Comments on: Fantasy Matchmaking 101: What EliteXC’s second CBS show should look like

By: Jackyl

Jackyl — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:18:10 +0000

Shields vs Fickett
Alvarez vs Noons(I’m pretty confident Noons will beat Edwards)
Carano vs Bazler (I’m assuming Larosa is contractually out of it)
Kimbo vs Rogers….maybe a rematch with Thompson but I think Rogers would make the better fight. Also, if they do good this time around I wouldn’t expect them to protect Kimbo as their cash cow for much longer. At some point they are going to have to book his fights and if he loses, he loses.

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By: Kogepan

Kogepan — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:38:39 +0000

I doubt they would want Kimbo on the card again. Let him train another 3-4 months, then feed him to Rogers.

co-main event should be Shields versus….somebody

carano vs basler

depending on when the second card is help, definitely get Alvarez, especially if he wins or does well in the Dream LWGP finals. Maybe Alvarez vs. Noons/Edwards winner.

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:36:42 +0000

#26, I would assume, they are going to run the mma 101 at the beginning of every show, at least for awhile.

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By: AG Silver

AG Silver — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:38:01 +0000

I think there would be room for one more fight as the first 30-40 minutes was a rundown of the card along with an intro video of MMA 101 with what to look for in an MMA bout. Without the intro, they have room to showcase their rising star, Jake Shields.

Also, I feel this card shouldn’t be seen as a repeat of the previous CBS card. Your proposed card has 6 of the 8 fighters coming back for some primetime love. I’d agree on the Smith/Lawler rematch to occur on CBS (as fans may have been cheated by not seeing that play out to it’s conclusion the first time around).

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By: Eric

Eric — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:40:47 +0000

That’s a horrible lineup. Half of your matches are matches that we’ve already seen. Nobody gives a crap about who will “really” win a match between Kimbo and James Thompson.

Sam, you’ve lost touch with the public.

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:39:38 +0000

lol, I’m sure they are flying all over the place!

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:38:06 +0000

i think a pig just sailed by my window cause we AGREE!

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:29:36 +0000

No Vera was done, he was out of it completely!

Agreed, and I think Vera made a great point about the ref checking the time. He was blocking most of the shots either completely or partially, so imo, that is defending yourself intelligently. I’m also sure Werdum’s mount is no place to be stuck and with more time, he would have finished Vera. That said, waiting out 10-15 seconds and taking minor damage seems much smarter than possibly exposing yourself to a top bjj guy by trying to desperately escape the mount.

And it is unfortunate for both guys. I think Vera would have eventually lost, but you never know with a good striker like him. And it sucks for Werdum to an extent, because he probably will get the next shot at the title after Mir, and many will remember him for the AA fight and this BS stoppage. Both guys deserved better, imo.

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:17:50 +0000

bjjdenver, imho it was early. vera was in trouble but he wasn’t given enough chance to extricate himself, and werdum wasn’t given enough chance to finish the fight in style. they both got robbed!

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:03:40 +0000

HexRei, as much as I love arguing with you about the stoppage, I’m surprisingly not going to today, lol.

Stoppage not withstanding (someone just yelled it was a good one, lol), this fight wasn’t close and an immediate rematch isn’t needed.

I like Kaitlin’s potential, let her go get some fights against girls her own size that make weight, then down the road, whatever she wants.

I do think rematches would be OK in the other to, but not because of the stoppages. Both fights were pretty close and interesting. Smith/Lawler is definitely up in the air and would make a great part 2. Kimbo/JT would be ok, because JT wants it and Kimbo needs to prove he is better, whether he is or not. Both guys are at a fairly comparable level right now, so a rematch wouldn’t be bad.

Alright, I can’t resist Hex, what did you think of the Vera/Werdum stoppage?

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:45:43 +0000

@#17 Ooh, its bjjdenver back again.

I have to disagree, out of the three bad stoppages I think Young’s was probably the worst. As mentioned elsewhere, Smith was still having vision problems in the lockerroom later and Thompson’s was stopped because the ref thought he was out on his feet.
Young’s, however, was stopped between rounds over suspicion of a broken bone that turned out not to be broken. The doctor had no other reason to stop the fight, and the only reason she had turned out to be bogus. Kaitlyn wanted and deserved another round to prove herself. It’s not her fault the doctor was implementing a double standard for fighters of different genders.

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By: smoogleton

smoogleton — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:21:08 +0000

The first show grew its audience every half hour, why would they want to shorten the second one? If anything I’d bet it gets expanded to a 2.5 or 3 hour timeslot

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:37:36 +0000

Yes, I could see a Kimbo/JT rematch down the road, and the Smith/Lawler one is obvious as a headliner, but just put them on different cards.

Sorry, but there is absolutely no need for a Gina/Kaitlin rematch. Just time to move on.

I know EXCBS is stacked with sluggers for the ratings, but i can’t help but think the real action would be some good lightweights going freaking non-stop.

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By: eazye

eazye — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:28:43 +0000

I don’t know about this one … a viewer who saw the first one that sees this would say “Didn’t I just watch that?” and probably not tune in

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By: bjjdenver

bjjdenver — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:40:09 +0000

Gina vs Butterbean

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By: Heatwaves

Heatwaves — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:20:16 +0000

I have no interest in seeing a Thompson/Kimbo rematch. As questionable stoppages go, it was far less egregious than other fights we’ve seen.

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By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:12:20 +0000

So basically the same card all over again? No way

If they want to put on a real MMA card they would have to have:

Lawler/Smith-Main event
Noons/Edwards winner vs Alvarez-co-main event
Nick Diaz vs whoever(be awesome if shields but they’re from the same place so that wouldn’t happen) but just as long as one of them are on the card
Kimbo/Rogers
Carano/baszler

The sad thing is the only way they would keep me interested is to have Diaz or Shields on every card.

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By: mo

mo — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:03:24 +0000

I think you need Diaz and Alvarez on the card. The Rogers and Silva fight would be good for the Showtime fights because i think the casual MMA fan wants the exciting fights, which i am not sure Silva brings as much as Diaz and Alvarez. And having Daiz vs. Daley is a great call, and Alvarez vs. Edwards/Noons would be great as well. good call #2

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By: Fabricio

Fabricio — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:01:01 +0000

Yep they can do 5 fights easy, and I think Shield and Fickett would be the fight

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By: Zach

Zach — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:37:14 +0000

If they do this it will seem like CBS wants a do over from a bad showing last time. If they want to be successful they need to take a confident step foward. I would do rogers v. Kimbo, and have shields on the card, as well as nick diaz, the only rematch worth doing is the midlewieght title fight, let the Elite XC should let the thompson/kimbo fight fade away and let rogers and kimbo go at it. Kimbo may lose, but it would atleast be exciting. And most importantly they need to put some focus on Rob and Big from the MTV show that are in Rogers’ corner, they are hillarious and would make the event more entertaining.

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