place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, I&#8217;m sure they are flying all over the place!
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
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		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think a pig just sailed by my window cause we AGREE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think a pig just sailed by my window cause we AGREE!
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		<title>By: bjjdenver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjjdenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Vera was done, he was out of it completely! :)

Agreed, and I think Vera made a great point about the ref checking the time. He was blocking most of the shots either completely or partially, so imo, that is defending yourself intelligently. I&#039;m also sure Werdum&#039;s mount is no place to be stuck and with more time, he would have finished Vera. That said, waiting out 10-15 seconds and taking minor damage seems much smarter than possibly exposing yourself to a top bjj guy by trying to desperately escape the mount.

And it is unfortunate for both guys. I think Vera would have eventually lost, but you never know with a good striker like him. And it sucks for Werdum to an extent, because he probably will get the next shot at the title after Mir, and many will remember him for the AA fight and this BS stoppage. Both guys deserved better, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Vera was done, he was out of it completely! <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Agreed, and I think Vera made a great point about the ref checking the time. He was blocking most of the shots either completely or partially, so imo, that is defending yourself intelligently. I&#8217;m also sure Werdum&#8217;s mount is no place to be stuck and with more time, he would have finished Vera. That said, waiting out 10-15 seconds and taking minor damage seems much smarter than possibly exposing yourself to a top bjj guy by trying to desperately escape the mount.</p>
<p>And it is unfortunate for both guys. I think Vera would have eventually lost, but you never know with a good striker like him. And it sucks for Werdum to an extent, because he probably will get the next shot at the title after Mir, and many will remember him for the AA fight and this BS stoppage. Both guys deserved better, imo.
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
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		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bjjdenver, imho it was early. :) vera was in trouble but he wasn&#039;t given enough chance to extricate himself, and werdum wasn&#039;t given enough chance to finish the fight in style. they both got robbed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bjjdenver, imho it was early. <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  vera was in trouble but he wasn&#8217;t given enough chance to extricate himself, and werdum wasn&#8217;t given enough chance to finish the fight in style. they both got robbed!
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		<title>By: bjjdenver</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjjdenver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HexRei, as much as I love arguing with you about the stoppage, I&#039;m surprisingly not going to today, lol. 

Stoppage not withstanding (someone just yelled it was a good one, lol), this fight wasn&#039;t close and an immediate rematch isn&#039;t needed.

I like Kaitlin&#039;s potential, let her go get some fights against girls her own size that make weight, then down the road, whatever she wants.

I do think rematches would be OK in the other to, but not because of the stoppages. Both fights were pretty close and interesting. Smith/Lawler is definitely up in the air and would make a great part 2. Kimbo/JT would be ok, because JT wants it and Kimbo needs to prove he is better, whether he is or not. Both guys are at a fairly comparable level right now, so a rematch wouldn&#039;t be bad.

Alright, I can&#039;t resist Hex, what did you think of the Vera/Werdum stoppage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HexRei, as much as I love arguing with you about the stoppage, I&#8217;m surprisingly not going to today, lol. </p>
<p>Stoppage not withstanding (someone just yelled it was a good one, lol), this fight wasn&#8217;t close and an immediate rematch isn&#8217;t needed.</p>
<p>I like Kaitlin&#8217;s potential, let her go get some fights against girls her own size that make weight, then down the road, whatever she wants.</p>
<p>I do think rematches would be OK in the other to, but not because of the stoppages. Both fights were pretty close and interesting. Smith/Lawler is definitely up in the air and would make a great part 2. Kimbo/JT would be ok, because JT wants it and Kimbo needs to prove he is better, whether he is or not. Both guys are at a fairly comparable level right now, so a rematch wouldn&#8217;t be bad.</p>
<p>Alright, I can&#8217;t resist Hex, what did you think of the Vera/Werdum stoppage?
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